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Oct 31, 2013 10:10 PM
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I'm going to make a guess and say Haruto etc are the type of vampire that use runes from other people to power up the valvraves and possibly, as a fail safe, the valvraves shutdown so the pilot isn't allowed to kill himself piloting it (like Marie just did), rather they just need to feed first (hence the urges).
Oct 31, 2013 10:43 PM
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Is Marie dead? NOOOOOOO.....she is dead if she turns to vegetable.

RIP Marie. Such a tragedy to lose all memory.
vegetable brain can't make new memory. No memory=dead.
Nov 1, 2013 12:18 AM

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In 10 minutes Marie became a more badass pilot then all of Haruto in season 1! I really feel for Marie and L-elf. Poor Shoko, she just keeps losing more people close to her, I wonder how she is going to take this news.
Nov 1, 2013 1:19 AM
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Kurogashi said:
at the end.. im just all like:
"sure... whatever you say valvrave producer. why not"
LOL.
Isn't that the general reaction for every episode? I swear it seems like they just make up most of this shit on the fly.
Nov 1, 2013 6:11 AM

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I've been feeling that this anime is good since the first episode but I don't get why people feel that it's so bad though. I'd heard a lot about being ridiculous plot twist etc. etc. but I find it alright though haha.

Anyway, this episode was great
Nov 1, 2013 6:18 AM

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we get a great character, just for her to be killed off next episode? come on man, why even show us the background at all? kinda of a waste there.
HydnlifeNov 1, 2013 6:58 AM
Nov 1, 2013 8:44 AM

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Marie!
Hope she will only lose unconscious or went into a coma,
but there is still a chance for her!
She is sich badass!

She can't die!
Nov 1, 2013 9:45 AM

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Dat "Soba ni Iru yo" was perfect!

Marie :'(

Pretty sure losing memories is only Marie's side effect (probably because she was the test pilot and they messed her up somehow). I mean Haruto has been piloting that thing for a while and nothing like this happened to him yet... or has it?
*dun-dun-duuuuun*
Nov 1, 2013 9:54 AM

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WHAT?! A episode I can take seriously??!
Aw...Marie was about the only character out of the students I liked :/
Nov 1, 2013 10:35 AM

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Newfound respect for Marie. Rest well, Marie.
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I've always... always been watching you... This whole time... Because you were there... That's why I was able to try hard. So you could have some balance! So you wouldn't treat me like a kid! So you would see me as an actual girl! Even while you were gone... You were right here! You were right here in my heart!
Nov 1, 2013 10:48 AM

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Very very very good episode. Easily one of the best (if not the best) episode in Valvrave no matter where you look: story, directing, sakuga/animation, character portrayal, music, plot development. And the whole "Soba ni Iru yo" was played to fill the 5 minutes of epic wonder and tragic sorrow - Tears literally filled my eyes by the end of the song. Marie went out with the brightest flare of glory and she will be definitely missed.

Hydnlife said:
we get a great character, just for her to be killed off next episode? come on man, why even show us the background at all? kinda of a waste there.
Except that this great character did not become great only in the previous episode. She has been around since day 1 and if we look back the hints have been planted here and there. She did mention she could not remember the past, and because she was turned into Magius at 11, her body was stuck at that age which is why she looks smaller than all her classmates, for example.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Nov 1, 2013 1:09 PM

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Great episode , cliche now and there but that's how the series is.

Loved it.
Nov 1, 2013 1:11 PM

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Best moment of this entire season thus far. I'm speechless.
Nov 1, 2013 2:20 PM

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ThangLong said:
Why did you do it Sunrise? Why let Marie live so that she can suffer worse as a possible vegetable? Why let almost all people who are close and dear to Shouko suffer directly/indirectly by the hands of Haruto, her love interest?....


THis is written by the same person who wrote Code Geass.

And SHouko is pretty much Suzaku and Euphemia all in one in terms of her ideals.

Okouchi HATES idealists with fiery passion. He either kills them, destroys them or turns them into monsters who abandon their ideals (Shoe)
Nov 1, 2013 2:57 PM

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Really good episode
Marie. . .

Nov 1, 2013 2:57 PM

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RIP Marie T_________T
Nov 1, 2013 4:34 PM

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Goodbye Marie. I believe Marie is now dead or in a irreversible coma, but most likely she is dead.

Great episode!!!
Nov 1, 2013 7:35 PM

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Great episode, I was guilty of giving Marie some undeserved shit last episode, but she turned it around. Oh man, an epic death....or a coma or something...don't think she has been confirmed dead?

5/5
Nov 1, 2013 8:47 PM

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crosby_87 said:
Great episode, I was guilty of giving Marie some undeserved shit last episode, but she turned it around. Oh man, an epic death....or a coma or something...don't think she has been confirmed dead?

5/5


She's another Kamille Bidan case. This is just Sunrise turning more people into vegetables like they have done in the past.
Nov 2, 2013 8:21 AM

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Man, the enemy mechs sure can keep up with the valvrave. Good to see L-elf in killing mode once again :)

Marie is the ultimate pilot on the good side :D It's sad that Marie used a different way to replenish the valvrave's runes compared to Haruto T.T
Nov 2, 2013 9:09 AM

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Marie? WHAT?! NOOO!!! WHYYY?! Just when she was starting to learn more about herself. That was some straight bad ass piloting! She went out in a blaze of glory!! But...is she dead...catatonic...vegetative?

I liked the 1st season, but I am getting into this season even more.
Nov 2, 2013 11:20 AM

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Not trying to damper anyone's mood, but the question is :
Was Marie a unique case, or can many people be turned into Valvrave pilots, at the cost of their memory? Or was she just a Kamitsuki, who wouldn't/couldn't/didn't know about consuming blood for runes?
'Everything is impossible until proven possible.' - Me

Nov 2, 2013 11:30 AM

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Robbini said:
Not trying to damper anyone's mood, but the question is :
Was Marie a unique case, or can many people be turned into Valvrave pilots, at the cost of their memory? Or was she just a Kamitsuki, who wouldn't/couldn't/didn't know about consuming blood for runes?


I think Pino said something like "your limiter is off. That's why they stopped using you as a test pilot" as though this problem was unique to Marie. Like the other Valvrave pilots emit less runes for the VVV to consume, but since Marie can't control her flow then she a) loses her memories and b) is much more powerful in the Valvrave than the others. More Runes = More power = Losing memories.
Nov 2, 2013 12:48 PM
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And here shit hits the fans :/
bla bla bla
The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
Niko-kun said:
On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
Nov 2, 2013 6:40 PM

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Guess I was right, Marie was a test pilot... and wow she can unleash VVV's full potential.

... but... but...
Nov 3, 2013 12:10 AM

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Don't worry guys, Marie will come back!
TyrelNov 3, 2013 12:18 AM
Nov 3, 2013 12:14 AM

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Tyrel said:
Don't worry guys, Narie will come back!
Who's Narie?
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Nov 3, 2013 12:14 AM

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Made me cringe as Marie fought as she lost her memories one by one
Nov 3, 2013 12:19 AM

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NeoAnkara said:
Tyrel said:
Don't worry guys, Narie will come back!
Who's Narie?


Durrr, typo. And that should be pretty dam obvious it was one.
Nov 3, 2013 12:35 AM

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What a badass character

aaaaaaaand she's gone.

Look like there is a way to killed off space vampire.

Since Haruto feed on L-Elf for runes to operate Valvraves, L-Elf might lose his memory in the future, without him, all is lost for Haruto and co even if they have powerful mecha.
Nov 3, 2013 5:21 AM
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I didn't really expect that This episode title marks the death of Marie Nobie!! REALLY?!

- I mean is Marie really dead?!

- What's gonna happen to Haruto next?!

- IF Haruto's memory will be wipe out just like her, will he be shared the same fate just like her?!

I'm so speechless of what just happened. Literally. You here with me guys?! Hello?

EP16 Marie Released = The Death of Marie Nobi
JafriZinNov 3, 2013 5:35 AM
Nov 3, 2013 8:56 AM

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Wooooow probably the best episode so far. I'm quite speechless. I liked Marie before but I've got new-found respect for her. Her piloting skills made Haruto's look like a 5 year old piloting the Valvrave. So proud of you Marie. You don't deserve what happened to you and I hope you can be saved. D:

I still can't stand and will always hate Haruto and L-Elf. Those two are perfect for each other, L-Elf is an ass and Haruto is the most pathetic and annoying character.

They also completely forgot about Saki or what? And she should be grateful to A-Drei for saving her.
Nov 3, 2013 11:36 AM

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WoW !! One of the best episodes I've seen so far

What is name of the song at 16:44 ?
Nov 3, 2013 12:03 PM

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thepath said:
WoW !! One of the best episodes I've seen so far

What is name of the song at 16:44 ?
Soba ni Iru yo by ELISA
Nov 3, 2013 2:14 PM

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VanishingKira said:
thepath said:
WoW !! One of the best episodes I've seen so far

What is name of the song at 16:44 ?
Soba ni Iru yo by ELISA


Thanks
Nov 3, 2013 5:39 PM

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this episode was sad >:
Nov 3, 2013 7:27 PM

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I must admit that directing and animations were well done this episode. A little predictable though, Sunrise is always the same.
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Nov 3, 2013 7:37 PM

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the story writers of valvraves likes to kill cute lolis first season they killed that glasses loli girl and now this second season they killed marie
Nov 4, 2013 4:47 AM

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arr marie better not be dead >.>
so all other pilot will face the same fate as marie?...interesting..
Nov 4, 2013 5:02 AM

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thepath said:
VanishingKira said:
thepath said:
WoW !! One of the best episodes I've seen so far
What is name of the song at 16:44 ?
Soba ni Iru yo by ELISA

Thanks
Also the second ED used in the first season. Now reading its lyrics I cannot help thinking it was written with Marie in mind (at least part of it).
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Nov 5, 2013 7:53 PM

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Am I the only person who found this episode unnecessary?

Sure, on one hand it was a lot of fun to see Marie go out their and kick ass... but what did it really add to the story? And why bother just bringing up an issue to harp on if you are going to solve it in one episode?

It just feels like if they really wanted to have this storyline in, it should have been woven into the rest of the plot a little more naturally so it wouldn't feel like a side story.

Also, having EVERY character being connected to the Valvrave system in some way or another EXCEPT Shoko, and rubbing our faces in that fact all the time is a bit annoying. Taking Marie out of the relatively normal person category and putting her into the "special powers" one kind of detracted from the balance of the characters for me. :-/
Nov 5, 2013 8:39 PM
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Is Marie really dead?! NOBODY replies to me about this?! I feel like i'm losing my patience right now till we'll see what happens next episode.
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Nov 6, 2013 2:22 PM

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Damn. Marie is good :D
Too bad she's gone :/
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Nov 6, 2013 2:24 PM

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Blue_Buster_Jeff said:
Is Marie really dead?! NOBODY replies to me about this?! I feel like i'm losing my patience right now till we'll see what happens next episode.


We don't know if she's dead yet. I assume she is since Pino said goodbye but we didn't actually see her die.
Nov 7, 2013 8:18 AM

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killbethy said:
Am I the only person who found this episode unnecessary?

Sure, on one hand it was a lot of fun to see Marie go out their and kick ass... but what did it really add to the story? And why bother just bringing up an issue to harp on if you are going to solve it in one episode?

It just feels like if they really wanted to have this storyline in, it should have been woven into the rest of the plot a little more naturally so it wouldn't feel like a side story.

Also, having EVERY character being connected to the Valvrave system in some way or another EXCEPT Shoko, and rubbing our faces in that fact all the time is a bit annoying. Taking Marie out of the relatively normal person category and putting her into the "special powers" one kind of detracted from the balance of the characters for me. :-/


Really? I see it more as a big discovery on how the valvrave REALLY works. Although I'm also shocked by the sudden focus on Marie, I think this was done well.

I see your point though.
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Nov 7, 2013 10:49 AM

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L-elf needs to die.
Nov 9, 2013 12:29 AM

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Damn Marie is ten times the pilot the rest of them are....but she'd dead now right? Too cruel a price to pay.
Nov 9, 2013 12:30 AM

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"For One Episode Only"

A rather creative way to "kill" off a character. An immortal one, to boot. All while having her destroy entire armies singlehandedly. This show is good at destroying its characters, I'll give it that. So they ended up killing Marie off anyway... at least Aina died quickly, and now Marie's body will probably continue to "live" on forever without a mind or a consciousness. Well, she can still be technically immortal that way. And that is why wishing for plain immortality is also not a good idea...

It would have been awesome to have her as a backup/secret pilot of sorts when things become extremely hairy for the team seeing how Marie stole the spotlight on her own (though powered by self-destructive energy), but I guess Sunrise never puts its main pilots out of work for extended periods of time or lets someone else steal their spotlight for long. It's a shame seeing how she was able to use VVVI to its full potential. Kinda reminds me of Gundam X a bit with how the original pilot gets to show off the full ability of the titular mecha for a single episode in contrast to the current pilot who can only do so much with it.

I now have more questions why none of the other Valvrave pilots or their "victims" ever lose any memories. Granted, Marie's rate of memory loss was too much but it only seemed like Haruto was ever truly affected by the more severe symptoms of their "blessing". The others don't go on any rune feeding frenzies like him either.
Nov 9, 2013 4:02 PM

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Nice episode i guess.
Nov 12, 2013 12:32 AM

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SayakaMagica said:

I now have more questions why none of the other Valvrave pilots or their "victims" ever lose any memories. Granted, Marie's rate of memory loss was too much but it only seemed like Haruto was ever truly affected by the more severe symptoms of their "blessing". The others don't go on any rune feeding frenzies like him either.


There is only "ONE" engine for the valvraves(well cain holds the other engine though I am unsure why 02 can't just receive rune from 01 like the other 4 units). Which is why haruto is the only one that needed to feed, because all the valvraves rune comes from haruto via pino. Or marie via pino during this episode fight.

Recall how ALL unit power down and not just 01 when runes are depleted.
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