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Aug 3, 2:33 PM
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I want to love this show, but Yorishige is beyond annoying. Anyway, I opened this forum mostly because I was inquiring whether the anime is historically accurate. Is this all made up? Aside from the timeline of major events.

Final question, do you feel that if they removed the nonchalant tones and focused on the serious and heavy tones of the story would it do better? I believe it would elevate this story by a lot.

Edit: Got his name wrong lmao.

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_Lyborick_Aug 3, 3:40 PM
Aug 3, 2:53 PM
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whos yoshigure ๐Ÿ’€
Aug 3, 2:54 PM
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i like him hes reminds me of shigure from fruits basket
Aug 3, 2:59 PM
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I'm not sure who you are talking about, but so far there is no annoying character.
Aug 3, 3:13 PM
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I think you wanted to say “Yorishige Suwa”, not “Yoshigure”. The second name does not exist and it is not correct.

“Piartha (correct me if I am wrong) was an ancient kingdom from the Middle East. They used backfiring-aiming technique to defeat Rome’s army, the strongest army from those days”. Left with no other options or resources, Rome’s army lost their energy and they were defeated. I heard this historical information for the first time and I think it’s right, but I do not know if is completely true. A simply search on Google may clarify it.

About Yorishige Suwa, yes, he is kind of annoying person, but as a leader of Suwa, he’s doing well and has great strategies (except the one when he put Tokiyuki to steal Emperor’s Imperial Command from Sadamune’s residence๐Ÿ˜…). Thanks to him, Tokiyuki did not die in that invasion in Kamakura started by Takauji and now he is able to take Kamakura back.
Aug 3, 3:15 PM
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Are you talking about Yorishige? I don't feel him as annoying... bit crazy, yes :-)
It is based on the historical figure of Hลjล Tokiyuki, yes, but I doubt that everything happened exactly this way ;-)
Aug 3, 3:15 PM
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I agree. I wanted to enjoy this more, but I find it hard to care about much besides the super strong production.
Aug 3, 3:31 PM
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whos yoshigure ๐Ÿ’€
@Mr_Sai I meant yorishige. Sorry my memory served me wrong.
Aug 3, 3:43 PM
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_Lyborick_ said:
I want to love this show, but Yorishige is beyond annoying. Anyway, I opened this forum mostly because I was inquiring whether the anime is historically accurate. Is this all made up? Aside from the timeline of major events.

Final question, do you feel that if they removed the nonchalant tones and focused on the serious and heavy tones of the story would it do better? I believe it would elevate this story by a lot.

Edit: Got his name wrong lmao.

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Can i just say this? Shuuuuuut uuuuuuuuuuuuuup
Aug 3, 6:14 PM

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_Lyborick_ said:
I want to love this show, but Yorishige is beyond annoying. Anyway, I opened this forum mostly because I was inquiring whether the anime is historically accurate. Is this all made up? Aside from the timeline of major events.

Final question, do you feel that if they removed the nonchalant tones and focused on the serious and heavy tones of the story would it do better? I believe it would elevate this story by a lot.

Edit: Got his name wrong lmao.

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Can i just say this? Shuuuuuut uuuuuuuuuuuuuup
@PunGood020 You can :)
Aug 3, 8:14 PM

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PunGood020 said:
_Lyborick_ said:
I want to love this show, but Yorishige is beyond annoying. Anyway, I opened this forum mostly because I was inquiring whether the anime is historically accurate. Is this all made up? Aside from the timeline of major events.

Final question, do you feel that if they removed the nonchalant tones and focused on the serious and heavy tones of the story would it do better? I believe it would elevate this story by a lot.

Edit: Got his name wrong lmao.

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Can i just say this? Shuuuuuut uuuuuuuuuuuuuup

why are some people on this site consistently like this? Unable to take criticism or talk about anything that goes against their views or feelings. Almost every discussion I've visited that has even an ounce of dissatisfaction with anything in the anime always has one or two people saying "shut up". Trying to silence any discontent without even attempting to discuss.
Aug 3, 8:17 PM

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don't know, what are you talking about. yet now I don't found anyone annoying


Aug 3, 9:06 PM
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actually it is historically accurate mostly. the important characters did exist, yes, in history it was more tense and brutal but its mostly accurate and yes our protag was for sure good at running away.
anyway, I think usually a show with this plot is grim and very heavily toned, but I feel this is what sets thi mshsoq apart. its a revenge plot and yet it's colorful, sometimes bizarre and so on. I think this kinda makes this unique. and honestly iv been loving it. it's a go and a fresh touch from usual revenge plot animes.
Aug 3, 10:29 PM

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This is a Shounen Anime so you have to digest the random comedy moments
If you want to reply to my posts, come up with valid arguments instead of ad hominem HIGHER LEVEL THINKERS ONLY
Aug 3, 10:43 PM

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i like him hes reminds me of shigure from fruits basket
@JigglypuffSenpai

And they share the same seiyuu
Aug 4, 1:18 AM
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_Lyborick_ said:
I want to love this show, but Yorishige is beyond annoying. Anyway, I opened this forum mostly because I was inquiring whether the anime is historically accurate. Is this all made up? Aside from the timeline of major events.

Final question, do you feel that if they removed the nonchalant tones and focused on the serious and heavy tones of the story would it do better? I believe it would elevate this story by a lot.

Edit: Got his name wrong lmao.

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So, you want to make a comedy show a drama instead? Then why are you watching a comedy at all?
Aug 4, 2:23 AM
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Stop watching then. If you want to bitch about the show, then at least learn the name of the character you supposedly hate so much lol
Aug 4, 4:04 AM
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Tuyo said:
PunGood020 said:

Can i just say this? Shuuuuuut uuuuuuuuuuuuuup

why are some people on this site consistently like this? Unable to take criticism or talk about anything that goes against their views or feelings. Almost every discussion I've visited that has even an ounce of dissatisfaction with anything in the anime always has one or two people saying "shut up". Trying to silence any discontent without even attempting to discuss.

Why are you trying to go further than it needs to go? it was a shit take, if it doesnt belong there it doesnt need to be said, as simple as that.
Aug 4, 5:33 AM

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facts, him and the annoying eyeball guy are both ruining this show.
Aug 4, 7:04 AM

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PunGood020 said:
Tuyo said:

why are some people on this site consistently like this? Unable to take criticism or talk about anything that goes against their views or feelings. Almost every discussion I've visited that has even an ounce of dissatisfaction with anything in the anime always has one or two people saying "shut up". Trying to silence any discontent without even attempting to discuss.

Why are you trying to go further than it needs to go? it was a shit take, if it doesnt belong there it doesnt need to be said, as simple as that.

Get off your high horse. Who are you to decide what belongs and what doesn't? I think you have the most shit take so shut up and leave. See how bullshit it is?
Aug 4, 7:09 AM

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I understand why you are not a fan of him. But again, it's not like you can't just stop watching the anime.
I find him annoying too, but try think about it. Tokiyuki just lost his whole family, his home and safety. Yorishige might be a dork, but he is keeping the child safe and think about his life as a child, as well as a future leader. Tokiyuki needs some light around him after such an experience. Yorishige is also really lucky to see the future. He knows what to do to keep our protagonist safe and out of serious harm. You might see a really nice side of him in the next episode when Tokiyuki returns from Sadamune's mansion. <3

Edit: Most people in the series are real people ^^ It's also historical accurate when it comes to serious stuff~
KuroCielAug 4, 7:16 AM
Life is too short for looking at the past. Enjoy your 'now' and just prepare a bit for the future~
Aug 4, 9:09 AM
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Tuyo said:
PunGood020 said:

Why are you trying to go further than it needs to go? it was a shit take, if it doesnt belong there it doesnt need to be said, as simple as that.

Get off your high horse. Who are you to decide what belongs and what doesn't? I think you have the most shit take so shut up and leave. See how bullshit it is?

Shut the hell up dude ๐Ÿ˜‚ you are not to talk here, disgusting how vile you think you can be when its not your thread.
Aug 4, 12:39 PM

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it's probably meant as a fun learning as well. japan cares about their cultural value enough to do historical stuff.
Aug 5, 4:33 AM

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PunGood020 said:
Tuyo said:

Get off your high horse. Who are you to decide what belongs and what doesn't? I think you have the most shit take so shut up and leave. See how bullshit it is?

Shut the hell up dude ๐Ÿ˜‚ you are not to talk here, disgusting how vile you think you can be when its not your thread.

Vile? Already name calling and personal attacks? You resort to telling others to zip it because you can't handle someone having different views, you hastily label anyone that calls you out as vile because you're afraid of not being right, you accuse me of acting out of line despite it not being my thread yet here you are telling the OP to shut up and somehow I'm the vile one. Laughable how you don't realise your own words reflect your actions.

You are acting insecure, hypocritical and inflated with an ego as fragile as a snowflake.
TuyoAug 5, 5:55 AM
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Tuyo said:
PunGood020 said:

Shut the hell up dude ๐Ÿ˜‚ you are not to talk here, disgusting how vile you think you can be when its not your thread.

Vile? Already name calling and personal attacks? You resort to telling others to zip it because you can't handle someone having different views, you hastily label anyone that calls you out as vile because you're afraid of not being right, you accuse me of acting out of line despite it not being my thread yet here you are telling the OP to shut up and somehow I'm the vile one. Laughable how you don't realise your own words reflect your actions.

You are acting insecure, hypocritical and inflated with an ego as fragile as a snowflake.

I see, so you are a dumbass who cant keep his mouth shut when its not important to talk back huh? stop talking for once and dont let it go to your head, this is none of your concern and none of your Business, i spoke my mind, so i only said what everyone basically thought, so gtfo your high horse and try to learn some manners first before you try to justify what isnt yours.

Also you should not instigate fights that you cant win.
Aug 5, 10:01 AM

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PunGood020 said:
Tuyo said:

Vile? Already name calling and personal attacks? You resort to telling others to zip it because you can't handle someone having different views, you hastily label anyone that calls you out as vile because you're afraid of not being right, you accuse me of acting out of line despite it not being my thread yet here you are telling the OP to shut up and somehow I'm the vile one. Laughable how you don't realise your own words reflect your actions.

You are acting insecure, hypocritical and inflated with an ego as fragile as a snowflake.

I see, so you are a dumbass who cant keep his mouth shut when its not important to talk back huh? stop talking for once and dont let it go to your head, this is none of your concern and none of your Business, i spoke my mind, so i only said what everyone basically thought, so gtfo your high horse and try to learn some manners first before you try to justify what isnt yours.

Also you should not instigate fights that you cant win.

"Also you should not instigate fights that you can't win"

fight? Is that what you think this is? Middle school surface level thinking where you see everything as a fight that you have to win in order to prove your worth. No wonder you are so eager and quick to throw insults and adopt such a defensive attitude.

So based on what you said, do you only start fights that you can win? Cause you can't handle it when someone fights back and you think you might lose? Needless to say, you reek of insecurity.



"Stop talking for once and don't let it go to your head" "This is none of your concern and none of your business, I spoke my mind"

Ironic that you would say this to try and justify what you say yet continue trying to silence me. I also only spoke my mind so what's your point? Notice how my first comment wasn't even directed at you yet you decided to take offense to it and responded. To put it plainly, your hypocritical nature is only rearing more of its ugly head.

So in your own words, stop talking for once and don't let it go to your head. This is none of your concern and none of your business, I spoke my mind.



"So I only said what everyone basically thought"

Now this is just the next level of narcissism. Completely untrue and delusional, even if you try to backpedal by using "basically".



"So gtfo your high horse and try to learn some manners first before you try to justify what isn't yours."

It's honestly incredible you can say this with a straight face. Firstly, it doesn't even make sense. When have I tried to justify what isn't mine? I implore you to point it out.

Secondly, I have only been replying with the same amount of manners you are dishing out so if you can't take the heat, stop playing with fire.



"Stop talking for once and don't let it go to your head."

You haven't tried to retort anything I said and continue to put your fragile ego on display by continuing to throw insults and spew nonsense, all while trying to take the high road with stuff like "why are you trying to go further than it needs to go" yet you were the one who initiated with hostility. If you don't want someone to challenge you, don't post on a public discussion where people are allowed to voice their opinions.


On a final note, Listen. To. Your. Own. Advice.
TuyoAug 5, 10:52 AM
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Tuyo said:
PunGood020 said:

Shut the hell up dude ๐Ÿ˜‚ you are not to talk here, disgusting how vile you think you can be when its not your thread.

Vile? Already name calling and personal attacks? You resort to telling others to zip it because you can't handle someone having different views, you hastily label anyone that calls you out as vile because you're afraid of not being right, you accuse me of acting out of line despite it not being my thread yet here you are telling the OP to shut up and somehow I'm the vile one. Laughable how you don't realise your own words reflect your actions.

You are acting insecure, hypocritical and inflated with an ego as fragile as a snowflake.

I see, so you are a dumbass who cant keep his mouth shut when its not important to talk back huh? stop talking for once and dont let it go to your head, this is none of your concern and none of your Business, i spoke my mind, so i only said what everyone basically thought, so gtfo your high horse and try to learn some manners first before you try to justify what isnt yours.

Also you should not instigate fights that you cant win.
Both of you please stop. I appreciate you @Tuyo for standing up for me; however, I don't my forum to be derailed by these one-off remarks both of you are making. In life, there are always people who whine and kvetch all day long, and you just have to ignore them. It random ass person on the internet so don't get worked up. Send a one-off snarky remark and that's all you need. Still, thank you for trying.

As for @PunGood020, I want you to realize how ironic and hypocritical you are when you are stating "don't let it go to your head." Seeing as you had to reply to them furiously, it got to your head as well. You are no more morally correct than Tuyo in this situation. Nor am I with my reply to your comments. But if you want to sound as if you are morally in the right and to win the fight say it with logic, not with fallacies & character assassinations.

I hope you don't reply or if you need to speak your thoughts out to berate me or add any final thought, please leave it at one reply and finish this conversation. Have a nice day and that's all.

Edit: I did not realize Tuyo replied already, I hope @Tuyo you can make that you last remark and end your side of the conversation. :)
_Lyborick_Aug 5, 10:08 AM
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_Lyborick_ said:
Both of you please stop. I appreciate you @Tuyo for standing up for me; however, I don't my forum to be derailed by these one-off remarks both of you are making. In life, there are always people who whine and kvetch all day long, and you just have to ignore them. It random ass person on the internet so don't get worked up. Send a one-off snarky remark and that's all you need. Still, thank you for trying.

As for @PunGood020, I want you to realize how ironic and hypocritical you are when you are stating "don't let it go to your head." Seeing as you had to reply to them furiously, it got to your head as well. You are no more morally correct than Tuyo in this situation. Nor am I with my reply to your comments. But if you want to sound as if you are morally in the right and to win the fight say it with logic, not with fallacies & character assassinations.

I hope you don't reply or if you need to speak your thoughts out to berate me or add any final thought, please leave it at one reply and finish this conversation. Have a nice day and that's all.

Edit: I did not realize Tuyo replied already, I hope @Tuyo you can make that you last remark and end your side of the conversation. :)

@_Lyborick_ I spoke all I wanted to say in my last reply. I originally became interested in this forum because I was curious about historical accuracy as well and while I don't think Yorishige is unjustifiably annoying, I respect your opinion.

Rest assured, I won't be continuing this as any further communication with @PunGood020 is a fruitless venture. I wish you a good day.
TuyoAug 5, 10:18 AM
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I understand why you are not a fan of him. But again, it's not like you can't just stop watching the anime.
I find him annoying too, but try think about it. Tokiyuki just lost his whole family, his home and safety. Yorishige might be a dork, but he is keeping the child safe and think about his life as a child, as well as a future leader. Tokiyuki needs some light around him after such an experience. Yorishige is also really lucky to see the future. He knows what to do to keep our protagonist safe and out of serious harm. You might see a really nice side of him in the next episode when Tokiyuki returns from Sadamune's mansion. <3

Edit: Most people in the series are real people ^^ It's also historical accurate when it comes to serious stuff~
@KuroCiel, I was reading more about the history, and many (the ones that I found online) pointed out that he was a senile man. I probably would have had fewer issues if the show portrayed any sense of his hysteria. I hope he gets less berating and more endearing or even crazy as the story progresses. I enjoyed Assassination classroom, so I hope the author delivers well with it tone and messaging.

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