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Jan 27, 2023 5:28 AM

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Ah yes, the traditional hot springs bath and relaxation returns to Cold Steel, even in an anime series.

This episode also led to an investigation for which Ravian and her squad got involved yet once again. Iseria better be careful...with her operation but I like how she keeps up a good spirit. Idk how to feel about the investigation tbh, felt like it was rushed.

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Jan 27, 2023 7:08 AM

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You can feel it is rushed cause this will be only a 12 episode anime. First we started at Raquel(Ash is there) then at Heimdallr(Bleublanc is there and if you played Cold Steel I, that Phantom B sidequest where Rean guests that the tram conductor is Bleublanc). Then Roer, of course. Main Heroine of Cold Steel, Alisa is there, along with Sharon that is for sure teasing her with his relationship with Rean. I may have missed some but it's gamelike. Random things shown in the first episodes with only little ominous things is shown and all will start going down once Altina, Millium and Lechter arrives

Jan 27, 2023 7:19 AM

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I feel like they're going to pace the anime exactly like the games, with tons of filler in the middle and then the last two episodes will be the craziest thing you've ever seen (but with no animation budget, just like in the games)

Jan 27, 2023 7:23 AM

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Major step up from the last episodes. Love the cameos. Ash, Blueblanc, Sharon, Alisa.

Also loved the character buildings of Iseria where this air-head persona is just a farce she puts up and the 4 North Ambrian are just overwhelmed by the fact that what they consisted luxury and good lifestyle is just everyday stuff for Erebonian people. I really loved this detail. This was nicely shown in the last episode as well. I really hope we'll be able to see Rean soon. I wonder how will he be portrayed.

Jan 27, 2023 9:04 AM

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Now I kinda get this anime. Instead of focusing on hero that change the world, trying to change this world into a world the hero come from (which I assume, is modern Japan) this anime focus on the side effect of the change, so the protagonist is from a rival kingdom that has not been affected by a new development.

Jan 27, 2023 10:30 AM

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The map that shows their mission so far was a nice touch. Nice cameo from Ash, Sharon and Alisa as well. The team really is getting around thats for sure. Nice to see Ymir get animated. Though simple as ever this sidequest to help the people of the village was done pretty well. Though using a handgun is rather stretching it. Looks like things are starting to heat up with the society getting involved and the jaegers moving their forces out as well.

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Jan 27, 2023 1:39 PM

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I guess we'll just have to wait for these sidequest episodes to be done with before we get to the main plot.

Lavi and the gang get to Ymir because it's rumored to be the hero's hometown. You'd be forgiven for forgetting that that's their goal since the episode immediately shifts into "Let's go to the hotsprings" but oh no! the hotsprings are frozen, and we need people capable of fighting monsters to investigate. No worries. We have 4 of them, but we need the two girls to bond so what's our excuse for them seperating from the guys?

uhhhhh...we seem to have none.

Ok, no problem. In the meantime they can investigate Rean, right? The thing they came here to do? nope. Martin will suggest they do fuck all, Talion will come out with the bizarre idea of fucking digging up a new hotspring(wtf). And while they're at it, Martin will start questioning what they're doing this whole time. Great, I do that too, buddy. I did so last episode. I did so this episode. And I feel like I'll be doing that for a few more episodes. Instead of maybe focusing on their mission, Martin just goes "Let's dig to change our luck". Bruh, wtf are you on about? And digging was Talion's idea to begin with. I don't even know what to say. It makes no sense in so many ways it's one of the worst ways to separate characters I've ever seen.

This episode's beginnig gave me hope that we'll do something relevant. Unlike Ordis, there's good reason for the characters to go to Ymir. But unfortunately we get sidequest again, and from the ending it seems like they'll head to Legram next. Which makes me think they'll either forget to mention Ymir, or they'll quickly mention that they didn't learn anything.

I get that they're new to the empire, and are having revelations about how different life in the empire is. But the show is really handling that developement in the worst way. They did that for Talion last episode, and we had him freaked out by the popcorn sound, and we saw Iseria impressed by the jewels at the party, and eager to walk on stage. But those are very quick, very short 3 scenes and then Talion and Iseria start talking about how different life in the empire is. As a result, it feels unearned. Couple that with the filler plots of the last 2 episodes, and we have a show that's feels like it halted the progression of the main plot while rushing the character developement depending on short scenes and off-screen events we don't get to see.

With Jayna and Rogan dealing with Campanella to get some archiasims, Glark giving Lavi's team their mission to Legram,and Altina following them, it seems to me like Lavi's team is just a distraction for the erebonian intelligence while the real plot is being moved somewhere else. An interesting way to build your show, if that's true.

Jan 27, 2023 3:08 PM

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Lots of Easter eggs and cameos and our obligatory 'fix the Ymir Hot Springs' side quest this episode~
I spied Alisa, Sharon, a certain elusive Phantom Thief, and Ash! It seems like this will be more of a tour of Eastern Erebonia than an actual investigation mission, but that's just Kiseki being Kiseki, so I can forgive it, honestly. If they keep up the pacing we've had so far, I'm sure they're just putting all the pieces in place for a super crazy finale that we'll get to eventually.

I liked the development between Lavian and Iseria this episode, and especially how they poked fun at Iseria's monologue being interrupted. She would fit right in in the games, for sure! It's also genuinely a bit sad hearing Iseria talk about the 'what-ifs' of her life, about what she could do if she wasn't a jaeger. It kind of reminded me of that one instructor from Thors Academy, just a little.
I do hope that Martin and Talion also get some development next episode, because all they did was dig up some muddy water... (again, typical Kiseki.)

Since we'll be going to Legram next, I'm sure we'll get some more cameos. It really feels like Kiseki with the way that they're (presumably) making the North Ambria squad care about Erebonia and what they've experienced here, so that things really hurt once we hit that finale. It's a little weird that they literally don't know the name of 'the Hero' at this point; I'm pretty sure his name was in the papers and all... but I guess they're trying to keep him as a big mystery to these characters. It is neat seeing the beginnings of his larger impact on Erebonia, between the puppet show and the Valimar action figures.

And things are definitely moving forward in the background with all of those archaisms being mobilized (again, in typical Kiseki fashion), so it'll be interesting to see what happens when these two plots finally collide.

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Jan 27, 2023 5:43 PM

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Another bad episode.
The characters are uninteresting and the plot is dumb.
They didn't even try to find out who is Rean even visiting Yumir.
They were more concerned about the hot springs or or dig a hole than the mission. WTF.
The characters' cameo is probably the only good part of the episode (even a horrible character like Alisa is more interesting than this show 🤣).
I know Falcom's writing isn't the best but this anime another level of bad writing.

Jan 27, 2023 6:21 PM

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Oh boy, silent cameos from characters who actually exist in the game. Surely that will fix the glaring issues with this anime

Jan 27, 2023 7:09 PM

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ridiculously comfy episode

Jan 28, 2023 3:07 AM

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this season is just rife with pointless episodes across the board and this one fits trend perfectly. one of the worst seasons in recent memory.

Jan 28, 2023 3:13 AM

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Mystogan03 said:
Another bad episode.
The characters are uninteresting and the plot is dumb.
They didn't even try to find out who is Rean even visiting Yumir.
They were more concerned about the hot springs or or dig a hole than the mission. WTF.
The characters' cameo is probably the only good part of the episode (even a horrible character like Alisa is more interesting than this show 🤣).
I know Falcom's writing isn't the best but this anime another level of bad writing.

Yeah cuz like Erebonia Arc is already finished.
For me it's good enough. Isn't it fine that they bridge the story gap of the between CS2 and CS3. Also Alisa isn't that bad, it's just your bias against Tsunderes on work.

Jan 28, 2023 3:47 AM

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The cameos was definitely a nice addition.
Made the episode slightly better to watch.
And kinda makes the world more alive.
Just wish there were more stuff happening, though character development is also good.

Jan 28, 2023 8:12 AM

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japans obsession with hot springs and pedophilia is unrivaled lol

Jan 28, 2023 1:47 PM

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Kakeru_00115 said:

Mystogan03 said:
Another bad episode.
The characters are uninteresting and the plot is dumb.
They didn't even try to find out who is Rean even visiting Yumir.
They were more concerned about the hot springs or or dig a hole than the mission. WTF.
The characters' cameo is probably the only good part of the episode (even a horrible character like Alisa is more interesting than this show 🤣).
I know Falcom's writing isn't the best but this anime another level of bad writing.

Yeah cuz like Erebonia Arc is already finished.
For me it's good enough. Isn't it fine that they bridge the story gap of the between CS2 and CS3. Also Alisa isn't that bad, it's just your bias against Tsunderes on work.

This is not a good excuse. There's so much unfinished things and plot holes in CSGames. And the entire North Ambria plot is put aside in the last 2 episodes. Why the characters are in Erebonia and why they are so blande? Just give me a good and then delete everyone's memory if necessary to avoid more plot holes.

I like Tsunderes (I like Duvalie) but Alisa's personality and writing as a character are so bad - especially that stupid Reinford Drama and how useless it was

Jan 28, 2023 1:50 PM

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I beginning to suspect this is just another "ad-mine" to shill a game. These episodes are just low tier filler.

Jan 28, 2023 3:56 PM

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It had a few good cameos and the story was nice and sweet with som good charecter development together with a look at a place that we love

Jan 28, 2023 4:05 PM

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Looks like they're setting this up to be a Northern Jaeger's take on class 7. Exploring the empire and discovering their varying cultures and ways of life and such.

Jan 30, 2023 3:15 AM

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Mystogan03 said:

Kakeru_00115 said:

Yeah cuz like Erebonia Arc is already finished.
For me it's good enough. Isn't it fine that they bridge the story gap of the between CS2 and CS3. Also Alisa isn't that bad, it's just your bias against Tsunderes on work.

This is not a good excuse. There's so much unfinished things and plot holes in CSGames. And the entire North Ambria plot is put aside in the last 2 episodes. Why the characters are in Erebonia and why they are so blande? Just give me a good and then delete everyone's memory if necessary to avoid more plot holes.

I like Tsunderes (I like Duvalie) but Alisa's personality and writing as a character are so bad - especially that stupid Reinford Drama and how useless it was

Plotholes? Reverie finished them all though except for Northern war here. Those who only hate Alisa is those guys that played CS in English dub. JP voice suits her. The story also hinders her growth. If only CS doesn't have harem elements, Many characters that are bad should've been good.

Jan 30, 2023 4:55 AM

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going through the empire, with all these funny name places, like Raquel, Ymir, etc
that place is alot different from their own city, rolling stairs, elevators... useful stuff lol

no one knows anything about the hero
the most important spot in this visit... the hot springs, a place to relax and maybe do some fanservice lol
that public hot spring is really small, i wonder if they have more inside the houses

lols the girls will stay inside the expensive inn while the guys have to stay outside?

HAHAHAHA the hot springs are actually cold, but why would Iseria just jump in? shouldn't she check with her hand/foot? well... zama mirou...
well, since it's so cold, no steamed buns either, rip, funny to see her throwing a tantrum

couldn't be called something like "legend of heroes" and not save the poor town from the monsters lol all for the hot spring and steamed buns

preparing to leave, Iseria puts a ton of stuff inside the bag, and then asks Lavi to carry it lol she has some nerve to do stuff like this :D

the girls finally go on an adventure, while the boys will be ... digging for an hot spring... well good luck
humm, i wonder if they are not cold with those clothes, isn't it supposed to be cold in that place?

Lavi getting stuck in those rocks was funny
why is Iseria the one tired, when Lavi is the one carrying all that stuff?

finally arriving at the top, and everything is frozen there too, now what to do?
there's a mineral/stone down there, so Iseria pulls the spade and... Lavi please do it :D

trying to burn it and somehow the crystal is alive? it trapped Iseria ,,, who started to say stuff like "if i knew i would die like this i would have done that" ... just like Onimai lol

payback for all the work and teasing Iseria did to Lavi on the way up, now Lavi saying stuff like "i'll leave you here" or "who cares if the gun shot hit you?" hahaha

if the small gun shots can barely pierce the crystal, what about an heavy shot, specially from an high place? should do the trick
while talmking about the delicious food that they will eat right after, they made sure to destroy that crystal... and insde was just a cute angel slime? :D
Iseria getting hit by the hot water, rip

meanwhile the guys still at it, and one of them found some muddy water lol close

after all the hard work, ofc it's time for the hot spring... and bring the buns insidethe pool lol
there's not much fanservice, but it's ok i guess, at least they were happy
Lavi wants Iseria to teach her more about everything, and to start... a cute "onsen onsen chapun chapun" lol kawaii Lavi-chan

lastly, one of the sides is getting robots ready for something, let's hope it's nothing problematic for Lavi lol

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Jan 31, 2023 6:26 PM

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Kakeru_00115 said:

Mystogan03 said:

This is not a good excuse. There's so much unfinished things and plot holes in CSGames. And the entire North Ambria plot is put aside in the last 2 episodes. Why the characters are in Erebonia and why they are so blande? Just give me a good and then delete everyone's memory if necessary to avoid more plot holes.

I like Tsunderes (I like Duvalie) but Alisa's personality and writing as a character are so bad - especially that stupid Reinford Drama and how useless it was

Plotholes? Reverie finished them all though except for Northern war here. Those who only hate Alisa is those guys that played CS in English dub. JP voice suits her. The story also hinders her growth. If only CS doesn't have harem elements, Many characters that are bad should've been good.

Hajimari only used AZOTH as the ''biggest plot device'' to justify everything with ''Fate''. It's just lazy writing. But there's worse plotholes in the series like Crow/Vita and ILF goals in CS1/2. Are they really trying to kill Osborne since the start? I mean... all terrorist actions during CS1 makes no fu*king sense. Vita needs Emma > Rean/Valimar to execute her plans but the terrorists almost killed them during the Study Fields. Isn't Crow supossed to help Vita? Why the terrorists attacked the Trade Conference without Ordine power? Are they really serious about the Railway Guns? Crow agreed to kill Towa? Did the terrorists just want to show off during the attacks? There were no clear goals. It is not at all logical for them to show up and raise the army's alertness about them before the start of the civil war. They just showed up because Falcom wanted some action during the Study Fields but that just made them look like suicidal idiots. (although most falcom antagonists are idiots who don't take their goals seriously) .

I like Yui Horie voice (Hanekawa is great) but Alisa's writing still crap. (why people here jump to fake conclusions? I never played the english dub) The harem element is no excuse to write bad characters. Especially her relationship with her mother. 4 games of useless drama to nothing and Black Alberich is ruined by this stupid familiar drama. And Alisa is one of the most useless character despite being the ''main heroine''. In my opinion there's no good female character in coldsteel but other characters like Juna, Emma, Altina and even Elise( I don't like her too) managed to be more ''main heroines'' according to the plot/lore than alisa.

Feb 1, 2023 9:18 AM

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Goddamn this was so boring it was legitimately hard to finish the episode. Other than the cameos there was absolutely fucking nothing interesting

Feb 2, 2023 10:04 PM

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Mystogan03 said:

Kakeru_00115 said:

Plotholes? Reverie finished them all though except for Northern war here. Those who only hate Alisa is those guys that played CS in English dub. JP voice suits her. The story also hinders her growth. If only CS doesn't have harem elements, Many characters that are bad should've been good.

Hajimari only used AZOTH as the ''biggest plot device'' to justify everything with ''Fate''. It's just lazy writing. But there's worse plotholes in the series like Crow/Vita and ILF goals in CS1/2. Are they really trying to kill Osborne since the start? I mean... all terrorist actions during CS1 makes no fu*king sense. Vita needs Emma > Rean/Valimar to execute her plans but the terrorists almost killed them during the Study Fields. Isn't Crow supossed to help Vita? Why the terrorists attacked the Trade Conference without Ordine power? Are they really serious about the Railway Guns? Crow agreed to kill Towa? Did the terrorists just want to show off during the attacks? There were no clear goals. It is not at all logical for them to show up and raise the army's alertness about them before the start of the civil war. They just showed up because Falcom wanted some action during the Study Fields but that just made them look like suicidal idiots. (although most falcom antagonists are idiots who don't take their goals seriously) .

I like Yui Horie voice (Hanekawa is great) but Alisa's writing still crap. (why people here jump to fake conclusions? I never played the english dub) The harem element is no excuse to write bad characters. Especially her relationship with her mother. 4 games of useless drama to nothing and Black Alberich is ruined by this stupid familiar drama. And Alisa is one of the most useless character despite being the ''main heroine''. In my opinion there's no good female character in coldsteel but other characters like Juna, Emma, Altina and even Elise( I don't like her too) managed to be more ''main heroines'' according to the plot/lore than alisa.

Different

Mystogan03 said:

Kakeru_00115 said:

Plotholes? Reverie finished them all though except for Northern war here. Those who only hate Alisa is those guys that played CS in English dub. JP voice suits her. The story also hinders her growth. If only CS doesn't have harem elements, Many characters that are bad should've been good.

Hajimari only used AZOTH as the ''biggest plot device'' to justify everything with ''Fate''. It's just lazy writing. But there's worse plotholes in the series like Crow/Vita and ILF goals in CS1/2. Are they really trying to kill Osborne since the start? I mean... all terrorist actions during CS1 makes no fu*king sense. Vita needs Emma > Rean/Valimar to execute her plans but the terrorists almost killed them during the Study Fields. Isn't Crow supossed to help Vita? Why the terrorists attacked the Trade Conference without Ordine power? Are they really serious about the Railway Guns? Crow agreed to kill Towa? Did the terrorists just want to show off during the attacks? There were no clear goals. It is not at all logical for them to show up and raise the army's alertness about them before the start of the civil war. They just showed up because Falcom wanted some action during the Study Fields but that just made them look like suicidal idiots. (although most falcom antagonists are idiots who don't take their goals seriously) .

I like Yui Horie voice (Hanekawa is great) but Alisa's writing still crap. (why people here jump to fake conclusions? I never played the english dub) The harem element is no excuse to write bad characters. Especially her relationship with her mother. 4 games of useless drama to nothing and Black Alberich is ruined by this stupid familiar drama. And Alisa is one of the most useless character despite being the ''main heroine''. In my opinion there's no good female character in coldsteel but other characters like Juna, Emma, Altina and even Elise( I don't like her too) managed to be more ''main heroines'' according to the plot/lore than alisa.

Different strokes for different folks i guess. Ordine attacking the Trade conference will ruin the crossbell duology, Also Osborne is there in the trade conference, He's a awakener dude, showing Ordine is a bad move there, Also Vita wants to create a Pseudo rivalry, thus ending the rivalry for this generation. Crow wants to kill Osborne, Vita helps Crow to gains power to kill Osborne, A perfect symbiotic relationship. Vita of course don't want a rivalry that is one sided. Making Rean grow is the part of the terrorists.

Feb 3, 2023 4:51 AM

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oohh, it's Alisa. Before she gets her boob job

Feb 3, 2023 8:47 AM

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Kakeru_00115 said:

Mystogan03 said:

Hajimari only used AZOTH as the ''biggest plot device'' to justify everything with ''Fate''. It's just lazy writing. But there's worse plotholes in the series like Crow/Vita and ILF goals in CS1/2. Are they really trying to kill Osborne since the start? I mean... all terrorist actions during CS1 makes no fu*king sense. Vita needs Emma > Rean/Valimar to execute her plans but the terrorists almost killed them during the Study Fields. Isn't Crow supossed to help Vita? Why the terrorists attacked the Trade Conference without Ordine power? Are they really serious about the Railway Guns? Crow agreed to kill Towa? Did the terrorists just want to show off during the attacks? There were no clear goals. It is not at all logical for them to show up and raise the army's alertness about them before the start of the civil war. They just showed up because Falcom wanted some action during the Study Fields but that just made them look like suicidal idiots. (although most falcom antagonists are idiots who don't take their goals seriously) .

I like Yui Horie voice (Hanekawa is great) but Alisa's writing still crap. (why people here jump to fake conclusions? I never played the english dub) The harem element is no excuse to write bad characters. Especially her relationship with her mother. 4 games of useless drama to nothing and Black Alberich is ruined by this stupid familiar drama. And Alisa is one of the most useless character despite being the ''main heroine''. In my opinion there's no good female character in coldsteel but other characters like Juna, Emma, Altina and even Elise( I don't like her too) managed to be more ''main heroines'' according to the plot/lore than alisa.

Different

Mystogan03 said:

Hajimari only used AZOTH as the ''biggest plot device'' to justify everything with ''Fate''. It's just lazy writing. But there's worse plotholes in the series like Crow/Vita and ILF goals in CS1/2. Are they really trying to kill Osborne since the start? I mean... all terrorist actions during CS1 makes no fu*king sense. Vita needs Emma > Rean/Valimar to execute her plans but the terrorists almost killed them during the Study Fields. Isn't Crow supossed to help Vita? Why the terrorists attacked the Trade Conference without Ordine power? Are they really serious about the Railway Guns? Crow agreed to kill Towa? Did the terrorists just want to show off during the attacks? There were no clear goals. It is not at all logical for them to show up and raise the army's alertness about them before the start of the civil war. They just showed up because Falcom wanted some action during the Study Fields but that just made them look like suicidal idiots. (although most falcom antagonists are idiots who don't take their goals seriously) .

I like Yui Horie voice (Hanekawa is great) but Alisa's writing still crap. (why people here jump to fake conclusions? I never played the english dub) The harem element is no excuse to write bad characters. Especially her relationship with her mother. 4 games of useless drama to nothing and Black Alberich is ruined by this stupid familiar drama. And Alisa is one of the most useless character despite being the ''main heroine''. In my opinion there's no good female character in coldsteel but other characters like Juna, Emma, Altina and even Elise( I don't like her too) managed to be more ''main heroines'' according to the plot/lore than alisa.

Different strokes for different folks i guess. Ordine attacking the Trade conference will ruin the crossbell duology, Also Osborne is there in the trade conference, He's a awakener dude, showing Ordine is a bad move there, Also Vita wants to create a Pseudo rivalry, thus ending the rivalry for this generation. Crow wants to kill Osborne, Vita helps Crow to gains power to kill Osborne, A perfect symbiotic relationship. Vita of course don't want a rivalry that is one sided. Making Rean grow is the part of the terrorists.

''Ordine attacking the Trade conference will ruin the crossbell duology'' of course I agree but still a plothole: they could have started the civil war there or not attacked at all. From the point of view of the AO it worked because we didn't know the terrorists well but in Coldsteel the attack was useless and stupid. They need Azure Tree to Awaken the ''Phantom'' in Erebonia. So why they went in a suicide mission? Or why they don't attacked the train instead Garrelia, a military base.

''Showing Ordine is a bad move there'' The entire terrorist thing is a bad move.

''Making Rean grow is the part of the terrorists.'' who said that? He had not awakened the valimar in cs1 and the terrorists barely helped him to grow. He still stupid in CS2 with that ''I need to bring Crow back to school thing'' Isn't the old school floors supossed to be the ''trials''?

Feb 3, 2023 10:25 AM

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It feels like it doesn't understand itself and the character feel like the food forgot to put salt

Feb 3, 2023 11:21 AM

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Mystogan03 said:

Kakeru_00115 said:

Mystogan03 said:

Kakeru_00115 said:

Mystogan03 said:

Kakeru_00115 said:

Mystogan03 said:
Another bad episode.
The characters are uninteresting and the plot is dumb.
They didn't even try to find out who is Rean even visiting Yumir.
They were more concerned about the hot springs or or dig a hole than the mission. WTF.
The characters' cameo is probably the only good part of the episode (even a horrible character like Alisa is more interesting than this show 🤣).
I know Falcom's writing isn't the best but this anime another level of bad writing.

Yeah cuz like Erebonia Arc is already finished.
For me it's good enough. Isn't it fine that they bridge the story gap of the between CS2 and CS3. Also Alisa isn't that bad, it's just your bias against Tsunderes on work.

This is not a good excuse. There's so much unfinished things and plot holes in CSGames. And the entire North Ambria plot is put aside in the last 2 episodes. Why the characters are in Erebonia and why they are so blande? Just give me a good and then delete everyone's memory if necessary to avoid more plot holes.

I like Tsunderes (I like Duvalie) but Alisa's personality and writing as a character are so bad - especially that stupid Reinford Drama and how useless it was

Plotholes? Reverie finished them all though except for Northern war here. Those who only hate Alisa is those guys that played CS in English dub. JP voice suits her. The story also hinders her growth. If only CS doesn't have harem elements, Many characters that are bad should've been good.

Hajimari only used AZOTH as the ''biggest plot device'' to justify everything with ''Fate''. It's just lazy writing. But there's worse plotholes in the series like Crow/Vita and ILF goals in CS1/2. Are they really trying to kill Osborne since the start? I mean... all terrorist actions during CS1 makes no fu*king sense. Vita needs Emma > Rean/Valimar to execute her plans but the terrorists almost killed them during the Study Fields. Isn't Crow supossed to help Vita? Why the terrorists attacked the Trade Conference without Ordine power? Are they really serious about the Railway Guns? Crow agreed to kill Towa? Did the terrorists just want to show off during the attacks? There were no clear goals. It is not at all logical for them to show up and raise the army's alertness about them before the start of the civil war. They just showed up because Falcom wanted some action during the Study Fields but that just made them look like suicidal idiots. (although most falcom antagonists are idiots who don't take their goals seriously) .

I like Yui Horie voice (Hanekawa is great) but Alisa's writing still crap. (why people here jump to fake conclusions? I never played the english dub) The harem element is no excuse to write bad characters. Especially her relationship with her mother. 4 games of useless drama to nothing and Black Alberich is ruined by this stupid familiar drama. And Alisa is one of the most useless character despite being the ''main heroine''. In my opinion there's no good female character in coldsteel but other characters like Juna, Emma, Altina and even Elise( I don't like her too) managed to be more ''main heroines'' according to the plot/lore than alisa.

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Mystogan03 said:

Kakeru_00115 said:

Mystogan03 said:

Kakeru_00115 said:

Mystogan03 said:
Another bad episode.
The characters are uninteresting and the plot is dumb.
They didn't even try to find out who is Rean even visiting Yumir.
They were more concerned about the hot springs or or dig a hole than the mission. WTF.
The characters' cameo is probably the only good part of the episode (even a horrible character like Alisa is more interesting than this show 🤣).
I know Falcom's writing isn't the best but this anime another level of bad writing.

Yeah cuz like Erebonia Arc is already finished.
For me it's good enough. Isn't it fine that they bridge the story gap of the between CS2 and CS3. Also Alisa isn't that bad, it's just your bias against Tsunderes on work.

This is not a good excuse. There's so much unfinished things and plot holes in CSGames. And the entire North Ambria plot is put aside in the last 2 episodes. Why the characters are in Erebonia and why they are so blande? Just give me a good and then delete everyone's memory if necessary to avoid more plot holes.

I like Tsunderes (I like Duvalie) but Alisa's personality and writing as a character are so bad - especially that stupid Reinford Drama and how useless it was

Plotholes? Reverie finished them all though except for Northern war here. Those who only hate Alisa is those guys that played CS in English dub. JP voice suits her. The story also hinders her growth. If only CS doesn't have harem elements, Many characters that are bad should've been good.

Hajimari only used AZOTH as the ''biggest plot device'' to justify everything with ''Fate''. It's just lazy writing. But there's worse plotholes in the series like Crow/Vita and ILF goals in CS1/2. Are they really trying to kill Osborne since the start? I mean... all terrorist actions during CS1 makes no fu*king sense. Vita needs Emma > Rean/Valimar to execute her plans but the terrorists almost killed them during the Study Fields. Isn't Crow supossed to help Vita? Why the terrorists attacked the Trade Conference without Ordine power? Are they really serious about the Railway Guns? Crow agreed to kill Towa? Did the terrorists just want to show off during the attacks? There were no clear goals. It is not at all logical for them to show up and raise the army's alertness about them before the start of the civil war. They just showed up because Falcom wanted some action during the Study Fields but that just made them look like suicidal idiots. (although most falcom antagonists are idiots who don't take their goals seriously) .

I like Yui Horie voice (Hanekawa is great) but Alisa's writing still crap. (why people here jump to fake conclusions? I never played the english dub) The harem element is no excuse to write bad characters. Especially her relationship with her mother. 4 games of useless drama to nothing and Black Alberich is ruined by this stupid familiar drama. And Alisa is one of the most useless character despite being the ''main heroine''. In my opinion there's no good female character in coldsteel but other characters like Juna, Emma, Altina and even Elise( I don't like her too) managed to be more ''main heroines'' according to the plot/lore than alisa.

Different strokes for different folks i guess. Ordine attacking the Trade conference will ruin the crossbell duology, Also Osborne is there in the trade conference, He's a awakener dude, showing Ordine is a bad move there, Also Vita wants to create a Pseudo rivalry, thus ending the rivalry for this generation. Crow wants to kill Osborne, Vita helps Crow to gains power to kill Osborne, A perfect symbiotic relationship. Vita of course don't want a rivalry that is one sided. Making Rean grow is the part of the terrorists.

''Ordine attacking the Trade conference will ruin the crossbell duology'' of course I agree but still a plothole: they could have started the civil war there or not attacked at all. From the point of view of the AO it worked because we didn't know the terrorists well but in Coldsteel the attack was useless and stupid. They need Azure Tree to Awaken the ''Phantom'' in Erebonia. So why they went in a suicide mission? Or why they don't attacked the train instead Garrelia, a military base.

''Showing Ordine is a bad move there'' The entire terrorist thing is a bad move.

''Making Rean grow is the part of the terrorists.'' who said that? He had not awakened the valimar in cs1 and the terrorists barely helped him to grow. He still stupid in CS2 with that ''I need to bring Crow back to school thing'' Isn't the old school floors supossed to be the ''trials''?

Didn't they use some personal superfast military train? Also, the train had other VIP-s like a royal prince that terrorists did not want to kill. If they hurt royalty they would jeopardize popularity.

Point of Gurellia and the Tower to give alibi and remove the suspicion from Crow. He was not involved in the assault of the tower and helped stop the railway cannons, so basically it secured his mole position and diverted eyes from him. They also never intended to shoot the railway cannons, it was also a farce. Osborne is not someone you can attack head-on and defeat.

Even though he did not awakened valimar in cs1, both Vita and Crow is in Trista, thus knowing about the Old Schoolhouse and Rean being under a trial and being an awakener candidate. Basic logic there. Also there are no other available awakeners in the country.

is an enemy, and also has a special Divine Knight not fitting for a fake rivalry.

is dead at this moment

gets his in CS4

gets his in CS3

is in Crossbell and hid her Knight, also wants the Great Twilight to happen, Vita does not. So it would make no sense for her to help, since her main goal is to get the Rivalries kicked in, so she can get rid of

Rean currently getting his.
And there is Crow.

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