| Hello ,in Oreshura ,with who Eita ends up? With Natsukawa Masuzu? I hope yes ,beacuse i loved Masuzu ,she is the reason why i watched the anime. At the final ,Eita got love for her and kissed her. After she came almost naked on him ,saying weird things but ending up with "I love you". And about Chiwa's kiss i don't understand exactly... i would like an season 2 ,to see how Eita and Masuzu evolve (if he ended up with her). |
| yep , Masuzu won @Manaban a thread for you |
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| Anyone knows where does the anime leave off ? |
| Masuzu basically won, yeah. Not tagging anything as spoilers because the thread title itself should be a clear indication that it'll be happening and it's already been said who won by other users anyway. The reason it might not seem like she really did is because after the other girls basically had their rejection announced in the most humiliating way possible (at a public contest with many attendants), after the choice was very clearly and concisely made it further decided to degrade and stomp on the other 3 by basically having them delude themselves into thinking they hadn't really lost by grasping at any potential for as much by reaching at anything Eita said. It made them look completely pathetic and selfish and out of character after unnecessarily humiliating them, all just in a farcical and shoddy attempt to preserve the harem that had already been discarded. Fuck that ending, btw. I'm usually not one to get salty over a choice ending - and yeah, best girl Chiwa didn't win - but that's not even related to why I hate that ending. I hate it so much because it was so completely cruel and degrading to the non-Masuzu cast, and even Masuzu got the shaft quite a bit by the sudden and jarring total transformation of her character. Don't forget the sudden expository dialogue in the final episode to compensate for the general lack of development Masuzu received in comparison to the rest of the female cast, btw, who had multiple episodes dedicated to fleshing them out as characters and love interests, whereas Masuzu had a couple of scenes every now and again - which just makes it even more insulting, considering both how the choice was handled and how it portrayed the rest of the haremettes' responses to it. The last 3 volumes of fucking *Haganai* had a choice ending that was better than the one in OreShura >_> But yeah, Masuzu was picked and she won. The rest of the haremettes were, quite literally, just deluding themselves into thinking they weren't rejected by Eita by grasping and reaching. Because what better way to treat characters the anime spent the most amount of time building up and fleshing out than by stomping on them as much as possible, all for the sake of not committing entirely 100% to an ending where a single girl was picked. SerOund said: And about Chiwa's kiss i don't understand exactly... The ending to the OreShura anime is Mars of Destruction quality and completely nonsensical in the context of the series, featuring developments forced by out of character reactions and the conclusion being reached almost entirely on a bit of expository dialogue, so I can't explain that really past "she was sad because she was the only one who realized she had lost to Masuzu, so instead of doing what the other two did, she responded by forcing herself onto Eita like that rather than just trying to insanely convince herself that she hadn't been rejected" just forgo 12 episodes of character development and establishment in favor of a bit of expository dialogue to force the MC to make a clear choice at the end, and boom, none of the characters acted in the way they had been established, not even the winner, who went from cruel and manipulative to completely mopey on a dime >_> |
ManabanAug 17, 2017 10:15 AM
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| Well it's not finished is it? I don't really care though, fuck the MC |
Lanz said: Well it's not finished is it? No, but I find it somewhat unlikely that it'll be continued in anime form and I'm not sure where the LNs continue from. Not that I'd look into a second season or the LNs after that shite final episode, because the only logical way to continue from that point would to have the choice already be made and the rest of the girls just there deluding themselves into thinking they're still contenders, which just seems like it'd be annoying quite frankly >_> 'Lest Eita dumps Masuzu or something, which would just make me wonder why that bit where she was clearly chosen would have to exist to begin with. |
ManabanAug 17, 2017 10:11 AM
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Manaban said: Lanz said: Well it's not finished is it? No, but I find it somewhat unlikely that it'll be continued in anime form and I'm not sure where the LNs continue from. Not that I'd look into a second season or the LNs after that shite final episode, because the only logical way to continue from that point would to have the choice already be made and the rest of the girls just there deluding themselves into thinking they're still contenders, which just seems like it'd be annoying quite frankly >_> 'Lest Eita dumps Masuzu or something, which would just make me wonder why that bit where she was clearly chosen would have to exist to begin with. There's seven volumes beyond the anime, right? So there should be further developments...Oreshura is absolutely nothing without the Shuraba. No LN readers on here? |
Lanz said: There's seven volumes beyond the anime, right? So there should be further developments...Oreshura is absolutely nothing without the Shuraba. No LN readers on here? Which what I'm saying is that I find it difficult for them to have not completely written themselves into a corner after that, so hearing there's 7 more volumes really only makes me think that they dragged it out. Like, it'd take some serious skill as a writer to continue with it from that point and not make certain parts of the series completely pointless and meaningless/not just becoming obnoxious because the rest of the girls are obsessively sticking around even though Eita had already made the choice/not relegating three-fifths of the main cast (the three who got the most amount of time spent fleshing out their characters over the course of the earlier parts of the series no less) to the sidelines in favor of 7 volumes of a one on one romance, which ties into the first one of "making things it spent a lot of time doing completely meaningless." I would be amazed if the writer managed to continue from that point without doing any of those three things, especially since, y'know, he actually included the part that includes episode 13 into his series at that point in time which just tells me that he is somebody who is willing to completely change the personalities of characters he created and stomp on them, all for the sake of just being non-committal. Makes it seem like it wasn't really thought out ahead of time, frankly. |
ManabanAug 17, 2017 10:33 AM
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| I don't remember, I watched it over 4 years ago. |
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Manaban said: even though Eita had already made the choice Slightly skeptical this happened. They probably relented I guess Not just seven volumes neither...it's not concluded yet so |
Lanz said: Manaban said: even though Eita had already made the choice Slightly skeptical this happened. They probably relented I guess Not just seven volumes neither...it's not concluded yet so That Eita chose Masuzu? I mean, a public declaration of love:  and an acknowledgement of an intimate relationship:  Seems like it makes things crystal clear. Like I've been saying - at this point, they could relent on it and make that entire shitfest of a choice completely meaningless and pointless, they can make it a 1 on 1 romance and make the rather decently long amounts of time spent fleshing out and establishing the rest of the haremettes completely meaningless, or they can keep everything the same even though it's completely different making everything meaningless, and do so in a way that's actually degrading to the remaining three by portraying them as selfish and obsessive at that. It seems like it's the penultimate example of an author writing himself into a corner. Those are the three most logical points of continuiation and it'd take serious skill to make it go any other direction - which, I am not convinced the author possesses for reasons I already explained. I would love an LN reader to come and say what they did with it after episode 13, quite frankly ._. |
ManabanAug 17, 2017 10:44 AM
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Manaban said: Lanz said: Slightly skeptical this happened. They probably relented I guess Not just seven volumes neither...it's not concluded yet so That Eita chose Masuzu? I mean, a public declaration of love: and an acknowledgement of an intimate relationship: Seems like it makes things crystal clear. Dunno really as it's years since watching it, but I did read that they were still fake lovers for a few volumes after that. |
Lanz said: Dunno really as it's years since watching it, but I did read that they were still fake lovers for a few volumes after that. well, assuming that's the case then what's the point of all of that stomping around on the rest of the haremettes like they did in episode 13 this is what i'm getting at >_> if they're just going to do nothing with that, then why include it at all and it's not like it was just a panty shot or something on the side that just didn't tie into the narrative, which i wouldn't complain about it not tying into the narrative, it was a pretty major plot point and all especially considering it was awfully OOC for all of the cast and was pretty cruel to the rest of the girls, and not in the "they got rejected" way, but the "they are going to become selfish and delusional and grasp for anything they can to convince themselves Eita would rather be with them than Masuzu after they were publically rejected in front of an audience" and considering it hasn't ended yet, it makes it seem difficult to believe that they skipped ahead to the ending of the LNs, which would make more sense albeit wouldn't be particularly good either, because that ending was still kind of ridiculous tbh And there wasn't any reason to keep up the fake relationship in this context - we saw Masuzu moping around about her lack of self-worth on stage in front of many people, Eita was away and got expository dialogue from Masuzu's little sister, which in turn caused him to run to her and declare his love for her publicly, in front of everybody else. It wasn't like they were doing it to keep the farce going, the way it portrayed it made it seem like there was both reason to be sincere (even though the way it gave that reason was completely contrived) and no reason to insincere, so eh >_> |
ManabanAug 17, 2017 10:59 AM
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Manaban said: Lanz said: Dunno really as it's years since watching it, but I did read that they were still fake lovers for a few volumes after that. well, assuming that's the case then what's the point of all of that stomping around on the rest of the haremettes like they did in episode 13 this is what i'm getting at >_> if they're just going to do nothing with that, then why include it at all and it's not like it was just a panty shot or something on the side that just didn't tie into the narrative, which i wouldn't complain about it not tying into the narrative, it was a pretty major plot point and all especially considering it was awfully OOC for all of the cast and was pretty cruel to the rest of the girls, and not in the "they got rejected" way, but the "they are going to become selfish and delusional and grasp for anything they can to convince themselves Eita would rather be with them than Masuzu after they were publically rejected in front of an audience" and considering it hasn't ended yet, it makes it seem difficult to believe that they skipped ahead to the ending of the LNs, which would make more sense albeit wouldn't be particularly good either, because that ending was still kind of ridiculous tbh And there wasn't any reason to keep up the fake relationship in this context - we saw Masuzu moping around about her lack of self-worth on stage in front of many people, Eita was away and got expository dialogue from Masuzu's little sister, which in turn caused him to run to her and declare his love for her publicly, in front of everybody else. It wasn't like they were doing it to keep the farce going, the way it portrayed it made it seem like there was both reason to be sincere (even though the way it gave that reason was completely contrived) and no reason to insincere, so eh >_> All the reasons to tell off the production for another half-arsed LNH adaptation then... |
| Not an LN reader but I did read some forums before because like you I was curious on who won in the end of LN. LN is ongoing but from what I read, Eita and Masuzu broke up. (Hoping it is temporary). I am for team Masuzu. I wish theyre together in the end |
| WHAT KIND OF SORCERY IS THIS???!!!! holy fucking shit, i was JUST ABOUT to start this anime RIGHT NOW LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL i guess im better off leaving this thread and just watching myself XD OP YOU FUCKING WIZARD... *sees thread was from 3 hours ago* oh... still.. i just happened to click AD and see this thread right before starting the show lol |
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SerOund said: Hello ,in Oreshura ,with who Eita ends up? With Natsukawa Masuzu? I hope yes ,beacuse i loved Masuzu ,she is the reason why i watched the anime. At the final ,Eita got love for her and kissed her. After she came almost naked on him ,saying weird things but ending up with "I love you". And about Chiwa's kiss i don't understand exactly... i would like an season 2 ,to see how Eita and Masuzu evolve (if he ended up with her). The anime ending was pretty open explanatory, I mean back when I still haven't read the novel, I assumed the last episode was a harem end. I'm still 4 volumes left behind but to give you a few spoiler.... If someone could continue from here or have any clarifications, that's appreciated. |
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Manaban said: Masuzu basically won, yeah. Not tagging anything as spoilers because the thread title itself should be a clear indication that it'll be happening and it's already been said who won by other users anyway. The reason it might not seem like she really did is because after the other girls basically had their rejection announced in the most humiliating way possible (at a public contest with many attendants), after the choice was very clearly and concisely made it further decided to degrade and stomp on the other 3 by basically having them delude themselves into thinking they hadn't really lost by grasping at any potential for as much by reaching at anything Eita said. It made them look completely pathetic and selfish and out of character after unnecessarily humiliating them, all just in a farcical and shoddy attempt to preserve the harem that had already been discarded. Fuck that ending, btw. I'm usually not one to get salty over a choice ending - and yeah, best girl Chiwa didn't win - but that's not even related to why I hate that ending. I hate it so much because it was so completely cruel and degrading to the non-Masuzu cast, and even Masuzu got the shaft quite a bit by the sudden and jarring total transformation of her character. Don't forget the sudden expository dialogue in the final episode to compensate for the general lack of development Masuzu received in comparison to the rest of the female cast, btw, who had multiple episodes dedicated to fleshing them out as characters and love interests, whereas Masuzu had a couple of scenes every now and again - which just makes it even more insulting, considering both how the choice was handled and how it portrayed the rest of the haremettes' responses to it. The last 3 volumes of fucking *Haganai* had a choice ending that was better than the one in OreShura >_> But yeah, Masuzu was picked and she won. The rest of the haremettes were, quite literally, just deluding themselves into thinking they weren't rejected by Eita by grasping and reaching. Because what better way to treat characters the anime spent the most amount of time building up and fleshing out than by stomping on them as much as possible, all for the sake of not committing entirely 100% to an ending where a single girl was picked. SerOund said: And about Chiwa's kiss i don't understand exactly... The ending to the OreShura anime is Mars of Destruction quality and completely nonsensical in the context of the series, featuring developments forced by out of character reactions and the conclusion being reached almost entirely on a bit of expository dialogue, so I can't explain that really past "she was sad because she was the only one who realized she had lost to Masuzu, so instead of doing what the other two did, she responded by forcing herself onto Eita like that rather than just trying to insanely convince herself that she hadn't been rejected" just forgo 12 episodes of character development and establishment in favor of a bit of expository dialogue to force the MC to make a clear choice at the end, and boom, none of the characters acted in the way they had been established, not even the winner, who went from cruel and manipulative to completely mopey on a dime >_> I kinda agree with your judgement ..All the character development turned out to naught and the author just made a mess of it and turned into a dish made by Misty(Pokemon) which u cant gulp it down lol... There wasnt much premise and growth in their relationship to justify the act ... Still what amazes me is the LN still lingers on and going by the comments they are still putting up the facade..What kind of bullshiit is that after coming clean in front of a crowd ... |
| I've just finished Oreshura and really liked it and the ending, in so far as he chose someone, and it seemed like Eita chose the person that he had feelings for (the fact those feelings derived from a fake relationship is by the by). The only aspect I didn't like was the way the show treated the other 3 girls after Eita chose Masuzu at the contest, as other users mention above, it seemed pointlessly cruel to have them carry on being deluded that he may chose them. He had 4 girls and he picked one, deal with it, I know it hurts but that's the normal, healthy thing to do, and something harem shows never tackle well. I was really impressed by the aunt saying that he needed to push the other 3 girls away, both for him and their own sakes, otherwise they would just get more hurt. So I was expecting tears from the other 3, but no, they all deluded themselves further, particularly Chiwa kissing him, although maybe it was like a farewell kiss. Chiwa, more than either of the others, appreciates that Eita actually likes Masuzu and you can't fight against someones heart, so she just wanted to kiss him for once. That's what I think that kiss meant to her, but they didn't explain it so it's completely open to interpretation. If they'd had Eita gently push those 3 away in those final scenes (even keep the Chiwa kiss, but have her say she just wanted to show him how much she'd grown or something similar & now she could move on, although it would hurt etc) then that would have been the undisputed best harem show ever. Instead it was great, but not a masterpiece, and it could have been! NB - i see the LN is still going on so assume they didn't make the ending so conclusive to keep it open, maybe for a 2nd season. |
23feanorNov 20, 2019 5:59 AM
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Sasusoke said: I Just finished the anime, Can I have some questions answer and I really don't care about spoilers anyways but like does Eita and Masuzu actually become official in the end of anime and manga? Cos I got so lost in this thread. For me I really hope they do date for real and like just them two The manga and anime end at the same point, without a definitive pairing. The light novel took a three year break and recently released volume 14 in May - I believe it's still ongoing. |
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