| The score is pretty good though it dropped a lot as you said 7-8 is the average score and most of viewers rated it that only so it's not that much of a surprise.. |
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OofSeaRchGoo-Kun said: I'm an anime only watcher and i didn't touched the source material (Visual Novel) at all... It was a pretty good ending tho in my opinion maybe 7-8 score for me... I think the reason why the score dropped is because it didn't meet the expectations or it was rushed(?)... What do you think? Gee, I wonder why? Tbh, read my review, or any of the other reviews. Youll see why. |
OofSeaRchGoo-Kun said: because it was a garbage series? 90% literally reused footage and shit rushed bad illogical ending? I'm an anime only watcher and i didn't touched the source material (Visual Novel) at all... It was a pretty good ending tho in my opinion maybe 7-8 score for me... I think the reason why the score dropped is because it didn't meet the expectations or it was rushed(?)... What do you think? |
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OofSeaRchGoo-Kun said: If you read the forum threads, you'd know.I'm an anime only watcher and i didn't touched the source material (Visual Novel) at all... It was a pretty good ending tho in my opinion maybe 7-8 score for me... I think the reason why the score dropped is because it didn't meet the expectations or it was rushed(?)... What do you think? For Tl;Dr, how 'bout checking the reviews. The Average of the top4 reviews represents the true score more often than the actual score. And it being a 3 instead of a 7 is indeed more close to the truth. |
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| Because the long time fans didn't like it. It would've been impossible to make an ending everyone liked, so naturally it dropped. |
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| I still enjoyed it, but truthfully, they spent a lot of time on unnecessary recaps when the answers were obvious after Gou explained how everything worked, and then rushed the actual conclusion and character development. Taking a long time to get back to the gun scene just made people expect more out of it all and they obviously couldn't deliver with just two episodes. |
| The score is way too high for this. |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
| Low? It doesnt deserve a 7 |
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| 7 is a low rating, everyone. Y'all get that? We must raise it to 8, then, yeah? Ffs |
| For some quick bullet points to throw in in addition, how about: - There was no real Mystery in a series which lists Mystery as its first and chief genre. By the end of Gou, the audience already knew who did it, basically how they did it (and any more information about how was completely omitted and cut away from), and why they did it. The season began with no mystery to the situation. - A cliffhanger on the gun scene left from late January to late September of 2021. 8 months and when returned to, the scene ends in five seconds. - Rena, Keiichi, Mion, and Shion reduced to props with zero importance to the story to focus on Rika and Satoko. But then Rika is not a POV character for the vast majority of Sotsu and Satoko's "character development" is just flashing red eyes and "I hate studying!" over and over ad nauseum - The season literally didn't need to exist, even moreso than the sequel as a whole didn't need to exist. Two or three episodes tacked on to the end of Gou was all you needed. A few episode OVA of this entire story like Rei and Kira was really all you needed to begin with. - Rei with Saikoroshi-hen lends more depth and weight to the plot and characters in the span of 3 episodes than Gou/Sotsu accomplishes in 39. - The writing was insultingly bad and shallow. The dialogue was just f'ing stupid and inane and didn't portray the scope of the possible plot or situation. Everything was left at a dumbed down surface level - The direction was amateurish compared to Chiaki Kon's work on the first two seasons which is an S-tier stellar masterpiece in general but even moreso by comparison - They somehow managed the virtually impossible of making it feel insultingly and comically both dragged out and rushed. - Recaps, reused footage with nothing of value added while doing it. - Absent, no impact OST for literally 90% of the season until the last two or three episodes - Something really rubs me the wrong way about how they montage characters in the ending like Dr. Irie, Tomitake, Takano, Satoshi, and Okonogi who obviously had absolutely nowhere near the presence or importance to this story as in the original seasons because it's not really meant for new viewers even if deceptively presented as otherwise. It seems very underhanded and deceitful, because new viewers would have no real frame of understanding any emotional connection to these characters that are just shoehorned in here for the sake of cameos. There's so much honestly. But you can sum it up in three words: 1.) Writing 2.) Direction 3.) Planning |
WatchTillTandavaOct 1, 2021 5:21 PM
| people do not like cashgrabs, when they hype it as "the new season" and the continuation then it's stupid school fights and recaps people will naturally give it a low score, that's what happens when you open a closed story |
| #justise for koalas |
| cus of all the recap trash + the battle shounen stuff at the end, I thought it was a pretty fun ride despite that all but i would not consider it to be quality writing. however, i still can't hate satoko or rika at all, i don't feel like their characters were assassinated like many think, rather they were enhanced (except for the satoko studying stuff, which i believe isn't the reason but the anime really tried to push the stupid reasoning). so yeah, it's an abomination, but an enjoyable one at that. i'd give it a 1/10 critically, but a 5 for enjoyment value |
| studio decided to simplify the story of Higurashi because they realized what they picked wasn't something basic. |
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OofSeaRchGoo-Kun said: I'm an anime only watcher and i didn't touched the source material (Visual Novel) at all... It was a pretty good ending tho in my opinion maybe 7-8 score for me... I think the reason why the score dropped is because it didn't meet the expectations or it was rushed(?)... What do you think? Even if you like ending, you must also take note of the entire anime, how many times do we see the same scenes, bad logic, predictable plot, unrealistic victory of hanyuu against eua, etc. etc. etc. 7/10 is just too high |
| I'm learn english, sorry for the mistakes |
| It was like 7.7 - 7.8 until the final episode. People were disappointed with how the series progressed. To me, episodes 1-13 of Sotsu was just Gou but in a clearer and more complete perspective and we know who the villains are this time. The worst one of all is how did Satoko get away with the crimes she committed? There was no redemption arc for her and when she and Rika were fighting, they just talked about their time in St. Lucia but ignored Satoko's severe crimes during her looping in Hinamizawa. The ending is better than the original ending from Matsuribayashi-hen though but without a real Satoko redemption arc, it kinda feels empty and hollow since she was just "forgiven" and her crimes ignored. I admit, I did enjoy the DBZ-style fight scene but it does seem so silly and unnecessary but the answer arcs in Higurashi tends to have a touch of shounen in them. |
| TBH, with how many MAL users rate things, 7 on MAL is pretty shit. Many rate series from 7-10. Others give a 10 to anything that even had a single good scene(usually the ending). Anything below a 6 is in danger of creating a singularity with how bad it actually is. |
| The recap scenes and the mainstream shounen fight scene. The power of friendship still sucked ass. |
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xJc1 said: If I remember everything correctly.It was like 7.7 - 7.8 until the final episode. People were disappointed with how the series progressed. After the first episode(s) it rised above 8, and from there on it kept dropping every week. And on ep 14, it had finally dropped to 7.48, from where after the final, it went from 7,48 -> 7,11 in single night. And now it's at 7.00 People weren't just disappointed with the ending (last 2 eps), they were disappointed throughout the series. The drastic drop on the very end only suggests a huge number of people actually only then rated it. |
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Hulio said: People weren't just disappointed with the ending (last 2 eps), they were disappointed throughout the series. The drastic drop on the very end only suggests a huge number of people actually only then rated it. Yes, this. I was disappointed essentially from the beginning (as well as in Gou, albeit to a tamer degree), but I don't rate any season of anything ever until I've finished it in full; no exceptions. |
WatchTillTandava said: I think it's about 50/50 to me. Sometimes I just wait until the end, but sometimes when the show just does something... meaningful, and I have more or less the gist of what the whole season will be like, I might start rating it earlier.Yes, this. I was disappointed essentially from the beginning (as well as in Gou, albeit to a tamer degree), but I don't rate any season of anything ever until I've finished it in full; no exceptions. That being said, if I rate something midseason as 7 or 8, they're never going to be 10's, nor would they drop below 5 (unless something very shitty happens for several episodes) Sotsu for example I started with 4 pretty early, as I knew it won't be much higher anyway, but to my surprise, it ended up as 1. |
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Hulio said: I think it's about 50/50 to me. Sometimes I just wait until the end, but sometimes when the show just does something... meaningful, and I have more or less the gist of what the whole season will be like, I might start rating it earlier. That being said, if I rate something midseason as 7 or 8, they're never going to be 10's, nor would they drop below 5 (unless something very shitty happens for several episodes) Sotsu for example I started with 4 pretty early, as I knew it won't be much higher anyway, but to my surprise, it ended up as 1. That's understandable. I can get why people rate earlier even if I have my own system. Although the one thing that really annoys me is when people rate a series with a 10 or 1 after one episode or even part of the first episode after dropping it. I just don't think such scores can be considered as legitimate. I have to say though, some of you guys on the sub-forum are making me feel like Santa Claus as of late with my 4/10 for Sotsu... |
| [quote=WatchTillTandava message=64568222Although the one thing that really annoys me is when people rate a series with a 10 or 1 after one episode or even part of the first episode after dropping it. I just don't think such scores can be considered as legitimate.[/quote]Yeah, that is definitely a fault on this site. Sotsu began, and ep 1 the vast majority had rated it 10/10, like come on. I have to say though, some of you guys on the sub-forum are making me feel like Santa Claus as of late with my 4/10 for Sotsu... And they said Santa Clauses didn't exist o_oI personally rate according to the MAL's intended scale: 10 - Masterpiece, 7 - Good 4 - Bad. And to me, Sotsu def isn't just "bad". |
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Hulio said: I personally rate according to the MAL's intended scale: 10 - Masterpiece, 7 - Good 4 - Bad. And to me, Sotsu def isn't just "bad". I think just the vision for the entire project and how it was executed from start to finish when I think of what could have been is what upsets me most. I'm mostly just...upset and confused - even though I'm not actually confused about what is bad about it and all the bad decisions leading up to now, I'm emotionally confused and conflicted. It's strange because I knew in logical terms from the outset that it was at worst going to be an inferior remake which I wouldn't even have any interest in watching, at best be an inferior sequel like everything post-Kai, which I would watch regardless of length or quality. I had given Kira a 3 (and since upgraded to a 5 in retrospect) so it wasn't like I was unfamiliar with much lesser sequels (although a non-canonical and much shorter OVA that's basically just for fun is held to a different standard for obvious reasons). Sequels even close to par with the original is rare, in anime and every medium. Sequels being greater than the original is akin to a unicorn. At the end of the day, 51 wonderful episodes of a fully concluded and cohesive story is more than we get from most anime series. Especially for those of us who hold the original seasons in high esteem and rate them with an 8, 9, or 10, what more can you really expect or ask for after that? It's already far above the curve and everything which comes after it is almost guaranteed to be just bonus filler, fanservice, parody, or a serious attempt at a sequel or remake which has very low chances of not being monumentally inferior and disappointing in tone and execution. Because it's rare they can just create something out of thin air and force it that wasn't to be to an already successfully and satisfyingly concluded story and not have it feel like a hollow imitation milking the legacy of a greater predecessor. I guess I'm confused because in many ways I'm disgusted and angry enough to want to give it a 1, but I'd love nothing more than want to and be able to give it a 9 or a 10. I just feel bad giving a full length Higurashi season less than a 4; I feel like it will more bitterly stick out in my mind or something like that. More than anything, I suppose what I don't understand is why I actually feel as upset and emotionally drained over the outcome as I do when I already have one of my all-time top favorite series untouched and ready to revisit at any time (it's not like this sequel makes all the digital copies and DVDs of the original disappear or something) and I already easily and lucidly predicted the underwhelming trajectory before it started. This is the problem, I think due to psychological investment in the world and characters? There are whole series I think are equally bad or even worse than this season, but they don't sadden me as much? I just think of them as a failure and intellectual curiosity, rate them, and move on without lingering attachment. I didn't comment actively on the Gou or Sotsu sub-forums as much as initially envisioned due to a few factors (mostly offline issues), but I watched every week, was lost in thought often, and read, and after a year I just feel so exhausted following this whole experiment. |
| Why would Ryukishi07 go with such a ridiculous fanfic extension that ends up not only recontextualize the original show, but end up solving nothing at all, other than wanting a few more bucks and then some? All that one winds up seeing is a lesbian drama coupled with goofy looking gore. If it’s intentionally connecting Higurashi to Umineko, then it was doing so very haphazardly and it mattered not in the end. |
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WatchTillTandava said: That's fine for GOU, but I wouldn't exactly call Sotsu a full length season when it was like 50% recap o_oI just feel bad giving a full length Higurashi season less than a 4 |
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| Cause Sotsu dropped the ball hard with everything Gou setup. 90% of this show is spent giving us answer arcs to what happened in Gou, but we already know who's behind everything. It makes the anime a slog, and we don't get to the cliffhanger set up in Gou till episode freaking 14. Then we get some anime battle BS coupled with a cop out ending. |
| cause it's trash that should never have been made |
| Still too high. :( |
Hulio said: The Average of the top4 reviews represents the true score more often than the actual score. That is literally never the case. 90% of MAL reviews are trashy cries for attention. |
Rojaseb said: Do give some examples, you can probably easily give several considering the 90%.Hulio said: The Average of the top4 reviews represents the true score more often than the actual score. That is literally never the case. 90% of MAL reviews are trashy cries for attention. Personally I've been here quite long, and have seen quite a few animes. Comparing the scores, the top reviews are the most accurate way of determining any kind of score. Comparing the scores GOU's 7,25 -> 5,5 and Sotsu's 6,98 -> 3 The numerical scores are a joke, review scores often makes a LOT more sense. Unless ofc, you're now trying to say how GouSotsu is underrated, then that makes your stance crystal clear. |
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| Because this is a series that was made for no one at all. Fans of Higurashi won't enjoy it, because it butchers not only what made the story of Higurashi great, but also the characters themselves. Newcomers won't enjoy it, because it's not meant to be an entry point for people who have never watched Higurashi before. It's just a soulless cashgrab that didn't understand the work they tried to expand upon. I'm using "expand" quite loosely, because I can't say with how much they recapped and gutted things, that it's "expanding" the lore. |
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Avicebrons said: Because this is a series that was made for no one at all. Fans of Higurashi won't enjoy it, because it butchers not only what made the story of Higurashi great, but also the characters themselves. Newcomers won't enjoy it, because it's not meant to be an entry point for people who have never watched Higurashi before. It's just a soulless cashgrab that didn't understand the work they tried to expand upon. I'm using "expand" quite loosely, because I can't say with how much they recapped and gutted things, that it's "expanding" the lore. I know that there are a few yuri fans who watched it well... For the Sake of Yuri. They didn't really get anything from this either. Umineko Fans end up the most disappointed, at least the ones who are aware that 'Memoirs of Lambdadelta' exists that points to Lambda not being Satoko. So this entire thing becomes Rika and Satoko screwing around with no real relation to Umineko except Eua(I'll get into why later) Ciconia fans (the scarce few that exists) get references that they don't understand or can't put together because Phase 2,3 and 4 is not out. |
ChargecoulombOct 5, 2021 12:57 PM
| Eua has something interesting though. Evem though it's a small detail. When she gets turned into a Loli she starts saying Auau like Hanyuu. Now this is interesting. Cause Bern calls Featherine Auau. So I could see why someone / Bern would call Eua Auau. Maybe Eua is just Featherine. Kinda makes sense considering that Hanyuu is not directly Featherine, but Eua probably is. |
Chargecoulomb said: I am ready to refuse Eua=Featherine more than Satoko=Lambda.Eua has something interesting though. Evem though it's a small detail. When she gets turned into a Loli she starts saying Auau like Hanyuu. Now this is interesting. Cause Bern calls Featherine Auau. So I could see why someone / Bern would call Eua Auau. Maybe Eua is just Featherine. Kinda makes sense considering that Hanyuu is not directly Featherine, but Eua probably is. |
Si1verR0se said: Chargecoulomb said: Eua has something interesting though. Evem though it's a small detail. When she gets turned into a Loli she starts saying Auau like Hanyuu. Now this is interesting. Cause Bern calls Featherine Auau. So I could see why someone / Bern would call Eua Auau. Maybe Eua is just Featherine. Kinda makes sense considering that Hanyuu is not directly Featherine, but Eua probably is. Here's the thing: Featherine AUgustus AUrora I won't be surprised if this "Auaurora" end up just being a reference with no real connection to Hanyu. The issue with this is that Featherine's interactions with Bern make little sense if she isn't tied to Hanyuu in a direct way. The Lambda/Bern interactions work surprisingly well with the backstory given in Gou/Sotsu, from the larger ones, like how Bern's references to being tortured by Lambda and her being a girl she could understand now are much more direct, without needing some kind of abstract layer around those descriptions, even down to small character bits like Bern greeting her with a Gokigenyo that gets ignored or Bern commenting on how Lambda gets lonely easily, but the Bern/Featherine ties really make -less- sense after Gou/Sotsu. Without direct continuity between Hanyuu and Featherine a lot of their interactions are just odd, like when Bern blames her for what sounds like Saikoroshi or when Featherine talks like she has been around Bern for longer than anyone else. Or even Bern sticking around her in spite of clearly being annoyed by her, like being her (former) miko and then becoming her miko again. Of course, Gou/Sotsu still had the whole "lesser part of me" and "my failure" bits of interaction between Hanyuu and Eua, so it's not like it denied their connection, but it never elaborated on that and effectively treated them separately (it's even odder when you look back at Gou and how the Hanyuu we're following here was a "lingering fragment of Hanyuu" who several times referenced the original Hanyuu in third person, but in Sotsu that's all ignored and she's just "Hanyuu"). Sometimes I wonder if the whole "Hanyuu survives her apparent sacrifice and confronts Eua" wasn't just something added as fanservice for Hanyuu fans since she is getting a figure. It's really weird because Hanyuu vs Eua really has no point plot-wise. The story's resolution had nothing to do with that confrontation and after it we don't even get a reunion between Hanyuu and Rika. |
NeonDZOct 7, 2021 6:29 AM
| Sotsugou Rika=Bern makes little sense if Saikoroshi is canon and Bern has separated from Rika. We basically have Lambda-Satoko(if it even is that) torturing a random Rika. If Bern came to the rescue at some point that makes Saikoroshi pointless as well. |
ssjokg said: Sotsugou Rika=Bern makes little sense if Saikoroshi is canon and Bern has separated from Rika. We basically have Lambda-Satoko(if it even is that) torturing a random Rika. If Bern came to the rescue at some point that makes Saikoroshi pointless as well. I initially thought they were just retconning Saikoroshi, but then they included a quick flashback to the hospital scene in Sotsu, and it even apparently was the last time Hanyuu talked with Rika before vanishing/Gou's events. I guess with Gou/Sotsu's events Rika was just in denial at that point. She decided to live her one life as a human and make the most out of it, thus not compromising on Satoko/St.Lucia, but that entire direction for her life was defined by the loops (running away from the pain she associates with Hinamizawa). Then she's dragged back to them anyway. When she talks with Hanyuu in Nekodamashi she already told her that just another victory like before would be pointless, which kind of set up going in the opposite direction of her original character development and fully accepting becoming an eternal existence. |
NeonDZOct 7, 2021 10:02 AM
NeonDZ said: That doesnt answer the problem.ssjokg said: Sotsugou Rika=Bern makes little sense if Saikoroshi is canon and Bern has separated from Rika. We basically have Lambda-Satoko(if it even is that) torturing a random Rika. If Bern came to the rescue at some point that makes Saikoroshi pointless as well. I initially thought they were just retconning Saikoroshi, but then they included a quick flashback to the hospital scene in Sotsu, and it even apparently was the last time Hanyuu talked with Rika before vanishing/Gou's events. I guess with Gou/Sotsu's events Rika was just in denial at that point. She decided to live her one life as a human and make the most out of it, thus not compromising on Satoko/St.Lucia, but that entire direction for her life was defined by the loops (running away from the pain she associates with Hinamizawa). Then she's dragged back to them anyway. When she talks with Hanyuu in Nekodamashi she already told her that just another victory like before would be pointless, which kind of set up going in the opposite direction of her original character development and fully accepting becoming an eternal existence. Bern and Rika are supposed to become separate entities at that point. It isnt just a "phase" that Rika discards. And if it is just a phase, or her real face, unlike her little Rika facade....that isnt a witch. "Oh I am a witch now" just doesnt cut it as an explanation. And if as a Witch she has so much power why didnt she use it before?Why was there a reset limit in the og?Why were her memories blocked(for her sake yes but didnt see that causing shit in Sotsu),IF she can get super powers and fly, punch others to different kakera etc why didnt she use them in the OG? Back to Umineko, Beatrice . Is Higurashi just a gameboard? Well that makes the OG trivial. Why should I care how pieces feel? So yes Rika and Satoko being pretentious af at the train and Satoko putting all the blame on a invisible witch makes more sense than sudden control by a witch. |
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