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Feb 2, 2009 7:58 PM
#51
Nayah said: 5layer said: the_prime_one said: Drengot said: I think this will stay top #1 for a while. Asako said: I can see it dropping, though. The first half will confuse a lot of people who may even drop it and rate it 1 or something. Nah, people aren't that dumb. lol This is MAL, these aren't your ordinary people. Huh? You implying that people on MAL are dumber than ordinary people? lol Only more spiteful. I can already see it now...the clone accounts. EDIT : TPO, this is it. This is the last time you are gonna one-up me. I shall now go to plot your banning. Yeah, I know. Lots of clone accounts out there. This is the interwebz, what do you expect? lol |
Feb 2, 2009 8:00 PM
#52
the_prime_one said: 5layer said: the_prime_one said: Drengot said: I think this will stay top #1 for a while. Asako said: I can see it dropping, though. The first half will confuse a lot of people who may even drop it and rate it 1 or something. Nah, people aren't that dumb. lol This is MAL, these aren't your ordinary people. Huh? You implying that people on MAL are dumber than ordinary people? lol Some of the users that I have seen would be considered dumber than a cockroach. And that's different from RL how |
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Feb 2, 2009 8:00 PM
#53
Neverender said: the_prime_one said: 5layer said: the_prime_one said: Drengot said: I think this will stay top #1 for a while. Asako said: I can see it dropping, though. The first half will confuse a lot of people who may even drop it and rate it 1 or something. Nah, people aren't that dumb. lol This is MAL, these aren't your ordinary people. Huh? You implying that people on MAL are dumber than ordinary people? lol Some of the users that I have seen would be considered dumber than a cockroach. And that's different from RL how Oh shit, I got served |
Feb 2, 2009 8:03 PM
#54
the_prime_one said: Neverender said: the_prime_one said: 5layer said: the_prime_one said: Drengot said: I think this will stay top #1 for a while. Asako said: I can see it dropping, though. The first half will confuse a lot of people who may even drop it and rate it 1 or something. Nah, people aren't that dumb. lol This is MAL, these aren't your ordinary people. Huh? You implying that people on MAL are dumber than ordinary people? lol Some of the users that I have seen would be considered dumber than a cockroach. And that's different from RL how Oh shit, I got served Wow, its a quote pyramid! |
Feb 2, 2009 8:03 PM
#55
5layer said: the_prime_one said: Neverender said: the_prime_one said: 5layer said: the_prime_one said: Drengot said: I think this will stay top #1 for a while. Asako said: I can see it dropping, though. The first half will confuse a lot of people who may even drop it and rate it 1 or something. Nah, people aren't that dumb. lol This is MAL, these aren't your ordinary people. Huh? You implying that people on MAL are dumber than ordinary people? lol Some of the users that I have seen would be considered dumber than a cockroach. And that's different from RL how Oh shit, I got served Wow, its a quote pyramid! Yeah babes.. I luv this thread. |
Feb 2, 2009 8:05 PM
#56
Drengot said: 5layer said: the_prime_one said: Neverender said: the_prime_one said: 5layer said: the_prime_one said: Drengot said: I think this will stay top #1 for a while. Asako said: I can see it dropping, though. The first half will confuse a lot of people who may even drop it and rate it 1 or something. Nah, people aren't that dumb. lol This is MAL, these aren't your ordinary people. Huh? You implying that people on MAL are dumber than ordinary people? lol Some of the users that I have seen would be considered dumber than a cockroach. And that's different from RL how Oh shit, I got served Wow, its a quote pyramid! Yeah babes.. I luv this thread. This proves the intelligence of the people in MAL |
Feb 2, 2009 8:17 PM
#57
Wishy said: You have not seen Azumanga Daioh and you gave a 7 to Lucky Star which is not that far off, after checking your list two of the things that I gave 10s you did too. Keep saying that what you believe is a masterpiece should be what everyone thinks is a masterpiece, but to be honest you're just upset that one of your favorite series has been de-throned off the top spot. PeanutSteak said: I'd go as far as to say that this deserves the top score. I've only given out six 10s, this is one of them. So what? You gave a 9 to Azumanga Daioh and an 8 to Lucky Star, keep saying that you gave few 10, but to be honest you haven't watched many things that really deserve a 10. |
Feb 2, 2009 8:20 PM
#58
PeanutSteak said: Wishy said: You have not seen Azumanga Daioh and you gave a 7 to Lucky Star which is not that far off, after checking your list two of the things that I gave 10s you did too. Keep saying that what you believe is a masterpiece should be what everyone thinks is a masterpiece, but to be honest you're just upset that one of your favorite series has been de-throned off the top spot. PeanutSteak said: I'd go as far as to say that this deserves the top score. I've only given out six 10s, this is one of them. So what? You gave a 9 to Azumanga Daioh and an 8 to Lucky Star, keep saying that you gave few 10, but to be honest you haven't watched many things that really deserve a 10. qft. Sorry, but majority always wins - though I'm not very sure with that. MAL's system isn't perfect. |
Feb 2, 2009 8:29 PM
#59
5layer said: Well technically, Wishy IS actually right. Thats how scoring always worked and will always work. The fact that it works this way doesn't mean that KnK 5 is overrated or anything though. This is what I've been trying to say for hours, but this guys don't seem to get it. PeanutSteak said: Wishy said: PeanutSteak said: I'd go as far as to say that this deserves the top score. I've only given out six 10s, this is one of them. So what? You gave a 9 to Azumanga Daioh and an 8 to Lucky Star, keep saying that you gave few 10, but to be honest you haven't watched many things that really deserve a 10. You have not seen Azumanga Daioh and you gave a 7 to Lucky Star which is not that far off, after checking your list two of the things that I gave 10s you did too. Keep saying that what you believe is a masterpiece should be what everyone thinks is a masterpiece, but to be honest you're just upset that one of your favorite series has been de-throned off the top spot. I started Azumanga and watched 6 episodes, then dropped it because it was boring. About TTGL, it is far away from being my top #1 series, and I don't give a shit about it's rank, I don't care if it is top 1 or top 4. I gave a 7 to Lucky Star? It seems I missed the 5. By the way Posse, I'm saying thank you 14 times to you for your support. |
Feb 2, 2009 9:25 PM
#60
Feb 2, 2009 9:31 PM
#62
Feb 2, 2009 9:45 PM
#63
ITT: An elitist who can't appreciate other peoples' tastes. Seriously, whether the rank is high or not doesn't really matter. Just shut the fuck up and watch the damn movies before judging. |
Feb 2, 2009 9:46 PM
#64
Wishy said: So what? You gave a 9 to Azumanga Daioh and an 8 to Lucky Star, keep saying that you gave few 10, but to be honest you haven't watched many things that really deserve a 10. Yeah. Let's bring up unrelated ratings in a childish attempt at character assassination. That aside for the moment. I have not ever touched this franchise, nor have I any intention to do so, but I do have a thing or two to say about the sequel issue. Simply put, sequels enjoy a fairly large advantage in terms of ratings, typically because the societal tradition is to start watching from part 1. Scores for the KnK franchise have trended upward since movie 1 (with the 1 exception of movie 4). Of course something's going to get higher scores when 95% of the viewers have already been sold before sitting down to watch. And typically, people can make judgements on whether they like a movie series by the trilogical number or before. this is not to say that this doesn't deserve the #1 spot, just that people who start touting it should be aware that the "sequel drop" effect helped it, just as it did R2, Aria, and Rebuild of Evangelion. |
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Feb 2, 2009 9:50 PM
#65
Somnia said: Screenshotted. Same. I will treasure this ss (and moment) forever. Seeing something else other than TTGL ranked as #1 is the biggest shock from my 1.5 years here on MAL. D: In any case, KnK 5 will stay up there on top for a bit, then once people start wondering about why this movie that they've never heard of before is ranked #1 on MAL and watch it, it'll go down. Quite a bit. I foresee the creation of a shitload of clone accounts bring down the score. And the MAL ranking system is far from perfect. Any bets on how long it'll be up there at first? |
Feb 2, 2009 9:54 PM
#66
Torisunanohokori said: Wishy said: So what? You gave a 9 to Azumanga Daioh and an 8 to Lucky Star, keep saying that you gave few 10, but to be honest you haven't watched many things that really deserve a 10. Yeah. Let's bring up unrelated ratings in a childish attempt at character assassination. CODE GEASS IS A MASTERPIECE |
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Feb 2, 2009 9:57 PM
#67
WinterNightsFall said: Somnia said: Screenshotted. Same. I will treasure this ss (and moment) forever. Seeing something else other than TTGL ranked as #1 is the biggest shock from my 1.5 years here on MAL. D: In any case, KnK 5 will stay up there on top for a bit, then once people start wondering about why this movie that they've never heard of before is ranked #1 on MAL and watch it, it'll go down. Quite a bit. I foresee the creation of a shitload of clone accounts bring down the score. And the MAL ranking system is far from perfect. Any bets on how long it'll be up there at first? I'll give it a couple of weeks tops, knowing MAL. Unless someone takes the time to watch and weed out the clone accounts like that one person did with the Berserk manga. Just as with the case of Aria the Origination, there's going to be a shitload of idiots who will watch it without touching the previous installments, simply due to its high rating. However this movie can be pretty entertaining standalone (unlike Aria which relies on a strong connection with its characters by the third season) assuming one can get past the confusing first half. |
Feb 2, 2009 10:02 PM
#68
Feb 2, 2009 10:08 PM
#69
Neverender said: Torisunanohokori said: Wishy said: So what? You gave a 9 to Azumanga Daioh and an 8 to Lucky Star, keep saying that you gave few 10, but to be honest you haven't watched many things that really deserve a 10. Yeah. Let's bring up unrelated ratings in a childish attempt at character assassination. CODE GEASS IS A MASTERPIECE AGREED!!! |
Feb 2, 2009 10:09 PM
#70
@Torisunanohokori yes i know that, but this whole conversation came up cuz of this post by wishy and my reply. i was only arguing cuz of his assumption that "it wouldnt even be in the top 10 of MAL if it wasnt for the sequels" when he hasnt even watched any of them. that was my whole problem with his point of view. i never had a problem with the "sequel effect" but with him saying "but if it didn't have the 4 prequels holding the low scores, this won't even be in the top 10". Ketuekigami said: Wishy said: Lol, this is the same as Aria, I don't know if this is really good. But, as there are lots of prequels, the low scores are received by the first movies, while the last ones only get the high scores. It's been a few days since this aired, only the crazy fans have watched it. This is #1, ok, but if it didn't have the 4 prequels holding the low scores, this won't even be in the top 10. That's all. but they didnt get "low scores". the scores for the previous movies would be considered high on MAL. and of course only the biggest fans would see it the day it was subbed first, i think thats pretty obvious. and how would u know it wouldnt be top 10? its actually really good and deserved at least in the top 10 so please dont make assumptions without even seeing any of the movies. |
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Feb 2, 2009 10:23 PM
#71
^Yeah, but the same is true of a lot of other shows. KnK distills this to its essence (7 installments). But Major also has 5 seasons (all of which make the top 200), so installments obviously aren't the only factor. You can't get on the top without something going for you. And speaking of the top 200, I checked this out while I was waiting. 4/10 5/20 10/30 17/40 20/50 22/60 27/70 30/80 34/90 38/100 41/110 43/120 48/130 54/140 59/150 63/160 66/170 66/180 69/190 76/200 80/210 The number of sequels per overall places in the anime toplist (the average stays at a little over 1/3 except for the top 20 datapoint). That number has gone up since the last time I checked, though I'm not sure I still have the stats. Wishy had a legitimate point, it was just getting lost in the sniping - sequels get too much love and too little real criticism. The number of sequels creeping up on the toplist seriously worries me (mainly because of diversity issues). I do think something needs to be done to reign in sequel ratings in general. I don't know what I'd suggest yet. |
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Feb 2, 2009 10:26 PM
#72
Feb 2, 2009 10:34 PM
#73
@Torisunanohokori all true and i completely understand. its just that his first post sounded like just a pure attack on KnK with no basis behind it but the argument got a little more reasonable later. that is interesting and the solution i would hope for is that all sequels would just be added to the main anime. for example instead of CG and CG R2 it would just be CG as a MAL page. i mean that only makes seance, at least in my eyes. AND, for reference sake. KnK is not supposed to be 7 different movies, its a series that consists of 7 ova's. it is the correct method and is done that way on all other anime sites, its just that MAL messed that up. |
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Feb 2, 2009 10:39 PM
#74
Feb 2, 2009 10:43 PM
#75
naikou said: I just finished the 3rd movie. If it doesn't get significantly better over the next two movies, I'm going to be upset. im really glad to see you giving it another shot but with the way you seem to feel about it you might not have to good of an opinion of #4, though i could be wrong. but if anything would be able to change your mind it would be #5. |
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Feb 2, 2009 10:43 PM
#76
Torisunanohokori said: ^Yeah, but the same is true of a lot of other shows. KnK distills this to its essence (7 installments). But Major also has 5 seasons (all of which make the top 200), so installments obviously aren't the only factor. You can't get on the top without something going for you. And speaking of the top 200, I checked this out while I was waiting. 4/10 5/20 10/30 17/40 20/50 22/60 27/70 30/80 34/90 38/100 41/110 43/120 48/130 54/140 59/150 63/160 66/170 66/180 69/190 76/200 80/210 The number of sequels per overall places in the anime toplist (the average stays at a little over 1/3 except for the top 20 datapoint). That number has gone up since the last time I checked, though I'm not sure I still have the stats. Wishy had a legitimate point, it was just getting lost in the sniping - sequels get too much love and too little real criticism. The number of sequels creeping up on the toplist seriously worries me (mainly because of diversity issues). I do think something needs to be done to reign in sequel ratings in general. I don't know what I'd suggest yet. Like I said earlier, that does apply to some, but not KnK. No one will watch one KnK movie and leave the others untouched, since it's going on one storyline, and there's no good reason to drop it (Under the assumption that everyone has basic comprehending skills), even if there are people who drop it, I believe there wont be much. Comparison with episodic anime like ARIA, or sports anime like Major is not suitable. One must look at KnK as a 7 episode single series. |
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Feb 2, 2009 10:43 PM
#77
Ketuekigami said: AND, for reference sake. KnK is not supposed to be 7 different movies, its a series that consists of 7 ova's. it is the correct method and is done that way on all other anime sites, its just that MAL messed that up. Uminekko said: Comparison with episodic anime like ARIA, or sports anime like Major is not suitable. One must look at KnK as a 7 episode single series. Then, million-dollar question, why isn't it listed as one? If it were so listed, I doubt that this argument would have ever started. It doesn't need to be up there five times, going on 7. Every anime gets weighed down with hate-troll baggage (another legit ratings problem on MAL) which, ironically, pacifies flame-trolls. The solution with combination you bring up is interesting, and I thought about it before too, but there's a problem with it. Namely, how does one draw the line between, say, Hajime no Ippo and New Challenger, which vastly differ in, to say the least, soundtrack and animation quality (being a sequel 5 years apart)? Or Rurouni Kenshin and Tsuiokuhen, which share a few message differences? If that question could be answered, I think you proposal would merit serious consideration. I mean, most sequels in the top 200 have originals also in the top 200 - do fans really need to see there favorite in there twice? /awake |
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Feb 2, 2009 10:52 PM
#78
Torisunanohokori said: Ketuekigami said: AND, for reference sake. KnK is not supposed to be 7 different movies, its a series that consists of 7 ova's. it is the correct method and is done that way on all other anime sites, its just that MAL messed that up. Uminekko said: Comparison with episodic anime like ARIA, or sports anime like Major is not suitable. One must look at KnK as a 7 episode single series. Then, million-dollar question, why isn't it listed as one? If it were so listed, I doubt that this argument would have ever started. It doesn't need to be up there five times, going on 7. Every anime gets weighed down with hate-troll baggage (another legit ratings problem on MAL) which, ironically, pacifies flame-trolls. The solution with combination you bring up is interesting, and I thought about it before too, but there's a problem with it. Namely, how does one draw the line between, say, Hajime no Ippo and New Challenger, which vastly differ in, to say the least, soundtrack and animation quality (being a sequel 5 years apart)? Or Rurouni Kenshin and Tsuiokuhen, which share a few message differences? If that question could be answered, I think you proposal would merit serious consideration. I mean, most sequels in the top 200 have originals also in the top 200 - do fans really need to see there favorite in there twice? /awake I don't mind the way they listed it, and I've already posted my reasons above. Separated as 7 won't have much effect, since it was produced closely (time), or maybe some people are just lazy to add it one by one on to their list (?) . This is an issue that has nothing to do with KnK. |
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Feb 2, 2009 10:55 PM
#79
@Torisunanohokori i seriously dont know why. it was like that origionally but the mods changed it for some reason, and they would most likely say its to late to change it now. yes, that is by far the greatest problem on MAL in my opinion. i would say that when combining serious there would have to be a line drawn. i agree that that line would be incredibly hard to figure out and with some series it wouldnt be possible to do but im sure if they wanted to the mods could come up with an easy solution on how to fix this such as having the second season not be on the actual top list but viewable through the first seasons page and still having a mean score at the same time. but in cases like Rurouni Kenshin and Tsuiokuhen i think ova's should still have their own placing on the top list. though that solution probably has many holes since i just thought of it on the spot but it shows that solutions can be come up with through thinking. Uminekko said: I don't mind the way they listed it, and I've already posted my reasons above. Separated as 7 won't have much effect, since it was produced closely (time), or maybe some people are just lazy to add it one by one on to their list (?) . This is an issue that has nothing to do with KnK. i really dont mind it either but the fact that Knk #5 made it to #1 so fast was bound to make ppl flame and thats whats happened. |
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Feb 2, 2009 10:57 PM
#80
Uminekko said: I don't mind the way they listed it, and I've already posted my reasons above. Separated as 7 won't have much effects, since it was produced closely (time), or maybe some people are just lazy to add it one by one on to their list (?) . This is an issue that has nothing to do with KnK. It's already had a pretty significant impact on the ratings which are the subject of this topic. Thus it does have a bit to do with KnK. If people had been able to treat the different episodes of popular OVA series like Tsuiokuhen as separate, I almost guarantee you that KnK 5 may have hit the #4 spot. |
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Feb 2, 2009 11:01 PM
#81
mod here, the split up ova thing is being discussed by us...kind of. there's a decent-sized public topic about it, as well. Ketuekigami said: there is no easy solution. if there was, we'd have done something about this whole issue already.mods could come up with an easy solution if anyone here has any ideas, please, post them in the topic in the suggestions section. |
Feb 2, 2009 11:02 PM
#82
9.06 I'M TRIPPING BALLS |
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Feb 2, 2009 11:08 PM
#83
windy said: mod here, the split up ova thing is being discussed by us...kind of. there's a decent-sized public topic about it, as well. Ketuekigami said: there is no easy solution. if there was, we'd have done something about this whole issue already.mods could come up with an easy solution if anyone here has any ideas, please, post them in the topic in the suggestions section. lol all hail the mod xD may i ask where that topic is located where KnK was discussed? and what do you think of the solution i posted just now? i understand that it might have many flaws since i thought of it right away but what do you think? |
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Feb 2, 2009 11:08 PM
#84
Torisunanohokori said: Uminekko said: I don't mind the way they listed it, and I've already posted my reasons above. Separated as 7 won't have much effects, since it was produced closely (time), or maybe some people are just lazy to add it one by one on to their list (?) . This is an issue that has nothing to do with KnK. It's already had a pretty significant impact on the ratings which are the subject of this topic. Thus it does have a bit to do with KnK. If people had been able to treat the different episodes of popular OVA series like Tsuiokuhen as separate, I almost guarantee you that KnK 5 may have hit the #4 spot. You're straying off the original argument which was that "Sequels have higher rating" and the one I commented on. The issue you're stating here is "Series with two season or more are occupying the top 200 list". This is something i also agree with. |
Feb 2, 2009 11:09 PM
#85
Hmm, I'm actually really surprised by the high rating of this movie. I've seen the first 3, and while the art direction and animation is lovely and excellent, I just didn't feel for the characters, and that affected my enjoyment and overall rating of the first three. Well, whether for good or for bad, all this praise and high rating has raised my expectations for this movie. I'm actually excited to watch this. But I still have to finish the 4th movie first. XD |
Feb 2, 2009 11:47 PM
#86
Feb 3, 2009 12:34 AM
#87
naikou said: Ok, 4 movies down. It's certainly gotten better over the 3rd and 4th movie, but the best parts are still the Neko-Arc segments at the beginning. I'm saving the fifth movie for tomorrow and expecting to be disappointed, but who knows. If you watch it with that thought on your head, you will be dissapointed and you will think its overrated... |
Feb 3, 2009 12:37 AM
#88
Cloud1234 said: If you watch it with that thought on your head, you will be dissapointed and you will think its overrated... Would you rather I watch it expecting to be blown away, be disappointed and think it's overrated? I can't help it, either way. It would be impossible to cleanse my mind of expectations. |
Feb 3, 2009 12:44 AM
#89
naikou said: having low expectations isnt always a bad thing since if its truly excellent to the point that u cant deny it as a true critique those low expectations can easily be removed. but thats just my thoughts on KnK as a huge fan lol.Cloud1234 said: If you watch it with that thought on your head, you will be dissapointed and you will think its overrated... Would you rather I watch it expecting to be blown away, be disappointed and think it's overrated? I can't help it, either way. It would be impossible to cleanse my mind of expectations. |
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Feb 3, 2009 1:45 AM
#91
I'm surprised how many people rated it 10... Considering the storytelling style of this movie, i would have expected a lot of people to have downranked it, since (considering your average MAL level of intellect) most people would not have been able to comprehend the story. But then again, a lot of MAL users hand out perfect scores like free candy. Of course, i only understand half the story. I thought it was an awesome anime, though it failed my expectations a little bit, due to the confusing storytelling, and difficult to understand story-about the spiral of origin and counterforce and stuff. And who was the guy that gave mikiya the sword? In any case, i gave it 8/10. (theres 3 9's on my list, and no 10's.) Sure as hell deserves that #1 spot more than gurren lagaan |
dxthegreatFeb 3, 2009 3:48 AM
Feb 3, 2009 2:13 AM
#92
Kara no Kyoukai 5: Mujun Rasen have the first place. Nice! But, I doubt that it will keep the first rank for a long while, though. Xjellocross said: ITT: An elitist who can't appreciate other peoples' tastes. Seriously, whether the rank is high or not doesn't really matter. Just shut the fuck up and watch the damn movies before judging. I agreed with Xjellocross. Also, Ditto. |
gameoffreak8Feb 3, 2009 2:16 AM
Feb 3, 2009 7:07 AM
#94
Feb 3, 2009 7:10 AM
#95
I bet a lot of the people who will be watching this now won't understand it at all. |
Feb 3, 2009 7:17 AM
#96
They should just start from the first movie before jumping out to the 5th one. But, knowing how things go around here, most won't understand crap by watching KnK 5 alone without the other 4. |
MassakiFeb 3, 2009 7:43 AM
Feb 3, 2009 7:59 AM
#98
Nayah said: Watch me bump it some more....once my downloading is finished. Cannot be stressed enough, he he he |
Feb 3, 2009 8:19 AM
#100
You are making me marathon all Kara no Kyoukai! |
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