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Sep 23, 2022 6:47 AM
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Or in other words how did she get her time travelling abilities and share her power with Shinpei. I know that Haine's eye split when she killed Ryuunosuke but it was never shown what had happened to that eye once it separated from Haine ?

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even the writer Don't about this why should we? 😂
Sep 23, 2022 7:11 AM
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BiteShot said:
even the writer Don't about this why should we? 😂

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The moment Haine killed her friend's brother unintentionally (Ryuunosuke), she couldn't handle it and expelled a part of herself, that part "eye" is what known as corrupted shadow (different from other Shadows). That is Shadow ushio and now the eye belongs to her, as a manifestation of her growing powers, and have power of loop and all, which is why she could loop. (Which she gave to shinpei in the first episode)

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Sep 23, 2022 7:41 AM
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No point in reasoning.
Sep 23, 2022 7:42 AM
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BiteShot said:
even the writer Don't about this why should we? 😂

^ basically this...

Sep 23, 2022 8:26 AM
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Listen Im not saying the show is bad it is awesome and im gonna rate it 10/10 but Just like any show that messes with time there is a big big GINORMOUS plot hole / paradox
Ushio Went back in time so she could give shinpei the eye and so he could fight the Shadows, said eye was only acquired when Ushio defeated Haine, said victory only happened due to shinpei's help and loops, that help was possible due to him Having the eye.

The start of everything had to be a timeline where Ushio defeated haine on her own, but if she did then there wouldnt be a why involving others, unless she could defeat haine and not shide in the suposed timeline where she beat haine alone
Im honestly waiting 4 it to be explained on Last ep. Wouldnt bet on it tho
Sep 23, 2022 8:32 AM
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No no she IS the eye
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Yup I was wondering too how Ushio was able to time travel and give Shinpei the eye from episode 1. We know that Ushio time travelled at episode 24 but that's when things were solved already and Shide and Hiruko should no longer exist.
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itsrj20 said:
The moment Haine killed her friend's brother unintentionally (Ryuunosuke), she couldn't handle it and expelled a part of herself, that part "eye" is what known as corrupted shadow (different from other Shadows). That is Shadow ushio and now the eye belongs to her, as a manifestation of her growing powers, and have power of loop and all, which is why she could loop. (Which she gave to shinpei in the first episode)

Thanks for explaining!
Arcanerocket said:
No no she IS the eye

She is not the eye.
frenzi said:
Yup I was wondering too how Ushio was able to time travel and give Shinpei the eye from episode 1. We know that Ushio time travelled at episode 24 but that's when things were solved already and Shide and Hiruko should no longer exist.

They exist. All puzzles will be solved in the final episode, I hope.
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itsrj20 said:
The moment Haine killed her friend's brother unintentionally (Ryuunosuke), she couldn't handle it and expelled a part of herself, that part "eye" is what known as corrupted shadow (different from other Shadows). That is Shadow ushio and now the eye belongs to her, as a manifestation of her growing powers, and have power of loop and all, which is why she could loop. (Which she gave to shinpei in the first episode)

Thanks for explaining!

No problem, glad to be of help. ;⁠)
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Memore said:
itsrj20 said:
The moment Haine killed her friend's brother unintentionally (Ryuunosuke), she couldn't handle it and expelled a part of herself, that part "eye" is what known as corrupted shadow (different from other Shadows). That is Shadow ushio and now the eye belongs to her, as a manifestation of her growing powers, and have power of loop and all, which is why she could loop. (Which she gave to shinpei in the first episode)

Thanks for explaining!
Arcanerocket said:
No no she IS the eye

She is not the eye.
frenzi said:
Yup I was wondering too how Ushio was able to time travel and give Shinpei the eye from episode 1. We know that Ushio time travelled at episode 24 but that's when things were solved already and Shide and Hiruko should no longer exist.

They exist. All puzzles will be solved in the final episode, I hope.


She is the eye.
It was that eye shadow that haine expelled that scanned the real ushio and turned into ushio shadow.
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JoaoFxLx said:
Memore said:

Thanks for explaining!

She is not the eye.

They exist. All puzzles will be solved in the final episode, I hope.


She is the eye.
It was that eye shadow that haine expelled that scanned the real ushio and turned into ushio shadow.

Really? It seems I don't pay attention to it. Thanks!
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itsrj20 said:
The moment Haine killed her friend's brother unintentionally (Ryuunosuke), she couldn't handle it and expelled a part of herself, that part "eye" is what known as corrupted shadow (different from other Shadows). That is Shadow ushio and now the eye belongs to her, as a manifestation of her growing powers, and have power of loop and all, which is why she could loop. (Which she gave to shinpei in the first episode)


Summertime Render has been full of contrivances and this serves as another inorganic contrivance that this series makes. But it somehow still blows over the majority of the viewer's head.




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spoiler for episode 20-24. go watch first


if you all confused, remember this, i think in episode 5 where shide first appearance. he said, you had the eye from mother (aka hiruko). which is u can render time but u dont know how to use it perfectly. that why he need to die to loop but is it limited cuz shinpei cannot control how to loop without dying and cant control when to loop, maybe cuz he is a human. unlike ushio, she is a shadow that apparently can control the loop. cuz she is a part of haine. not hiruko okay. there is two, haine a little kid that is a victim of a shadow and hiruko, the mother of shadow who need to kill possibly everyone in the island so she can go back into her world. so remember there is a war right from hiruko memories shown in episode 23, i think that when hiruko change to haine and hide in the old clinic. then hizuru found her years later,become friend, then haine cannot control hiruko anymore cuz they found human again. then instead of hizuru, ryuunosuke die. then hizuru came at perfect timing. haine (the right eye) pop out and the data of ryuunosuke supposed to go to brain i think. but only arrived at the eye. so the data of ryuunosuke is in hizuru body. (idk about the brain thing tho). then haine disappeared. after that, maybe when ushio and mio cleaning the beach, that is when haine found ushio and copy her body. plus every data she had is gone. that why ushio is diff and can overcome hiruko. ushio just dont know that the original of her body is actually haine. basically haine that has no memories disguise as ushio which has memories. kinda hard to explain. then how she got haine eye in ep22, my theory is maybe some of haine memories in hiruko body appear when hiruko get cut off by mio in the cave. so, haine remaining memories and body came together inside ushio. that why hiruko just a baby in episode 23 and 24. cuz every data she get from haine already taken away then, let go back to episode 24, i will not say what happen in 25 cuz i read the manga but if you watch ep 25, then you will know why they do the ending of 24 like that. it like ep 24 is the ending, ep25 is a true ending. okay, so ushio did had the power to control time, which is can go back to the past. if you remember, episode 9, ushio can give data from past to shinpei and sou during shiori and ushio incident but she dont know how to use it, cuz she doesn't know. only ushio and shinpei and hiruko can transfer data, but not other shadow like mio. and if we go back to the shiori incident, somehow shiori (aka hiruko) can touch him, this is because shinpei can go to the past but he doesn't know cuz he cant control by will unlike ushio (from ep24). same as hiruko too but hiruko need the other eye which is shinpei eye (technically ushio eye) to loop and mess with time. but i guess she can mess with data not the real past. same as why shinpei can see ryuu and hizuru past, go back and see the whale memories cuz that is ushio doing. and plus, shinpei can touch haine (before everything happen) cuz he already master it, he can intefere with data like hiruko. so yeah. it is kinda long tho but if you read this u are gigachad. plus if shinpei can control this power, he be stronger than subaru. cuz he can just go to the past and kill subaru before he got the power,
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itsrj20 said:
The moment Haine killed her friend's brother unintentionally (Ryuunosuke), she couldn't handle it and expelled a part of herself, that part "eye" is what known as corrupted shadow (different from other Shadows). That is Shadow ushio and now the eye belongs to her, as a manifestation of her growing powers, and have power of loop and all, which is why she could loop. (Which she gave to shinpei in the first episode)
But doesnt she have only one eye ? How did she give it to shinpei ?
Edit: Also how did she send her recording to Hizuru ?
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SabreDrago said:
itsrj20 said:
The moment Haine killed her friend's brother unintentionally (Ryuunosuke), she couldn't handle it and expelled a part of herself, that part "eye" is what known as corrupted shadow (different from other Shadows). That is Shadow ushio and now the eye belongs to her, as a manifestation of her growing powers, and have power of loop and all, which is why she could loop. (Which she gave to shinpei in the first episode)
But doesnt she have only one eye ? How did she give it to shinpei ?

The eye which poped out from haine later manifested with growth, and already holds the power of loop. Also, remember that it's a part of haine, and it's still a shadow. Shadow can regenerate as you have seen. Now, what ushio gave to shinpei is power of loop (the real eye), while what ushio has hold till now is normal eye. It's a little bit confusing, but try to differentiate it and you'll get it.

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SabreDrago said:
itsrj20 said:
The moment Haine killed her friend's brother unintentionally (Ryuunosuke), she couldn't handle it and expelled a part of herself, that part "eye" is what known as corrupted shadow (different from other Shadows). That is Shadow ushio and now the eye belongs to her, as a manifestation of her growing powers, and have power of loop and all, which is why she could loop. (Which she gave to shinpei in the first episode)
But doesnt she have only one eye ? How did she give it to shinpei ?

you mean ushio? or hiruko? if ushio cuz she had 2 eye, but 1 eye is haine eye, she give her power to shinpei before she die. u can read my latest post to know everything and ask if anything is still dont make sense
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SabreDrago said:
itsrj20 said:
The moment Haine killed her friend's brother unintentionally (Ryuunosuke), she couldn't handle it and expelled a part of herself, that part "eye" is what known as corrupted shadow (different from other Shadows). That is Shadow ushio and now the eye belongs to her, as a manifestation of her growing powers, and have power of loop and all, which is why she could loop. (Which she gave to shinpei in the first episode)
But doesnt she have only one eye ? How did she give it to shinpei ?
Edit: Also how did she send her recording to Hizuru ?


I have the same question.
did ushio live these events before? and she realized she needs shinpei's help? perhaps it was her and Hizuru alone, so she sent Hizuru a voice message when she went back in time?
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At the end, when shadow ushio is about to disappear, she went back and tied all of the lose ends. It's not specifically explained how, but I guess the best assumption is that it's all the eye's power. That message that she left to Hizuru wasn't an actual message, it was a recording on her phone, so her disembodied consciousness did it, or whatever other explanation you feel like, and the dream that shinpei had at the very beginning of the anime is when ushio initially handed the eye and then took it back. As to why there are 2x right eyes, that's because shinpei's eye was given to him only at the very end, to allow the loops to happen, and ushio had the eye... was the eye? up to that point. The whole affair is pretty convoluted, and the author decided to go for "they're parallel world/timelines" explanation to excuse any cause/effect irregularities. The biggest that comes to mind is ushio's body showing up again at the end, and the only explanation I could think of, is that the current timeline is continuously created as the holder of the eyes observes the events happening in it. In which case because shinpei never actually observed events that directly overlap ushio's body emerging on the festival night, that was still an event that was supposed to happen.
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At the end, when shadow ushio is about to disappear, she went back and tied all of the lose ends. It's not specifically explained how, but I guess the best assumption is that it's all the eye's power. That message that she left to Hizuru wasn't an actual message, it was a recording on her phone, so her disembodied consciousness did it, or whatever other explanation you feel like, and the dream that shinpei had at the very beginning of the anime is when ushio initially handed the eye and then took it back. As to why there are 2x right eyes, that's because shinpei's eye was given to him only at the very end, to allow the loops to happen, and ushio had the eye... was the eye? up to that point. The whole affair is pretty convoluted, and the author decided to go for "they're parallel world/timelines" explanation to excuse any cause/effect irregularities. The biggest that comes to mind is ushio's body showing up again at the end, and the only explanation I could think of, is that the current timeline is continuously created as the holder of the eyes observes the events happening in it. In which case because shinpei never actually observed events that directly overlap ushio's body emerging on the festival night, that was still an event that was supposed to happen.
sounds an awful lot like plot convenience
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The moment Haine killed her friend's brother unintentionally (Ryuunosuke), she couldn't handle it and expelled a part of herself, that part "eye" is what known as corrupted shadow (different from other Shadows). That is Shadow ushio and now the eye belongs to her, as a manifestation of her growing powers, and have power of loop and all, which is why she could loop. (Which she gave to shinpei in the first episode)


Summertime Render has been full of contrivances and this serves as another inorganic contrivance that this series makes. But it somehow still blows over the majority of the viewer's head.
@LordSozin you just way to lazy to pay a little attention when watching anime

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That eye was drifting in the island for 14 years and turned into Ushio shadow. The Egg. Then when real Ushio died, the egg created a timeline (main timeline) where she gave Shinpei the eye. When Shinpei and shadow Ushio met, their timelines got evolved. Basically two of the same eyes were in the same timeline. At the end, shadow Ushio (the original right eye) when back and re-rendered the summer after Shinpei changed the past. She then didn’t gave him any eye, but erased his bad memories of all the timelines he had to live through. ❤️ (The series could have shown this, but it left as a curiosity talk for the fans) hope this helps.

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@LordSozin you just way to lazy to pay a little attention when watching anime
@Cyrose. Nah, you're just blinded by the sheer contrivances and mind-numbing exposition dumps that the show makes up to cover its cracks. That's not good writing. That's shit writing. It's not me who didn't give its full attention. It's you who got fooled into thinking that the show was good.

The response you gave above is the perfect example where the show leads the viewers to make stuff up to cover up its contrivances. Summertime Render is terrible at both show-no-tell and lore-heavy exposition dumps. But of course, y'all just eat it right up.
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@Cyrose. Nah, you're just blinded by the sheer contrivances and mind-numbing exposition dumps that the show makes up to cover its cracks. That's not good writing. That's shit writing. It's not me who didn't give its full attention. It's you who got fooled into thinking that the show was good.

The response you gave above is the perfect example where the show leads the viewers to make stuff up to cover up its contrivances. Summertime Render is terrible at both show-no-tell and lore-heavy exposition dumps. But of course, y'all just eat it right up.
@LordSozin you eater hate it , or try to understand it. Of course, it never was necessary, but optional. You choose to hate it bc it is easier. And I understand your point. You believe it is trash, and I completely understand and respect your opinion. I don’t say it is absolutely perfect either. ❤️

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