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Jan 20, 2014 11:33 PM
#51
Baddie007 said: Oh man the back story was impressive it is almost like what happen in the French Revolution. So, since Kal is gonna want some pay-back on Nina, what's gonna happen when he finds out that Clair is Nina? Just a note of caution here, Claire isn't established to be Nina yet. straggy said: This anime is one of the worst this season to be quite honest, but the flashback of the revolution was interesting enough for me to keep it up for another week. Still keeping it as a 4/10 overall, though. And from a guy who rated High School DxD 10/10, I guess I'm happy with how one of my current favorites of the season is rated low on his scale... |
Jan 20, 2014 11:39 PM
#52
Jan 20, 2014 11:42 PM
#53
wtf where do people get the idea that Claire = Nina They look nothing alike. No hint at all lol |
Jan 21, 2014 12:28 AM
#54
Kal-el's past was really tragic. It makes you wonder about the state of politics in the former Ballesteros Empire, though. It was implied that that the Royal Family was overthrown for a more democratic government, and that the system under Gregorio's rule was heavily stratified (Faust supports the old system and we know he treats the commoner kids from Centezual like dirt). Also, going by the Ameriano’s words (something about how “the people” overthrew the La Hire family) and the mood of the crowd, I'd say there had been growing dissatisfaction among the lower classes in the Ballesteros Empire for a long time. From the perspective of a nine-year-old boy, however, his parents' fates were undeserved and unnecessarily cruel, and it's a testament to the Albus family's support that he's grown into a (mostly) well-adjusted young man. The psychological scars are certainly there, as his thoughts regarding Nina Viento border on murderous and- despite his mother’s advice- he has a lot of hatred in his heart. I wonder if he’s ever stopped to think about how young Nina was when she took part in the Wind Revolution. Also, did anyone notice that Kal-el lied to Claire when he told her that they were out of ammo? I thought those were empty bullets at first, but someone corrected me later. I wonder why- is it for revenge? Speaking of Claire, this episode piqued my curiosity regarding both her and Ignacio. It’s pretty clear that she knows more than she’s letting on. Note her look of discomfort when Ignacio left the dinner hall or whenever the topic of Nina Viento is brought up. I wonder if she is acquainted with both of them on a somewhat personal basis. If so, Claire probably knew them through Admiral Luis, who’s part of Isla’s government alongside Nina and who doesn’t seem to be the type to discriminate against those who aren’t of noble birth. If she’ really keeping in touch with Nina Viento… oh boy, I foresee a lot of drama in the future. And Ignacio… he was a rather scraggly kid, wasn’t he? I mean, I knew he wasn’t a noble (he didn’t live in Van Whyl), but he looked like he hadn’t been cleaned in ages in that flashback. Considering the well-groomed teenager we see in the present day, I wasn’t expecting him to have endured conditions that might have possibly hinted at poverty (if his appearance was any indicator). That malevolent smile he gave upon seeing the La Hire family being humiliated was mildly unsettling. That, and the fact that Ignacio already knows who Kal-el is, has convinced me that his dislike for the other boy might be more personal than I initially thought. I was also quite surprised to find out that he was quite the class slacker- he looks like he'd be the aloof genius or something. It really begs the question Kal-el was asking at the dinner table, doesn't it? Why did he enrol if he doesn't care for the classes? |
dokidokidoingJan 21, 2014 12:49 AM
Jan 21, 2014 12:46 AM
#55
mezzo12 said: there is something i didnt understand , why Clair was able to see the route when they get into the clouds? What I'm thinking, Let's say Claire is Nina. The Wind Revolution was called that because the priestess Nina Viento had some sort of wind power, correct? If so, would that connect somehow to her seeing through the clouds. |
Jan 21, 2014 2:01 AM
#56
Why do flashbacks always have to be brought up in such a clumsy manner ? |
Jan 21, 2014 3:01 AM
#57
straggy said: This anime is one of the worst this season to be quite honest, but the flashback of the revolution was interesting enough for me to keep it up for another week. Still keeping it as a 4/10 overall, though. AND...from someone who can drop Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova...its really invalid your opinion... |
Jan 21, 2014 3:17 AM
#58
What a terrible past. |
Jan 21, 2014 4:00 AM
#59
Jan 21, 2014 4:50 AM
#60
Jan 21, 2014 7:15 AM
#61
Oh that curry looking so tasty The fragment of the war that was shown was quite nice, Karl's background story and the fall of the empire was well done Claire seems to have a lot of gun and piloting knowledge, she navigated Kal el calmly to safety |
Jan 21, 2014 7:18 AM
#62
If this anime ends with him laughing hysterically over Nina's dead body, this anime gets a 10/10 from me, no questions asked. It's unbearably exciting when the plot is driven by revenge. Unfortunately, knowing the plot description, it'll probably end with something like "I'll forgive you! Let's be good friends. The end." like some kindergarten argument over who gets to play in the sandbox first. Prepared for disappointment, but pretty good for now. |
Jan 21, 2014 8:22 AM
#63
Clair in the light novel is really Nina del viento, and Ignacio is the bastard brother of Kal, the mother of Ignacio lover was father of Kal, so Ignacio anger because his father drove him and his mother's castle Mod edit. Spoiler tag added. |
AversaJan 21, 2014 12:05 PM
Jan 21, 2014 8:48 AM
#64
Whoa, looks like whatever happen to Kal's family was similar to the French revolution, pretty sad for him, so if Clair happens to be Nina, what will Kal do to her? |
Jan 21, 2014 9:56 AM
#65
straggy said: This anime is one of the worst this season to be quite honest, but the flashback of the revolution was interesting enough for me to keep it up for another week. Still keeping it as a 4/10 overall, though. Coming from a guy who rated FMAB a 4, Gintama a 5 and HoTD a 10 and Highschool DxD a 10. Yup, your opinion is definetely invalid. |
Jan 21, 2014 10:53 AM
#67
ibrahim2712 said: straggy said: This anime is one of the worst this season to be quite honest, but the flashback of the revolution was interesting enough for me to keep it up for another week. Still keeping it as a 4/10 overall, though. Coming from a guy who rated FMAB a 4, Gintama a 5 and HoTD a 10 and Highschool DxD a 10. Yup, your opinion is definetely invalid. Not to mention giving Higurashi and The Rebellion Story a 1, and K Project a 10. I'm gonna be pissed if Claire is Nina.. |
Jan 21, 2014 11:16 AM
#68
Kal's past was horrible. I can see why he hates Nina Viento so much. He is the last bloodline to his kingdom. So that's how he survived back then. TwT. Ah Ignacio was there in the past. Hm Why does he hate him? Maybe Ignacio is from a royal family too like Kal-El |
Jan 21, 2014 12:41 PM
#69
Wow, talk about compelling. How this anime keeps me caring for every character is a big +. It would be funny if Claire was Nina's relative or daughter. |
Jan 21, 2014 2:04 PM
#70
Jan 21, 2014 2:53 PM
#71
HowTragic said: Prepared for disappointment, but pretty good for now. ^This. It's almost certain it's going to be another Valvrave/Guilty Fail er Crown ending coming. That and if you can believe what the Japanese wiki says what happens. Open ambiguous ending where we're left to decide what could have happened. If the anime stays faithful to the LN. Which isn't always the case this season *cough* Mahou Sensou butchery. |
Jan 21, 2014 3:24 PM
#72
Awesome episode! Best so far and a good backstory, really filled me up with some good information i was wondering about. |
Jan 21, 2014 5:30 PM
#73
The direction for this show is starting to show its true colors, and it is not a colorful one. NINA VIENTO So Kal's backstory is finally given an introduction, but this was just poorly executed. Firstly, known character dynamics between Kal and his parents, especially between him and his mother is practically bare. Nor do we even know anything about his mom. Secondly, we don't even know the reason behind the rebellion regarding the shift from an empire to a republic, making all that shouting by the mobs uneventful. As a result of these reasons, Kal's ANGER and FRUSTRATION and all that crying is melodramatic. Oh yeah, and I liked the cinematography during the flashback (sarcasm); everything including the background and the buildings painted in grey, rain falling, and Kal sitting in the very center at one shot (technique used to make the viewer focus their attention at the drooping, sorrow Kal all the while rain is falling with a grey background. Uh-huh. In other words, this cinematography is suggesting that we should feel some kind of sympathy towards Kal, but I can't feel this way when a lot of the things are poorly executed. NINA VIENTO I liked the part when Kal's new father picked him up towards the sky, and at that exact moment, the clouds pull away, rain suddenly stops, and SUNSHINE baths Kal. It's unrealistic, and funny too. I got a chuckle from that scene. NINA VIENTO Some of the vocabulary thrown in sound pretentious too, like "light will turn into darkness", or when that one guy said "It's like the wind is singing a song of destruction" something like that. I might had welcomed such usage of vocabulary if we knew more about the characters and were shown at least some degree of worldbuilding as to the culture and/or politics. Without it, these words just come off pretentious, empty, lifeless, and even meaningless. (Especially that guy who said something about the 'song of destruction'. Ooh, you're so articulate and profound in selecting your words! NINA VIENTO What else? Why is Kal so focused on solely blaming NINA VIENTO for the deaths of his parents? What about the other important military/political leaders who were heavily involved in the mission to eradicate the empire? His anger is confusing. Was NINA VIENTO the sole cause of his parents' death? No, in fact she wasn't even the one who executed his father and mother. She just summoned a windstorm which helped the republic attain his parents. That all being said, I'm still enjoying it to an extent because I like the fantasy backdrop. I guess I can be kinda a sucker for that stuff. :) |
GaryFrostJan 21, 2014 5:57 PM
Jan 21, 2014 10:21 PM
#74
I like the atmosphere. Nice backstory |
Jan 21, 2014 11:09 PM
#75
AlexTheRiot said: ibrahim2712 said: straggy said: This anime is one of the worst this season to be quite honest, but the flashback of the revolution was interesting enough for me to keep it up for another week. Still keeping it as a 4/10 overall, though. Coming from a guy who rated FMAB a 4, Gintama a 5 and HoTD a 10 and Highschool DxD a 10. Yup, your opinion is definetely invalid. Not to mention giving Higurashi and The Rebellion Story a 1, and K Project a 10 O-Divine-Demon said: Coming from someone who rated Yuushibu a 9, your opinion isn't valid... Kyruga said: AND...from someone who can drop Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova...its really invalid your opinion... lol and on the showcase of people with too much time on their hands this week, are these four with nothing better to do than fail to realise that the world would be boring if everyone liked the same anime. And also that had enough time to trawl my list, but not enough time to see that it clearly says female on my page, ok. My ratings here are really simple. FMA's story didn't interest me and the hype gave me huge expectations anyway (and the only character I liked is one I already know dies), Gintama's actually something I'm considering taking up again despite the humour not being that great in the eps I watched (and the episode count being ridiculous), HOTD had a fun story and plenty of great fanservice whilst failing to take itself seriously, DxD is literally the best ecchi harem I've ever seen lol are you even serious, Higurashi and Rebellion story were both dull wastes of time with bullshit endings (I see you have a certain type when it comes to anime), K Project was a fun story with a cool twist, Yuushibu was hilarious, and Ars Nova was far too slow and dull for me - nothing really happened in it. I rate based on enjoyment alone. Evidently I'm not enjoying this anime as much as all of you. Wow, how outrageous. Not everyone thinks an anime is great, but since this is apparently the first time that's ever happened ever, they surely must be wrong. Grow up a little, please. |
Jan 21, 2014 11:12 PM
#76
So, definitely the worst out of the first three episodes in my book. This was very boring and poorly executed. I felt nothing during the flashback to Karl's "traumatic" past, and have to believe he is a fairly dimwitted child to put every single ounce of the blame on Nina. It was blatantly obvious that Nina was being used as a figurehead, and was only following orders and not leading the over-dramatic coup herself. Hello, she's a freaking child Karl's age. I may or may not give this another shot next week, I'll just have to see what I think when next week comes. But, this is my least favorite of the season so far and is most likely going to be dropped. So many are saying this is best episode so far, best of the season, etc... If that's the case, then the rest of the episodes for this particular anime can only go further downhill. Episode Rating: 1/10 |
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Jan 21, 2014 11:13 PM
#77
I'll probably keep this one. Disturbing past though. |
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Jan 21, 2014 11:17 PM
#78
straggy said: AlexTheRiot said: ibrahim2712 said: straggy said: This anime is one of the worst this season to be quite honest, but the flashback of the revolution was interesting enough for me to keep it up for another week. Still keeping it as a 4/10 overall, though. Coming from a guy who rated FMAB a 4, Gintama a 5 and HoTD a 10 and Highschool DxD a 10. Yup, your opinion is definetely invalid. Not to mention giving Higurashi and The Rebellion Story a 1, and K Project a 10 O-Divine-Demon said: Coming from someone who rated Yuushibu a 9, your opinion isn't valid... Kyruga said: AND...from someone who can drop Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova...its really invalid your opinion... lol and on the showcase of people with too much time on their hands this week, are these four with nothing better to do than fail to realise that the world would be boring if everyone liked the same anime. And also that had enough time to trawl my list, but not enough time to see that it clearly says female on my page, ok. My ratings here are really simple. FMA's story didn't interest me and the hype gave me huge expectations anyway (and the only character I liked is one I already know dies), Gintama's actually something I'm considering taking up again despite the humour not being that great in the eps I watched (and the episode count being ridiculous), HOTD had a fun story and plenty of great fanservice whilst failing to take itself seriously, DxD is literally the best ecchi harem I've ever seen lol are you even serious, Higurashi and Rebellion story were both dull wastes of time with bullshit endings (I see you have a certain type when it comes to anime), K Project was a fun story with a cool twist, Yuushibu was hilarious, and Ars Nova was far too slow and dull for me - nothing really happened in it. I rate based on enjoyment alone. Evidently I'm not enjoying this anime as much as all of you. Wow, how outrageous. Not everyone thinks an anime is great, but since this is apparently the first time that's ever happened ever, they surely must be wrong. Grow up a little, please. I'm probably gonna draw the same heat, I seem to be in agreeance with you on a few of those anime and this one. Oh well, if we all liked the same stuff there would be no need for so many genre's filled with so many anime. But, trying to tell this crowd that, I doubt they'll understand. Honestly, it's kind of bad when the biggest discussion I've seen about this anime is whether Claire and Nina are the same person even though plenty of spoilers have been given on that topic. If that's the biggest thing they have to discuss, the anime is clearly lacking in substance. |
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Jan 22, 2014 6:07 AM
#79
I'm still confused as to why Ignacio hates Karl quite as much as he seems to. |
Jan 22, 2014 6:48 AM
#80
Barion-Zara said: Shiniela said: @Barion-Zara.. you know he saw his dad get beheaded and his mother was taken away in a pig-wagon or smth. She's the reason his parents died. I doubt Nina is Claire. They're too different. Btw where did you get the idea from anyway? I mean they're totally different. I haven't read the original source but might be considered a spoiler... we've all been wondering how come Claire doesn't have an entry in the MAL and why she's written with Nina Viento since the first ep? I actually don't really want them to be the same but... And like I mentioned before...I know she's the cause but for now she was just a kid so it's not necessarily her fault unless some events prove that she's an evil hearted bitch from her childhood [which I doubt] For now I'll think she was controlled by adults...Well nxt ep pv seemed to have young Kal meeting loli Nina again so maybe that will make us know why for sure ^^ I see.. i hadn't noticed that. I just wonder what he did with her long hair and those cold eyes she had. Well.. we'll see. |
Jan 22, 2014 6:52 AM
#81
niaxato said: Shiniela said: I doubt Nina is Claire. They're too different. Btw where did you get the idea from anyway? I mean they're totally different. Claire keeps giving off some subtle body language(at least it seems to me) when they were talking about Karl and the wind revolution, plus when he was staring at Nina's painting. Also doubt it's really a spoiler but Claire and Nina have the same VA That's true but wouldn't she be scared to be near the person who hates him the most?? I mean when he looked at Nina Viento in the flashback with malice in his eyes she got startled. |
Jan 22, 2014 7:19 AM
#82
GaryFrost said: The direction for this show is starting to show its true colors, and it is not a colorful one. NINA VIENTO So Kal's backstory is finally given an introduction, but this was just poorly executed. Firstly, known character dynamics between Kal and his parents, especially between him and his mother is practically bare. Nor do we even know anything about his mom. Secondly, we don't even know the reason behind the rebellion regarding the shift from an empire to a republic, making all that shouting by the mobs uneventful. As a result of these reasons, Kal's ANGER and FRUSTRATION and all that crying is melodramatic. Oh yeah, and I liked the cinematography during the flashback (sarcasm); everything including the background and the buildings painted in grey, rain falling, and Kal sitting in the very center at one shot (technique used to make the viewer focus their attention at the drooping, sorrow Kal all the while rain is falling with a grey background. Uh-huh. In other words, this cinematography is suggesting that we should feel some kind of sympathy towards Kal, but I can't feel this way when a lot of the things are poorly executed. NINA VIENTO I liked the part when Kal's new father picked him up towards the sky, and at that exact moment, the clouds pull away, rain suddenly stops, and SUNSHINE baths Kal. It's unrealistic, and funny too. I got a chuckle from that scene. NINA VIENTO Some of the vocabulary thrown in sound pretentious too, like "light will turn into darkness", or when that one guy said "It's like the wind is singing a song of destruction" something like that. I might had welcomed such usage of vocabulary if we knew more about the characters and were shown at least some degree of worldbuilding as to the culture and/or politics. Without it, these words just come off pretentious, empty, lifeless, and even meaningless. (Especially that guy who said something about the 'song of destruction'. Ooh, you're so articulate and profound in selecting your words! NINA VIENTO What else? Why is Kal so focused on solely blaming NINA VIENTO for the deaths of his parents? What about the other important military/political leaders who were heavily involved in the mission to eradicate the empire? His anger is confusing. Was NINA VIENTO the sole cause of his parents' death? No, in fact she wasn't even the one who executed his father and mother. She just summoned a windstorm which helped the republic attain his parents. That all being said, I'm still enjoying it to an extent because I like the fantasy backdrop. I guess I can be kinda a sucker for that stuff. :) I think you're reading into things a bit too much. Rebellion and war from past history can always be traced down to one thing: self-greed. Yes, you can rally a country full of people who feel oppressed and all that, but the main deal will always be that in the end the person who instigated the entire movement will always be the one to profit the most from it; i.e. for selfish reasons. That "former Duke" or whatever probably got stripped of his power before the rebellion and was out for revenge. The way you whip a country full of people into a frenzy? If it's not through dissatisfaction with the way things are run, it will always be through religious means (think about it, how many wars in known history don't have religious connotations?). First way to go through it, set up a new religious movement (hence Nina Viento, the back-water nobody with super powers who becomes some high priestess), acquire enough followers through religious mind-control or paying off higher officials into promoting the new religion. Once the throne denounces the new movement, the dissatisfied and paid off parties rally and dispose of the non-believers, everyone including the ones in the background think they gain something (in truth, its the ones in the background that gain it all). In this, Nina Viento is the figurehead and the main reason for the rebellion, regardless of the people in the background who end up ruling the country. Think France, does anyone actually remember without wiki-ing the leaders of the first republican party after they guillotined their king? Karl as a 9 year old kid will only remember that his parents and he were forced to lick Nina Viento's boots, that his parents ended up headless and that they tried to make him ill enough to die on his own because of the person in front of him. Yes, he may have did some research on the rebellion as he grew up and all that, but as someone in his position, would his adoptive father have risked giving him so much information, much less risk letting him find out that information by himself? They were hiding the fact that he was the supposed "dead prince". Anything to do with the rebellion would probably have been kept at a minimum at the dinner table (or they'd risk him running out and getting himself slaughtered before he even grew up). What Karl himself would remember would be that he saw with his own eyes Nina summoning a storm to bring his ship down, he and his parents were forced to bow to her feet, and his parents both died on the blocks because of her actions. It's not like the "former duke" came out and started dancing on the king grave in front of Karl's face and sang "I killed your parents" (In any event, they all thought he'd already died). Regardless of how many evil perpetrators were behind the scenes, he will only remember the figurehead (kinda like Stalin and Hitler, no?). Hence all the anger built up will be aimed at that one person, the little girl who instigated rebellion. I ended up watching this episode 3 days late to decrease the wait time for episode 4. I still feel like the wait is too long........ dammit! |
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Jan 22, 2014 9:10 AM
#83
I hope he kills Nina, even though it probably won't happen >.<! Wonder why the citizens hated he's family so much.. Claire is such an angel ^-^ I don't see how Claire can be Nina O-o, if that were true it would be lame and make rage so hard. |
AozureJan 22, 2014 9:16 AM
Jan 22, 2014 10:45 AM
#84
Shiniela said: niaxato said: Shiniela said: I doubt Nina is Claire. They're too different. Btw where did you get the idea from anyway? I mean they're totally different. Claire keeps giving off some subtle body language(at least it seems to me) when they were talking about Karl and the wind revolution, plus when he was staring at Nina's painting. Also doubt it's really a spoiler but Claire and Nina have the same VA That's true but wouldn't she be scared to be near the person who hates him the most?? I mean when he looked at Nina Viento in the flashback with malice in his eyes she got startled. I suggest you to rematch the first time then he came close to her when her bicycling isin't working...her reaction....pure fear... |
Jan 22, 2014 11:15 AM
#85
Great episode, really starting to pick up the pace now. Karl's backstory is really interesting. Claire = Nina theories are kinda strange and Nina was in the first episode if I remember correctly so I'm not sure how it'd work. |
Jan 22, 2014 11:32 AM
#86
wow those planes are badly designed... and why gunner uses rifle instead of machine gun?!Someone should punch the guy designed those planes(in the anime's universe). Though im interested how the dogfights look like. 1 REAL barrel roll,not Starfox one,and gunner falls xD |
Jan 22, 2014 12:07 PM
#87
Kyruga said: Shiniela said: niaxato said: Shiniela said: I doubt Nina is Claire. They're too different. Btw where did you get the idea from anyway? I mean they're totally different. Claire keeps giving off some subtle body language(at least it seems to me) when they were talking about Karl and the wind revolution, plus when he was staring at Nina's painting. Also doubt it's really a spoiler but Claire and Nina have the same VA That's true but wouldn't she be scared to be near the person who hates him the most?? I mean when he looked at Nina Viento in the flashback with malice in his eyes she got startled. I suggest you to rematch the first time then he came close to her when her bicycling isin't working...her reaction....pure fear... Wasn't she just shy?? |
Jan 22, 2014 12:08 PM
#88
aidoru said: Great episode, really starting to pick up the pace now. Karl's backstory is really interesting. Claire = Nina theories are kinda strange and Nina was in the first episode if I remember correctly so I'm not sure how it'd work. Mhmh although if she is her then she doesn't have an alibi. I mean she was ''sick'' on the first day so Ignacio had to fly alone. In that way she might be her but i still doubt it |
Jan 22, 2014 12:10 PM
#89
DannyREN said: I hope he kills Nina, even though it probably won't happen >.<! Wonder why the citizens hated he's family so much.. Claire is such an angel ^-^ I don't see how Claire can be Nina O-o, if that were true it would be lame and make rage so hard. Haha true. I also hope to see a sweet revenge story. If Claire was Nina then Kal probably won't kill her since she's a ''friend'' now or something like that. Which would be disappointing |
Jan 22, 2014 2:58 PM
#90
This anime is definitely picking up imo and I can't wait for next week's ep |
Jan 22, 2014 5:20 PM
#91
Shiniela said: Kyruga said: Shiniela said: niaxato said: Shiniela said: I doubt Nina is Claire. They're too different. Btw where did you get the idea from anyway? I mean they're totally different. Claire keeps giving off some subtle body language(at least it seems to me) when they were talking about Karl and the wind revolution, plus when he was staring at Nina's painting. Also doubt it's really a spoiler but Claire and Nina have the same VA That's true but wouldn't she be scared to be near the person who hates him the most?? I mean when he looked at Nina Viento in the flashback with malice in his eyes she got startled. I suggest you to rematch the first time then he came close to her when her bicycling isin't working...her reaction....pure fear... Wasn't she just shy?? U really can see that fear face that she makes as just shy? |
Jan 22, 2014 9:40 PM
#92
I love those "royalty kid wants revenge" stories I hope the ending doesn't suck |
Jan 23, 2014 9:26 AM
#93
Stuck in a plane on the water, with no sense of direction and a storm coming. Things could be bad. And those events in the past. Never is such a strong word... |
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Jan 23, 2014 10:10 AM
#94
Jan 23, 2014 10:21 AM
#95
Kyruga said: Shiniela said: Kyruga said: Shiniela said: niaxato said: Shiniela said: I doubt Nina is Claire. They're too different. Btw where did you get the idea from anyway? I mean they're totally different. Claire keeps giving off some subtle body language(at least it seems to me) when they were talking about Karl and the wind revolution, plus when he was staring at Nina's painting. Also doubt it's really a spoiler but Claire and Nina have the same VA That's true but wouldn't she be scared to be near the person who hates him the most?? I mean when he looked at Nina Viento in the flashback with malice in his eyes she got startled. I suggest you to rematch the first time then he came close to her when her bicycling isin't working...her reaction....pure fear... Wasn't she just shy?? U really can see that fear face that she makes as just shy? Mmmm... indeed... i watched that scene twice over again and there really was fear. |
Jan 23, 2014 1:08 PM
#96
Jan 23, 2014 11:45 PM
#97
Jan 24, 2014 2:25 AM
#98
Nina and Claire. Oh boy, I don't like where this is heading. >_< L-Ryoshi said: GaryFrost said: The direction for this show is starting to show its true colors, and it is not a colorful one. NINA VIENTO So Kal's backstory is finally given an introduction, but this was just poorly executed. Firstly, known character dynamics between Kal and his parents, especially between him and his mother is practically bare. Nor do we even know anything about his mom. Secondly, we don't even know the reason behind the rebellion regarding the shift from an empire to a republic, making all that shouting by the mobs uneventful. As a result of these reasons, Kal's ANGER and FRUSTRATION and all that crying is melodramatic. Oh yeah, and I liked the cinematography during the flashback (sarcasm); everything including the background and the buildings painted in grey, rain falling, and Kal sitting in the very center at one shot (technique used to make the viewer focus their attention at the drooping, sorrow Kal all the while rain is falling with a grey background. Uh-huh. In other words, this cinematography is suggesting that we should feel some kind of sympathy towards Kal, but I can't feel this way when a lot of the things are poorly executed. NINA VIENTO I liked the part when Kal's new father picked him up towards the sky, and at that exact moment, the clouds pull away, rain suddenly stops, and SUNSHINE baths Kal. It's unrealistic, and funny too. I got a chuckle from that scene. NINA VIENTO Some of the vocabulary thrown in sound pretentious too, like "light will turn into darkness", or when that one guy said "It's like the wind is singing a song of destruction" something like that. I might had welcomed such usage of vocabulary if we knew more about the characters and were shown at least some degree of worldbuilding as to the culture and/or politics. Without it, these words just come off pretentious, empty, lifeless, and even meaningless. (Especially that guy who said something about the 'song of destruction'. Ooh, you're so articulate and profound in selecting your words! NINA VIENTO What else? Why is Kal so focused on solely blaming NINA VIENTO for the deaths of his parents? What about the other important military/political leaders who were heavily involved in the mission to eradicate the empire? His anger is confusing. Was NINA VIENTO the sole cause of his parents' death? No, in fact she wasn't even the one who executed his father and mother. She just summoned a windstorm which helped the republic attain his parents. That all being said, I'm still enjoying it to an extent because I like the fantasy backdrop. I guess I can be kinda a sucker for that stuff. :) I think you're reading into things a bit too much. Rebellion and war from past history can always be traced down to one thing: self-greed. Yes, you can rally a country full of people who feel oppressed and all that, but the main deal will always be that in the end the person who instigated the entire movement will always be the one to profit the most from it; i.e. for selfish reasons. That "former Duke" or whatever probably got stripped of his power before the rebellion and was out for revenge. The way you whip a country full of people into a frenzy? If it's not through dissatisfaction with the way things are run, it will always be through religious means (think about it, how many wars in known history don't have religious connotations?). First way to go through it, set up a new religious movement (hence Nina Viento, the back-water nobody with super powers who becomes some high priestess), acquire enough followers through religious mind-control or paying off higher officials into promoting the new religion. Once the throne denounces the new movement, the dissatisfied and paid off parties rally and dispose of the non-believers, everyone including the ones in the background think they gain something (in truth, its the ones in the background that gain it all). In this, Nina Viento is the figurehead and the main reason for the rebellion, regardless of the people in the background who end up ruling the country. Think France, does anyone actually remember without wiki-ing the leaders of the first republican party after they guillotined their king? Karl as a 9 year old kid will only remember that his parents and he were forced to lick Nina Viento's boots, that his parents ended up headless and that they tried to make him ill enough to die on his own because of the person in front of him. Yes, he may have did some research on the rebellion as he grew up and all that, but as someone in his position, would his adoptive father have risked giving him so much information, much less risk letting him find out that information by himself? They were hiding the fact that he was the supposed "dead prince". Anything to do with the rebellion would probably have been kept at a minimum at the dinner table (or they'd risk him running out and getting himself slaughtered before he even grew up). What Karl himself would remember would be that he saw with his own eyes Nina summoning a storm to bring his ship down, he and his parents were forced to bow to her feet, and his parents both died on the blocks because of her actions. It's not like the "former duke" came out and started dancing on the king grave in front of Karl's face and sang "I killed your parents" (In any event, they all thought he'd already died). Regardless of how many evil perpetrators were behind the scenes, he will only remember the figurehead (kinda like Stalin and Hitler, no?). Hence all the anger built up will be aimed at that one person, the little girl who instigated rebellion. I ended up watching this episode 3 days late to decrease the wait time for episode 4. I still feel like the wait is too long........ dammit! Well said bro. |
julyanJan 24, 2014 2:33 AM
Jan 24, 2014 4:45 AM
#99
Really great episode. I hope the next episode focuses on Ignacio. |
Jan 24, 2014 8:37 AM
#100
@L-Ryoshi Thanks for the apt analysis Ryoshi, really needed that one to quell my rage. So far this series is pushing all the wrong buttons in me. The scenes are unfolding too fast without proper leading or sufficient prior-event details that I end up saying "Huh?" most of the time. They should have spent more efforts in world-building and the background history before jumping into Karl past rather than waste so much airtime on lovey-dovey Karl-Claire scene or those silly little bro-sis arguments. When put into perspectives a new religion seems to be the major force behind the rebellion, one that the royal family opposed and ultimately was executed for. However that does not explain how the rebels have such apparent widespread populace support because historically new religions tend to be the one viewed with suspicion by general populace, even with the power to summon tornadoes. Just how did the new religion managed to replace the old one? Was the royal family being tyrannical or what? How about these nobilities then, how did they manage to survive the revolution? And if the constitution has changed from monarchy to republic, how come there is still a class of nobles lording over commoners, which is the anti-thesis of democracy? How is life for the commoners since the revolt, is it better than before, or just the same old days of grovelling to nobilities (which I suspect it is)? Anyway this episode tries too hard to make you feel sorry for Karl and I felt... absolutely nothing. How am I supposed to sympathise with him? I barely know what the hell was going on. If anything, his anger towards Nina Viento when forced to bow to her seems to stem from his pride as royalty at first rather than death of his parents, which came later. And I might get flamed for this, but Karl is such a pathetic character that I'm surprised no one has yet to express disgust towards him. I mean it, this guy is seriously trying my patience. When I learnt about his background, I thought he would be a Lelouch-like character, hiding in plain sight pretending to be a good Republican boy while secretly plotting for their downfall, waiting for a chance to push a knife in their back. And I actually got excited. But nooo, all we get so far is an plain average protag with no redeeming qualities except for his looks and the fact that he's got a chip on his shoulder. He's a pushover, he's a crap pilot (what kind of pilot loses his cool and screams like a sissy anyway?), he's a crap shot, and has no charisma to speak of. It makes me wonder if he actually puts in any effort at all in his desire for revenge rather than brooding about it and no talk no action whatsoever. The only reason I'm still following this series is because I can't wait to see his face when he finds out about Claire's true identity (there is enough hint for me to guess by now). |
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