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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- So it starts out with Koichi in this series huh? And right off the bad, already some tension. I hope there are some memorable Stands in this 5th part. |
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| I haven't heard too many great things about this part, but I'm interested to see how it turns out. So I guess Giorno's our new protagonist. And it's great to see Josuke and Koichi again! 4/5 |
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| I imagine a fair number of anime watchers who got into Jojo this year will be picking up Part 5 now, although skipping to Part 6 is also an option. I started the anime last year and caught up a couple of months ago, so I'm starting the manga here. I'm reading the new scans / new translation, which right now seems to be complete on vol. 47-60 with vol. 61-63 still to go. When I get to that part I'll just wait to read chapters as they come out. |
DavidAvigdor said: It's ok but i wouldn't recommend it. yes, it is considered the "worst" part but it's not that bad at all. It has some of the coolest stands and some of the best fights. For me it's on par with (or even better than) part 3. And I happen to have all part 5 colored for download. I'm uploading it all to Mega for a friend and I can send you the links as I create them. For only 1000 yen?!? Sure, thanks! :D I've heard very little about it either bad or good, which is a big part of why I want to read it for myself, rather than waiting for the anime to find out what's up with it. Also to get to Part 6 (which seems like I'd like it) and of course the wonderchild that is Part 7. Actually I've even heard/read more criticism of Part 3 than of 5. |
| After further discussion via PM it seems that older translations can be outright confusing, so I'll stick with the new one after all. Does anyone know whether Part 5 is better-regarded in Japan than it is in the west, since the home audience never had to deal with bad scans and inadequate translations? My reply yesterday that I've now deleted to avoid double posting: DavidAvigdor said: TBH the criticism to part 3 is more apparent but part's 5 criticism is more harsh. But at this point most people (at least from the people I've talked to) agree that the bad scans are the main source of this criticism. Part 5 is (for me) the better spaced, more interesting version of part 3. Part 3 got repetitive at some point and kinda dragged on and on + the stands weren't as bizarre (bizarre is good ) as in later parts. Yeah, what I've heard is that Araki perfected the way he used stands in Part 4, and everything from then on was on a higher plane in that regard. (And even better again in Part 7) I am surprised by the vacuum of discussion here. Most old titles from known franchises have substantially more than this, though I am thinking of anime, not manga. |
nDroae said: After further discussion via PM it seems that older translations can be outright confusing, so I'll stick with the new one after all. Does anyone know whether Part 5 is better-regarded in Japan than it is in the west, since the home audience never had to deal with bad scans and inadequate translations? From what I've heard, Part 5 is well liked by Japanese. https://www.reddit.com/r/StardustCrusaders/comments/4fk8nh/how_popular_is_each_part_in_japan_and_why/?st=ix5bwbhl&sh=dc47ab4d |
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DavidAvigdor said: nDroae said: After further discussion via PM it seems that older translations can be outright confusing, so I'll stick with the new one after all. Does anyone know whether Part 5 is better-regarded in Japan than it is in the west, since the home audience never had to deal with bad scans and inadequate translations? My reply yesterday that I've now deleted to avoid double posting: Yeah, what I've heard is that Araki perfected the way he used stands in Part 4, and everything from then on was on a higher plane in that regard. (And even better again in Part 7) I am surprised by the vacuum of discussion here. Most old titles from known franchises have substantially more than this, though I am thinking of anime, not manga. Part 5 is the second most popular part in Japan. The most popular is part 3. in the bottom of the list of popularity are part 7 and part 4 (yes, the parts that us, the west, likes the most) Correct me if i'm wrong, but that's not surprising considering Jotaro being the face of the manga during its surge of popularity, along with the video games and OVA's that came out. I find it surprising that part 4 is the one that westerners like, I imagined it would be the same because the OVAs for jojo were from part 3 as well. Perhaps that's due to the fans gained during the current anime run of JoJo. I have only heard about Josuke recently. Nothing about Johnathan, Joseph, and a little of Jotaro |
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DavidAvigdor said: TheBlackCrow said: Correct me if i'm wrong, but that's not surprising considering Jotaro being the face of the manga during its surge of popularity, along with the video games and OVA's that came out. I find it surprising that part 4 is the one that westerners like, I imagined it would be the same because the OVAs for jojo were from part 3 as well. Perhaps that's due to the fans gained during the current anime run of JoJo. I have only heard about Josuke recently. Nothing about Johnathan, Joseph, and a little of Jotaro That's probably the main reason,yes. And it's not that westerners don't like part 3, we/they do.In terms of popularity it's probably the most popular as well. It's just that there is alot of criticism about it whereas (maybe that's because I'm not from japan so I can't find it) Japan just seems to absolutely love part 3. So what I'm saying is that in terms of popularity, both in the west and in Japan part 3 is (probably) the most popular whereas in terms of critical acclaim part 3 and 5 are the most critically acclaimed in Japan and in the West parts 4 and 7 are the most critically acclaimed. That's at least my take on this subject as I'm no expert myself I'm no expert either but that sounds about right! At the very least I don't question it. Thanks for the elaboration! Part 5 is pretty divisive amongst fans from what I've been reading on this forum and others, so I guess i'll just have to see how I feel about it. 10 chapters in thus far and I've been enjoying it. |
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| Actual comment on chapter: isn't Yukako upset that Koichi went to the most romantic country on earth without her? :P Badass said: From what I've heard, Part 5 is well liked by Japanese. https://www.reddit.com/r/StardustCrusaders/comments/4fk8nh/how_popular_is_each_part_in_japan_and_why/?st=ix5bwbhl&sh=dc47ab4d Thanks :) Some interesting comments in that thread, especially this by DioBlando: If you think about how a lot of people in Japan consume manga it's not actually in one giant chunk. A lot of people will be (were) reading JJBA through Shounen Jump, and another group of people will be buying and reading volumes over a period of time. This is why Parts 3 and 5 do so well in Japan, they're super consistent in terms of delivering high octane battles. Every week you could pic up Jumpu and read something solid, every volume you buy will have something cool in it. Contrast this with Western fans who tend to speed-read the entire part in a matter of days or weeks, things blur together and the repetitive nature of battles can become duller. Hence western fans rate Part 4's variety and Part 2's brevity so much, but Part 3 and 5 get a very different reaction. I had no idea 5 was so popular there. I read manga slowly, so maybe that's a good thing for me. I look forward to my main sources (Super Best Friendcast and The Weebcast) having to actually talk about it at length for the first time. :D |
| I wanted to wait for the new scans before reading this but they were taking too long so I said fuck it. Probably the part I've been anticipating the most (yes, even more so than part 7) so hopefully I'll end up on the side that loves this when all of this is done. |
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| Huh Koichi is gonna be involved in this eh? And that guy...Gio...DIO?! |
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| I can't wait for the anime to air, so here I am... Reading ahead because I can't get enough jjba :P |
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| Koichi is in Italy, cool. |
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| Kouichi was really tricked there, if he wasn't a Stand user the luggage woud be gone, but wait, it seems it's still gone, lol! |
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| I can't believe that I'm finally gonna read Part 5 and advance on to Part 6 and above soon after! Giorno looks very different from his look in the anime which goes for every new character around the beginning so it makes me curious on what chapter Araki will establish his final design later on. Koichi's briefcase's transformation definitely looks more like the work of an enemy Stand here. |
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| I can't stand Koichi, and going into part 5, I was so happy I could leave him behind. And then he came back on the first page!!!! Why!!!!! I knew we'd go to Italy and expected a fresh cast, yet my demon has followed us here. Hyperbole beside, I dug the detail that he can speak Italian canonically thanks to Heaven's Door! Maybe this explicit mention was inspired by the amount of people asking what language(s) were spoken in Stardust Crusaders. Beyond that, Giorno and the mystery around him was effectively set up. In particular there is a strong parallel to the beginning of part 4. Jotaro was on a mission to find a mysterious boy with Koichi and they stumbled upon him out of coincidence. The boy being eccentric and surrounded by others. Swap Jotaro being the one investigating with Koichi, and swap turtle-sitting with popping an ear inside your head and it matches. With that lens to look at the scene, Josuke brutally beat some bullies, but this was the exception. Otherwise he was literally healing and passive, his eccentricity was genuine. Giorno on the other hand used his eccentricity as a front for his self interest, bribing guards, then showed an active and 'serene' approach to robbing tourists. As if this is his forte. Not to be reductive, but Josuke was far kinder disregarding the exception and felt like a meandering teen through and through, Giorno feels self interested and goal oriented. That said, introducing a new protagonist in a criminal light isn't anything new, Joseph was punching cops, and Jotaro was in jail! |
| forgor to post, its golden wind part 5 time kinda shat on it, but I think I could end up liking part 5, i was kinda speedrunning and also had an expectations it was gonna be bad because of my friends |
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