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Jul 31, 2012 7:15 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Kid comes to steal a clock from the city and Shinichi is there to try and stop him! And then the episode goes on to become an hour long episode about a mansion with a dark past.. The ending turns out Mouri was Kaitou Kid the entire time, how exciting...

This was all orchestrated perfectly by Conan, I wonder if Kid ever got worried about being caught, I had absolutely no idea that Kogoro was Kid!

It's interesting to also see that Kid knows about Shinichi being Conan, he's like a brilliant detective himself...

I love watching the life of Kid! When she rips up the newspaper and then he magically reconstructs it oh man I would have a blast doing stuff like that in school...

The beginning part is a great episode of Shinichi Vs Kid, wow I can't wait to see more episodes like this.. The only thing I'm curious is when this took place, did he use the drug Ai made to make himself bigger or something? Maybe it's like a flashback or something.
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Dec 20, 2012 8:26 PM
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The beginning of that episode is likely a flashback while talking with that old man on the roof. But man, it was a confusing at some point. It's funny how Kid already put Kogoro to sleep back at the gas station. lol

Baka :)

Lots of mysteries, great minds and a little detective. Conan.

Sugoi!!!
Dec 24, 2012 7:25 AM
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My mind just went FRJIFNKESKOSEDedaWERFGJINKR
That was amazing. 6/5

Main reason why I love this show. It can make me have all these different feelings for one episode. The funny parts, the sad parts, the suspenseful parts, and the scary parts.

I didn't even catch Mouri being disguised by Kaito until I read your posts here. LOL I was pretty much confused when I watched it.
Aug 2, 2013 8:54 AM
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And this... ladies and gentlemen is the reason why we're going to watch 700+ episodes of Detective Conan.

Okay, maybe not everyone.
Aug 9, 2013 11:16 PM
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I don't like how Kid is able to perfectly disguise himself as other people, seems like a cheap advantage : /
Nov 13, 2013 4:54 PM
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xAvengerx said:
I don't like how Kid is able to perfectly disguise himself as other people, seems like a cheap advantage : /
It is basically but I guess it fits in the world with all the goofy gadgets and weird pills.

OT: That was pretty good, a whole hour and a half. I've always liked the old mansion cases. I've seen this like twice before and always forget that Mouri is a fake until the end. I guess he didn't do anything stupid at the mansion, that should have given him away. I don't like Kid's attitude though. Once again though, the cops are the stupidest.
Dec 2, 2013 1:18 AM
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Kid had me completely fooled, he still acted like the clueless Kogoro we all know. But Turtle is right, most of the cops in this show are clueless, and the one Kid has to deal with is clueless and an egomaniac.
Feb 4, 2014 7:35 PM
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hell yeah, 93 min for one episode, it's the best episode so far if you asked me.. i enjoyed every part of the episode.. so Kid was Mouri the whole time ??! well, anyone can become Mouri if he doesn't say anything but bullshits and become as stupid as hmm,, i don't really know.. :/ maybe ant ? who cares! anyway.. that was a great episode.. that's why i love this show.. you get that feeling after watching a long episode.. i can't express it but it makes me want to watch more and more!!
Jan 1, 2015 10:27 AM
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Great episode .
Kaito rules .
Oct 24, 2015 7:07 AM
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loved this special *-*

just 1 thing. why does everyone always have to bring the running gag of beeing poisoned @_@


Feb 13, 2016 2:06 PM

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This was purely amazing. 10/10
Feb 25, 2016 6:03 PM

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I really don't get why they keep taking the same VA for Kaitou and Shinichi when the author has specified that they have no ties whatsoever...

I'm also a bit disappointed at that Nakamori detective. The first few times his character appears, he seems to be quite smart and competent, but here he ended up become a simple Kogoro replacement.


For the second part, I'm pretty sure you can't detect blood that old with luminol. Also, i sighed when marijuana was brought up as the reason for the massacre, people don't turn out that crazy from a lil smoke...

That gold-watch sure seemed like plastic, considering the cheap sound effect and the way it rebounded on the floor. And honestly the explanation about the king, queen and jack didn't make any sense, but that might just be a language problem.

And yeah, Kid's perfect acting is bullshit. Every single mannerism was spot on... Such thick is his plot armor.

I might have to pause Conan for a while. Even though the mysteries are still for the most part interesting, I'm starting to think too rationally to be able to enjoy the rest, which is btw a sad thing to say about a detective show =/
Jun 5, 2016 8:28 AM

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The first half hour kind of served no purpose? Like that flashback wasn't connected to the main part of the special at all.

I am curious as to how Kid even knew about the detectives gathering at the mansion. Like...did he spy on people getting the letters?

I have nothing against Kid, but I prefer him as a separate entity than Conan. I don't think he and Conan work well together because Kid is more supernatural (especially with that girl who can...summon demon power?) and Conan is more "grounded."
Jul 3, 2016 8:57 PM

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The new door animation for the title cards is ugly
Jul 8, 2016 4:08 PM
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lmMm.mym
Sep 8, 2016 12:44 PM

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LOL Kid does have a very good plot armor but its what makes it fun.

I'm just lol at the incompetent cops, no wonder Kid has no issue with defeating them. All they do is just yell.
Jul 25, 2017 9:48 PM
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DAMIIT! MULTIPLY WITH 99999!!!
I pretty much was understanding how this episode was going on with the mystery and the mystery seemed very intense than the last couple of episode and I was able to understand... BUT when that Kaito Kid appeared, this episode became simple to complex and even greater mystery for me!

whoa.... darn... Maybe in the future I have to rewatch this episode and observe Mouri's action again because I never ever expected he would make the thrill this far!

Greatest episode since the reunion episodes, and maybe also one of my top favorite episode from anime medium itself.
Nov 9, 2018 6:41 PM

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kaito kid's disguises are pure bs lol. weed that made people go crazy.... no comment. and a mansion made of gold.. what
see you, space cowperson . . .
Jan 8, 2019 7:28 AM
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I'm a bit confused cos from earlier episodes (when sinichi turned to conan already) Conan don't know who kaitou kid is. But in the first half part of the episode (the flashback of kaitou stealing the clock) Kudo also dont know who kaitou is. So i was wondering why Conan dont know kaitou when he had already tried to chase kaitou once (the first part of this ep).
Jan 22, 2019 7:10 AM

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rocky_De_peralta said:
I'm a bit confused cos from earlier episodes (when sinichi turned to conan already) Conan don't know who kaitou kid is. But in the first half part of the episode (the flashback of kaitou stealing the clock) Kudo also dont know who kaitou is. So i was wondering why Conan dont know kaitou when he had already tried to chase kaitou once (the first part of this ep).


Yep I was thinking of that too. When he was chasing him down as Conan the first time he clearly had no idea who Kaitou Kid was, but this flashback suggests he's clearly met him before.

Also I know drugs are severely banned in Japan but lol...weed making a bunch of one percenters slaughter each other with swords? Is this how they propagate "drugs are bad mkay" in Japan? With outrageous scenarios.
Jan 23, 2019 12:50 AM

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Reimia said:
rocky_De_peralta said:
I'm a bit confused cos from earlier episodes (when sinichi turned to conan already) Conan don't know who kaitou kid is. But in the first half part of the episode (the flashback of kaitou stealing the clock) Kudo also dont know who kaitou is. So i was wondering why Conan dont know kaitou when he had already tried to chase kaitou once (the first part of this ep).


Yep I was thinking of that too. When he was chasing him down as Conan the first time he clearly had no idea who Kaitou Kid was, but this flashback suggests he's clearly met him before.

This is adaption of a story from the Kaitou Kid manga (I have never read that one) which started before the Detective Conan manga and then stalled...and then get revived for some parallel cases with DC. (By the way two anime adaptations for the Katou's manga and the most completed from both is Magic Kaito 1412).
There are some inconsistencies between them. (Also inconsistencies between the two anime adaptations of Kaitou's manga).
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Feb 1, 2019 5:21 PM

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does anyone know any link to the soundtrack playing during saguru hakuba's first appearance? i think it's unreleased :((
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Mar 10, 2019 12:05 PM

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This was a great movie/special. It gave me insight into what other world-class detectives are out there, and I wasn't expecting that twist with Mouri and the end as well.
Nov 26, 2019 4:52 AM
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Oh what a beautiful ending. This was the best episode so far(from the one’s I’ve seen). The mystery was great(I had to pause and think occasionally to make perfect sense of everything btw, I think it’s harder with subtitles). Amazing episode. 10/10
Nov 28, 2019 12:48 AM
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I really don't get why they keep taking the same VA for Kaitou and Shinichi when the author has specified that they have no ties whatsoever...

I'm also a bit disappointed at that Nakamori detective. The first few times his character appears, he seems to be quite smart and competent, but here he ended up become a simple Kogoro replacement.


For the second part, I'm pretty sure you can't detect blood that old with luminol. Also, i sighed when marijuana was brought up as the reason for the massacre, people don't turn out that crazy from a lil smoke...

That gold-watch sure seemed like plastic, considering the cheap sound effect and the way it rebounded on the floor. And honestly the explanation about the king, queen and jack didn't make any sense, but that might just be a language problem.

And yeah, Kid's perfect acting is bullshit. Every single mannerism was spot on... Such thick is his plot armor.

I might have to pause Conan for a while. Even though the mysteries are still for the most part interesting, I'm starting to think too rationally to be able to enjoy the rest, which is btw a sad thing to say about a detective show =/


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kaito kid's disguises are pure bs lol. weed that made people go crazy.... no comment. and a mansion made of gold.. what


That's what the robot said, but it's not true, I believe.
The truth is what the old woman detective said at the end:
Renya Karasuma invited scholars to solve the code in order to find his treasure, but knowing that he didn't have many days to live, he killed them in his mansion.

Oh, and here's what I found in the detectiveconanworld wiki:
"The backstory about Renya Karasuma was mostly a lie. The true tale prompted the current tragedy and Senma's motive for seeking out the treasure. Renya Karasuma had inherited the mansion from his mother and, forty years ago, had found the clues about the King, Queen, and Knight, but he was unable to make any further headway on the riddle. Greedy for the treasure, Renya hired detectives to solve the case for him, and then began killing them as motivation to solve the case faster. Those murders were the true cause behind the bloodstains in the house, not an out-of-control party caused by two wanderers with drugs. Senma's archaeologist father was one of the individuals who has disappeared looking for the treasure, presumably a victim of Renya Karasuma's treasure hunting fanaticism."
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The ID number idea was pretty clever. I was almost impressed by that inspector who was asking it. Turns out it was Shinichi's idea after all.

Moving to that hidden treasure case...Wow! I was amazed of this whodunit episode. I couldn't tell which one was Kaitou Kid and when murders occurred, it got very confusing. All of the detectives(except Mouri 😔) showed their cunning ability to figure out what was happening and up to the end, even Senma knew Kaitou was among them!

I'm impressed! 10/10!!

She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did!
Jul 20, 2020 10:29 AM

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Reimia said:

Also I know drugs are severely banned in Japan but lol...weed making a bunch of one percenters slaughter each other with swords? Is this how they propagate "drugs are bad mkay" in Japan? With outrageous scenarios.


Same impression here, this episode reeked of cheap fanfiction. The animation was horrible too, I think they were experimenting with digital animation here, which is a shame because Conan always looked best in cell animation... Although the move was going to happen eventually anyways.

3/10
Oct 27, 2020 7:31 AM

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at some point i thought about how the 2nd part connected to the 1st part, but then that ending took me by surprise.

really liked the shinichi part at the start, too bad it didn't continued that way.

i kinda guessed half way the case, but it still were good and surprising, well directed.

9/10
Dec 24, 2020 6:50 PM

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Pretty goood episode. I suppose I should’ve known it wasn’t Mouri when he didn’t smoke or flirt with the other detective.
Would be cool to have a Shinichi, Heiji, and Hakuba showdown.
 
May 6, 2021 5:18 PM

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This has to be the single most insane case yet. It was on the level of insanity of the movies
What can we do?
Jul 5, 2021 9:40 PM
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The first 30 minutes were pretty good but I really didn't like the mansion mystery
Sep 21, 2021 1:50 PM

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I read this case when I was in 4th grade, so 14-15 years ago, and it's the one case stuck to me the most. I remembered some details, but I completely forgot Kid was Kogoro the whole time.

People in this thread say that Kaito's impressions are 100% perfect, but there were many things that seemed a bit different to our usual Kogoro, the first thing I thought was weird was the way he interacted with the grandma detective in the beginning, normally Kogoro would express his annoyance out loud

This episode definitely felt like a movie and was very well written + directed. I liked Hakuba a lot, I hope to see him in future episodes as well

Sep 28, 2021 6:05 PM
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Been very excited for this episode, and certainly, it wholly delivered! Goes into my top 5 Conan episodes for sure.

Seeing Kaitou Kid is even more exciting than Heiji, and so I wish we had the latter in the mix as well..
Jan 29, 2022 3:24 AM
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Amazing Episode.
Apr 26, 2022 6:54 AM

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First of all, I'm going to miss the old door :(
Man, what an episode! to think Mori isn't actually Mori is kind of sucks. This case is easily one the best so far.
it'd be much better if Heiji was part of it. Conan and Heiji would annihilate this game. (I hope that day will come. Conan and Heiji vs Kaito Kid)

and they got me tho I thought they killed each one. "of course, Mori is still alive somehow". that was exactly my thoughts. My only question is: Does Conan know the Mori they are with isn't the real one? and what happened to the maid?? Well, only Ymir knows.

Sep 6, 2022 4:00 PM
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Didn't even notice abt kid i have a long journey to be detective cries
Jan 21, 2023 5:21 PM
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Man... I'm disappointed. I really hoped to see some Kaito Kid vs Kudo, and not some old lady. The beginning of the episode was great but after that uhh. I also wish the bird guy was more on screen, since i think he is somewhat important character in the series(i might be wrong, i think i saw some fanarts of him tho)?  And the plot holes such as Shinichi and Kaito meeting before. Overall the episode was confusing, i think it was okay but.... yeah i just wanted to see more of kaito being kaito
May 31, 2023 10:16 AM
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does anyone have a VA list for this episode? It sounds like they re-used some voice actors for multiple characters.
I know Shinichi shares with Kaito, but it feels like Aoko, Akako, and Keiko also have the same VAs as other characters (my guess is Conan, Haibara, and Ayumi)
Oct 6, 2023 12:42 PM
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Literally plottwist after plottwist, someone mentioned this is half-canon considering that there were many plot-holes. It's not like i didn't like it, but the whole thing about conan being the one to always solve it in the end was kind of boring. I won't lie i thought granny actually died and was kind of sad lol but seeing other smart people in the show was refreshing. It's not really enjoyable when you know the main characters will be ok even if the world exploded for some reason
Jun 2, 2024 1:11 PM
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Wow, new animation style :O
Sep 8, 2024 7:47 AM

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The first appearance of Renya karasuma, the fact he was 99 years old 40 years ago with that insane amount of wealth really tells you in what level of richness that guy was or is he till this day........??
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This episode started being regular and ended like absolute cinema

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