Gundam BF is much better than Gundam AGE

Oct 22, 2013 12:52 AM

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Yeah!

It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on.

Oct 22, 2013 5:25 PM

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I actually will agree to that.

Oct 22, 2013 5:27 PM

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SD is better than age

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Oct 22, 2013 6:06 PM

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better than AGE, Destiny, Victory, and 00 movie

Oct 22, 2013 9:50 PM

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So far it's better than the Flit and Kio arcs, but not the Asemu arc.

You want to throw down?

Oct 25, 2013 10:49 AM

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dragonlight said:
So far it's better than the Flit and Kio arcs, but not the Asemu arc.

This pretty much or Memory of Eden OVA. That OVA was amazing imo.

I love AGE though, but it was too rushed can't have proper development when trying to cram 3 generations into 49 episodes. It would have been leagues better if it was just first half Flit and the second half Asemu. Then ended it with a movie where Kio pilots the Gundam.

Still holding out for the hope that Age-2 Dark Hound will make an appearance in a future episode. That is probably my favorite Gundam next to Alleluiah's Gundams.

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Oct 25, 2013 10:52 AM

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Exblaster said:
better than AGE, Destiny, Victory, and 00 movie

no is not better than any uc

Oct 27, 2013 11:05 AM

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Victory for me was a mess. Forced drama, cheap deaths, and ridiculousness.
I mean hell man I've heard Tomino despise hates Victory.

Bikini clad soldiers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTOplYCfKTA

Magic motorcycles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEiGulze0U

But I do think Victory better than Seed, Wing, AGE, and 00
Forgot to add Seed and Wing into the list which Build Fighter is better than.

Oct 27, 2013 8:05 PM

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Well the main writer for BF, Yōsuke Kuroda, was also the main writer for 00. No surprise.

Oct 28, 2013 12:50 PM

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Yep

Oct 28, 2013 3:15 PM

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Exblaster said:
Victory for me was a mess. Forced drama, cheap deaths, and ridiculousness.
I mean hell man I've heard Tomino despise hates Victory.

Bikini clad soldiers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTOplYCfKTA

Magic motorcycles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEiGulze0U

But I do think Victory better than Seed, Wing, AGE, and 00
Forgot to add Seed and Wing into the list which Build Fighter is better than.

Don't remind me of V gundam dude. Anyway I agree with the rest of your post except for wing. I do think BF can surpass it though.

Oct 28, 2013 3:21 PM

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Don't remind me of V gundam dude. Anyway I agree with the rest of your post except for wing. I do think BF can surpass it though.

Wing is oneof the reason Tv anime almost died in Japan DBGT Wing G almost killed Tv anime

and also the wing Zero is to over powered imo

@exblaster
its is bandai who hate victory
tomino made it a as fuck you after Bandai took over sunrise

and
the only Au gundam that id call good[ zeta level good]
are X and Turn A

Oct 28, 2013 3:24 PM

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DateYutaka said:

Wing is oneof the reason Tv anime almost died in Japan DBGT Wing G almost killed Tv anime

and also the wing Zero is to over powered imo

@exblaster
its is bandai who hate victory
tomino made it a as fuck you after Bandai took over sunrise

and
the only Au gundam that id call good[ zeta level good]
are X and Turn A

I know, if you look at my comments in my reviews I specifically mention about the one sided battles in wing, still though I think the plot itself was decent besides the one sided battles. Endless Waltz was probably the worst offender with wing zero.. that was just ridiculous what it did to that base.

Oct 28, 2013 4:27 PM

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So far it's better than the Flit and Kio arcs, but not the Asemu arc.

Agreeable. To me better than Valvrave Sunrises other mecha show this year.

Oct 29, 2013 5:40 AM

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Being better then Age isn't that hard. You just have to not suck 100% of the time.

Oct 30, 2013 4:34 PM

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AGE didn't suck, it was just straightforward with three arcs, and lack of character bonding. By all means, it was fun in places. It is also a tribute to the old UC series in a way. And i liked the family system idea. However, probably 2nd or third in mortality rate? ^-^;

Gunpla brings out the geek, and there is some mystery involved, making us wonder where it's heading.

And ya know what? Right now, AGE OP BEATS GUNPLA OP.

That's my two cents. That's all.

Nov 4, 2013 5:05 PM

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shakeyourpup45 said:
And ya know what? Right now, AGE OP BEATS GUNPLA OP.

Only OP I agree that's better than BF is the 4th OP.

Nov 6, 2013 1:27 PM

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Sounds good to me!

Nov 10, 2013 2:13 PM

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shakeyourpup45 said:
AGE didn't suck, it was just straightforward with three arcs, and lack of character bonding. By all means, it was fun in places. It is also a tribute to the old UC series in a way. And i liked the family system idea. However, probably 2nd or third in mortality rate? ^-^;

Not even in the rankings. Too many people lived in AGE for that. Compared to Zeta. And from what I've heard Victory is terribly, awfully violent.

Anyway, yeah AGE is nowhere near as good as Build Fighters is.

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Nov 10, 2013 4:42 PM

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To be better than AGE you don't need to do much. Couldn't get past 2 episodes of it. While GF had me hooked from the very first episode.

But to be fair, Gundam Fighters is hardly your traditional Gundam series. As enjoyable that the series is, it's hardly comparable to the likes of Seed, Wing, 00,... or even AGE. It falls a lot more under the category of the likes of Yu-gi-oh, Vanguard and the likes. Has them easily beat though just cause it has Gundam.

Jan 14, 2014 7:07 AM

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Gundam Build Fighters hasn't bored me yet unlike most Gundam shows except G Gundam.

Jan 14, 2014 2:22 PM

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ravagestorm said:
Gundam Build Fighters hasn't bored me yet unlike most Gundam shows except G Gundam.

Funny, Build Fighters and G Gundam are the most formulaic of the entire franchise.

SageShinigami said:

Victory is a league above even Zeta in mortality rate, but I'd say Age is atleast on the spectrum, Sunrise shows are generally like this.

OchimushaJan 14, 2014 2:26 PM

Jan 21, 2014 7:17 AM

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I thought Build Fighters is supposed to be a 'friendly' show (I mean sports theme)

NOT that regular Gundam show which it had so many sad, ruthless, 'Oh come on! Are you kidding me?!' or New MS debuts but it's destroyed way too early moments just like Gundam AGE.

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Yeah!

Too early to judge. Probably you should wait & see how it goes after this show ends.

Feb 8, 2014 4:42 AM

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Better than Age? Yeah, but the Flit, Kio arc is pretty good? I think both shows has its charms.

If I want to watch Gundams from different series-verse I would watch Gundam Build Fighters.

Iif I want to see over the top beam spam and life drama thingy what-ever Seed is, I'd watch that. The reason I like Seed is the mobile suit designs, the GAT-Xs, minus any Gundam with Fin Funnels (Dragoon system).

If I want to watch a stupid one with messed up character turn of events, Gundam 00 S2. >:[ so wasn't happy with Season 2.

Gundam Build Fighters, its Gunpla, who doesn't love Gunpla!

Mar 26, 2014 8:45 AM

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Gundam Build Fighters, its Gunpla, who doesn't love Gunpla!

Indeed.

Mar 27, 2014 3:36 AM

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GBF and Age are two different things. Compare Gundam Build Fighters to Model Suit Gunpla Builders Beginning G and THEN talk. Otherwise you just sound like an asshole.

What Age did was take the things that made Mobile Suit Gundam's trilogy whole and put them into one series. Instead though, they took the main character and began developing him into the antagonist. At any point Flit could have turned evil. You notice, after the death of Yurin, the first thing he says is "I'll defeat every one of you." The first thing we hear him say in the second arc is something along the lines of "I'll exterminate every last Vagan" And in the Third Arc one of the first things we hear is how he wants Vagan to be exterminated to the very core.

We see the development of Flit but not in the way we want. The 13-year-old child who wanted to protect, and save had died the day his love interest died. As a result, his whole life was spent trying to force the end of the war, and force his child into the mobile suit and force his grandchild into the suit.

ALL for the same wild ambitions of this angry-angsty thirteen year old child inside of him.

Really, Age was misrepresented by a lot of people who watched it. Gundam Age's story is fantastic. Zeheart basically explains why he fights and kills however many people he does in a way that explains WHY Milliardo Peacecraft's way of ending war--is smart. Why?

Milliardo stated: I want to make a war so horrible that no one wants to fight again.

I, as a kid, thought that was stupid. It's dumb.

Zeheart: I've been fighting as a Vagan warrior for so long... fighting for what I want to protect...
Asemu: But you've saved lives haven't you?"
Zeheart: I'm not fighting to save people, I'm fighting to protect Eden. Earth.

--he continues and later states that "Humanity is the problem, they continuously fight, they will never end." And comes to the conclusion that if it will never end anyway--HE should be the one to end it. HE should have the blood on his hands. HE shouldn't be watching others do it.

And as a warrior, that's why he fights. It makes Milliardo's reason seem sound.

The thing that Age did well is it showed the problems with being a Mobile Suit Pilot. BECAUSE of a few select deaths, FLIT forced himself to be emotionless towards his family (yes, that makes him an asshole, I agree), who then forces his son into battle. KNOWING that he's not an X-rounder he still sent him into the battle field. He didn't show much care for Asemu, as you can tell from watching it. We see Asemu realize the fault of his father, and he decides he needs to make a change. We see Flit further fall into darkness in the third arc when he's become so obsessed with killing.

ALSO. Please note, most of Flit being a psychopath was probably because he was an x-rounder. If you noticed, all x-rounders had psychopathic traits. When more X-rounders were around he started acting differently, and when he went on the field with Zeheart, Fram, Kio, and Girard Spriggan he was just utterly out of his skull. "VAGAN VAGAN VAGAN KILL KILL KILL" basically was Flit.

So what do we see? We see our MAIN CHARACTER getting corrupt as the series goes on. Flit is filled with so much anger that he can't read the emotions around him, he can't tell that they all think he's insane.
(Episode 44)
Flit: We must exterminate the vagan!
Kio: But why, Grandpa? Why are you saying that? Let's stop this, Grandpa let's end this war here. Dad, Grandpa you've been fighting for so long, but for what? LEt's find a way where we don't have to fight. There has to be!
Flit: They took my family, they took the things I care for. Whatever reasons they had, to me, they're evil. If we don't fight, there'll be more unhappy people like me! [...] Kio, I'm determined to defeat Vagan, I'll become the savior who defeats them. For the sake of all the people I couldn't protect.
Kio: GRANDPA! You're just driven by hatred, you're no savior! You're nothing like it!

This is where he does his self-reflecting and looks inside, and we start noticing Flit change. He's still hating the Vagans, he doesn't want them to live, but he just does not understand how he can end a war without killing. THIS is his problem. He only knows the old ways of ending wars. Through death. Kio he's got a new perspective, and so does Asemu.

Comparing GBF and Age is a terrible way to make one come out better. I could trash GBF in comparison with Age, but I don't. Because they are two different animes. Compare GBF to Beginning G, and then I'll listen to what you have to say.

Mar 27, 2014 4:13 AM

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Flit wasn't a psychopath. He's capable of empathy throughout the series. What he is a racist and a bigot.

And that's exactly why there's a problem with AGE, it's the story of 3 people, one is a bigot, the second is a kid trying to outgrow his dad's shadow and his own lack of talent, and the third is a kid who couldn't figure out what to do with too much power on his hands (and when he does, he fumbles for quite a bit). For most people, only one, maybe two, of those characters are likeable, and that's what turns them off.

Mar 27, 2014 4:38 AM

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kuroihikari2 said:
Flit wasn't a psychopath. He's capable of empathy throughout the series. What he is a racist and a bigot.

And that's exactly why there's a problem with AGE, it's the story of 3 people, one is a bigot, the second is a kid trying to outgrow his dad's shadow and his own lack of talent, and the third is a kid who couldn't figure out what to do with too much power on his hands (and when he does, he fumbles for quite a bit). For most people, only one, maybe two, of those characters are likeable, and that's what turns them off.

Maybe I'm thinking Sociopath for flit. XD; Probably more accurate.

And that's what I think they're trying to get across. Grodek first kills the villain, and his son comes after him. This is *first?* cycle of hatred that we see. As a result, Grodek stops being so angry and angsty, and Flit starts becoming Grodek (if Grodek hadn't stopped). What comes is that Flit is raising his children to be just as bad, and as murderous as him. And I think that Age was trying to show that even if you are good, corrupt is corrupt. I almost wonder if the writers were considering Flit dying, because--there were a few times I thought he was going to be killed, or at least ended because of his hatred.

A lot of people say they like Asemu's arc, but not Flits, but then they say Kio's arc sucks. I mean, Kio's arc only "Sucked" after he got out of Vagan hands, and started appreciating humanity and life. But he started by killing, and then he developed a conscience. I don't get it. Kio was stronger than Flit, and Asemu, yet eveyone says that Kio doesn't know what he can do. I mean--I think he's just struggling with the thoughts that he had been deceived (unintentionally) by his family.

Flit's anger has guided Kio to fight, and it guided his father to abandon his family (basically). It just goes to show that Flit was the reason for the Vagan war continuing, but at the same time Age just questions constantly:

If you can fight. Shouldn't you? Shouldn't you do what you need to, and use your strength?

That's kind of what I liked a lot about it.

Mar 27, 2014 9:44 AM

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Kio, even when he knew what he could do still really didn't live up to what he was supposed to be. During the battle involving the three of them, he was doing the least of the work. He didn't pull his weight until the final fight, where he fumbled once.

Considering he's a kid, it's fair, but Flit was a grandpa, and he almost got his way with mass murder despite his son trying to stop him.

But then that was not the problem with Kio's arc. Some say the problem was the Martian saga. I think the problem was not with what Kio's arc tried to do, but with what it did not do: That is deliver a theme for its story. "We have to empathize" just doesn't cut it when Kio fails at saving the people he had hoped not to destroy.

And that's a problem with the show in general: The lack of an overall theme. We can look at it as three separate arcs with individual themes, but then the only arc whose theme got resolved during it's own run was Asemu's. Flit and Kio didn't really work until the end. When you ask yourself what's the message of the show, it's such a disjoint mess that the story doesn't look like it's built well around its theme at all. We can look at it as a generational story of a family, but it still doesn't work because Flit and Asemu were both non-existent parents.

Mar 28, 2014 3:06 AM

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Roloko said:

dragonlight said:
So far it's better than the Flit and Kio arcs, but not the Asemu arc.

I totally agree, they should've done it that way then it would've been awesome. Asemu's arc was the best out of the 3. Gotta love Woolf Enneacle! I like Age but Gundam build fighters is just way better.

Mar 29, 2014 12:02 AM

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Ryokushin said:

Comparing GBF and Age is a terrible way to make one come out better. I could trash GBF in comparison with Age, but I don't. Because they are two different animes. Compare GBF to Beginning G, and then I'll listen to what you have to say.

You could try, but you'd fail. Because GBF is well-written. Not necessarily innovative. Certainly not groundbreaking. But it IS well-written. AGE, is not.

And I was someone who had hope for Age. I wanted it to be good. I saw the young protagonist and shrugged my shoulders. Uso Evin was fucking 13. How bad could it be?

And to me, the first arc was -not- bad. Until the end. Flit was supposed to go evil. He was supposed to become driven by rage and hatred for the Vagan. Everything that happened afterwards was a stunted half-measure of what should have been, and for that I cannot forgive Age, ever.

It ranks somewhere behind that one CGI SD Gundam show. That was at least funny.

GBF on the other hand is probably one of my favorite series. It's no 08th MS Team, but it has goals (create cool ass Gundam fights), reaches them, creates proper emotional resonance for it's viewers (AGE continuously failed at this), and has crafted an interesting universe full of likable characters, without even terribly relying on those horrible otaku tropes lately. (Only one tsundere, no harems, no garbage "misunderstandings".)

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Mar 30, 2014 11:23 AM

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how can gundam age be worser then gundam BF ??
think about it 3 generation fighting together is the most epic thing ever !!!!

Mar 31, 2014 4:46 AM

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superchan said:
how can gundam age be worser then gundam BF ??
think about it 3 generation fighting together is the most epic thing ever !!!!

Only 3 Generations lol. GBF had all the generations of Gundam Unite as ONE EPIC SHOW.

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Mar 31, 2014 5:37 AM

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AGE was a concentration of Gundam cliches, especially the annoyingly naive anti-war ones that have become more annoying in recent franchise installments. The generation aspect was added to try and make it unique.

BF on the other hand leans toward non-Gundam mecha cliches and executes them very well. You don't have preachy annoying characters or overly cheesy Darwinian villains. That competition theme of BF is also done extremely well.

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Mar 31, 2014 10:39 AM

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only liked Asemu's arc from age

Mar 31, 2014 10:43 AM

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Gundam Build Fighters kind of seems to indicate that Sunrise working on a mecha show alone is better than Sunrise working with a Level 5 (AGE) or Aniplex (Valvrave) to produce one. They just kind of seem to know what they're doing when first in a production committee and will get the right staff for the show rather than just the popular staff or whatever is available since well, this is kind of the studios bread and butter.

Apr 4, 2014 3:55 AM

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I don't care anymore. I still enjoyed AGE no matter how many flaws & things went unfair in every episode & GET WHAT I WANTED. SIGH

God, IF I'm a writer, I should've make my own story of Gundam AGE & make sure is right including a TRUE ending!

Flaecy said:
only liked Asemu's arc from age

Only there's a few loose ends throughout the episodes which I really upset about.

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Apr 4, 2014 3:57 AM

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JeffreyZin said:

Flaecy said:
only liked Asemu's arc from age

Only there's a few loose ends throughout the episodes which I really upset about.

What anime aren't you upset about?

Nevertheless, Age gen 2 did have its flaws, I agree.

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Apr 4, 2014 9:08 AM

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Ckan said:
What anime aren't you upset about?

As long as any anime has TRUE ending (all the characters shown & explained) like 00 season 2, I wouldn't have any problem with that. Hell, I can't believe both 00 movie & AGE had a same thing like this.

Guess nobody ever read my post properly (because of my awful grammar)...

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Apr 5, 2014 2:24 PM

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No it's not..
I prefer AGE over BF tbh..

GBF doesn't feel like a gundam anime to me..

GBF story was stupid.. magic particle to bring gundam to live, wut??
how about the output? the machine? the OS? how would you decide that? and then there's that trans-am thing that haven't been "tuned" yet.. oh god..

seriously, this series is too stupid for my taste.. sorry..

I would like it more if it's a standalone series maybe.. but not as a gundam..

on a positive note, I really like the fighting animation though

Apr 5, 2014 2:41 PM

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GBF fits better in the cannon than G does and age fits the idea less than G does so that m comsice viww on the topic

Apr 6, 2014 4:46 AM

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Gundam BF is more like a PG version of Gundam series to me with lots of laughs (unlike others had so many violence & gore with sad moments).

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Apr 6, 2014 4:55 AM

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AGE is Crap... simple as that.

Apr 6, 2014 10:18 AM

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IZUMI64 said:
AGE is Crap... simple as that.

Like I said,

JeffreyZin said:
I don't care anymore. I still enjoyed AGE no matter how many flaws & things went unfair in every episode & GET WHAT I WANTED. SIGH

God, IF I'm a writer, I should've make my own story of Gundam AGE & make sure is right including a TRUE ending!

Apr 6, 2014 8:27 PM

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I must be one of the few that think Gundam Age was better than Build Fighters.

Apr 10, 2014 9:47 AM

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-khriz- said:
I must be one of the few that think Gundam Age was better than Build Fighters.

I guess everyone has their different opinion then..

A viewer - Watching for criticizing & nitpicking some flaws in every series

B viewer - Watching for fun till making an excuses over flaws & anything rather than just over-reacting over WORSE thing happen in every episode like character death, hating on psychopath characters & etc.

wow. How typical those Gundam fans in here.

Apr 10, 2014 9:48 AM

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my question is which is worse, gundam age or gundam zz, cause im not far in zz but its....its not that good

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Aug 31, 2014 3:34 AM

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That's like saying Emma Sheen is better than Reccoa,to be precise...............That's not saying Much

Sep 11, 2014 7:25 PM

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I liked AGE and BF. Both are quite different, I don't think they can be compared.

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Sep 11, 2014 7:28 PM

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-khriz- said:
I must be one of the few that think Gundam Age was better than Build Fighters.

i agree, i like Gundam AGE but i never watch Gundam Build Fighters though

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