| I don't know about you guys but, I after the last couple episodes of Gou I started hating Satoko I mean all the crap that has been happening is started because of her own selfishness |
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| I used to dislike her. I think she's way more fun to watch now than when she was annoying people with her stupid traps. |
 Life is a despicable endurance race |
| Having already watched the entire of the original Higurashi, nein. |
| Satoko totally went full yandere villain and at this point seems to be beyond redemption What she is doing is completely selfish and even managed to severe the bond she had with other cast members. |
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| Satoko is a genius >:D |
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| No, but nor did I ever hate Miyo Takano, Teppei Houjou, Takagi Nomura, Okonogi, etc. To me, Higurashi has always been about how countless, practically infinite circumstances and variables can lead up to a person deciding anything or becoming the way that they are. |
| Satoko never was my favorite character in the Deen version, but when I read the VNs she became a lot more relatable. But this new one... pls no. I don't even know what I hate at this point, is it what Satoko has become or what they're doing with her character. |
         Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
| yep. Ever since higurashi gou's second half |
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| I only hate the Satoko from Sotsu. |
| y'all should watch haibane renmei |
| both rika and Satoko are selfish in this situation rika for putting her friend into a situation and refusing to listen to her and insisting that satoko go with her and satoko on her dependency on rika so hating just Satoko for this is kinda short sighted. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
hazarddex said: Hmm yes, hating psychopathic serial killers is extremely short sighted indeed and totally not normal.both rika and Satoko are selfish in this situation rika for putting her friend into a situation and refusing to listen to her and insisting that satoko go with her and satoko on her dependency on rika so hating just Satoko for this is kinda short sighted. Funny how you think this way, and then looking at your signature, it's pretty much the opposite. "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others (Satoko). And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others (Rika)." |
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
| I hate seeing her take advantage of Teppei's strong moral character and unyielding pureness of heart, but as a villain I enjoy her, and I don't think she's out of character. She has always a devious trickster who delighted in mayhem, who has a naturally arrogant and antagonistic way of speaking, so she fits nicely into the villain boots. |
| Shoot first, think never. |
Hulio said: hazarddex said: Hmm yes, hating psychopathic serial killers is extremely short sighted indeed and totally not normal.both rika and Satoko are selfish in this situation rika for putting her friend into a situation and refusing to listen to her and insisting that satoko go with her and satoko on her dependency on rika so hating just Satoko for this is kinda short sighted. Funny how you think this way, and then looking at your signature, it's pretty much the opposite. "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others (Satoko). And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others (Rika)." you clearly don't understand that quote if that's what you think since the context for that is to point out that there is no "wrong side." also literally the quote under that “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| Pff. I hate her and I hope she wil be properly beasten at the end. But I still find her way more entertaining mastermind than Takano. |
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hazarddex said: So you're saying that as long as you suffer, spreading it to others and avoiding giving it to others are equal? ._.Hulio said: Hmm yes, hating psychopathic serial killers is extremely short sighted indeed and totally not normal. Funny how you think this way, and then looking at your signature, it's pretty much the opposite. "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others (Satoko). And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others (Rika)." you clearly don't understand that quote if that's what you think since the context for that is to point out that there is no "wrong side." also literally the quote under that “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” If not, then it works. Sure I don't know the context and it may mean something different with the said context. But it's not much of a quote if you need to know the context in order to avoid the obvious "misinterpretation". Then the next Quote. Satoko gave up on Rika Satoko considers Rika as a lost cause and is removing her path to salvation. I wonder if Satoko is turning her evil. |
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| In the older anime I liked her but after finishing Gou she's the reason I'm hesitant to start the newest season. |
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Hulio said: hazarddex said: So you're saying that as long as you suffer, spreading it to others and avoiding giving it to others are equal? ._.you clearly don't understand that quote if that's what you think since the context for that is to point out that there is no "wrong side." also literally the quote under that “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” If not, then it works. Sure I don't know the context and it may mean something different with the said context. But it's not much of a quote if you need to know the context in order to avoid the obvious "misinterpretation". Then the next Quote. Satoko gave up on Rika Satoko considers Rika as a lost cause and is removing her path to salvation. I wonder if Satoko is turning her evil. Don't forget Rika gave up on satako first at high school and several times before that when she refused to hear satako out. Satakos actions might be selfish but rikas actions were just as selfish. Also let me point out that it wasn't long ago many of you though satakos uncle was irredeemable in Kai and the first season. Same with miyo. Higurashi hass a point where most suffering happens from misunderstandings or previous trauma. Another major point is redemption and change. |
GrimAtramentAug 14, 2021 11:36 AM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: Hulio said: So you're saying that as long as you suffer, spreading it to others and avoiding giving it to others are equal? ._. If not, then it works. Sure I don't know the context and it may mean something different with the said context. But it's not much of a quote if you need to know the context in order to avoid the obvious "misinterpretation". Then the next Quote. Satoko gave up on Rika Satoko considers Rika as a lost cause and is removing her path to salvation. I wonder if Satoko is turning her evil. Don't forget Rika gave up on satako first at high school and several times before that when she refused to hear satako out. Satakos actions might be selfish but rikas actions were just as selfish. Also let me point out that it wasn't long ago many of you though satakos uncle was irredeemable in Kai and the first season. Same with miyo. Higurashi hass a point where most suffering happens from misunderstandings or previous trauma. Another major point is redemption and change. wdym that Rika is just as selfish, Rika offered Satoko Help but she refused it and even then she had the Audacity to blame Rika |
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PinkShibaInu said: hazarddex said: Higurashi hass a point where most suffering happens from misunderstandings or previous trauma. I still think Teppei is irredeemable. Teppei thinking about taking advantage of Satoko isn't a misunderstanding. Takano killing Rika's mother isn't as if she had to, it's not as if all abused orphans reach this point and looking back now Takano went too far with rather weak motives just like Satoko (which is probably why R07 tried copping out she had HS.) I don't remember anything bad happening to Rina, isn't she just an asshole for the sake of it right? At least until she fears being punished for it. I don't side with Rika but it's not like Satoko is her responsibility 24/7, Satoko is goddamn almost 18 by the time she snapped originally. Also I don't agree with Satoko's actions in the slightest either. A lot of Satoko's doing is by her own choice willingly. Should we all be responsible for friends who lose their goddamn minds? You can feel that way if you want to. actually to correct you the anime didn't show it but the orphanage went well past just "abuse." they actually killed many of the children. Including many of takanos close friends. you can find it in the VN and manga. my main point is that rika doesn't want to listen to satoko and satoko doesn't know how to be independent of rika it's somthing that was never resolved. Rika insisted that Satoko go with her because she thought that is what's best for her. satoko who still depends on Shion, rika and others and due to the events of her uncle in the original timeline never happening because he got killed by gangsters in the kai timeline. never learned to stand up for herself. do to this satoko feels trapped between the choices of losing her only support or ending up living a terrible highschool life. I also don't completely buy the "doesn't have HS anymore." some one with cancer can not have symptoms for years, but still show up later in life. especially when it flipped so quickly form "she can never be cured" to "she's cured now lol." Satoko needs to learn to act without needed others. which is something she might learn from all this. Rina got killed in the kai timeline aswell. @Drixxeric saying and doing are two separate things. for example i have a grandmother who is nearly 90 shes often stubborn/prideful so I don't "offer." to help them when they are clearly struggling. I just do it. those two actions are different. however i digress what i meant by selfishness is also it's selfish of her to continue to ask satako to go with her when satako clearly expressed she doesn't want to go. if your friend is currently happy where they live what right do you have to continue to ask them to leave with you? just incase you are wondering I don't think either rika or satako are "right." in this situation. as no right side existed in the first place with this conflict. |
GrimAtramentAug 14, 2021 12:18 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| OG Satoko? No. She is my least favorite but I dont hate her. GouSotsu Satoko? Hate her with passion. |
| @hazarddex Well you have a point with the difference of offering and doing but what I'm trying to say is Satoko had the Audacity to blame Rika after she clearly declined help from her like lets say I'm on a state that is in need of desperate help and a friend offers to help me multiple times, but I declined his offer again and again so he didn't help me since I declined his offer by that point everything lies on me if something were to happen to myself just because I declined help, no one is to blame but myself But Satoko on the other hand just blamed Rika |
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Drixxeric said: @hazarddex Well you have a point with the difference of offering and doing but what I'm trying to say is Satoko had the Audacity to blame Rika after she clearly declined help from her like lets say I'm on a state that is in need of desperate help and a friend offers to help me multiple times, but I declined his offer again and again so he didn't help me since I declined his offer by that point everything lies on me if something were to happen to myself just because I declined help, no one is to blame but myself But Satoko on the other hand just blamed Rika both are wrong in this situation Rika took Satoko to a school where anyone could blatantly realize she would not fit in or do well with. just because she didn't want to go without satoko. and satoko due to inferiority complex doesn't know how to be independent or ask for help properly. here is where the problem is. with your analogy. if a friend of yours took you to a place event game etc. with the promise that they would help you. then never did any of that form there own volition, but they did make a promise thus making you there responsibility. Never make half hearted promised that you don't make an effort to keep. which is what satako even pointed out in the 3rd loop. when she asked rika if she wanted to stay there with her or go to the school. rika refused and said she wanted both which fyi is selfish. thus with i choose to say both are selfish actions. neither Rika and Satoko are thinking about the other. both want what's best for themselves. which is a reoccurring theme in higurashi for tragedy. just like shion went on a rampage out of selfish jealousy just takano's selfish desire to prove her grandfathers research without thought to others. just like Keichi's selfishly demanding to know everything about his friends history including painful memories in the first arc. just like Rena's father selfishly taking a girlfriends without asking his daughter what she thought. |
GrimAtramentAug 14, 2021 12:32 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: Drixxeric said: @hazarddex Well you have a point with the difference of offering and doing but what I'm trying to say is Satoko had the Audacity to blame Rika after she clearly declined help from her like lets say I'm on a state that is in need of desperate help and a friend offers to help me multiple times, but I declined his offer again and again so he didn't help me since I declined his offer by that point everything lies on me if something were to happen to myself just because I declined help, no one is to blame but myself But Satoko on the other hand just blamed Rika both are wrong in this situation Rika took Satoko to a school where anyone could blatantly realize she would not fit in or do well with. just because she didn't want to go without satoko. and satoko due to inferiority complex doesn't know how to be independent or ask for help properly. here is where the problem is. with your analogy. if a friend of yours took you to a place event game etc. with the promise that they would help you. then never did any of that form there own volition, but they did make a promise thus making you there responsibility. Never make half hearted promised that you don't make an effort to keep. which is what satako even pointed out in the 3rd loop. when she asked rika if she wanted to stay there with her or go to the school. rika refused and said she wanted both which fyi is selfish. thus with i choose to say both are selfish actions. neither Rika and Satoko are thinking about the other. both want what's best for themselves. which is a reoccurring theme in higurashi for tragedy. Well you're not wrong when you said that both of them are at fault but I'll just point out that Rika didn't forced Satoko to join her in the school, she only insisted and Satoko had every right to decline |
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Drixxeric said: hazarddex said: both are wrong in this situation Rika took Satoko to a school where anyone could blatantly realize she would not fit in or do well with. just because she didn't want to go without satoko. and satoko due to inferiority complex doesn't know how to be independent or ask for help properly. here is where the problem is. with your analogy. if a friend of yours took you to a place event game etc. with the promise that they would help you. then never did any of that form there own volition, but they did make a promise thus making you there responsibility. Never make half hearted promised that you don't make an effort to keep. which is what satako even pointed out in the 3rd loop. when she asked rika if she wanted to stay there with her or go to the school. rika refused and said she wanted both which fyi is selfish. thus with i choose to say both are selfish actions. neither Rika and Satoko are thinking about the other. both want what's best for themselves. which is a reoccurring theme in higurashi for tragedy. Well you're not wrong when you said that both of them are at fault but I'll just point out that Rika didn't forced Satoko to join her in the school, she only insisted and Satoko had every right to decline and that is where is the problem. Satoko doesn't know how to depend on herself in this timeline because again the entire uncle situation never happened in the last timeline in kai. because teppei got killed before returning to himiawzawa. the one in kai where it did happen got erased when takano killed them in kai. which is clearly something Rika forgot. because she thinks that she past all the obstacles. this was something that bothered me with kai's ending as well because that was never resolved. people spent a lot of time in kai trying to baby satoko. refusing to tell her the truth about her condition refusing to tell her the truth about satoshi because they were afraid to "hurt her." This kind of thinking is what i call cruel kindness. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: Tbh I don't really remember these "before that" refusals, but she definitely did offer her help in school, which then was refused.Don't forget Rika gave up on satako first at high school and several times before that when she refused to hear satako out. Also let me point out that it wasn't long ago many of you though satakos uncle was irredeemable in Kai and the first season. The difference between Teppei and Miyo is that Teppei is still kinda irredeemable. This "good side" of is is ONLY serving a purpose for the evil Satoko. I doubt anyone would (however sad it might be) give two shits about Teppei if Satoko was her normal self, not characters in the story, nor the watchers. It's like Teppei getting an absolution by finding a company worse than him.Same with miyo. And Miyo never was irredeemable. Higurashi hass a point where most suffering happens from misunderstandings or previous trauma. Yeah, definitely.hazarddex said: Tbh, it might even have been the best for her. What the other choice would have been? Leave Satoko alone in Hinamizawa?Rika insisted that Satoko go with her because she thought that is what's best for her. satoko who still depends on Shion, rika never learned to stand up for herself. do to this satoko feels trapped between the choices of losing her only support or ending up living a terrible highschool life. Yes, but is that Rika's fault? For Rika to be right and not selfish, she would need to sacrifice her own dream and stay in Hinamizawa with Satoko?saying and doing are two separate things. for example i have a grandmother who is nearly 90 shes often stubborn/prideful so I don't "offer." to help them when they are clearly struggling. I just do it. Sorry but this made chuckle a bit.. I mean.. Rika is pretty much in that age group too, and even older.Too bad Satoko isn't like you. But do you blame your Grandma for being selfish? if your friend is currently happy where they live what right do you have to continue to ask them to leave with you? Aside of me just saying that that's only normal human behaviour. I will ask, what mattered more to Satoko?Being in Hinamizawa, or being with Rika? Well obviously latter cause in the end, she went with Rika. So whats wrong in asking her to join her? as no right side existed in the first place with this conflict. There may not have been a "right side" but there definitely is the wrong side.hazarddex said: And the correct answer to that isn't to let her depend on everyone to all eternity. Satoko doesn't know how to depend on herself in this timeline because again the entire uncle situation never happened in the last timeline in kai. Honestly, this whole school incident could normally be a decent wake up call for her that the world isn't that easy. And it happens all the time in our world aswell. School sucks, sometimes you don't get to a school you want to go, sometimes you even might separate from your friends. You just have to suck it up and not kill anyone. Are school shooters like Satoko? Maybe they had a difficult past, and are having troubles in their moderately selfish current lives. But they're not in the "wrong" in doing what they do? Just makes me think of those people who actually did nothing wrong and will never do. |
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| I disliked Satoko when I first watched the og anime and this time I hate her BUT she is the plot for gou/sotsu so I appreciate her role. |
| Satoko is pretty much one of the most unambiguously evil characters in anime at this point. Even Shou Tucker had more sympathizable reasons than her. Kill it with fire. |
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| it's.....complicated. currenty i would say yes. i don't get how she could do such terrible things to her friends. |
ssjokg said: OG Satoko? No. She is my least favorite but I dont hate her. GouSotsu Satoko? Hate her with passion. As he said. This Satoko feels forced, she's a laughable villainess inspired by lame reasons and plot convenient methods. At least this Satoko will inspire some future memes and memes will be what Higurashi will be reduced to with sequels like this. |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
| I hate the Gou / Sotsu version of Satoko, not the original Satoko. Others have pointed this out already, but Satoko was completely different in the original Higurashi, and the same goes for Rika. In the original Higurashi, Rika didn't want to leave Hinamizawa (this was said explicitly in Rei IIRC) she just wanted a happy Hinamizawa, but now she suddenly wants to leave. Instead of creating a contradiction with Rei there, they should have done something else and Gou might not have received this level of criticism. |
When people tell me to stream anime on CR instead of downloading from fansub sites.  |
| Honestly is a combination of hate and curiosity. I'm really biased towards Gou/Sotsu Satok tbh. |
Ushiromiya Battler, right now, on this island, no one exists except for you. You're the only one alive in this island. However I'm here right now, and i'm about to kill you. Who... am I? |
| I don't consider her the same character as OG Satoko. OG Satoko - don't hate her. Gou/Sotsu "Satoko" - hate and disgust |
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