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kenshin90991 said: First off, I hate Louise, it really doesnt matter how you want to spin it she chose to be selfish and send saito away even though saito was probably ready to do what he could (die). She neglected to ask him how he felt and what he wanted to do and instead THOUGHT that it would be better off if he went back home. This is why is effed up 1) someone mentioned time, unless time flows differently there hes been gone for a while, the damage done to those he knew on earth in regards to him going missing has already been done. He likely wont have a home or stuff and nothing to eat so the reality of death still lingers regardless of the world its just in the other one at least he could be with louise until the end. 2) the old saying, sometimes its worse to not be able to do anything at all. well in this case they probably will die and he wont have been able to do anything instead hes just going to have to forget his feelings and experiences in that world... kinda messed up 3) They spent 4 seasons explaining why their bonds were so strong. if louise cant accept the fact that saito would rather be dead with her than forget her it was a great disservice to the people who sat through this and expected to see them work together. Alot of people are going to be like "well she's right she loved him so much that she let him go," and to me thats nothing more than an excuse. If you really love someone then you would want to be with them NO MATTER WHAT why because love is unconditional. Obviously the last 3 seasons ordeals meant nothing since in the end she was ok with sending him back (she was because she did it no matter how sad she was she still did it and that means she was willing to cut ties to him) i do dislike louise now As for taking a military fighter, ha, while i admit it would be cool it would also NOT work. like many have said he wouldn't be able to get close to a jet let alone get it in the air before they blew him out of the sky.... realistically..... but this isnt reality, so i support him getting a cool jet and flying it back, this means he sneaks his way onto a military installation manages to get on the runway while it clear, avoid the jets that are probably diverted from their patrol to deal with him and make it back not to mention the jet probably isnt armed, so hed have to operate something to carry his ordinance to the wing mounts all while being stealthy... this is where the 2nd problem starts Targets for jets are done through a network, a jet cannot just lock onto what it wants. so once it gets to the other world there is no IFF, there are no targets programmed into his targeting pod (unless he plans on using smart bombs not Air to Air Missiles). basically all his ordinance once in the new world would pretty much not fire making it kind of useless.... gg Zero no Tsukaima gg have to disagree ... I mean she did it to save him thats 1 and also .. shes NOT selfish at all as she still loves him but decided to let go of him .. cause she wanted him to live .. rlly louise is the best but she should get him back though but she just cared for his safety only which is the sweetest thing actually... instead of being selfish and keeping him with her for the sake of loving him for a tiny moment |
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asdf75965 said: I'm not sure how they are going to end this, but all the possibilities seem a little awkward. 1) Harem ending - this would obviously be the worst type of ending, but unfortunately its probably the most likely one. 2) Saito dies addz-sapphire said: Finally is it just me that hopes Saito will make it back help and then die... i want it to end badly. I can't say that I want this to happen, but it is at least than a harem ending. 3) Saito marrying Louise - this ending would be good but there are a few problems with it. Firstly, how are they going to stop the other girls from constantly interfering? I guess one way would be to have the dragon kill them but that's highly unlikely :P. Secondly, where would they live? If they both stayed in Louise's world then wouldn't Saito's parents be sad? (in the light novels it shows that Saito's parents email him everyday and are still looking for him) they can't go between the worlds easily because that uses up Saito's powers. Also, if Louise went to Saito's world then her family would be sad. 4) The dragon winning - judging by the endings from the previous seasons, not likely. 5) Saito gets sent back to his own world after Tiffa erases everyone's memories of Saito and Saito's memory of Louise. - I doubt they would make the ending this depressing. At least I hope they won't. Therefore the most probable ending is Harem ending where Saito stays in Louise's world. They will probably just ignore Saito's parents. oh and also.... Thatsjustpeachy said: Yumekichi11 said: Yeah that is what really got my hear going emotionally but alas I can't believe she let go of Saito's hand! This is a true disastrous move of the studio. I do not see anything else but a miracle but of how and what would be nice to see. I had that emotional outburst at first and then i was like "wait a second". I just think that the World Door can just allow them to rejoin together like when Saito was kidnapped by the elfs. So if Louise is like "hmm I miss Saito, lets have him come back" she can just use the portal again(I'm pretty sure this is possible). This just all feels flawed, maybe im the only that feels this way though. me too!! That part was much better in the light novels. It feels less natural in the anime. doubt it ... as tiffa saw how much they loved each other plus the others as well and saying they would make the same choice ... hoping that they both will go in saitos world so no interferring of the rest or else get their own mansion for rl instead of sharing and ban them from their house |
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| mecha mecha daisuki... demo demo mukatsuku.... last ep next, more sad I won't get to hear this ending song. I really hope I can either purchase and/or at least read ZnT's novels. |
| I bet Saito will travel to russia, steals a plane and somehow penetrates the barrier between the worlds. Probably flying to sun eclipse. |
| Do you think this is a motherfucking game? |
Unahim said: Yeah, Saito has become stronger in 2 things: Using his Gandalfr powers, and basic sword-fighting even without it. Please tell me why you think either of those skills would help him win a 3 on 1 fist fight. My prediction for next episode: The news in Japan announces there will be an eclipse, Saito steals a plane and flies into the eclipse, gets transported back to Helkeginia(or whatever it is called), saves the day. Not that anime really has to follow logic or anything, but I was doing some wiki research and there isn't an actual Japan Air Force base in Tokyo, there is one close by in Saitama though that does have fighter aircraft. Air Support Command is in Tokyo but they mostly deal with helicopters and cargo planes, but it is possible Saito "finds" an interceptor there out of the blue. There is also Hyakuri Air Base 53 miles northeast of Tokyo and an air show is held there yearly. The Hyakuri Air Base also has fighter aircraft, more specifically the F-4EJ and F-15 Eagle. Every other air field is much further away than those two and would likely not be possible to reach quickly, however the US Air Bases would have really badass planes! One way they could get around this is by having an Airshow close by and having Saito hijack a plane after infiltrating as a pilot or something. I agree with you that the eclipse theory is the best one so far, there is no way the World Door could open up far enough to allow a fighter jet through. Personally I kinda hope Saito gets his grubby hands on something badass like a F-22 or F-117A, which would be totally awesome.... but I think it is far more likely they would use something the Japanese are more familiar with like the F-15,which is suitably more badass than the F-4 considering the F-15 has no battle losses (in dogfights). Here's to hoping JC Staff does something wicked for the last episode and battle! |
| Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work. |
| Louise sent Saito away from his harem. Louise sent Saito away from an epic battle. I'm looking forward to 12 and finishing this anime off. I have a feeling this might be the best season of the 4. Next episode preview: Henrietta in a very tight, low-cut dress. Hooray. |
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| Has the anime caught up with the light novel/passed it, or is it not going by the light novel? |
| The LN is still ongoing. If this is truly the end to the anime, then it will be an original ending. It seems it has already deviated significantly from the LN based on other comments. Note that time flows differently in Halkegenia--based on the elapsed time since the human migration and the various intrusions of artifacts from Saito's world, it looks like at least a 3 to 1 faster time rate there. Saito won't have been gone nearly as long as he's experienced. I think there is a plot hole if he flies a modern sophisticated jet. He did learn how to pilot a Zero, but I suspect piloting a modern jet requires a little more training. My money is on Tabitha and Henrietta becoming the final two void mages and Saito being summoned as their familiar as well (which would also nicely complete the harem ending). |
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| Next episode prediction - Bad end + Forever alone ending. They fight the dragon and lose which leads to the destruction of their world. Meanwhile, Saito will still be traumatized by the events. He will never get over the fact that he got locked out of his harem, unable to return. On top of that, his family will have forsaken him for he has been gone far too long. Truly a wonderful end. |
CrimsonLight said: Next episode prediction - Bad end + Forever alone ending. They fight the dragon and lose which leads to the destruction of their world. Meanwhile, Saito will still be traumatized by the events. He will never get over the fact that he got locked out of his harem, unable to return. On top of that, his family will have forsaken him for he has been gone far too long. Truly a wonderful end. Not gonna lie, this ending would put Zero no tsukaima on Evangelion status. "It was all a dream" would make a good ending also IMO. How the hell did he plan on getting a plane? |
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| Great episode, totally knew Louise was going to let go and leave him in his world. Saito being beaten by 3 street thugs, come on now, that's crazy talk. Worst possible ending. Saito brings a plane back, Louise and Saito are on the plane fighting the dragon. Saitou kamikaze's the plane in traditional Japanese style, both of them die and the world lives happily ever after. I know it's not going to happen, but I've had my string of terrible endings lately :) ME3, MSN, etc. |
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| I don't even need to be a critic to know that the next episode will be rushed. |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| See, episode 10 should have been like ... episode 4. Then the season might've been a bit better off. Seriously, wtf was up with those mercenary guys randomly showing up to help all of a sudden? Why were they enemies in the first place again, I don't even remember. |
ciddypoo said: Seriously, wtf was up with those mercenary guys randomly showing up to help all of a sudden? Why were they enemies in the first place again, I don't even remember. they got hired by tabitha to help since they are mercenaries to begin with. IIRC they were hired by Joseph back in the previous episodes before to steal some mirror thing and kidnap louise. anyways, i am too confuzzled at how this would end, i have no idea how everything would fit in just 1 episode. though, i kinda predict saito getting a weapon/plane/whatever and teleports back with either the eclipse or louise distress call ending up using that world gate thing. meh, i guess i'll have to wait and find out. |
| Does anyone have any idea if it is following the novel or fucking it? Well, I liked this series when it started, but I have learned not to take it that seriously. |
| Quick Saito! While you're in Japan, change your clothes. |
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ThePrincessRul3z said: kenshin90991 said: First off, I hate Louise, it really doesnt matter how you want to spin it she chose to be selfish and send saito away even though saito was probably ready to do what he could (die). She neglected to ask him how he felt and what he wanted to do and instead THOUGHT that it would be better off if he went back home. This is why is effed up 1) someone mentioned time, unless time flows differently there hes been gone for a while, the damage done to those he knew on earth in regards to him going missing has already been done. He likely wont have a home or stuff and nothing to eat so the reality of death still lingers regardless of the world its just in the other one at least he could be with louise until the end. 2) the old saying, sometimes its worse to not be able to do anything at all. well in this case they probably will die and he wont have been able to do anything instead hes just going to have to forget his feelings and experiences in that world... kinda messed up 3) They spent 4 seasons explaining why their bonds were so strong. if louise cant accept the fact that saito would rather be dead with her than forget her it was a great disservice to the people who sat through this and expected to see them work together. Alot of people are going to be like "well she's right she loved him so much that she let him go," and to me thats nothing more than an excuse. If you really love someone then you would want to be with them NO MATTER WHAT why because love is unconditional. Obviously the last 3 seasons ordeals meant nothing since in the end she was ok with sending him back (she was because she did it no matter how sad she was she still did it and that means she was willing to cut ties to him) i do dislike louise now As for taking a military fighter, ha, while i admit it would be cool it would also NOT work. like many have said he wouldn't be able to get close to a jet let alone get it in the air before they blew him out of the sky.... realistically..... but this isnt reality, so i support him getting a cool jet and flying it back, this means he sneaks his way onto a military installation manages to get on the runway while it clear, avoid the jets that are probably diverted from their patrol to deal with him and make it back not to mention the jet probably isnt armed, so hed have to operate something to carry his ordinance to the wing mounts all while being stealthy... this is where the 2nd problem starts Targets for jets are done through a network, a jet cannot just lock onto what it wants. so once it gets to the other world there is no IFF, there are no targets programmed into his targeting pod (unless he plans on using smart bombs not Air to Air Missiles). basically all his ordinance once in the new world would pretty much not fire making it kind of useless.... gg Zero no Tsukaima gg I see what ur saying It makes alot of sense Fuck you. Louise is delicate and small girl. You just can't understand her feelings. <3 Louise |
| Do you think this is a motherfucking game? |
| Half of me is wanting a good ending, but then the other half is hoping it will end crap just so i can give it a shit rating lol |
| wtf is going on |
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KazukiUchiha said: Does anyone have any idea if it is following the novel or fucking it? Well, I liked this series when it started, but I have learned not to take it that seriously. They haven't truly kept it close to the LN since it started, to be honest. It has kept about 50% of the story in place and ditched the other half for fanservice/perverted stuff, basically. The first three seasons were fairly close to the LNs in terms of story but after that they really started skipping ahead fast. Saito was supposed to keep his laptop when he came to Halkeginia and that was the first of many mistakes made. To me the biggest mistake ever made was Saito's heroic sacrifice in Albion and how they botched it in the same episode and had him come back that quickly, the LN is far far better for how that turns out. After getting back to school after the war was over, Monmon told Louise to try the Familiar Summon spell (thinking that if he was alive it would not allow her to summon a new familiar, not realizing his runes had worn off due to his death/resurrection) because that would prove if Saito was alive but the gate opened and she thought he was truly dead, so Louise was going to jump off a tower to "meet Saito" again in death but that was averted and then her and Siesta went to search for him instead of being a crybaby in bed. Then Saito asked Agnes (who went searching for him on Henrietta's orders) and Tiffania (who leads Louise and Siesta to Saito's impromptu "grave") to say he was dead to Louise/Henrietta so he could do his own thing because he was no longer Gandalfr. He ended up saving Louise again when she opened a Summon Familiar portal and was calling out for help after being attacked by Sheffield and he got his runes back after that. They really botched it in the anime big time, it was far more epic in the LN! All in all, it took at least a month, probably close to 2 months before she saw Saito again and he did not magically appear in front of the school either, if she hadn't gone to look for him he would not have come back.. /facepalm In fact, the emails he got from his mother is what spurs Louise to send Saito back in the first place, by having the Pope cast the World Door (not Louise) and having Tiffania use her memory erase void spell on Louise to get rid of her memories of Saito, which is the main plot of Vol 13/14. By now we have skipped to Vol 19 and beyond which is where Lukshana shows up and we are in new territory now. A LOT of plot has been skipped overall in the anime and most of it has been character development. Most of what we got in return was fanservice and many filler episodes that don't exist in the LN. Louise actually says "I love you" to Saito a lot earlier in the LN compared to the anime, and no past tense bs either.. Volume 13 Chapter 2 to be exact, they were about to get it on until Tabitha interrupts.. as usual. Again in Volume 18 she offered to have sex with him but he turned her down for some ungodly reason, who knows what Saito is thinking. I guess the author just likes to ship tease every other chapter and wants to prolong the suffering of the hero/heroine. Blah. Honestly, I am not surprised, JC Staff did it with Toaru Majutsu no Index I/II and Railgun as well and the LNs are what you should read if you want character development, but at least the protag and heroine have actually kissed/gone to 2nd base in ZnT, compared to Index they still haven't done anything at all but have sexual tension. I guess it makes sense, Misaka Mikoto is a bit younger than Louise is after all.. |
styrMar 19, 2012 5:58 PM
| Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work. |
| That melodrama was ridiculously meh; whatever, as long as it doesn't end on a shitty note. Rather ZNT be remembered as a romance series between a girl and her knight than a boy and his harem. |
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NewBehtah said: styr said: Again in Volume 18 she offered to have sex with him but he turned her down for some ungodly reason, who knows what Saito is thinking. I guess the author just likes to ship tease every other chapter and wants to prolong the suffering of the hero/heroine. Blah. Where can you read volume 18? I can't find it anywhere... :L Vol. 18 Ch. 1 SPOILERS Can you read Japanese? That's my only advice.. I translated (took me about 5 days to do this as I am still a novice to Japanese) the Chapter 1 part where they were about to do "it" but Saito wants to wait for marriage basically, but they almost did it in a fountain.. lol.. and would have if Saito had not pulled back, literally. If you go on BakaTsuki and go to Vol 18 look at the first picture with the naked Louise in the fountain, that is the scene I am talking about. Although the picture shows the early part of the scene and only one of them is naked, |
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NewBehtah said: *sigh*.... I'm learning Japanese, it's been almost a year since I started. This is definitely a HUGE reason as to why I started anyway. Reading Japanese books, and watching Japanese TV. Thank you so much for telling me this. Is the novel still being translated? Because so far, it's only up to like chapter 4 in volume 15, and as far as I see, 20 volumes are released... :| There are supposed to be 22 and then the series ends. I just want to be assured if the translation is still continuing, because from what I see, the translations seem to be very far behind... Also, I kinda skipped ahead and started reading at volume 13... are there any other good Saito and Louise moments before that? Would love to know, because so far, it's much deeper than the anime implies :P The translation is extremely slow seeing as there is only one person working on it currently. Apparently it was a lot quicker for the first 12 volumes because there was a ton of people working on it but they ended up ditching it to work on Toaru Majutsu no Index and other projects. The current translator is moving at a snail's pace honestly and only 2 volumes have been done in 2 years, so it isn't looking good truthfully. As for other good Saito x Louise moments... Volume 13 is where she finally says the 3 words Saito has been waiting to hear, then promptly has If you really want to see a memorable scene between those two, you will want to read Vol 7 Ch 9/10 and Vol 8, as that involves Saito's sacrifice in Albion after being "married" to Louise and the search for him by Agnes and later Louise/Siesta. It is very touching especially in the later chapters of Vol 8, when Louise/Siesta reach Westwood village. I really hated how they handled this entire situation in the anime, I ranted about it in one of my previous posts in this thread that is full of spoilers. Supposedly the last two volumes are being released this year. And yes the anime totally skips over a lot of things including her Illusion spell that she uses in the LN. |
| Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work. |
| Ok Saito... GET A FUCKING NUKE AND FUCK UP THEIR BITCH ASSES EARTH STYLE BITCHES!~!~!~!~!~! |
| Not gunna lie... almost teared, but I didn't. This series will need to try a bit harder to accomplish that! Sad nonetheless though. xD |
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| Saito is obviously going to somehow come back next episode. |
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SergioSource said: lol it was totaly not there where the first gate opened, it was in the middle of the street they have no fkn idea what to do with the series rofl Maybe his memory isn't perfect? =O If it was me, I wouldn't really remember perfectly. |
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| There's a lot of things I'd like to say about this, but I'll settle with agreeing with the guy that rooted for the dragon. |
GuZApr 19, 2012 10:10 AM
| So, Saito agreed to get a plane from his world? How exactly was he planning to do that? o.O |
"what we didnt hear anything about the dragon being able to fly?" its...its a dragon remember? |
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| so uh ... Saito finally gets to go home, and in a super convenient way after all this time. now finally being back in Japan and he gets left on the roof of some random building. how did he even get down? he shows no real reaction about finally being home. doesn't the guy want to see his friends? family? something? isn't he curious about what's happened in Japan while he's been gone? what about school? this seems like a major plothole. I mean I know leaving a cool magic world, where you have powers and your own harem would suck. I can already guess how this will end, and for some reason I doubt he'll even visit anyone he knew. |
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| LMAO @ the last frame shounen style ending. so many questionable plot twists and siesta was kinda useful at the end. |
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| Pretty nice episode, oh god cant believe im about to finish this off after watching all 4 seasons. |
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