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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Hm, that's one way to get liquid into someone's mouth. The female characters in this show are really fearless and definitely to watch out for. Same with that guy being able to use his eyeball technique like that. More bodies dropping to the floor. The storytelling about the Forest moving was kinda interesting. It's like the forest has a life of its own. |
Stark700Feb 19, 2018 9:19 AM
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| Interesting first bit with the water to mouth scene. Like a real ninja not just weird ass jutsu and stuff (I am talking about that stupid flying eyes thing of course). |
| I still don't really fully understand the story...I wonder why this has 24 episodes when there are clearly other ones which deserve more than 12 or 13 episodes... |
 "Le vent se lève!... Il faut tenter de vivre!" - Paul Valéry, Le Cimetière Marin - |
| Finally the story seems to be improving and we're getting a bit more clarity into what's going on. It might be to late though. a lot of people have dropped this show already |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| shogun wet himself lol. This serie getting better and better |
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| Man what a brat, not only did MC lets him live and he still gave the order to kill him, I hope Hachirou ends his suffering (but knowing he is loyal to Tadanaga's brother [and he will find out that he didn’t order the hit on them via Namenbo intel] I don’t think it will happen)... |
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| Better and better. Although I watch this show primarily because of Inori Minase, I liked how Hachirou "avenged" for the death of their parents. This was a ass-kicking scene. |
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| Namenbo's cool and hot shinobi! A lot of Revelations has been revealed when Hachirou talked with Tadanaga. A bit intense episode on the last part! 4/5. |
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| @buyukkucuk where did you hear it? The whole prologue was built on the fact that incest is the only way to preserve their unique abilities and that they, like twin children, are the only carriers of their blood. Gorone and Hanzo Hatori several times refer to them as the owners of these abilities. Nowhere is it said that someone else haded these abilities or could be their parents. |
RobertBobertFeb 20, 2018 3:24 PM
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buyukkucuk said: RobertBobert said: @buyukkucuk where did you hear it? The whole prologue was built on the fact that incest is the only way to preserve their unique abilities and that they, like twin children, are the only carriers of their blood. I should ask you where did you hear it. There is absolutely no proof that they are Gennosuke and Ooboro's children, there are only Mal users who claim that because of their powers, but if you have watched the first season you should know it's not possible. They can be still brother and sister with parents other than Gennosuke and Oboro. Hell, they might even be step siblings . Future episodes will explain these for sure. You forget that this is a show intrigue. If we have not yet been told it, it does not mean that it is impossible. Please wait. This is the first. Secondly, Gorone and Hanzo Hatori several times refer to them as the owners of these abilities. Nowhere is it said that someone else haded these abilities or could be their parents. Moreover, I perfectly remember how the first season called Oboro and Gennosuke the only and unique carriers of both the blood of their clans and the bearers of their unique forces. Until the series explicitly says that their parents are other people, there is not a single possibility that their parents are other people. |
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buyukkucuk said: RobertBobert said: If we are not exposed to intrigue, this does not mean that it is impossible. This is the first. Secondly, Gorone and Hanzo Hatori several times refer to them as the owners of these abilities. Nowhere is it said that someone else haded these abilities or could be their parents. Moreover, I perfectly remember how the first season called Oboro and Gennosuke the only and unique carriers of both the blood of their clans and the bearers of their unique forces. Until the series explicitly says that their parents are other people, there is not a single possibility that their parents are other people. You obviously forget Gennosuke wasn't the only one with the eye power, his uncle had the same power, and it's implied his grandfather had it too. Anyway, I have no intention wasting my time with you anymor,e believe whatever you want. Then why does the show talk so much about the incest and Gennosuke and Oboro? In the show was ANOTHER couple of tragic lovers from clans Iga and Koga? Why did not they tell us anything about it if Oboro spoke about this with Hanzo at the end of last season? Too many assumptions, too much excess. Too many badly combined moments and meaningless hints. You just need to wait until the series reveals all its cards. |
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buyukkucuk said: They talked about that only once, you should watch less Hentai. And it's obvious they will refer to Gennosuke and Oboro, they were the main characters of the first season, duh. You should take your own advice and wait until the story develops. Well, if you like to believe that the show throws false hints just like that, without any sense, and the characters themselves know who was MC in their first season, then this is your choice. As in the fact that the sequel suddenly invented a new pair of tragic lovers, who suspiciously similar to the story of Gennosuke and Oboro (which was never mentioned last season), just to continue the story with their children. In general, you need to read about Occam's razor, without jokes. In general, I suggest watching the show on and following its intrigues, rather than building complex and contradictory theories with a bunch of "ifs", even before the author made at least the slightest hint of it. Good night. |
RobertBobertFeb 20, 2018 4:40 PM
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buyukkucuk said: RobertBobert said: @buyukkucuk where did you hear it? The whole prologue was built on the fact that incest is the only way to preserve their unique abilities and that they, like twin children, are the only carriers of their blood. I should ask you where did you hear it. There is absolutely no proof that they are Gennosuke and Ooboro's children, there are only Mal users who claim that because of their powers, but if you have watched the first season you should know it's not possible. They can be still brother and sister with parents other than Gennosuke and Oboro. Hell, they might even be step siblings . Future episodes will explain these for sure. http://basilisk-ouka.jp/story/ Official translation: "The battle for succession that continued for three generations of shogun in the Keichō era culminated in a gruesome battle of ninja arts between the Kōga and Iga clans. Amidst a rain of flower petals, a man and woman who had decided to live for love were separated once again. However, it is said that by the hand of Hattori Hanzo's adopted son, Kyōhachirō, these two lovers were given life again and left two mementos behind. These children, born with a destiny of their own, were called Hachirō Kōga and Hibiki Iga. The former had eyes like his father's, and the latter had eyes like her mother's. It is now the Kan'ei era, and the land is at peace. As ninjas begin to disappear into the shadows after being deemed unnecessary, The Kouga and Iga clans ask a favor of Hachirō and Hibiki in hopes of reinforcing their foundations." They spent most of episode two clumsily trying to explain the same thing. Furthermore, in this episode, Hachirou declared that 18 Iga/Kouga ninja died just to determine the heir. Who is the two that lived? You're right it makes no sense considering the first season, which is why the premise of this sequel is shit. |
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| @QuattroVaginas I do not quite understand what you mean. All that you mentioned just leads to the thought that they are MC's children from the first season, who in some way were given a short second life, which, in particular, hints the words of Nobunaga about the secret of immortality in the first episode. |
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buyukkucuk said: QuattroVaginas said: http://basilisk-ouka.jp/story/ Official translation: "The battle for succession that continued for three generations of shogun in the Keichō era culminated in a gruesome battle of ninja arts between the Kōga and Iga clans. Amidst a rain of flower petals, a man and woman who had decided to live for love were separated once again. However, it is said that by the hand of Hattori Hanzo's adopted son, Kyōhachirō, these two lovers were given life again and left two mementos behind. These children, born with a destiny of their own, were called Hachirō Kōga and Hibiki Iga. The former had eyes like his father's, and the latter had eyes like her mother's. It is now the Kan'ei era, and the land is at peace. As ninjas begin to disappear into the shadows after being deemed unnecessary, The Kouga and Iga clans ask a favor of Hachirō and Hibiki in hopes of reinforcing their foundations." They spent most of episode two clumsily trying to explain the same thing. Furthermore, in this episode, Hachirou declared that 18 Iga/Kouga ninja died just to determine the heir. It was 10v10. Which 2 lived? You're right it makes no sense considering the first season, which is why the premise of this spin-off/sequel is shit. You realize what you posted nowhere proves the mcs are the children of Gennosuke and Oboro, right? The lovers given life could easily mean they are related to Gennosuke and Oboro's bloodline through other descendants. Just wait until the future episodes explain things more clearly, or just drop the show already if you are bothered it by that much. Again, too much thinking and "if". This is no better than an attempt to explain September 11 with the help of complex theories about the conspiracy of the government. At the moment, the number of almost direct hints is so great that we can regard this anime as "story hints for dummies". Do not build too complex theories, at least until the story itself makes a hint of the possibility of this. |
RobertBobertFeb 20, 2018 4:57 PM
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buyukkucuk said: RobertBobert said: Again, too much thinking and "if". This is no better than an attempt to explain September 11 with the help of complex theories about the conspiracy of the government. It's funny, you accuse me of "too much thinking" and using "ifs" (which I fail to see how that's a bad thing) yet your whole claim is based on a subjective theory. Hypocrisy is thy name. I have to tell you that the baseless "No, its you!" and direct flame is a bad way? |
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buyukkucuk said: QuattroVaginas said: http://basilisk-ouka.jp/story/ Official translation: "The battle for succession that continued for three generations of shogun in the Keichō era culminated in a gruesome battle of ninja arts between the Kōga and Iga clans. Amidst a rain of flower petals, a man and woman who had decided to live for love were separated once again. However, it is said that by the hand of Hattori Hanzo's adopted son, Kyōhachirō, these two lovers were given life again and left two mementos behind. These children, born with a destiny of their own, were called Hachirō Kōga and Hibiki Iga. The former had eyes like his father's, and the latter had eyes like her mother's. It is now the Kan'ei era, and the land is at peace. As ninjas begin to disappear into the shadows after being deemed unnecessary, The Kouga and Iga clans ask a favor of Hachirō and Hibiki in hopes of reinforcing their foundations." They spent most of episode two clumsily trying to explain the same thing. Furthermore, in this episode, Hachirou declared that 18 Iga/Kouga ninja died just to determine the heir. It was 10v10. Which 2 lived? You're right it makes no sense considering the first season, which is why the premise of this spin-off/sequel is shit. You realize what you posted nowhere proves the mcs are the children of Gennosuke and Oboro, right? The lovers given life and left mementos could easily mean the main characters are related to Gennosuke and Oboro's bloodline through other descendants (that we don't know about yet) and they were born with the same eye powers. Just wait until the future episodes explain things more clearly, or just drop the show already if you are bothered it by that much. "Easily". The text is fairly straightforward, you're literally twisting the shit out of it. Why would the eyes be mementos of Gennosuke and Oboro when they are inherent to the clan, and why did Gennosuke and Oboro need to be revived to leave them behind if Hachiro and Hibiki are not direct descendants? I abandoned all hopes for a non-hand-waving bullshit explanation back in episode 2 and brought this up only because you seem so certain they'll explain otherwise when everything shown so far points to the contrary; I'm only here for the ninja battles, or at least to see if this show ever decides to do them properly. |
| Sieg Zeon! |
| It was very dangerous, the infiltration, for to know what was the truth!!! Finally was lucky!!! |
| Saizou's did a great job helping Hachiro. The girls are not afraid to face danger! |
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| Did Tokugawa seriously pee himself? |
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| God the Tokugawa's are such useless idiots. |
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| Tadanaga really shouldn't be making enemies of Hachirou like this. He has few allies as is. |
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