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Dec 5, 2019 1:44 AM
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BEWARE SOME SPOILERS FOR PART 6

First part was about Jonathan learning sun-karate to go kill his adoptive brother, Dio, who forsake his humanity and became a vampire, made an army of overpowered zombies. Jack the Ripper was there, two legendary heroes were there. Lots of death and manly feels. Cool stuff.

Second part was about Joseph learning sun-karate to go kill three Aztec Gods who had an army of vampires, traveled most of the world, made friends with a fuckboi and a nazi, lots of death and manly feels along the way.

Third part was about a Japanese highschooler teaming up with his grandpa (Joseph), three other guys and a dog, to go travel all of the eastern world and get to Egypt, in order to save his mom from the curse that Dio's sole presence manifested. They also have new powers in the form of ghosts (stands) and do all kinds of crazy stuff with them while battling Dio's evil henchmen along the way, who also have stands. They form a bond with one another, lots of death and manly feels along the way.

So these are the first three parts summarized. I really love them, they felt like actual bizarre adventures. We go from this, to ... this:

Part four is about the bastard child of Joseph, a Japanese highschool kid, Josuke, who's power consists of fixing and healing things. Gone is the whole traveling aspect because the whole setting is a random boring town in the middle of nowhere, where Josuke battles other dumb people, they become buddies at the end and goof around while tracking some bows for no reason. Half way a serial killer shows up, who is just a pervert with a hand fetish, and goes into hiding, while the kids try to catch him, by not doing anything and randomly coming in contact with him at the end. Well that was boring.

Part five is about Dio & Jonathan's bastard child, Giorno, who really wants to be a GANG-STAR, gets in a gang, and their very first mission is to go save the boss's kid, which ended up with them battling a team of assassins who were after the boss, only for Giorno's team to become a team of assassins who were after the boss too, huh? While were they battling these guys if they had the same goal in the first place? The whole setting takes place in Italy, and it is boring. Gone are the manly characters and they are all replaced with ones who look like they came out of a k-pop band. The boss, Diavolo, is also just a mentally ill megalomaniac with a broken stand who unlike Dio, is all just talk and a coward. All of the actions in this part would have been prevented if he didn't tell Giorno's team where he was and give them constant hints in the first place, wow. Lame.







I may overreact in my open distaste for parts 4 to 6, but hey do tell why you enjoy or do not enjoy all of the parts? From my perspective, where parts 1 to 3 actually had build up from one another and a satisfying conclusion, parts 4 to 6 just felt like confused disjointed spinoff stories, with only 6 tying up to part 3, if you can call it that, just to end the first universe. Yet, they are beloved by the community for some reason... I don't get it. Anyway, what do you think?

This is a discussion of all the Jojo parts btw, so lets just get wild!

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Dec 5, 2019 1:48 AM
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Part 1 and 3 were definitely the worst parts imo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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ERMAHGERD1920 said:
Part 1 and 3 were definitely the worst parts imo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But why? Imo parts 4 to 6 were the worst. 7 is pretty cool though.
Dec 5, 2019 2:01 AM
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To me, part 3 was an introduction to stands. All the powers are pretty basic and each fight being 2 episodes making for a very repetitive and dragged-out adventure imo. The manga was prob better but the pacing in the anime makes it pretty mediocre.

The charm of part 4 comes from the fact that the travelling is gone. it's a more slice of life-esque part where you see how stands can be used in more creative ways and not only used for fighting. An example of this is Josuke's constant uses of his powers fix things and find clues or when Tonio uses his stand for the restaurant. Story-wise, the first half was pretty lacking but the second half was quite intense. Imagine being in a small-town, recognizing familiar every day but knowing one of them may be a murderer. This obviously is amplified by the nature of the antagonist, Kira, and his desire to live a normal life making for an unusual character, especially in anime. I think the tone set is what makes it amazing though if I had to point out a negative it would be the main casts. Koichi and his girlfriend were quite annoying; Josuke is probably my second least favouite Jojo and Okuyasu is alright though they were still pretty fun to watch.

As for part 5, this video will do a far better job than I could so check it out if you're interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEDhWT2hmr8&feature=emb_title
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I don't agree. I think Jojo 4+ shines because of most of the things you mentioned. I guess it simply comes down to a difference in taste.


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To me, part 3 was an introduction to stands. All the powers are pretty basic and each fight being 2 episodes making for a very repetitive and dragged-out adventure imo. The manga was prob better but the pacing in the anime makes it pretty mediocre.

The charm of part 4 comes from the fact that the travelling is gone. it's a more slice of life-esque part where you see how stands can be used in more creative ways and not only used for fighting. An example of this is Josuke's constant uses of his powers fix things and find clues or when Tonio uses his stand for the restaurant. Story-wise, the first half was pretty lacking but the second half was quite intense. Imagine being in a small-town, recognizing familiar every day but knowing one of them may be a murderer. This obviously is amplified by the nature of the antagonist, Kira, and his desire to live a normal life making for an unusual character, especially in anime. I think the tone set is what makes it amazing though if I had to point out a negative it would be the main casts. Koichi and his girlfriend were quite annoying; Josuke is probably my second least favouite Jojo and Okuyasu is alright though they were still pretty fun to watch.

As for part 5, this video will do a far better job than I could so check it out if you're interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEDhWT2hmr8&feature=emb_title

Ironically, all of the stands in part 3 were much better than anything that came after, they just weren't put to such a good use in their part I think.

I get the slice of life aspect, and that is why I dislike it. I also just didn't like the stands introduced here. Everyone with a cool stand ends up being dealt with right after his introduction. Angelo, Keicho, Red Hot, Harvest, Enigma... ect. Kira's Killer Queen was cool but got broken and nonsensical by the end. How does erasing stuff translate to time resets? It would have been more logical to become like King Crimson. But I'm just nitpicking here. Also, you make it out like they were actually looking for Kira, while instead they ended up just goofing around and beating the random kids Kira's dad send after them, which had no motivation to fight in the first place.

I'll watch it I guess. Thanks, but I doubt it would fix my opinion of the part, because my main problem there is the plot itself.
Dec 5, 2019 2:34 AM
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No. All I can say I am not a huge fan of part 3 since the pacing is god awful. I still love jojo. Part 4 and 5 are super fun. JoJo is never boring.
Dec 5, 2019 2:43 AM
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I've not read any JoJo's, but parts 4 and 5 are easily the best parts so far imo. The most boring part was part 3.
Dec 5, 2019 2:49 AM
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Parts 1 and 3 are the worst adapted parts so far with Parts 4 and 2 being the best.
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No, it got boring after part2. Then got good again with part5.
part6 was just too weird for me. part7 was amazing.
havn't started part8.

part3's gang was mediocre at best, jotaro was lame, dio was a huge downgrade from part1 dio. the endless stand user of the week thing got old REALLY fast and it never stopped until the end. the stands were mostly boring punchghosts. I don't like part3 at all.

part4 is a really mixed bag it has some of the best side characters but I don't like josuke much, he's not using his stand well most of the time either. the sol format sucked.

part5 feels like part3 done right. characters you can't help but care about, a journey full of uncertainty, threatening enemies, and a ton of violence. diavolo is lame and only exists to serve his purpose as the final obstacle, I give you that.

reading this thread, I have the feeling jojo has something for everyone, and each of us likes different parts of it for different reasons. that's the beauty of it, araki being able to come up with so many different things, he's good at his job as a mangaka.
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No, if anything, it's the opposite, and it became only more interesting.
As the first part comes of as Araki figuring out what to do, leading to a completely stretched and tiresome midsection and the third part was only an introduction to stands, and therefore relatively simply in their approach, while with the following parts and the increasing complexity and even more important creativity of the stand battles lead to the fights, conflicts, and threats being all the more interesting and frightening to watch. Also, do I generally prefer the later art style of Araki, and the higher focus on the group, instead of the single main Jojo, not to forget that he just generally improved as a writer, leading to more organic interactions and progression in the story.

My major problem with stands in later parts is that they felt like inferior and convoluted rehashes of the stands found in part 3, with minor exceptions. I can even go into detail if you guys like?

Stands weren't even that good though, they felt like a downgrade compared to hamon before it.
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Or has it just stopped being boring after the first 3 parts, because Araki finally came up with his own style and got freed from Hokuto no Ken's influence already?
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I can't say I would agree. For me parts from 4 onwards are the best ones. I don't read the manga so I can't speak about part 6 and beyond, but part 4 and part 5 were the most enjoyable ones for me so far. Part 2 is close, but still a bit worse imo. I think that JoJo actually only properly starts in part 4 in some ways. Kira is mature and good villain and main gang is enjoyable, even if MC can't quite measure up to Joseph. But he is better than Joutarou imo.

And part 5 gets in some ways even better especially in temrs of MC and the group around him. Unfortunately Diavolo is, as you say, kinda weak villain so that brings it down a bit. But otherwise I really enjoyed it. Fight were great and I really enjoyed the character intreractions. Story was overall possibly the most interesting so far to me (although both part 2 and 4 were pretty equal in that aspect).

The art change after part 3 is significant though and I could see how some people may not like it. I myself didn't like it too much initially, but later I got used to it and now I love it :D So for me it's sort of acquired taste I guess.

I'm certainly looking forward to future parts.







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Dec 5, 2019 3:11 AM
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Or has it just stopped being boring after the first 3 parts, because Araki finally came up with his own style and got freed from Hokuto no Ken's influence already?
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MrZawa said:

The art change after part 3 is significant though and I could see how some people may not like it. I myself didn't like it too much initially, but later I got used to it and now I love it :D So for me it's sort of acquired taste I guess.

My initial interest in Jojo comes from Part 3 and the manly Fist of the North Star style, so guess you guys are onto something.

I really dig the ultra detailed and realistic style of Part 7 btw, but it has nothing to do with the art-style from parts 4 to 6.

Kudos for Araki for developing his art and changing ideas with every part though, can't help but respect the guy for trying something different every time.
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Parts 4-8 have a way better main cast than parts 1-3

Also Part 8 has little to nothing to do with Part 4 other than the name of the MC and the town being the same and some characters names and designs being inspired by parts 3 and 4 characters. Part 8 in my opinion is the most different one from the rest.
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Anill said:

My major problem with stands in later parts is that they felt like inferior and convoluted rehashes of the stands found in part 3, with minor exceptions. I can even go into detail if you guys like?

Stands weren't even that good though, they felt like a downgrade compared to hamon before it.

Though it should be clear, that I can't align with your standpoint of the later stands to be convoluted, aside from a selected few of part six, where I've seen some more having been distracted by the exposition necessary to elaborate on them, but I'm certainly more in disagreement with them being simple rehashes. Yes, some of them share similarities or could be seen as reinventions of earlier stands, but Araki adds more than enough to them to justify, or explicitly utilize them to "somewhat" signify a form of progression with the way he creates the stands of his characters.
If you want to go into more detail, then do so, but you don't have to when it comes to me, I just mentioned my reasons as to why I disagree with you, though if we at it, why not, might be interesting to hear your perspective, because, as I said, the more creative stands are what draws me in.
Also, you can elaborate as to what makes Hamon more interesting than Stands for you, as the sheer ridiculousness of those "fighting ghost" in all their forms, colors, capabilities, compared to a "slightly" unique breathing technique seems to be/ is for me, far more engaging.

Well, then I will skip the stand to stand comparison, as they are very obvious and people can come to the conclusion themselves if they think about them. I also do agree, some improve some concepts, but most ruined them imo.

When it comes to Hamon vs Stands. Hamon always required the user to both undergo heavy training and have mastery of his body first. This naturally made all hamon users to be warriors with battle experience, and in turn made the battles and encounters far more interesting. This was also attempted with stands, with the having a strong will part, but all got forgotten once even babies, dogs, and children could develop and handle a stand.

Hamon at the end of the day was simply a breathing technique that made possible for humans to photosynthesized sunlight into energy. It had clearly defined drawbacks. It could only travel through organic matter, manipulate liquids, and was useless against solid objects, or living beings. It wasn't overpowered and could be easily countered by removing the ability of the user to breath, or his limbs. Also despite its simplistic nature, it relayed far more on the creativity of the user. This was the highlight in part 2 where hamon reached its full capabilities and potential. Essentially, hamon battles were gory close combat fights where users pushed their bodies to the limits in achieving victory against superhuman monsters. You can't say this wasn't cooler?

Stands on the other hand, while at first appearing as just random clairvoyant powers named after the major Arcana, were interesting but duo to being reliant on the ghost to make all the moves became more like pokemon puzzles battles. The fights were now more distant and against other humans with varying levels of expertise. Which made the overall quality of the fights to plummet. It compensated in much more experimentation and variety however. No two fights or abilities were the same which was a breath of fresh air depending on how you look at it.

And now I get to how part 4 ruined stands. First, stands dropped the relation to the arcana or Egyptian gods and became exclusively named after rock songs. They had no major meaning anymore or theme. They also became much more mundane, gimmicky, and annoying to deal with. People could get stands with ease as the whole strength of mind concept was pretty much removed. There was zero power balance, as rats or any random thug could rival people with years of battle experience, or the strongest stand in the series, depending on what broken power they can randomly get. Stands got nerfed down and limited to their full potential cause of their users. They could change forms get new powers to suit the situation out of nowhere, etc. Also the characters got more and more defined by their stands rather than... you know, their character.

So overall, while hamon was much simpler and less flashier, it made for a much more solid power system in the long run. Stands really proceeded to get out of control in parts 4 to 6, where part 7 simplified them and made them more like tools than punching ghosts, alongside the new alternative technique to Hamon aka 'The Spin', which made for more variety and not only relying on stands to get you through.
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No, my favorite parts are all after part 3 and I'm not a big fan of first three parts.
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No, my favorite parts are all after part 3 and I'm not a big fan of first three parts.
Ditto part 4 onwards is when the stories start to get much better focus and better characters.
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Battle Tendency>Stardust>Golden Wind>Diamond is Unbreakable>Part 1

Joseph and Jotaro are the two best main characters in Jojo. I'm not a fan of episodic anime so all those lengthy Stand battle of the week not my cup of tea. After part 3, the novelty of Stand battle of the week pretty much gone for me.
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I didn't read your post, but I know that part 4 (especially after Kira appeared) is one which make me started to really like JJBA. Part 1-3 are the relatively more boring ones in my opinion.
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Total opposite for me, if anything the real hurdle of the franchise is just how aimless and tedious Part 3 gets, its got like a few scatter great moments but I definitely think some of the creativity of a few standalone fights almost all in the 2nd half clouds the perception of the series and just how many glaring flaws that part has and how badly it treats its cast and characters.

Paart 4 and up is where it feels like theres alot more a purpose to the stories, stuff leads into eachother more often even if its not an addition to the overall plot persay, it treats its characters pretty well screentime wise (part 6 is an exception) and I think one of the most importantly, the series starts to get villains right. They arent just some super powerful guy that only shows up near the end but rather active threats after they are introduced and add a whole another levle of tension afterward totally changing the dynamics of the series, Kira was treated like a protagonist so we get to see loads of great slice of life moments but from the perspective of a villain, Diavolo while a little less screentime was a more active villains having a fair amount of fights and generally accomplishing alot everytime he appears ie killing a character or 2 every time, Pucci is basically the heart of part 6 for me and has the most screentime in the franchise for good reason as well as dabbling a bit more into a more sympathetic side when his past is finally revealed, and Funny Valentine starts to garner a more morally grey side whilst also being entertaining in his own right.

That addition of the franchise alone, makes parts 1-3 feel so antiquated, dio is a fun meme villain but he kind of is just the small bit of light to get through the brief part 1, but as a villain the guy sucks, hes not intimidating as he jobs everytime hes on screen, and motivation wise he teases something interesting with the idea of classism but ultimately its completely ignored and eventually removed alltogether to just make him power hungry, kars is the most boring villain in exsistence thats so forgettable you dont even realize how active he is, and DIO is a villain that sits around in a room for most a series and ultimately feels like araki didnt know anything to do with him so hes tail ended to only the final fight which just makes part 3 feel like it has no direction.

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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Loved reading the manga when I was a kid (part 3 mainly).

But it didn't age well, tbh, anime jojo = bullshit (not as an adaptation, but because the manga = bullshit). It's like a parody, which makes me like it actually. It's so bullshit & random that I end up enjoying (as long as it's a few episodes a month).

I thought it was popular on the internet because everybody could see how shitty it actually was, i mean the dialogue, the weird scenes, the weird fights, the weird characters, can't take it seriously. All the jojo shitposts & memes seemed relevant to the original low effort shit jojo is. (at least part 1 to 4, i'm not expecting this to change, it's the essence of jojo)

But recently I've noticed people enjoying jojo as any other regular shonen anime. It's confusing. "part 3 was better than part 4"; "part 5 is boring compared to part 2" etc... doesn't really make sense to me, it's all bullshit from part 1 to the end, adjusted to evolving trends in shonen manga. (change in chara design, dialogues, stakes etc).
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@Ginraku This thread isn't about hating the whole series and maybe it simply isn't for you but I can tell you why it's so famous, each part are so unique with really bizzare characters with part 7 being really famous for its setting and It feels fresh to read it, of course everyone has different opinions but it is famous for a reason.
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Au contraire my friend
although part 2 is one of my favourites the series really shines after part 3

Personally, I find part 3 to be unrefined and bland and wouldn't have finished it if it wasn't for Araki's unconventional battles. The stands are really rudimentary, lacking any kind of creative utility. The way Araki handles most parts part after 3 is far superior in the protagonists, stands, plot and villains.

i don't find any of your "criticism" justified

"parts 4 to 6 just felt like confused disjointed spinoff stories"
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Part 4 is decent. Part 5 is literal fucking dogshit. Honestly anyone that likes part 5 should be classified with a mental illness.
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@Ginraku This thread isn't about hating the whole series

I don't hate Jojo. I'm saying it's bullshit.

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sorry mate but i just can't take you seriously
saying that it's shit because it's strange in how it handles dialogues and certain scenes is plain dumb and frankly how is it low effort exactly?

Not saying it's shitty because of how it handles dialogues & everything. I'm saying the way it handles dialogues & everything else is shitty.
How is it low effort ? Jojo part 3 whole story is an adventure from Japan to Egypt. I was expecting a minimum amount of research about the countries the characters go through but seems like Araki just asked some random American dude to describe those.
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@Ginraku can't agree with your opinion tbh but sure
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Nope. Parts 4 onwards were the best parts, better than parts 1,2 and 3 imo.
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I always thought the new enemies and abilities were interesting after part 3 though it does not have as much comedy as it had before.
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Part 4 is decent. Part 5 is literal fucking dogshit. Honestly anyone that likes part 5 should be classified with a mental illness.
why is part 5 dogshit?
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Stardust Crusaders is one of the worst arcs in Shounen, I don't understand how people can like it
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Takuto_Shindou said:
Stardust Crusaders is one of the worst arcs in Shounen, I don't understand how people can like it


if you really like Yu☆Gi☆Oh! You should appreciate Stardust Crusaders.
I consider the Yu-Gi-Oh manga Stardust Crusaders done right, then again it was in manga format, I don't know how SC was in the manga but the anime adaptation did a horrible job by making pretty much everyone "Stand of *2* weeks".
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This guy doesn't like stands
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I agree that jojo started trying to take itself seriously more during part 4 which left it with more of an identity crisis, I just didn’t like the direction it turned to, while mostly ditching the old and wacky ways of part 2-3 that mainly got me interested in the series, not to mention that it wasn’t really as funny as previous parts, the characters I couldn’t just get on board with etc, for the most part I found myself skipping most episodes 15 seconds at a time because I couldn’t bare to watch some episodes which was unfortunate because part 4-5 were hyped as the best parts, but I only found myself missing the old ways and old characters, it was a meme and very simplistic, but it definitely worked
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I feel like it changed a lot after part 3, but I don't think it became better or worse. I can't speak for the manga, but I felt like the animation and pacing got better after part 3, while I didn't care as much for the story.
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it’s literally the opposite

I know some people love the first three but they’re just the most basic Shōnen of the jojo lineup

it really becomes itself somewhere along in part 3 when stand battles are no longer about who can punch better and are a lot more engaging in my eyes
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The only JoJo part that felt like a drag to me was part 3 mostly due to the Stand of the week formula.

The later parts might still use this formula, but they at least mix it up with Who the stand user of the week/month is unlike part 3 which was just Dio's henchmen vs the Crusaders.
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Afloo said:
The only JoJo part that felt like a drag to me was part 3 mostly due to the Stand of the week formula.

The later parts might still use this formula, but they at least mix it up with Who the stand user of the week/month is unlike part 3 which was just Dio's henchmen vs the Crusaders.


I agree mostly, but part 1 also dragged pretty damn hard for me too it took me 3 separate tries to get through it (it was worth it in the end)
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Afloo said:
The only JoJo part that felt like a drag to me was part 3 mostly due to the Stand of the week formula.

The later parts might still use this formula, but they at least mix it up with Who the stand user of the week/month is unlike part 3 which was just Dio's henchmen vs the Crusaders.


I agree mostly, but part 1 also dragged pretty damn hard for me too it took me 3 separate tries to get through it (it was worth it in the end)
The first 2 times I got through part 1 (When I watched it in the anime and when I revisited in the manga) It didn't drag for me but now the first 3 episodes kind of do but because of how many times I watched them trying to get my weeb friends into jojo in middle school.
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I’ve actually been trying to get my friends into it lately, but only 2 of them made it through part 1 :(
I actually think part 1 is alright objectively, but I kinda hate it personally because you can’t appreciate it unless you see the epic, generation spanning repercussions of everyone’s actions later on in the series.

replying to the actual topic again, I actually really love the last 2/3 of BT and while there are some great standout episodes in part 3, the majority of it was a chore to watch (but the second season of SDC is better overall)

also there’s that weird rapey orangatan
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It's not just getting boring, I bet most of people won't understand but I see the author of Jojo in the same life situation as Kojima was with MGS series. Kojima hated it obviously because of responsibility and inability change or add fresh things without hate from fans. At some point author risking not only to make angry his or her fans but also make some random garbage which will be felt like weak spin-off.

I watched season 1 of Jojo like it was a blast from the past because it was old-styled but pretty modern in terms of action and scenery at the same time.

I watched season 2 and didn't like it in the start because I was pretty skeptical about stands conception but author worked on them and progressed, so they become pretty interesting especially in season 3 which was a pinnacle of travel-driven story where characters meant something and episodes were pretty different and smartwise. Ending was great.

When I watched season 4 I was bored first 10 episodes, it was too slow in terms of story development, slice of life was too casual concept after traveling. But then author returned a little to old tricks and when antagonist revealed Jojo series was alive once again. Ending was pretty good too.

But when I watch season 5 which is also part 5 I don't know what to say about it without angry rant. It just a garbage. It's not only worst Jojo anime but also pretty pathetic anime in overall. It looks ridiculous, characters are bland, MC is worse than third-tier characters from other anime, music is nothing special, even opening is pathetic, I watched 26 episodes and still don't like it. Also animation is much worse than in part 4, it's hard to believe that it was made by the same studio. Part 5 isn't a Jojo anime, it's a spin-off from a tired author which couldn't make anything better at the moment so he made all these full of useless talking scenes and weak fights full of plot-armor. From a niche anime it went to plain circus style. From interesting battles full of tricks it went to unstoppable self-talking and "telekinetic" way of thinking.
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I don't see how Araki is "in the same life situation" as Kojima, part 6 is by far one of the most hated parts and part 7 (the longest part) is one of the least popular parts in Japan, he always writes whatever he wants without considering how his fans feel.


Well, this is why I wrote that making long series isn't about potential hate of fans only but also is about a falling down from a pinnacle since author just can't making fresh things forever which won't be awful, look ridiculous or will be a self-copy. Kojima always was kinda frivolous and has much more ideas than he could adapt to gloomy reality when Araki in my opinion in the same situation but he doesn't have as much freedom or influence or maybe even ideas to deal with series. But since he became kind of a king of Jojo series he just can't drop it, he is a prisoner of past success.

I never read his manga though and don't know anything about parts after Golden Wind, how it's even possible that part 6 is most hated? Is it really worse than part 5? How is it possible.
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Part 5 is bad, I keep lowering my score as I keep watching. Seriously how can this be rated its current score?
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Kirko said:
Part 5 is bad, I keep lowering my score as I keep watching. Seriously how can this be rated its current score?


"I can't believe that people like something I don't"

I didn't say that. I gave it a five. I'm just saying I don't understand how it can be at its current score. As far as I know 5 is an average score.
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Kirko said:

I didn't say that. I gave it a five. I'm just saying I don't understand how it can be at its current score. As far as I know 5 is an average score.
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Well, a lot of people don't care if 5 is an average score, if they like something they'll give it a 10.

I guess you are right. That explains it. But as the OP I think this part was the worse yet. I've been binging all of them for the past months. But I guess to each their own scoring criterias. I myself have been changing score for a few shows now that I've seen so many.
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No I think part 1 and 3 were boring (except the last 10 last episodes of part 3)
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felt the opposite. first 3 part was very meh until the dio fight. part 4/5 was enjoyable. part 6 was meh. part 7 is masterpiece
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100% agree. Everyone knows Jojo from Part 3.

Everyone looks buff and attractive.
Best friendships in the whole series...no lying, just straight up guys that are friends.
The best protagonist. Star Platinum is able to clutch a fights (ppl say that makes it boring, but it doesnt. we already know theyre going to win, and winning in style is best. all other enemies are wary of Star Platinum).
The best antagonist. Completely evil guy who's also buff and almost a mirror of the protagonist.
Best enemy stands where it's similar to parts 1 and 2 where all of the characters, good and bad, actually use their brain and come up with clever ways to defeat each other.

What makes the later parts so bad is that they're just boring. No large group of true guy friends so the interactions between each other is just stale. The protagonist has some lame stand...but that in of itself isn't a problem...what's the real problem is how the manga writer decided to make all of the characters boring and how they use their stands. The amazing thing about part 3 is that the stands all had a unique personality AND the writer wrote it in such a way that the people used their stands in a clever way. Even weak-ass stands in part 3 were used well because the wielder was clever...NONE of this happens in later parts...just different stands but no personality.

And one of the worst things is how the writer chose to make Joseph, Jotaro, and Polnareff amazingly weak. It's actually pathetic how weak they are. 33 years old is the prime of a person, after that, they're muscles begin to diminish. The fact that the writer chose to make Jotaro peak at 18 years old is actually so stupid. Who has ever, in the history of humans ever peaked at 18 years old. Not only that, he writes them to be slimmer, to be "more realistic". So dumb. I dont read or watch JoJo to see how "realistic" it is in terms of ART. The other aspects needs to be, but the ART doesn't. It just makes them more boring to be frank. I want to watch Arnold Schwarzenegger beat people around, not some random 16 year old who has a good fit. It just makes it worse when seeing what was taken away from part 3.

I think the main problem is the writer. He doesn't know what he created. If he did, he would've been able to replicate something like Part 3. Everything is there in the later parts to be a really good manga/anime, BUT it's not some of the best anime.

What the anime has for the later parts just makes it worse. The music in part 3 is by far the absolute best in the whole series. Distinct songs for every character. Not even the protagonist's music is good in the later parts except for part 4.

What the writer should have done is a Time-Skip. After part 3, instead of making the most powerful stand user and best protagonist absolutely pathetic is make a time-skip where part 4 starts as the grandson or great-grandson of Jotaro or something. Then you could put part 3 in it's own box and continue the next parts without having to make the pervious OP cast of characters pathetic.

Edit:people say that part 7 is good, but in my opinion its decent. I'm Roman Catholic and the whole Jesus thing is just retarded. The ending was just so so bad. The thing about "fusing" with the bones of Jesus was so dumb also. Bones of a very holy person does have power, and that why we Catholics, and even the Jews in the Old Testament kept bones of saints. But, it's not done is some creepy, perverted satanic way, or like a witch or cultist. Those people are the abhorrent of humans. It would've been more believable if it was someone like the bones of St. Peter, st. Paul, or st. John...but not Jesus. Just so dumb. He already ascended.
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