Shadows House
DO NOT discuss the source material beyond this episode. If you want to discuss future events or theories, please use separate threads.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Haha, watching Emilico and Kate go down that river together was amusing. Emilico seems to really enjoy the time of her life with her friend. This episode still turned out to be very tense with the higher ups and consequences of recent events. Some characters needs to watch out what their mouth says, like Edward. |
 |
| Rumbros are going to be really pissed off today. |
| Wow lots of information bombs this episode. I think this might be my favourite one yet. Idk why I was expecting Kate to grow wings or something and it actually happened lmao |
| This anime shit is addictive |
spectrojan said: Wow lots of information bombs this episode. I think this might be my favourite one yet. Idk why I was expecting Kate to grow wings or something and it actually happened lmao Well it's not that unexpected since we saw that one high ranking shadow always has her huge butterfly wings out |
 |
| I remember seeing this part in the manga, and loving most but some parts i just hated, same here tbh. The thing that i hate is just how they just lay out a giant information bomb in the most meh way possible. Its literally what you shouldnt do when you do exposition, especially information as important as this. Besides that tho, the episode was just great, fun at the beginning, super creepy after, its was a very enjoyable watch. |
| debut arc, finished !! kate's soot powers were sick, emilyko's quick and creative thinking were nice too. the scene where shirley's disappearing(?) is definitely my favorite part this episode, i was wondering how they'll do the animation but it was really well done i dont remember the funeral scene from the manga but that was pretty :o wonder what john said to kate. we also got a full explanation on what the shadows are and why "living dolls" are there, dont really like how very important and anticipated info was just dropped like that but eh whatever. last part with emilyco smiling while being manipulated by the soot coffee was hella creepy |
| Emilico and Kate moments are always so enjoyable. That info bomb felt a little heavy, though. |
SerafosJul 26, 12:14 AM
 |
| Aaaahhhh, knew there was a scary sort of moment coming up, and it's all one big oof. So the dolls are pretty much made with the intent later on, for the Shadows to take their face, while also being super loyal to the Great one. Using that tea to help control the dolls into believing that. Kate and anyone else for that matter that is on Kate's side have got a tough job on their hands if they're gonna stop this. |
| this was mildly disturbing... |
 |
| So the shadows are parasites? What the hell? And oh god, Emilico and the others have been brainwashed. Poor Ram as well… |
| Oh boy... first of all, the relationship development between Kate and Emilico was so precious. Not just Emilico, but Kate also cares a lot about her. To my surprise was that Kate managed to control her soot and use it as a way to pass the test along with Emilico. Everyone was surprised by that so there must be something that troubled the higher-ups about her. I felt really bad for Rum. This was the first time that her master, Shirley managed to engage in a heart to heart and she couldn't even express her feelings towards her master. What a poor girl and then the whole mysterious drink which led all the dolls to be controlled by the Lord grandfather and the higher-ups. A lot of mysteries were cleared in this episode but there is a lot that still remains unknown. Emilico's mind being controlled at the end. I hope she gets out of it soon. |
 |
| Shirley's final moments were sad, even more so after learning the truth of the shadows. She finally started to bond with Rum but it was too late, sigh. Also Emilico has been brainwashed damn. I hope she will turn back to normal. |
 |
| Emilico and Kate surfing to the end point was pretty fun but after that we managed to see something sad, the end of Shirley. Poor Rum, Shirley finally said her name but that was the last time. Aside from that, they organized a party for the winners. Offered an ''adult'' drink aka coffee lol xD. But ofcourse, Kate only loves tea. Maryrose seems like a fun character to hang out with. I'm expecting more screentime with her (hopefully). Seems like the drink that they gave them wasn't just coffee.. Sneaky bastards.. Well now we know how shadows are created. The reason why Shirley 'died' is because she didn't acquire a personality, so her life force was too weak.. Edward is in care of the children now. And that's probably not a good thing because he's after Kate now lol.. Seems like Emilico is still brainwashed by the Grandfather's sooth.. |
   “You yourself have to change first, or nothing will change for you!” ' |
| that was fun seeing kate and emilico in the begining, and it's turn out that shadow is made after the doll not the other way around. then they just give so much informations in short time, my brain can't process >_< |
 |
| The episode starts with Edward being full of himself, but says BTFO to him with that big brained move by Emilico. And Kate controlling her soot is known now. And liked the sequence of Kates wing. The ones of the highlight of this episode is Rum and Shirley scene its hitting hard with that monologue and no music. Its pretty powerful scene. The other is the debut passers. And the true power of the coffee. That scene with other dolls idolizing Grandfather is creppy asf, and their eyes too. The last part is about lore and infodump about the origin of the shadows and other. Edward looks like he is certain that Kate will rebel in the Shadows house. And Kate needs to dispel the hypnotized Emilico. Which she seems not herself. Overall best episode of the series |
 |
| I knew that trolley would come in handy in the end Spectacular, glad to see that they have passed the debut Sht, Rum made me sad in a second (โฅ_โฅ) I can't dislike Grandpa more. I'm sure the protagonists will be those shadows and dolls that cause a revolution. I hope they all go back to normal D: |
| Emilico sacrificed a lot for Kate's survival, even with blood, the safety of Kate is more important than her own life. What a sturdy Livng Doll. But even if both Kate and Emilico can't pass their debut, their relationship is very enduring. The Master Living Doll Edward thought all of his plans are going as planned, but the warning from the 3rd Floor Shadow Masters clearly has warranted his attention: the pushcart turning into a boat to reach back to the starting point in time while Kate controls soot, that is easily the biggest game-changer. It's true that Living Dolls and Shadow Masters must follow tradition, but Kate broke all that with Emilico, which was magnificent as the final pair to pass and finish the Debut strong. Rum and Shirley though, I feel sad for them both, espeically the Living Doll and whom failed to pass, and her Shadow Master faded into soot. The soot coffee that the Living Dolls drank that sends them to a frenzy about Lord Grandfather, as with the truth realized that Rum and Shirley's failure is due to a personality mismatch, much less acquiring it (and how they came SO CLOSE to finally having a relationship). Combine that with Edward's explanation of how Living Dolls morphs into Shadows, and you have a recipe for disaster against the top-tier Shadow Masters. What a cutthroat family relationship who delights in successes and kills all those who fails, failure is NOT tolerated against those who defy the Shadows House system. And for Edward, Kate is his next target. YIKES. To see the Living Dolls slowly being morphed into Shadows with Stage 1 of the brainwashing process, that's scary enough. |
 |
| Very big episode, we finally got some insight into what the soot is and Edwards intentions. So the shadows are basically fairies that take human form. What I’m wondering is if the dolls are actually “dolls” or if they’re just the real humans that the fairies are trying to become. I’m still not sure on who or what lord grandfather is tho.. Rum and Shirley’s moment was heartbreaking too. She couldn’t even express herself to her master properly. Really gutting. A lot of info dropped on us quickly today. Hoping for season 2. |
Marinate1016Jun 12, 2021 11:50 AM
 |
| Kate was already cautious about the whole thing but I bet how the whole debut played out and on top of that the brainwashing of her precious Emilyko might have set in motion some sort of plan to take down grandfather. Shirley "death" hit harder than one would think for a pretty much blank character thanks to how much they made us care for Rum, really hope she'll continue to show up and maybe regain her personality since the whole veiled doll thing seems like a fate worse than death. |
| man, that mass info bomb was heavy. |
  my candies:     also known to love the pineapple cat she/they โ past sets โ myanimelist โ letterboxd |
| Was a great problem solving from Kate & Emilico to finish the debut trial. Was depressing what happened to Shirley & Rum pair, but at least she can come back later on. After all she became Veiled, and they didn't killed her. I like Rum. I dont like to drink coffee, after this episode I hate coffee. Good to know what Shadows are. The drink from the first episode is the same from this? Or this one is stronger? If this one is stronger and don't lose potency over time, I imagine Kate will have to "exorcise" Emilico, using her soot control. |
 |
| Wow, this episode revealed a lot. Many weird elements now make perfect sense. This looked weaker since Emilico's personality didn't get entirely wiped out. |
alshuJun 12, 2021 3:46 PM
| Emilico and Kate's arrival with those wings of soot was so cool. Come on man, I was so happy with Kate and Emilico succeeding only to see Shirley disappear moments later . Poor Rum. Without Shadow, without her memories and now as a veiled doll. At least this answers what veiled dolls are. Finally we have an explanation of what the Shadows are and damn, they're kind of creepy. The thing is, if what they've said is true, doesn't Kate seem to know more than she should? She definitely seems more unique than the rest. With Emilico's cute face when she tasted the coffee I didn't expect it to be made of soot and have those effects. The funny thing is, watching a bit of the first episode, they had already drank that coffee when they first arrived to Shadows House. Unlike Patrick, John does seem to have noticed at the time that something wasn't right with the living dolls and I assume that's the message he gave Kate. WTF with that ending, seeing Emilico like that was terrifying. |
Avenday said: alshu said: Wow, this episode revealed a lot. Many weird elements now make perfect sense. This looked weaker to since Emilico's personality didn't get entirely wiped out. Problem is, now Emilico drank TWO cups (hers and Kate's). Yeah, but she still has some memories left. My theory is that they give weaker stuff to the puppets who are not discarded because restarting them would be troublesome to their masters. I think Kate will leave Emilico to develop her previous personalty or even guide her in this direction. |
alshuJun 12, 2021 3:47 PM
| ^Rukodaime91 You'd be surprised at how durable humans can be. People have surprised getting thrown out of planes or what have you, so it's not surprising Emilyko survived such a fall. I've survived a ten foot fall into bushes and I was just a bit scraped up- like how Emilyko was here. I was a kid when that happened, and Emilkyko is fairly young, so I'm not surprised. Emilyko and the other dolls are human. It's unlikely but not impossible that someone could survive. |
| Wow, huge episode. The atmosphere of this episode was perfect and Shirley's death scene was so well done, but the way all of that information was just inelegantly infodumped is irritating. From other comments, it seems that the infodump was in the manga too, so at least it wasn't anime-only lol, but the delivery still sucked. |
 |
| Indeed, only one mystery of the Shadows House has been resolved. We still don't know what the Grandfather is, why he started doing this etc. etc. |
| Emilico causally dropped an N-word while drinking coffee. LMFAO Btw, if a shadow master fails at their debut, they break apart and die? That's dark. |
 |
| Damn that was bangers, we knew Kate practiced controlling soot but I didn't think she would master it to the extent to be able to fly with it. I had a feeling the cart would be used somehow, didn't thnik they would turn it into a boat. lol Too bad about Shirley and Rum. I expect the latter to be discovered as the repurposed veiled doll, likely when Emilico's memories get unjumbled. Kate and John already seemed to catch on with the bullshit drinks so that's a great start. |
| It's always a pleasure seeing Edward getting what he deserves. |
| So Kate and Emilico survived, as was expected they will. The way they made it though was quite ... refreshing! It appears that Kate is a little rebel and Edward is on to her.. I suppose he mentioned nothing about her to the brass because he has no proof (yet) and was wary making a fool of himself. Merely hiding her powers does not make Kate a rebel (though we know she is, due to that "root of all evil" comment and her suspicions about the place). These last 2 - 3 episodes had a ton of disclosures. So the Shadows are parasitic fairies, starting as simple Morphs which are derived, apparently, from Grandpa Boss. Like any parasite they cannot survive or rather in this case fully develop on their own; they need a host. The word "parasitic" suggests that they probably take over their host completely or they live while burdening or harming them (not harm to their body but to their mind, since the goal appears to wipe it clean and replace it with their own..). Otherwise they would have been called "non parasitic symbionts". When mere propaganda is deemed insufficient dark bitter coffee laced with Grandpa's soot is used as a brainwashing tool. Kate was quick to notice that as well. I frankly wonder if the Dolls even need to consent to being merged.. They probably do not, unless one considers agreeing to it while being brainwashed consent.. I thought in the previous episode that for the merging to work both sides needed to mirror each other perfectly (like Mia with their annoying master). It appears that the Shadows are meant to develop personality (aided by some mimicry and interaction with their Doll) largely on their own, or rather that's the goal. Edward only spoke about the personalities of the Shadows after all. The Dolls are meant to be merely apathetic faces, but I think they have them mimic the movements, mannerisms and (assumed) facial expressions of their shadow masters (not their personality or character) so that the eventual merged being develops the muscle memory of the Shadow. |
 |
| Rewatched ep 1 and it makes a lot of sense now. |
 |
More topics from this board
» Any chances of Season 3?Himmels22 - Nov 22 |
11 |
by meyve
»»
2 hours ago |
|
Poll: » Shadows House Episode 13 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 )Stark700 - Jul 3, 2021 |
151 |
by callmethebigG
»»
Oct 22, 7:48 PM |
|
Poll: » Shadows House Episode 9 Discussion ( 1 2 )Stark700 - Jun 5, 2021 |
75 |
by callmethebigG
»»
Oct 21, 11:51 PM |
|
Poll: » Shadows House Episode 4 Discussion ( 1 2 3 )Stark700 - May 1, 2021 |
123 |
by callmethebigG
»»
Oct 21, 9:42 PM |
|
Poll: » Shadows House Episode 2 Discussion ( 1 2 3 )Stark700 - Apr 17, 2021 |
101 |
by callmethebigG
»»
Oct 21, 8:11 PM |