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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- A lot of despair going around again this episode. Can't these kids just have a normal life for a change? Nope. Kuon in particular is the focus this time. I hope she doesn't up like Ana... |
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| I'm enjoying this way too much , I really liked the whole discussion scene between Shingetsu and Suishou however a terrible dilemma is coming for Shingetsu if she win Granbelm , there is definitely no way to be a happy ending i guess but I keep believe. I look forward the next episode. |
EvidenceLTSep 6, 2019 12:58 PM
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| DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN the reveal bomb was as I expected, but holy shit. This is far worse than I thought it'd be, this episode was really dark. All those bombs dropping on Mangetsu must have been really shocking. The damn Psychological ambience on this episode was phenomenal! Best anime this season so far!  |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| Hmm quite the interesting revelation on Mangetsu's part. Whether its the truth or not the unity and trust between the three sure ended up being strained. If anything Kuon's sister may have been defeated but she had laid the groundwork for Kuon's revenge as well. Still Hakamada's ability to consistently turn the tide really is something. Damm Kuon came so close to getting her revenge for her sister though. To think that Mangetsu's true identity though was a doll. The hardest part of this shock has to be the loss of memory for people that she had known well. If anything this revelation also served to show that this fight is far more lethal than initially thought as seen in Kuon and Anna's fate. Damm an intense ep that while featuring heavy action in the form of Kuon's climatic battle with Hakamada also served to show quite the heavy revelations for Mangetsu as a being. |
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| That was quite the revelation. Who would have thought that Mangetsu would be a doll. Poor girl. Kuon unleashed powerful magic in her fight against Suishou. Though she has prevailed and turned the tables around with her cunning tactics. Kuon sister woke up from her sleep/curse. Looking forward to her interaction with Mangetsu. |
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| Such a pervasive feeling of sadness and loneliness in this episode, especially when Mangetsu was walking through town in the rain. Not going to lie I thought the 'big reveal' could have been done better but despite the pretty brutal stuff that has been going on, it really grounds itself in this plaintive atmosphere that doesn't feel cheap or exaggerated . This anime has really strong direction too. Also, I need to buy the OST for this if it ever comes out. The magic seems to be an intelligence itself and combining that with the way this show has played with innate ability and 'fate' is interesting. I think something needs to be said about how often it seems characters are using each other as vessels, consuming each other, and using words such as 'mirrors,' dolls etc. |
syncrogazerSep 6, 2019 3:17 PM
| Mangetsu not getting a break. Its really interesting seeing her think about this stuff and the conflict between Shingetsu's wish and Mangetsu's desire to live. This series got 100x better once Mangetsu was revealed to be a doll. Such an interesting plot point. Hopefully we get some great Shingetsu X Mangetsu from this. I feel they might be moving towards a kind of Madoka Magica ending except they don't split up. Maybe. |
| Yuritopia FTW!!!!!!!!! BANZAI TO YURI !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| I must admit that this show really holds a deeper plot/game than it first appears to. Like this episode was something I should call a plot breaker / plot twist : I was far from light years to even think that Mangetsu was nothing but a doll created to satisfy Shingetu's need. Actually, while Kuon & Anna met the same fate, Mangetsu met one that is almost worse : instead of just dying, just disappearing like a dust, she remains, meaning she does not belong to the real world anymore but her existence isn't erased either. Very fortunately, she still has a hand of people who remember about her (currently 5, probably a 6th with Kuon's sister). What I found really terrible is that she is a doll made up will feelings, emotions : at this stage, it ain't even a doll anymore. It should be impossible to describe how she feels right now. |
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| "Did you think you were born? You were made!" Damn so Mangetsu is just a doll that Magiaconatus inserted into the town. And Shingetsu's past was also caused by Magiaconatus. RIP Kuon! Of course in the back of my head I knew Suisho would survive all that, but was still quite a shock. "My sister planned all this" "Nope, try again bro." That said Kuon's sister is now up an about again! Maybe there's more to this plan than meets the eye... |
| This is not your planet to rule. The Fallen shall rise again. |
| Man this has the most impact episode of all season for me, holy shit. |
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mvhcmaniac said: I agree with you my precious! How tf is this anime so poorly rated? It's not FMAB, but it's damn good... and it keeps getting better. Granbelm has no business being on the south side of a high 7. I think it is the mecha tag that is preventing it from reaching top heights, people aren't into the genre anymore. People are always looking for isekais and harem these days. |
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| This has been everything and more then I could have hoped for in an anime. Something im wondering about, giving what we have found out about Mangetsu. Based on the way Suishou speaks and reacts to things. Is she also not a doll herself? She has told Mangetsu that she is her mirror, she feels nothing from Kuon's attack. Even says she is not human. So who wished for her into existence and what happened to them. |
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mvhcmaniac said: How tf is this anime so poorly rated? It's not FMAB, but it's damn good... and it keeps getting better. Granbelm has no business being on the south side of a high 7. The first several episodes were really bad but it's getting a lot better, especially after the last couple episodes. My score for the anime has been pretty average as well and I will hold to it for a while, but with how it's going lately I can see my score improving greatly if it continues to show it's true potential. |
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YuyoGzm said: Clearly a 10/10, unless you are already dead inside. This anime is definitely not a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination, but it has gotten really good in the last few episodes. |
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Papa_Dragon said: This has been everything and more then I could have hoped for in an anime. Something im wondering about, giving what we have found out about Mangetsu. Based on the way Suishou speaks and reacts to things. Is she also not a doll herself? She has told Mangetsu that she is her mirror, she feels nothing from Kuon's attack. Even says she is not human. So who wished for her into existence and what happened to them. She seems to know a lot about Granbelm, more than anyone else, and seems to have no history or background despite nobody questioning her presence. I suspect she may be some sort of emissary for the Granbelm's final trial or something. She seems to orchestrate a lot of the pain and opposition to every single one of the participants, so she may be an artificial creation in order to directly test their potential. |
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| Kuon fought really well. Even obliterated an entire castle. Unfortunately, Suishou is not human.. so is not affected by the knife stab. Nene and she sisters are really helpful. Good thing they did not forget Mangetsu. On the preview for next episode. Looks like Ernesta and Mangetsu are together again. can't wait for next week! :) |
EvidenceLT said: I'm enjoying this way too much , I really liked the whole discussion scene between Shingetsu and Suishou however a terrible dilemma is coming for Shingetsu if she win Granbelm , there is definitely no way to be a happy ending i guess but I keep believe. I look forward the next episode. it feels like the Magiaconatus is using Mangetsu as a hostage.. so Ernesta cannot erase magic when she become the princeps. |
Papa_Dragon said: Something im wondering about, giving what we have found out about Mangetsu. Based on the way Suishou speaks and reacts to things. Is she also not a doll herself? She has told Mangetsu that she is her mirror, she feels nothing from Kuon's attack. Even says she is not human. So who wished for her into existence and what happened to them. Suishou clearly is not human. If it was a normal human stabbed, Kuon would have won. yeah, who created Suishou? It's one mystery I hope will be explained on the next episodes. |
| @Hylianticipated We can only find out the “real” rating after the end of the show. Firstly, the series has not yet ended, and secondly, many people prefer to rate or even start watching a show only after it has finished. For example, last year there were a bunch of shows that got + 1.5 points after the end of airing. HereticHunter said: Best anime this season so far! You will be surprised that I see this phrase in a discussion of literally every popular show in each season? Don't confuse "the best" and "my favorite." lihle808 said: I think it is the mecha tag that is preventing it from reaching top heights, people aren't into the genre anymore. People are always looking for isekais and harem these days. Ahahaha, what world do you live in? I understand that moefags hate harems, but these fantasies are just ridiculous to listen to. Especially with trying to add mecha here to seem serious. If you think that in 2019 people will pass an all-female action show with the theoretical yuri potentiali, also saying "meh, this isn't a harem", then you probably don't know anything about modern western weebs. Not to mention the fact that judging by ANN, this show is quite popular and is often called among most watched this season. |
RobertBobertSep 7, 2019 5:27 AM
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| No lesbian kissing? Anime you are a disappointment right now, go back to the kissing!!!! Fine episode i ques!! im a bit bored of all the talking and the lacking of lesbian action!! Shingetsu have some hard chooses to make in the future!!! |
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| i'm not going to drop it so late, but this episode was lame as hell for me (yes, they are all dolls, none of them are humans, right? what a shitty story lmao) ... i'm not sure if i'll give this anime more than a 5 in the end |
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Hylianticipated said: Papa_Dragon said: This has been everything and more then I could have hoped for in an anime. Something im wondering about, giving what we have found out about Mangetsu. Based on the way Suishou speaks and reacts to things. Is she also not a doll herself? She has told Mangetsu that she is her mirror, she feels nothing from Kuon's attack. Even says she is not human. So who wished for her into existence and what happened to them. She seems to know a lot about Granbelm, more than anyone else, and seems to have no history or background despite nobody questioning her presence. I suspect she may be some sort of emissary for the Granbelm's final trial or something. She seems to orchestrate a lot of the pain and opposition to every single one of the participants, so she may be an artificial creation in order to directly test their potential. That may well be. Though if she is. she doesnt want to play that role anymore. |
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| The brutal revelations that this episode delivered was excellent. The despair is certainly real and it has me hooked! I feel for poor Kuon. Even after Suishou's reveal that Mangetsu was a doll, she did her upmost best to take Suishou down and, after a long battle between the two, it did look like Kuon would FINALLY take down Suishou for good. However, it turned out that Suishou was also a doll and she simply took the knife that Kuon used on her and stabbed Kuon, finishing her off for good and erasing her existence in the process. The downward spiral of despair for Mangetsu was only getting started. Finding out that she's a doll filled with human emotions was one thing that she struggled to understand at all, but seeing her "family" failing to recognise who she was anymore was brutal to watch. Not only that, but pretty much no one knows that Mangetsu even exists anymore, apart from Nene and her sisters, as well as Shingetsu, too. As for Shingetsu, she was given a massive speech by Suishou about magiaconatus itself and how she vows to win the Granbelm tournament herself. I really hope not, but things have been going her way all this time. She's going to be the final hurdle if Mangetsu or Shingetsu wants to win this tournament, but I still wonder if magiaconatus also created Suishou to be a test. Hopefully this'll be answered in the next episode. Although Kuon is gone, Shisui is now better and she made her approach to Mangetsu, who was having an emotional breakdown at the time. I hope she can help Mangetsu in her time of need. =) |
RobertBobert said: @Hylianticipated We can only find out the “real” rating after the end of the show. Firstly, the series has not yet ended, and secondly, many people prefer to rate or even start watching a show only after it has finished. For example, last year there were a bunch of shows that got + 1.5 points after the end of airing. HereticHunter said: Best anime this season so far! You will be surprised that I see this phrase in a discussion of literally every popular show in each season? Don't confuse "the best" and "my favorite." Don't compare me with the average MAL user that overrates every popular show, as a matter of fact, this anime isn't that popular so your analogy doesn't make sense. If what you're trying to tell me is that only popular anime can be called "the best" then you are wrong. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
HereticHunter said: RobertBobert said: @Hylianticipated We can only find out the “real” rating after the end of the show. Firstly, the series has not yet ended, and secondly, many people prefer to rate or even start watching a show only after it has finished. For example, last year there were a bunch of shows that got + 1.5 points after the end of airing. You will be surprised that I see this phrase in a discussion of literally every popular show in each season? Don't confuse "the best" and "my favorite." Don't compare me with the average MAL user that overrates every popular show, as a matter of fact, this anime isn't that popular so your analogy doesn't make sense. If what you're trying to tell me is that only popular anime can be called "the best" then you are wrong. What? What are you speaking about? My thought is simple - it's silly to call anime the best show of the season just because you personally liked it. No more and no less. |
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RobertBobert said: HereticHunter said: Don't compare me with the average MAL user that overrates every popular show, as a matter of fact, this anime isn't that popular so your analogy doesn't make sense. If what you're trying to tell me is that only popular anime can be called "the best" then you are wrong. What? What are you speaking about? My thought is simple - it's silly to call anime the best show of the season just because you personally liked it. No more and no less. How is it silly? I call it the best because I have more than enough reasons to say so, I'm not just blindly saying its the best because "I personally liked it" I'm not as shallow as you think I am. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
HereticHunter said: RobertBobert said: What? What are you speaking about? My thought is simple - it's silly to call anime the best show of the season just because you personally liked it. No more and no less. How is it silly? I call it the best because I have more than enough reasons to say so, I'm not just blindly saying its the best because "I personally liked it" I'm not as shallow as you think I am. This is silly, because it is very subjective and is largely based on the fact that we all watch only at what we like and what we find interesting. Therefore, I specifically emphasized the difference between "best" and "my favorite". |
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RobertBobert said: HereticHunter said: How is it silly? I call it the best because I have more than enough reasons to say so, I'm not just blindly saying its the best because "I personally liked it" I'm not as shallow as you think I am. This is silly, because it is very subjective and is largely based on the fact that we all watch only at what we like and what we find interesting. Therefore, I specifically emphasized the difference between "best" and "my favorite". ... Please, mind your own business. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
with only a few episodes left. It feels like Suishou will be the finall villain.. unless the writers are still hiding some things from us. I do hope Mangetsu will not be sacrificed to erase magic. Better if she and Ernesta live together. |
| I originally picked up this show because a close friend of mine said it was going to go in this direction. So this episode made me happy, but it took way to long to get to this point. The early episodes did a good job making the characters like able and had some nice foreshadowing. Yet I think many of the early stuff could have been edited down so we could have more moments like this episode provided. Oh well, better late than never. Glad I didn’t drop the series. |
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Ernesta being the one loved by magic and the only real candidate to become the Princeps mage was pretty well foreshadowed: |
HereticHunter said: RobertBobert said: This is silly, because it is very subjective and is largely based on the fact that we all watch only at what we like and what we find interesting. Therefore, I specifically emphasized the difference between "best" and "my favorite". ... Please, mind your own business. As you want. I'm just tired of the people who call the best show of the season / year / genre everything that they personally liked. |
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| Big oof. That was horribly depressing for me to watch after Mangetsu returned from the fight. I want to see a happy finale... |
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RobertBobert said: As you want. I'm just tired of the people who call the best show of the season / year / genre everything that they personally liked. Oh my, how terrible, what can we do about it? Oh yes, how about you just ignore them? it shouldn't be that hard to do isn't it? You can't just go there and force people to do things the way you want. The world doesn't work that way. If you are a casual watcher who doesn't care whether an anime is the best of the season/year or not, then keep it to yourself, don't stick your nose where you weren't called. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
HereticHunter said: RobertBobert said: As you want. I'm just tired of the people who call the best show of the season / year / genre everything that they personally liked. Oh my, how terrible, what can we do about it? Oh yes, how about you just ignore them? it shouldn't be that hard to do isn't it? You can't just go there and force people to do things the way you want. The world doesn't work that way. If you are a casual watcher who doesn't care whether an anime is the best of the season/year or not, then keep it to yourself, don't stick your nose where you weren't called. At the moment, only you continue to support life in this conversation, making it a big deal, buddy. |
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RobertBobert said: @Hylianticipated We can only find out the “real” rating after the end of the show. Firstly, the series has not yet ended, and secondly, many people prefer to rate or even start watching a show only after it has finished. For example, last year there were a bunch of shows that got + 1.5 points after the end of airing. That's what I'm saying. It was pretty bad at first but it's getting better so I expect my score will improve if it continues to do better, and I can expect the same about many users. My score right now has been teetering around a 5 and a 6 but was about a 4 for a while. If it keeps getting better I expect I'll give it about a 6 or 7 for a pretty good anime overall. However, it all depends on how it goes going forward--for all I know the last several episodes could be horrendous. |
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| mystifying is the second half of the episode all about how Shingetsu's super secret wish for a bestie created Mangetsu… somehow… and now that the secret's out, she's being erased from existence… again, somehow. We just kind of ignore the questions of why her, and why it would do such a half-assed job of animating a mannequin and brainwashing everyone |
| So... our MC isn't really the MC, but rather the "supporting character" While the real MC has been Shingetsu all along. Hmm... I guess this is also how Magiaconatus was able to make ppls forget about Anna, since the stupid thing can manipulate memories... Tho somehow they made it so certain girls doesn't forget again... like Anna... Where as Nene forgot about Anna, but here she remembers Mangetsu even tho she's forgotten by other ppls. ___ ___ ___ Also, RIP Kuon... And also RIP Anna, guess some ppls are pissed now, since she's literally declared as "Dead" in this episode. (tho exactly how is Kuon's sis back up? Suishou is still alive and kicking... she hasn't removed the curse yet did she?) ___ ___ ___ Also... is Suishou also a being created by Magiaconatus too? Since she knows bunch of shit (and apparently doesn't feel pain or injured in any way) I think she's the "bad" doll, where she tries and mindbreak and corrupts people while Mangetsu is the "good" doll and tries to make up and help people Magiaconatus created both to test the mages, so if everyone sucked, Suishou just kills everyone. (probably why no one has yet to declared as a victor/ winner in 3000+ years... cause no one wins, everyone dies) ___ ___ ___ Also, I guess this explains my question from earlier episode, about how no one knows about this BR, as I said there must be other girls from before this doing the thing for 3000+ years too, yet no one knows about it until just recently. Turns out everyone just has their memories manipulated and other girls existence erased so no one really knows about Magiaconatus until it decide to pick another batch of girls to fight in it's stupid BR. |
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| @amlg Just because she is not human does not yet cancel her MC status. She is the central character and POV of the story. Hylianticipated said: RobertBobert said: @Hylianticipated We can only find out the “real” rating after the end of the show. Firstly, the series has not yet ended, and secondly, many people prefer to rate or even start watching a show only after it has finished. For example, last year there were a bunch of shows that got + 1.5 points after the end of airing. That's what I'm saying. It was pretty bad at first but it's getting better so I expect my score will improve if it continues to do better, and I can expect the same about many users. My score right now has been teetering around a 5 and a 6 but was about a 4 for a while. If it keeps getting better I expect I'll give it about a 6 or 7 for a pretty good anime overall. However, it all depends on how it goes going forward--for all I know the last several episodes could be horrendous. Well, personally, I'm not very motivated by this show, but I will only watch it after the finale. I think that such shows give a better experience when viewed in one gulp. |
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| We will have a lot this thrill and psychological stuff like this in Re:zero s2 . I will happy if this director do Re;zero anime again . HEck even they use this studio. |
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| I'm not sure about how I feel after 10th episode but what I'm sure is that I really feel Mirai Nikki vibes. It's (for me) really comparable even more after it turned out Mangetsu is a doll. |
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