Shoujo☆Kageki Revue Starlight Episode 8 Discussion

Jacob194 said:

Is next episode gonna be about Claudine and Karen? I really hope they show their performance as well.

MrMushin said:
God I love this show so much.

The episode centered Solely on Hikari and I personally waited for an episode like this to happen, so I can like Hikari's character. Her struggle and relationship with Karen were greatly portrayed.

I loved the last fight a lot, choreographically, the sound and the animation were amazing .

5/5 WAKARIMASU



Yeah, I hope they won't just skip it,

Jacob194 said:


I know what you mean! I was waiting for Hikari's ep so bad as well.

From now on there prolly won't be much plot twists I think, I hope they show Karen x Claudine then from there it's gonna be Maya x Hikari and at the end Hikari x Karen, maybe Banana x Karen at some point but who knows... I hope they outdo my expectations this time as well!

Revvie-chan said:
My Japanese is limited, but...

Ah that's weak.
Not only my original guess about Hikari's motive that I made prior the knowledge about the timeloop turned out to be correct, that Hikari's motive was similar, but not same, as Karen's (which is bad, bcs that means the timeloop is pointless to the whole plot, and is just there so that our Big Banana can have a specific character plot that isn't synchronized well into the big plot (similar to Futaba-Kaoruko's arc and Mahiru's arc. It's just a personal arc.))
This episode also sort of deconstitute the bystander position of Mr. Giraffe who said all he wanted was "to see that fated stage that no one can predict."
Sure, Nana sort of cheated by repeating and winning all the iteration, but purposefully adding another, alive cat into the box would ruin the Schrodinger dilemma, thus breaking the most basic law of timeloop and/or time travel plot.
(It would be different if Hikari was in the loop from the start, or Hikari just happens to get stranded from outside and into the loop by chance, without any influence from a 3rd-party/a dark unknown hand that never made appearance before. But no, in this case the Giraffe pushed her into Nana's loop.)

Also they closed out Karen vs Saijou, which sucks.
But imo making the next episode about that would be stupid, bcs they finally made it clear that Karen vs Hikari is unavoidable,
so the next 4 episodes should be focused on building up towards Karen vs Hikari finale instead, and how a logical solution to a happy (or sad) ending can be achieved.
which is sad for Claudine. I actually like her. But I don't want a half-arsed ending to the whole series, especially after what they did this episode. Regardless of whether they plan a happy ending or a sad ending, instead, I want it build well.

But they can also build Claudine along, with similar method they originally built a Futaba-Claudine friendship. Hmm..

Ah, but then again, this thing is also just a metaphor to the real life condition of stage actresses/actors. Maybe I am indeed expecting too much.
Well, at least the key scenes are beautiful.

Similar, not same, but now it's same bcs Hikari breaks her curse from her own original Revue, huh? I smell a too-convenient ending incoming.
... unless someone else wins and choose to ask to break the curse of everyone, effectively ending the meaning of this whole magical Revue thing.
Hmm... Claudine, maybe? Possible. That sounds like something she would ask if she wins.
But then that will break the correlation between the audition and the plot of Starlight. Not only that will make the thing stray away from the real life thing it was "inspired" from.
Hmm....



ps.: loli Karen & loli Hikari > Karen & Hikari, btw

Revvie-chan said:
My Japanese is limited, but...

Ah that's weak.
Not only my original guess about Hikari's motive that I made prior the knowledge about the timeloop turned out to be correct, that Hikari's motive was similar, but not same, as Karen's (which is bad, bcs that means the timeloop is pointless to the whole plot, and is just there so that our Big Banana can have a specific character plot that isn't synchronized well into the big plot (similar to Futaba-Kaoruko's arc and Mahiru's arc. It's just a personal arc.))
This episode also sort of deconstitute the bystander position of Mr. Giraffe who said all he wanted was "to see that fated stage that no one can predict."
Sure, Nana sort of cheated by repeating and winning all the iteration, but purposefully adding another, alive cat into the box would ruin the Schrodinger dilemma, thus breaking the most basic law of timeloop and/or time travel plot.
(It would be different if Hikari was in the loop from the start, or Hikari just happens to get stranded from outside and into the loop by chance, without any influence from a 3rd-party/a dark unknown hand that never made appearance before. But no, in this case the Giraffe pushed her into Nana's loop.)

Also they closed out Karen vs Saijou, which sucks.
But imo making the next episode about that would be stupid, bcs they finally made it clear that Karen vs Hikari is unavoidable,
so the next 4 episodes should be focused on building up towards Karen vs Hikari finale instead, and how a logical solution to a happy (or sad) ending can be achieved.
which is sad for Claudine. I actually like her. But I don't want a half-arsed ending to the whole series, especially after what they did this episode. Regardless of whether they plan a happy ending or a sad ending, instead, I want it build well.

But they can also build Claudine along, with similar method they originally built a Futaba-Claudine friendship. Hmm..

Ah, but then again, this thing is also just a metaphor to the real life condition of stage actresses/actors. Maybe I am indeed expecting too much.
Well, at least the key scenes are beautiful.

Similar, not same, but now it's same bcs Hikari breaks her curse from her own original Revue, huh? I smell a too-convenient ending incoming.
... unless someone else wins and choose to ask to break the curse of everyone, effectively ending the meaning of this whole magical Revue thing.
Hmm... Claudine, maybe? Possible. That sounds like something she would ask if she wins.
But then that will break the correlation between the audition and the plot of Starlight. Not only that will make the thing stray away from the real life thing it was "inspired" from.
Hmm....



ps.: loli Karen & loli Hikari > Karen & Hikari, btw

Jacob194 said:


There's 4 insert songs left, so most likely 4 revues or 3 revues and starlight itself.

So to reach the top star position, first they might wanna show Karen vs Claudine, or so I hope otherwise Claudine won't have an episode dedicated to her I think.

Hikari vs Maya cause Karen already lost to Maya in ep 3.

Then for the grand finale with Hikari vs Karen.

Also Banana never fought Karen, so she might still stand in their way, but I still don't think she'll be final boss, nor will Maya be, final boss will most likely be Hikari as she made it clear she won't lose anymore, but also she doesn't want Karen's "kirameki" to be stolen.

I like how only the first 4 episodes were from Karen's perspective then the rest were from other characters'.

CHC said:


>but purposefully adding another, alive cat into the box would ruin the Schrodinger dilemma, thus breaking the most basic law of timeloop and/or time travel plot.

If you've followedthe last episode closely you would have noticed that the timeloop has already broken down as Kirin cheated Nana into repeating him saying "an unpredictable stage". Kirin disappeared before Nana was able to make her real wish. So "An unpredictable stage" was taken to be Nana's wish. That's why Kirin was able to bring Hikari here this time and not simply watching history repeats itself.

Revvie-chan said:


well, if we continue that, then yes all characters will get covered, and there's a good chance that it will go like what you said how it may go.
but what I fear is that, bcs that now that they tell us that Hikari originally participated bcs she didn't want to forget her dream with Karen, but the episode ends with a resolution that Hikari now fights for the same motive she had during her first Revue (which is to stand at the top together with Karen, same motive as Karen atm,)
whatever ending we might have for Karen & Hikari, it would be too convenient.
Convenient as in... an ending that, in order to get to it, it has to break the facts that had been established previously, and doesn't established a new fact that not only will hold the story, but also bring reward and punishment to the characters who break/doesn't break the rule.
Example like what happened this episode, with Mr. Giraffe's power abuse. It's a plot device that, while it doesn't go against Mr. Giraffe's motive, it does break his position as a judge and witness.

I will be very sad if Claudine is the only main character to not have her personal motive resolved. I actually like her.
But, as I said, I fear that the main plot of Karen and Hikari will end a stupidly convenient way.
So I hope for a deeper exploration towards the planned ending, instead.

ps.: Banana's active involvement is done, imo. But I'm sure she will still act behind the scene. As a friend.
(If you noticed, back on episode 2 (was it?), Banana had Junna researched a bit about Mr. Giraffe. I don't know if she (Banana) had told Junna about the timeloop or not, but Junna's near absence throughout the series (after her arc was done) might have a reason, which I do hope will come out in the next 4 episodes.)

Jacob194 said:
Tho in the end, Banana was protecting everyone from having their everything stolen from them...

Revvie-chan said:

Disagree.
imo, Banana (like every other character here, and every other character in any story that have good writing) has 3 layers of motive:

1. The layer she said. The motive she said she has.
This is the motive that character said. It can be good, it can be bad. But in short it's the motive the character said.
In Banana's case: "It's glowing." which ofc is how she sees the 99th performance when they're 1st year.

2. The layer she thinks. The true motive she thinks she has.
This is the background of the first layer. It can be told in a monologue. It can be told in a dialogue. But often it's not told at all, but we can guess it from the events, from what is happening. But the very sign of this is that it often is about the character's relationship with other characters and also with the setting, the world in overall.
Banana's 2nd layer is what you said. In her monologue during the timeloop, she said "she wish to protect everyone from having everything their happiness stolen."
The reason she has this is bcs she fears her friends will lose their dream next year when more people will get dropped out. aka she fears the future.

3. But Banana thinks she's protecting everyone bcs she (just like every other character) doesn't understand her own third layer.
Third layer is the deepest. It can be good, can be bad, but most importantly it's always selfish, it's always centered around her own self and her inner needs. And also it's always honest.
Only a bystander (aka, us, as readers/watchers) can understand this, bcs it requires a little bit of analysis of the personality of the character, and compare to what is happening and how she response to it.

In Banana's case, it's obvious:
"I don't want to lose my friends and all this happiness I have with them right now."
That's the reason why she records everything. That's the reason why she's the one got hit the most by the news that 2 people from his class dropped out during the end of 1st year. She doesn't want to lose that friendship. And that's why she went as far as looped that whole year.

That's why I disagree.
Banana wasn't protecting everyone. She was protecting herself from possible future losses.


ps.: Tendou realized that only at the end, btw. She failed to stop her (and then got cursed to repeat the defeat over and over again.)

Jacob194 said:


I said she was protecting them, didn't say she knew she was doing so, but she might know because she (and Junna) was researching the giraffe.

I don't get this 3 layers thingy you were talking about, but basically you're trying to say she made the loop because she loved their 99th performance (we all know that by now), and she wishes to protect everyone from having everything their happiness stolen (what I said), and she doesn't want to lose her friends.

What I said is kinda the same as the 2nd point so why would you disagree? I never said it was her only motive to protect everyone, I just stated something we figured this episode which is top star steals everyone's brilliance and by banana doing the loop nobody gets affected by it so basically she is protecting them.

Revvie-chan said:

Nah. My point was she didn't do that to protect them (from losing their dreams.) She did that to protect herself (from the feeling of losing them.)
She actually thought she was protecting them (the monologue on episode 7, during the timeloop scene.)
But, imo that's not really true. She's just afraid of losing any more of her friends.

The 3 layer thing is just a concept tool to break down Banana as a character. Maybe I should just cut myself right into the point. Sorry if it seems like a rant.

Jacob194 said:


Lmao it's fine, you're prolly right, but there's a small chance that she knows the terrible outcome of this revue since she was researching the giraffe or at least I hope (just for me to believe banana is better as a person lol)

lihle808 said:
Just a back story of Hikari, how she and Karen made the promise to be stars together. Still don't find this anime good, kinda reminds of Hibike euphonium with setting but aren't that similar because Hibike was better.

I guess I will have to see with this one, but so far it is hmm(*sigh).

Siul-08 said:
it may be inusual but i feel that the anime is just starting now, i think the best fights will come next. The OST is perfect.

Lord_Sithis said:
This is a character-focused anime, not a plot-focused one. The time loop was part of Banana's character arc, which was already closed. It doesn't need to be this huge game-changing enormous plot twist that gives a new meaning to the entire plot. The plot in this show only exists as a means to show us its characters.

Lord_Sithis said:
This is a character-focused anime, not a plot-focused one. The time loop was part of Banana's character arc, which was already closed. It doesn't need to be this huge game-changing enormous plot twist that gives a new meaning to the entire plot. The plot in this show only exists as a means to show us its characters.