Are the people who enjoy this the same as those who dislike GT? (edit: I guess this is a canon thread now)
Reply to Irshiki
FuncDoc said:
I love GT. The black star saga is a fantastic nod to Dragon Ball of old with its fun, discovery, and exploration. Despite my boy Vegeta not being utilized in that arc, his role in Baby’s Tuffle revenge saga was hard and impactful. I think the shadow dragon arc was an appropriate ending focusing on the balls themselves, overuse, and the heroes’ personal connection to them. I’m also a Pan stan. So all this means is I will defend GT until the day I die… even Super 17 if I have to lol
Daima is fine. I’m definitely more excited about a direction inspired by Dragon Ball over one inspired by Super. But I am curious about its reception compared to GT. Much of the early criticism I remember is that GT was the “Goku show” and it left other beloved characters by the wayside. So far, Daima is the Goku show featuring Supreme Kai (pretty far from being a core character) and a host of brand new faces. At least GT had Goku’s granddaughter and Toriyama’s favorite son.
So I want to know if the perception of GT is shifting next to the new context of Daima or if it’s still getting dunked on despite the beginning of Daima being a really long iteration on Imecka.
I love GT. The black star saga is a fantastic nod to Dragon Ball of old with its fun, discovery, and exploration. Despite my boy Vegeta not being utilized in that arc, his role in Baby’s Tuffle revenge saga was hard and impactful. I think the shadow dragon arc was an appropriate ending focusing on the balls themselves, overuse, and the heroes’ personal connection to them. I’m also a Pan stan. So all this means is I will defend GT until the day I die… even Super 17 if I have to lol
Daima is fine. I’m definitely more excited about a direction inspired by Dragon Ball over one inspired by Super. But I am curious about its reception compared to GT. Much of the early criticism I remember is that GT was the “Goku show” and it left other beloved characters by the wayside. So far, Daima is the Goku show featuring Supreme Kai (pretty far from being a core character) and a host of brand new faces. At least GT had Goku’s granddaughter and Toriyama’s favorite son.
So I want to know if the perception of GT is shifting next to the new context of Daima or if it’s still getting dunked on despite the beginning of Daima being a really long iteration on Imecka.
Yes, you can say everything you want, but GT never took place in the story
| @Irshiki Dragon Ball is a franchise with multiple series, people view all the series equally in the story normally, the Original, Z, GT, Super, Heroes and Daima, they do not really know or care what someone on the internet considers as in the story or canon or not canon, those are shematics that dont mean anything to the majority, its pointless to argue for that when it comes to a franchise like that GT is the official 3rd series of Dragon Ball, after the Original and Z, nothing can ever change that, Super is the 4th series, Heroes the 5th series and finally Daima the 6th series, and virtually all of the official marketing material count all of the mequally as parts of the franchise And regarding the chronology, GT will always be placed directly after the end of Z as there is no other series that continues from there, whether its alternative timeline or not, it continues off directly after the tournament where Goku and Uub go to train together |
ElfezenNov 16, 2024 8:14 AM
Reply to Irshiki
Elfezen said:
@Irshiki Dragon Ball is a franchise with multiple series, people view all the series equally in the story normally, the Original, Z, GT, Super, Heroes and Daima, they do not really know or care what someone on the internet considers as in the story or canon or not canon, those are shematics that dont mean anything to the majority, its pointless to argue for that when it comes to a franchise like that
GT is the official 3rd series of Dragon Ball, after the Original and Z, nothing can ever change that, Super is the 4th series, Heroes the 5th series and finally Daima the 6th series, and virtually all of the official marketing material count all of the mequally as parts of the franchise
And regarding the chronology, GT will always be placed directly after the end of Z as there is no other series that continues from there, whether its alternative timeline or not, it continues off directly after the tournament where Goku and Uub go to train together
@Irshiki Dragon Ball is a franchise with multiple series, people view all the series equally in the story normally, the Original, Z, GT, Super, Heroes and Daima, they do not really know or care what someone on the internet considers as in the story or canon or not canon, those are shematics that dont mean anything to the majority, its pointless to argue for that when it comes to a franchise like that
GT is the official 3rd series of Dragon Ball, after the Original and Z, nothing can ever change that, Super is the 4th series, Heroes the 5th series and finally Daima the 6th series, and virtually all of the official marketing material count all of the mequally as parts of the franchise
And regarding the chronology, GT will always be placed directly after the end of Z as there is no other series that continues from there, whether its alternative timeline or not, it continues off directly after the tournament where Goku and Uub go to train together
I'm not the one who claims that GT is not continuity. Toriyama did it (from what I know the author is the one that decides this things, even though it wasn't involved in GT production) and the staff of Toei and the people of Dragon Ball Room also said "yeah it is an official series but you know, it's a what if story that could have happend". I didn't said that GT isn't an official product, I said that the Dragon Ball GT is garbage to me and the continuity is Dragon Ball -> Dragon Ball Daima -> Dragon Ball Super -> Dragon Super Broly -> Dragon Ball Super Super Hero, and after that there is nothing for now, the story still end with Son Goku starting his journey to train Uub.
That's it, you can watch GT if you want, you can spend your days complaining that GT is better than Super or Daima, the fact is the same Super and Daima are the follow up series of Dragon Ball, GT isn't.
I'm not even talking about Super Dragon Heroes since saying something about it would be a joke to Dragon Ball and the work of Akira Toriyama.
| @Irshiki I didn't say that its continuity to the main story, i just said that the general audience has no idea or does not care about that stuff, for franchises like DC or Marvel or Dragon Ball or Star Wars or Lord of the Rings etc it does not matter what is "continuity" and what is not as they are large franchises with multiple series that each one adds to it, and do not depend on a single person as authorship, its futile to argue about those things as they dont mean anything in the general audience GT is an officialy licensed series of Dragon Ball just like Z and Super and the rest, trying to make sense what is continuity and what not is pointless especially nowadays when so many different series and branches of Dragon Ball exist, and theres contradictions in every series so far (including massive ones in Daima), |
ElfezenNov 16, 2024 9:06 AM
Reply to Irshiki
Elfezen said:
@Irshiki I didn't say that its continuity to the main story, i just said that the general audience has no idea or does not care about that stuff, for franchises like DC or Marvel or Dragon Ball or Star Wars or Lord of the Rings etc it does not matter what is "continuity" and what is not as they are large franchises with multiple series that each one adds to it, and do not depend on a single person as authorship, its futile to argue about those things as they dont mean anything in the general audience
GT is an officialy licensed series of Dragon Ball just like Z and Super and the rest, trying to make sense what is continuity and what not is pointless especially nowadays when so many different series and branches of Dragon Ball exist, and theres contradictions in every series so far (including massive ones in Daima),
@Irshiki I didn't say that its continuity to the main story, i just said that the general audience has no idea or does not care about that stuff, for franchises like DC or Marvel or Dragon Ball or Star Wars or Lord of the Rings etc it does not matter what is "continuity" and what is not as they are large franchises with multiple series that each one adds to it, and do not depend on a single person as authorship, its futile to argue about those things as they dont mean anything in the general audience
GT is an officialy licensed series of Dragon Ball just like Z and Super and the rest, trying to make sense what is continuity and what not is pointless especially nowadays when so many different series and branches of Dragon Ball exist, and theres contradictions in every series so far (including massive ones in Daima),
You don't have to try to make sense of the continuity, it's there it exist. GT was once se follow up of Dragon Ball, then it came out people started to complain about it, the years passed and the people that had it licenced decided that it had nothing to with Dragon Ball. If tomorrow Capsule Corporation Tokyo and Shueisha decide to make another series and Super is in the way they can tell that it's not part of the series anymore.
Plus, now know concepts like continuity, back then when GT came out people didn't knew. Nowadays people know that GT has nothing to do with Dragon Ball.
| @Irshiki GT is still an officialy licensed part of Dragon Ball, it is literally everywhere, in videogames, merchandise, and virtually all media related to the franchise, it didn't go anywhere neither did the company say it doesnt belong or anything (thats pretty much impossible to happen, can't erase its existense), same as Heroes which is also big part of the franchise too, the only people that complain GT is "non-canon" or that stuff is a small group on the internet, mostly in early 2010s, the general audience doesnt care about that stuff, and doesnt even know what is canon and what not, those are "nerd" terms and to that extent Dragon Ball Evolution is also an official part of Dragon Ball, no matter how much some people dislike it, on top of that its the only official live action content that Dragon Ball has, placing it pretty much above the anime and the manga as well to the mainstream |
ElfezenNov 16, 2024 10:01 AM
TheRealRouges said: Both are watchable filler and not much more than that, nothing crazy about it. GT got the goofy nostalgia factor, Daima got the “it’s the last project of Toriyama factor”. Both are part of a franchise which lost it meaning half through the Z story You can’t call something canon “filler”. That literally makes no sense and you can’t even argue that it does lmao. |
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| Huh? I admittedly haven't seen Daima (though I intend to once it's finished airing or at least mostly finished airing), but I would think it's the other way around since GT does the same thing in making Goku into a kid and returning more to the adventurous roots of the OG. It's Z fans that tend to hate GT and fellate Super from what I can see, while people who prefer the OG tend to dislike Super and prefer GT. I'd assume anyone who liked GT would probably like Daima as well. |
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DillanSmokes said:
You can’t call something canon “filler”. That literally makes no sense and you can’t even argue that it does lmao.
TheRealRouges said:
Both are watchable filler and not much more than that, nothing crazy about it. GT got the goofy nostalgia factor, Daima got the “it’s the last project of Toriyama factor”. Both are part of a franchise which lost it meaning half through the Z story
Both are watchable filler and not much more than that, nothing crazy about it. GT got the goofy nostalgia factor, Daima got the “it’s the last project of Toriyama factor”. Both are part of a franchise which lost it meaning half through the Z story
You can’t call something canon “filler”. That literally makes no sense and you can’t even argue that it does lmao.
GT was decanonized and we still don’t know if Daima will be considered canon, already how Goku acts shows that he is not the “real” Goku, show’s writing is laughable.
Do not take any word literally lmao, canon or not it really has the feel of a filler side story, so quit the whining
| @TheRealRouges GT was never canon in the first place, it wasn't "decanonized". Super isn't canon either because it's two separate branching storylines in the anime and manga. Obviously, two different series of events can't co-exist in one timeline. Nothing besides the original manga & the parts of it that the Z, Kai and the OG adapt are canon. |
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TheRealRouges said: H_DANILO said: @TheRealRouges Why is the canon not canon thing important? Are you enjoying? No? Stop watching. Are you enjoying? Yes? Watch. This whole discussion is dumb btw, and there's not a single dime of evidence that Daima is not canon, everything is matching exactly how Goku plays out in DB and DBZ. What you are trying to do is called No True Scotsman, you can't dictate what one thing is, you can only accept it for yourself on the bottom of your heart. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman Also you don't have authority to say what goku would do, and definitely no more authenticity than the real, actual writer, that did the whole DB series. So yeah, pretty dumb args and discussion. Ok incel, I’ll do whatever I want, thank you. If you really think that Toriyama had real influence on this project you’re just coping. Peace Look at the guy that told me not to take words “literally” calling people incels LMAO |
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@maythews
maythews said:
I'd assume anyone who liked GT would probably like Daima as well
This is what I expected, but was curious if it would work both ways. I've only gotten a few answers from others so far, but personally it feels like GT validation or recognition at the very least. I'm not saying the hate is going anywhere, but the connected dots between Daima and GT are there. Everyone can see it. Whether it's done "better" is the real question. We'll see in the coming weeks how the reception is.I'd assume anyone who liked GT would probably like Daima as well
| @FuncDoc Yeah, I guess I was more confused by some of the replies more than anything. I'm with you for the most part. GT is overhated because in the West, kids watched Z without ever seeing the original show so when GT came on they were upset and disappointed that it wasn't pure battle shounen like Z was. Causing irrational emotional responses that carried over into adulthood. Don't get me wrong, the show certainly had it's flaws and wasted a lot of great conceptual potential but the virulent hatred you see online is often stemming from feelings of childhood disappointment. It will be very interesting to see if people praise Daima while in the same breath criticizing GT for doing the same things as each other. |
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| Pretty much. There's the Z Camp and then the camp that hated everything that came after.....rightfully so. Daima is more like original Dragonball, but not that good, and almost a completely different thing. |
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| Yea ima be real, Daima has a lot of ground to cover if it’s going to be as good as GT to me. It’s been fairly boring. It looks great just isn’t exciting. GT had obvious flaws but some very good moments and cool ass fights. You are right OP the same criticisms that GT has gotten forever apply to Daima and tbh even more so |
| All I can say is that people who have hated on GT for years for specific themes or tropes present in the series, but praise Daima for what they didn't like about GT, should consider thinking a little over the consistency of their taste, lol. It's ridiculous to see people seething over certain GT elements, but being amazed by the same stuff used in Daima. xD GT has its flaws and in my opinion Daima is a better anime, however, it is weird and hypocritical to praise obvious references to GT only to then bash GT itself for... having those elements. What changed? How stuff like "awful concept of kid Goku that destroys his character development" is no more a problem, even though arguably Goku acts more like an actual kid in Daima than he did in GT? Maybe some people just changed their mind after all those years, lol. FuncDoc said: Maybe more people will start seeing pros of GT. It was not a perfect anime, but it had its moments. I consider Daima as "GT v2.0", or "GT, but with less episodes and taking place in the Demon Realm". A fine mix of high quality anime, GT themes and tropes, and that feeling of adventure known from the original series.So I want to know if the perception of GT is shifting next to the new context of Daima or if it’s still getting dunked on despite the beginning of Daima being a really long iteration on Imecka. |
AdnashFeb 14, 2:29 AM
Yes, these people are literally the meme |
| this is the reason why I avoid talking to any dragon ball fan |
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Reply to -Hermit-
Yes, these people are literally the meme
| @-Hermit- Hah, I was thinking about this meme every time I read comments about moments from GT that appeared in some form in Daima, and I saw a lot of overly positive comments, sometimes mentioning "this is how GT should look like" out of nowhere. Suddenly, the same elements, sometimes done worse, sometimes done better in Daima, are now considered a masterpiece by people who, apparently, have hated them for years for their presence in GT. xD As someone who somewhat enjoyed GT and who enjoys watching Daima, that kind of reactions I mentioned earlier can't be seen in a different way as pure hypocrisy or just clownery of some sort. |
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Adnash said:
@-Hermit- Hah, I was thinking about this meme every time I read comments about moments from GT that appeared in some form in Daima, and I saw a lot of overly positive comments, sometimes mentioning "this is how GT should look like" out of nowhere. Suddenly, the same elements, sometimes done worse, sometimes done better in Daima, are now considered a masterpiece by people who, apparently, have hated them for years for their presence in GT. xD As someone who somewhat enjoyed GT and who enjoys watching Daima, that kind of reactions I mentioned earlier can't be seen in a different way as pure hypocrisy or just clownery of some sort.
@-Hermit- Hah, I was thinking about this meme every time I read comments about moments from GT that appeared in some form in Daima, and I saw a lot of overly positive comments, sometimes mentioning "this is how GT should look like" out of nowhere. Suddenly, the same elements, sometimes done worse, sometimes done better in Daima, are now considered a masterpiece by people who, apparently, have hated them for years for their presence in GT. xD As someone who somewhat enjoyed GT and who enjoys watching Daima, that kind of reactions I mentioned earlier can't be seen in a different way as pure hypocrisy or just clownery of some sort.
And the dudes that hate GT and Daima that also likes Super and will say it doesnt make any sense like DB make any sense post-Z lol
Daima and SSJ4 is canon where yall like or not yall cant do anything about it because it actually written and made by the author himself
People will hate that Toriyama did not make even it made sense but they will like Toriyama did even it dont make anysense because I like everything DB canon or not I will watch and love it
make up your damn minds yall the one who dont make anysense.
| @dxtremecaliber I don't like Super or Daima and thought GT had good ideas that were terribly executed. Almost nothing from Dragon Ball has been good for over a decade at this point. It's just a bunch of rehashing, retconning, and playing on peoples nostalgia. The only reason Dragon Ball is still going is money. Toriyama's final decade of work when it comes to this franchise has been 100% about milking the fans, copying other people's work and rehashing his own. |
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