Sasaki and Miyano
You reckon it’ll actually be good rep?
Yuh
86.3%
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| Too much BL is just gross and homophobic. I want some good rep! Hopefully the fujoshi-feeding will be bearable enough to watch it |
| The manga is pretty wholesome so high hopes for the anime |
  Be happy, boys. I'm the woman in your group. |
Nutella71 said: alexandercritter said: I don't really get what you mean by "Too much BL is just gross and homophobic". Too much of what exactly makes it gross and homophobic? Too much BL is just gross and homophobic. I want some good rep! Hopefully the fujoshi-feeding will be bearable enough to watch it Or "fujoshi-feeding". Fujoshi is an outdated term with negative connotations and nowdays BL fans pretty much sometimes use it as just a synonym for "person who enjoys BL" despite its original meaning (admittedly many people still use it as is because the anime side of BL is progressing at snail speed) Like BL is almost always made for women, not gay men, and that usually causes it to be kinda nasty. Things like consent are way less common, and heterosexual roles are always placed on the two men, so one of them ends up really feminine and girly and submissive to a T. Feminine men are good but they don’t just make feminine men, they tend to make a character that women can put themselves in the place of. I used fujoshi-feeding to describe when BL is clearly just there to be fetishised by certain types of women. These types of women will fetishise gay men, like how types of men fetishise lesbians. :) |
BlackWolfePlayz said: I just hope it actually addresses their sexuality and relationship in a meaningful way. So many BL's follow the "we're two guys but he makes me feel different" thing that annoys the hell out of me. It gets frustrating to watch, so I hope this anime is different. Thank you, exactly this! Even if yaoi is the more problematic one, BL still has its problems that people tend to ignore because “at least it’s not yaoi” |
Zinger_ozi said: You should know between yaoi and bl I know the difference, there are problems within BL that aren’t just to do with 18+ content. Good representation is even more important in BL, but it’s often not well done :/ |
verysaikik said: what is too much bl exactly...? Ah, sorry, I meant too many BL anime are gross and homophobic. As in the number of gross + homophobic BL anime overshadows the number of actually good ones |
| i read a bit of it and it's honestly pretty bad. like most BL. it's a very BL-ish BL - one guy who is writen as the "girl" and the other one who's supposed to be the man. not sure if this answer your question though |
llorando said: i read a bit of it and it's honestly pretty bad. like most BL. it's a very BL-ish BL. not sure if this answer the question yeah that answers the question, thank you! :) ~ I think I'll watch the first episode and if one of the characters is some blushy boy who can be replaced with a girl easily I'll drop it lol |
alexandercritter said: llorando said: i read a bit of it and it's honestly pretty bad. like most BL. it's a very BL-ish BL. not sure if this answer the question yeah that answers the question, thank you! :) ~ I think I'll watch the first episode and if one of the characters is some blushy boy who can be replaced with a girl easily I'll drop it lol haha you answered before i edited my post with more info. but well, it's pretty much this |
llorando said: i read a bit of it and it's honestly pretty bad. like most BL. it's a very BL-ish BL - one guy who is writen as the "girl" and the other one who's supposed to be the man. not sure if this answer your question though I don’t want to come off as biased (though I’ll admit it’s there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) but I’d have to politely disagree with you. While the first few chapters do sort of - lean into this stereotype of BL that you’re describing, Sasamiya is nothing like that. I’d highly suggest reading further than just a bit of it before making a judgement like this. If you do end up reading more and deciding it just reinforces your first opinion then that’s fine but with only a small piece of the story, you really don’t know how Sasamiya negates the BL stereotypes that OP dislikes (imo). So yeah, OP, Sasamiya is incredibly wholesome and doesn’t force either Sasaki or Miyano into the role of “seme” or “uke”, nor does it make Miyano the “girl.” Theyre very clear about this and they have a lot of discussions about sexuality - no one is forced into anything and there is a great deal of care put into developing their relationship as realistically as possible. (Sasamiya is a slow burn fyi, .) It’s by no means perfect but as long as Studio Dean sticks to the manga, you should have no issues with it. Did I mention the author has explicitly stated before that Sasamiya isn’t even technically a BL? So just think of it as any other blossoming romance anime/manga where the two mains just happen to be men. |
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jadedgalaxy said: llorando said: i read a bit of it and it's honestly pretty bad. like most BL. it's a very BL-ish BL - one guy who is writen as the "girl" and the other one who's supposed to be the man. not sure if this answer your question though I don’t want to come off as biased (though I’ll admit it’s there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) but I’d have to politely disagree with you. While the first few chapters do sort of - lean into this stereotype of BL that you’re describing, Sasamiya is nothing like that. I’d highly suggest reading further than just a bit of it before making a judgement like this. If you do end up reading more and deciding it just reinforces your first opinion then that’s fine but with only a small piece of the story, you really don’t know how Sasamiya negates the BL stereotypes that OP dislikes (imo). So yeah, OP, Sasamiya is incredibly wholesome and doesn’t force either Sasaki or Miyano into the role of “seme” or “uke”, nor does it make Miyano the “girl.” Theyre very clear about this and they have a lot of discussions about sexuality - no one is forced into anything and there is a great deal of care put into developing their relationship as realistically as possible. (Sasamiya is a slow burn fyi, .) It’s by no means perfect but as long as Studio Dean sticks to the manga, you should have no issues with it. Did I mention the author has explicitly stated before that Sasamiya isn’t even technically a BL? So just think of it as any other blossoming romance anime/manga where the two mains just happen to be men. hm, well, how do i say it... i just checked on my list and it looks like i've read two volumes, probably what was available back then. i don't feel strong about the series (for better or for worse), i actually don't even remember that much, it's just that i've already read that story countless time. again and again and again and again. and it doesn't really matter what they say when the characters archetypes are the strong, cool, manly senpai and the other one who needs to be protected. it's not "realistic" in the slightest, it's gay fantasy for women. but then again, it IS content intended for women. very few BL can successfuly avoid that trap, from the top of my head i can say the Étranger series and Natsume Ono's BL (or Basso, her pen name for when she writes gay stuff). i found it a pretty mediocre series all around, story and characters and art and paneling, really, nothing stands out. and seeing how long it is i doubt i'll ever pick it up again. |
llorandoNov 3, 2021 7:43 AM
llorando said: jadedgalaxy said: I don’t want to come off as biased (though I’ll admit it’s there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) but I’d have to politely disagree with you. While the first few chapters do sort of - lean into this stereotype of BL that you’re describing, Sasamiya is nothing like that. I’d highly suggest reading further than just a bit of it before making a judgement like this. If you do end up reading more and deciding it just reinforces your first opinion then that’s fine but with only a small piece of the story, you really don’t know how Sasamiya negates the BL stereotypes that OP dislikes (imo). So yeah, OP, Sasamiya is incredibly wholesome and doesn’t force either Sasaki or Miyano into the role of “seme” or “uke”, nor does it make Miyano the “girl.” Theyre very clear about this and they have a lot of discussions about sexuality - no one is forced into anything and there is a great deal of care put into developing their relationship as realistically as possible. (Sasamiya is a slow burn fyi, .) It’s by no means perfect but as long as Studio Dean sticks to the manga, you should have no issues with it. Did I mention the author has explicitly stated before that Sasamiya isn’t even technically a BL? So just think of it as any other blossoming romance anime/manga where the two mains just happen to be men. hm, well, how do i say it... i just checked on my list and it looks like i've read two volumes, probably what was available back then. i don't feel strong about the series (for better or for worse), i actually don't even remember that much, it's just that i've already read that story countless time. again and again and again and again. and it doesn't really matter what they say when the characters archetypes are the strong, cool, manly senpai and the other one who needs to be protected. it's not "realistic" in the slightest, it's gay fantasy for women. but then again, it IS content intended for women. very few BL can successfuly avoid that trap, from the top of my head i can say the Étranger series and Natsume Ono's BL (or Basso, her pen name for when she writes gay stuff). i found it a pretty mediocre series all around, story and characters and art and paneling, really, nothing stands out. and seeing how long it is i doubt i'll ever pick it up again. Well, I suppose it all boils down to a difference of opinions then (lol). Which is completely fair and valid, don’t get me wrong, but I will say, to me, I feel like the fact that Harusono used those character archetypes is actually a strong point of Sasamiyas. Granted, this is from the perspective of someone who has read the entirety of the series and considers it to be their favourite manga so I’ll try to not be too- biased again. So yeah, you’re right - Sasamiya isn’t that original. We’ve all read that story of a “manly (sempai) seme” wooing a “feminine (kohai) uke,” but here’s the thing, neither Sasaki nor Miyano really fall into those categories. My spoiler here kinda spoils to the newer chapters so just be warned before you click on it. I didn’t intend on writing that much and it’s wholly debatable whether or not you, or anyone else, sees it from the same viewpoint as me but I guess it’s just personally how I see the series and what I think it does right. But, it won’t be everyone cup of tea and that’s fine - regardless, for OP, I think all opinions should be shared on the series. Anyway, I guess I just wanted to explain a bit more of why I liked Sasamiya but since you’ve read 2 volumes and the length of it just isn’t something that interests you so be it. I hope this discussion we’ve had helps OP LOL. |
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jadedgalaxy said: llorando said: hm, well, how do i say it... i just checked on my list and it looks like i've read two volumes, probably what was available back then. i don't feel strong about the series (for better or for worse), i actually don't even remember that much, it's just that i've already read that story countless time. again and again and again and again. and it doesn't really matter what they say when the characters archetypes are the strong, cool, manly senpai and the other one who needs to be protected. it's not "realistic" in the slightest, it's gay fantasy for women. but then again, it IS content intended for women. very few BL can successfuly avoid that trap, from the top of my head i can say the Étranger series and Natsume Ono's BL (or Basso, her pen name for when she writes gay stuff). i found it a pretty mediocre series all around, story and characters and art and paneling, really, nothing stands out. and seeing how long it is i doubt i'll ever pick it up again. Well, I suppose it all boils down to a difference of opinions then (lol). Which is completely fair and valid, don’t get me wrong, but I will say, to me, I feel like the fact that Harusono used those character archetypes is actually a strong point of Sasamiyas. Granted, this is from the perspective of someone who has read the entirety of the series and considers it to be their favourite manga so I’ll try to not be too- biased again. So yeah, you’re right - Sasamiya isn’t that original. We’ve all read that story of a “manly (sempai) seme” wooing a “feminine (kohai) uke,” but here’s the thing, neither Sasaki nor Miyano really fall into those categories. My spoiler here kinda spoils to the newer chapters so just be warned before you click on it. I didn’t intend on writing that much and it’s wholly debatable whether or not you, or anyone else, sees it from the same viewpoint as me but I guess it’s just personally how I see the series and what I think it does right. But, it won’t be everyone cup of tea and that’s fine - regardless, for OP, I think all opinions should be shared on the series. Anyway, I guess I just wanted to explain a bit more of why I liked Sasamiya but since you’ve read 2 volumes and the length of it just isn’t something that interests you so be it. I hope this discussion we’ve had helps OP LOL. i could never debate your point since i didn't read the whole thing (and i barely remember what i read anyway). there're stories that really do play like this tho. if i was left with episode 8 Asuka i'd wonder why exactly anyone would ever find her a good character. though i doubt i'd like it even if i catched up with the manga |
| I recommend reading the first three chapters. Might change your mind. |
| I hope it's similar to Given and it explores LGBT relationships in a relatively realistic and thoughtful way. |
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alexandercritter said: Just because a guy can be easily replaced with a girl doesn't mean it's bad- it can still be a realistic relationship. Men can look and act feminine if they so wish.llorando said: i read a bit of it and it's honestly pretty bad. like most BL. it's a very BL-ish BL. not sure if this answer the question yeah that answers the question, thank you! :) ~ I think I'll watch the first episode and if one of the characters is some blushy boy who can be replaced with a girl easily I'll drop it lol |
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llorando said: Try watching Given, easily one of the most realistic BL romance anime out there.jadedgalaxy said: I don’t want to come off as biased (though I’ll admit it’s there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) but I’d have to politely disagree with you. While the first few chapters do sort of - lean into this stereotype of BL that you’re describing, Sasamiya is nothing like that. I’d highly suggest reading further than just a bit of it before making a judgement like this. If you do end up reading more and deciding it just reinforces your first opinion then that’s fine but with only a small piece of the story, you really don’t know how Sasamiya negates the BL stereotypes that OP dislikes (imo). So yeah, OP, Sasamiya is incredibly wholesome and doesn’t force either Sasaki or Miyano into the role of “seme” or “uke”, nor does it make Miyano the “girl.” Theyre very clear about this and they have a lot of discussions about sexuality - no one is forced into anything and there is a great deal of care put into developing their relationship as realistically as possible. (Sasamiya is a slow burn fyi, .) It’s by no means perfect but as long as Studio Dean sticks to the manga, you should have no issues with it. Did I mention the author has explicitly stated before that Sasamiya isn’t even technically a BL? So just think of it as any other blossoming romance anime/manga where the two mains just happen to be men. hm, well, how do i say it... i just checked on my list and it looks like i've read two volumes, probably what was available back then. i don't feel strong about the series (for better or for worse), i actually don't even remember that much, it's just that i've already read that story countless time. again and again and again and again. and it doesn't really matter what they say when the characters archetypes are the strong, cool, manly senpai and the other one who needs to be protected. it's not "realistic" in the slightest, it's gay fantasy for women. but then again, it IS content intended for women. very few BL can successfuly avoid that trap, from the top of my head i can say the Étranger series and Natsume Ono's BL (or Basso, her pen name for when she writes gay stuff). i found it a pretty mediocre series all around, story and characters and art and paneling, really, nothing stands out. and seeing how long it is i doubt i'll ever pick it up again. |
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alexandercritter said: Nutella71 said: I don't really get what you mean by "Too much BL is just gross and homophobic". Too much of what exactly makes it gross and homophobic? Or "fujoshi-feeding". Fujoshi is an outdated term with negative connotations and nowdays BL fans pretty much sometimes use it as just a synonym for "person who enjoys BL" despite its original meaning (admittedly many people still use it as is because the anime side of BL is progressing at snail speed) Like BL is almost always made for women, not gay men, and that usually causes it to be kinda nasty. Things like consent are way less common, and heterosexual roles are always placed on the two men, so one of them ends up really feminine and girly and submissive to a T. Feminine men are good but they don’t just make feminine men, they tend to make a character that women can put themselves in the place of. I used fujoshi-feeding to describe when BL is clearly just there to be fetishised by certain types of women. These types of women will fetishise gay men, like how types of men fetishise lesbians. :) I just wanted to put in my two cents that as a semi feminine guy It's really amazing that BL always allows me to self insert. But I agree there should be more diversity among the types of men featured. |
| Really astonishing to see such nonsense takes but not really surprising considering this always come from westerners or overtly sensitive twitter people who can't separate fiction from reality and always have to get offended even if something caters to their tastes. This is an lighthearted Fictional Anime that's made for people who want to enjoy this genre. Not every single piece of Fiction is supposed to somehow change everyone's perception about an issue or be some kind of an big social message that's supposed to mirror reality. |
kamehahahaJan 24, 2022 1:59 AM
crittercryptid said: verysaikik said: what is too much bl exactly...? Ah, sorry, I meant too many BL anime are gross and homophobic. As in the number of gross + homophobic BL anime overshadows the number of actually good ones Yeah sadly a lot of BL is that way, especially some that have been adapted too! Thankfully this isn't anything like that, it's really really sweet and wholesome tbh- just something to enjoy! This is one of my favorite mangas, and hopefully they adapt it well |
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crittercryptid said: i recommed you read blue flag, and kyuugo works in general..especially acid town and houtou musoko to koi no ana. you will see the difference. so far this isnt really good as a bl in my book(typical if you ask me)Too much BL is just gross and homophobic. I want some good rep! Hopefully the fujoshi-feeding will be bearable enough to watch it |
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_Maneki-Neko_ said: But it's a sweet little show that could have been more by don't making Miyano too uke-like imo. But okay, he actively talks about that and it's part of the joke of the series. I actually like that Miyano looks girly, I appreciate the story much more for going in a direction in which Miyano learns that looking/acting feminine doesn't make him less of a guy, than the show completely denying feminine-looking guys exist. |
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