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| Loved the flashbacks. They gave a lot of weight to the battle between brothers and helped remember what was at stake. This anime started slow and kept on growing with the episodes 23-24 being absolutely perfect. Very well made and written stuff. Time to see the movie. |
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| So am I the only one who was suprised to find out at the last episode that Vash and knives were plants??!? ^^;;; |
| Meh, series started to get boring. 6/10 |
| Great ending but kinda sad. |
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| The way I took it, Vash seemed to have moved on beyond Rem's ideals and finally decides to stop relying on her, which is really good and just shows how much he has developed throughout the series. I especially like how he left his red coat sort of to symbolize that. I took his final line towards Knives as a way of actually giving proof to his point. Knives always said that the only way to survive is by taking the lives of those who are "weaker" than you. The fact that Vash had defeated Knives and still claimed that "I [he] will survive" is an indication of Vash demonstrating his philosophy and the flaw within Knives' beliefs. 10/10 - Great series, while the animation might suffer in some areas, I thought the writing and story alone justify a high score. |
ronriJun 26, 2012 12:02 AM
| Good ending. Vash really stuck with his character till the very end, but still developed in his own way. I am disappointed that nothing intimate happened between him and Meryl. Or at least a kiss. Meryl is really cute too. I give Trigun an 8/10. It was great, but the lack of Meryl and Vash left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. But other than that, Trigun is definitely a "Must See". |
Zanzie said: The ending and it's flashbacks explained Vash.. it explained everything. It summed up the whole series. It made sense of everything that has happened before, it was a mystery. All we knew was Knives killed Rem, Knives tried to kill humanity. But it explained their weapons.. it explained their powers.. and why Vash was able to do such things (The episode where he stops the plant from exploding). The ending wasn't meant for Vash+Meryl.. or the fight between Vash+Knives. The ending was designed to make sense of everything. Their abilities and most other things were explained before. I really don't think the last episode was purely for explaining everything and I don't think it did either. We already knew they weren't human and that Vash and Knives had huge differences in morality. I'll agree it did kind of explain their weapons but more than that it added depth to Vash and Knives, particularly Knives as it showed a caring side of him. Well towards Vash anyway. A little more development with Meryl would have been nice though, but I guess that's the way I feel about most anime, I always seem to want an episode of the main characters I like just being happy haha. |
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| Knives needed an earlier introduction in the series. Sure, we can explain it with him being frozen for I guess some healing period, but from my view, the real bad guy all this time should've been Legato. The ending felt crunched up with this suddenly reappearing character appearing for a <10 minutes "ultimate" boss fight. And I strongly dislike the ending. What happened to the goody good guy Vash that I looked forward to? What happened to the twenty hour reversing emotional dialogue I expected? I'm not sure whether Knives lived or died--I'll take my chances with the latter--but either one of them wouldn't do the "Vash-way" justice. I don't understand any of his motives for shooting out and wounding his own brother. It was never truly in my mind about the fighting in Trigun, it was about the pure, albeit naive and somewhat cheesy morals that Vash represented and held true, despite the living crap storm he plopped himself into. Disappointed. Hovering between a 6/10 and 7/10. |
| Ending was okay, though i expected a lot more after all the mystery and mindgames we've had to sit through. He just meets up with the bad guy and kills(?) him. That's about it. No profound conversation or anything. It's disappointing really. Especially after the last 3 amazing episodes! So many unanswered questions. Like if those guns turn Vash and Knives' arms into god-like weapons, why doesn't Vash just throw it away? Where did those come from anyway? Who made them? Also it seemed like half the episode was a recap of what's happened since 10 episodes ago. Not really what you want to spend time on for your last episode! What i did like was his last words to Rem - "Rem, i like you and whatever, but fuck your bullshit philosophies!" - Paraphrased of course but he might as well have said that! He finally manned up xD Is Trigun worth seeing? Well, yeah, i guess. Just dont expect a masterpiece like Cowboy Bebop or anything! I give it 7/10 (8/10 if i'm being generous.) Hopefully we'll get a remake someday that follows the manga which this anime apparently didn't! Seriously, why cant anime producers wait until the manga is done before doing an anime about it? |
IcecreamManwich said: Hopefully we'll get a remake someday that follows the manga which this anime apparently didn't! Seriously, why cant anime producers wait until the manga is done before doing an anime about it? I'd go out of my way to argue that the manga is way more shounen than the anime (to the point of ridiculousness), and I find that the anime is much better in that regard. |
ronri said: IcecreamManwich said: Hopefully we'll get a remake someday that follows the manga which this anime apparently didn't! Seriously, why cant anime producers wait until the manga is done before doing an anime about it? I'd go out of my way to argue that the manga is way more shounen than the anime (to the point of ridiculousness), and I find that the anime is much better in that regard. I did not know that. If i'm being honest i just want to see Trigun redone with the quality of animation that Badlands Rumble got! I know that's impossible since that was a big budget movie, but the animation of the series just really left a lot to be desired... :P |
IcecreamManwich said: I did not know that. If i'm being honest i just want to see Trigun redone with the quality of animation that Badlands Rumble got! I know that's impossible since that was a big budget movie, but the animation of the series just really left a lot to be desired... :P Fair enough, while I myself love Trigun (especially the anime) I'm not oblivious to its faults, one of them being the average animation. It is a shame though, while many hardcore fans would disagree with me, I found that the anime's approach to the story actually felt more mature than the manga. Now to be fair, at the time when the anime was made, the manga was actually on hiatus (meaning it was practically cancelled). Only after the anime was made did it actually get relaunched, thus continuing the manga's story. In a way, the 1st half of the manga came first, then the anime, then the 2nd half of the manga. In that regard, the manga author probably decided to change some aspects of his story to make it drastically different from the anime (whether or not the manga is better is debatable though). I do agree though, it'd actually be cool if Trigun was remade with the same level of animation from Badlands Rumble. |
ronriJan 9, 2013 8:29 AM
| I have to say it was a damn good ending. I enjoyed the scenes where he used Wolfwood weapon. All in all, I'm glad I finally had the chance to finish this wonderful show. |
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| Pretty good ending and the best episode(I actually expected the whole anime to be like this). The flashback was cool too. The best moment was when Vash used Wolfwood's weapon. 1. Characters. +1. I don't really like Vash much and probably anyone besides Wolfwood and somewhat - Milly. But I guess they will do for a point here. 2. Atmosphere. +1. Despite I didn't really like the feel of this desert planet, I have to admit that the atmosphere was actually well-executed, to the point where I hated watching the anime because of it. 3. OST. +1. It's definitely not my favorite OST, but it was in place, and had 2-3 quality tracks. The OP is good and the ED not really. 4. Animation. +1. It's actually great animation for a 1998 anime and it goes well with Trigun's theme imo. 5. Background story. It wasn't something great... I'm not really impressed. 6. Storyline. Same here, the storyline wasn't much of a... storyline. 7. Ending. Not impressed here either. Vash was true to himself even then and that's creditable. 8. Fight scenes. +1. Well, if this aspect of Trigun sucked, I guess there would be nothing really good about it. The fights were overall great. 9. Drama. +1. It was somewhat OK, Wolfwood's death was the best dramatic moment. 10. Overall affect. I watched this anime because it is somewhat legendary, but it didn't leave me really impressed. It was good - nothing more, nothing less. Overall score: 6/10. |
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| It was nice rewatching it and seeing the end. 8/10 the same as what I first gave. I wouldn't mind watching a remake of this. |
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MaxVdub said: PANDEMlC said: To ramble further, I'm not really sure why Knives wanted to meet Vash... or rather, have him killed. It didn't make a lot of sense, at some points he sends people to kill him, at others he sends people to die... It seemed to be a waste of time. /rant i think knives wanted to force vash to compromise his morals, which finally happened with legato. also, showdown reminded me of kaneda vs. tetsuo, mostly cause of the ridiculous arms and beams being fired. Knives wanted Vash to compromise his morals, to allow him to perceive things the same way that Knives does. Knives recognizes that he and Vash are powerful beings and he still holds Vash in high regard. It's why he KNOWS that Vash will survive all his encounters with the Gung-Ho Guns, because he recognizes Vash's superiority. The whole point of sending people to go after Vash is to cause him pain and suffering, not death. Because he knows that Vash will always somehow find a way to survive, letting loose of a bunch of psychopathic killers is Knives' way of showing Vash the pettiness and cruelty of humanity. In the end, Knives did in fact manage to break Rem's ideals, but in doing so, it allowed Vash to move past beyond what he learned from her, allowing him to gain a better sense of autonomy in the way he lives his life. Vash accepts that he killed Legato, and he recognizes it as something sinful but his acknowledgement of the circumstances and his mistake allows him to move forward. Knives had only finally decided to kill Vash when it seemed hopeless in the end, but in a funny way, it was Vash's painful experiences (both physically and mentally) that brought about Knives's downfall. Notice how Knives manages to graze and land multiple shots on Vash and Vash still maintains his ground and remains focused? Yet when Knives is hit with a single shot, he completely loses it in the end and couldn't even aim properly. It's somewhat ironic how Vash's experience of pain and suffering (which Knives had mainly caused) is what ultimately led him to win against his brother. On a final note, it's interesting how Vash sparing Knives is actually a far more powerful victory on Vash's part than one might assume. Knives always boasts that life is about survival on a zero-sum scale: how it all comes down to the notion of "kill or be killed". Yet here we have Vash, standing triumphant against his brother, having the power to do exactly what Knives claims. Yet he spares him, while defiantly claiming that he is still a survivor ("I will....survive!"). And he does this without even having the need to kill Knives and in doing so, disproving everything that Knives stood for. |
ronriMar 6, 2013 4:06 AM
| Just rewatched this series again for the first time in nearly a decade and I gotta say I love as much now as I did back then. Love and peace! Love and peace! Love and peace! |
| I respect Vash, i mean what kind of satisfaction can you get in killing. A thing that cannot be reversed and something that you could regret for the rest of your life. |
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| Great show. EPIC battle Vash vs Knives... Vash is great <3 overall 8/10 |
| Trigun was...unique but nothing over-the-top amazing imo...the ending was the killer though for me, I was expecting more action, less dialogue but it turned out to be just the opposite...too much reiteration of things that were already pointed out earlier in the show, after that the episode is well over half over, and my interest was shot dead by the time the action started. I wouldn't really consider this a classic on the levels of Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion, but I guess it's an ok show. 7/10 |
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| Great anime. The fight between Vash and Knives was epic, especially the Russian Roulette moment. Also, I swear I heard that Knives said something about "plants" and "out brethren". Does that make Knives and Vash plants with human personalities? Final Rating: 9/10 |
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SolBlade said: Great anime. The fight between Vash and Knives was epic, especially the Russian Roulette moment. Also, I swear I heard that Knives said something about "plants" and "out brethren". Does that make Knives and Vash plants with human personalities? Final Rating: 9/10 I believe the manga elaborates on this more, I was also confused by the whole "plant" thing. Apparently, Vash and Knives are living power plants. That's what he meant. It kind of makes sense now that I think about it. |
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| I agree with most of the posts I've been reading here... Ending was okay. Flashbacks were cool. Coulda had more to it though.. Series overall: 7.5/10 I thought a lot of the episodes lacked real story/substance leaving the majority of the actual plot to a select 2 or 3 episodes that explained everything. I like a story to progress throughout a series, not just give you a chunk, then a few episodes later another chunk, and then the last episode the chunks between those chunks. You know what I mean? Thought the story itself was pretty good, just that it could have been told better. |
| Why do several people seem to think Vash killed Knives? He wounded him yeah but he clearly bandaged him up so he wouldn't bleed out and then brings him back to town with a smile on his face. He fell apart after killing Legato, just imagine how he would have reacted to killing his own brother. Anyway, this anime was seriously all over the place. It didn't really grab me until the Gung-ho Guns showed up and shortly after I was disappointed to see they got 0 character development of any kind(This is also fairly true of the insurance girls as well). They just worked for Knives for the lulz. I agree with Shrackner that Knives or even the Gung-ho Guns would have benefited more from an earlier appearance. There was way too much fluff that could've been replaced with character development for those besides Vash, Knives and Wolfwood. Now as for Vash, he started off as an interesting and amusing character but got far more irritating as the show went on. While I can appreciate a character who doesn't like to kill, I'm rarely fond of one who won't kill no matter the circumstances(Part of why I'm starting to get fairly disillusioned with Batman). However, what really irritated me was how Vash allows people to walk all over him on a constant basis and forces his own ideals onto others. I mean seriously, the way Wolfwood was made to look like he had done something villainous because he killed someone to save Vash's life was just ridiculous. I could rant against Vash's morals for a long time though so best to move on. Also, does anyone else think it's pretty messed up how he kills Legato but not Knives? Sure Legato baits him by attempting to kill the insurance girls but on the other hand Knives has killed an immense amount of people and will probably continue to do so. Obviously since Knives is the only family he has, Vash wants to help him more but I seriously doubt Knives will suddenly turn over a new leaf after well over a century. 6/10 |
gettogaaraOct 18, 2013 12:55 AM
gettogaara said: Why do several people seem to think Vash killed Knives? He wounded him yeah but he clearly bandaged him up so he wouldn't bleed out and then brings him back to town with a smile on his face. He fell apart after killing Legato, just imagine how he would have reacted to killing his own brother. I agree with you here except in the following... gettogaara said: Anyway, this anime was seriously all over the place. It didn't really grab me until the Gung-ho Guns showed up and shortly after I was disappointed to see they got 0 character development of any kind(This is also fairly true of the insurance girls as well). They just worked for Knives for the lulz. I agree with Shrackner that Knives or even the Gung-ho Guns would have benefited more from an earlier appearance. There was way too much fluff that could've been replaced with character development for those besides Vash, Knives and Wolfwood. I'd argue that part of what made Trigun work was the whole bait-and-switch premise. Most of what makes it surprisingly captivating comes from the complete tonal shift midway into the series (love it or hate it). As for character development, while I can understand your criticism towards the Gung-Ho Guns, I don't see why you'd describe the insurance girls as having no development especially the hot-headed Meryl. When you consider how Meryl starts out in the series as someone who's simply trying to do her job while finding the Humanoid Typhoon as nothing but a bumbling fool, and then later on, literally forcing herself to follow Vash to the point of genuinely caring enough for him even it isn't even part of her job anymore, it just shows that despite how her growth might have been subtle, it still exists if you look at it from start to finish. gettogaara said: Now as for Vash, he started off as an interesting and amusing character but got far more irritating as the show went on. While I can appreciate a character who doesn't like to kill, I'm rarely fond of one who won't kill no matter the circumstances(Part of why I'm starting to get fairly disillusioned with Batman). However, what really irritated me was how Vash allows people to walk all over him on a constant basis and forces his own ideals onto others. I mean seriously, the way Wolfwood was made to look like he had done something villainous because he killed someone to save Vash's life was just ridiculous. I could rant against Vash's morals for a long time though so best to move on. I don't get how people always seem to think that Vash's morals are being spoon-fed to the audience as if it were making Wolfwood out to be the villain. More than anything, the series presents his no-kill rule as a deliberate flaw in his character, one who thinks he's strong and skilled enough to bypass the potential necessity of killing while continually thrusting himself into dangerous situations. The fact that this gets addressed in the end and how Vash decides to move on from simply relying on his adopted beliefs from Rem shows that Vash's implementation of his no-kill rule wasn't entirely presented as a positive thing in the series (at least in terms of the extent that he was willing to go through just preserve his own moral compass). gettogaara said: Also, does anyone else think it's pretty messed up how he kills Legato but not Knives? Sure Legato baits him by attempting to kill the insurance girls but on the other hand Knives has killed an immense amount of people and will probably continue to do so. Obviously since Knives is the only family he has, Vash wants to help him more but I seriously doubt Knives will suddenly turn over a new leaf after well over a century. 6/10 The whole point of the story as it was presented in the series was about Vash's journey and how he manages to thwart Knives' concept of survival. The fact that Vash managed to disprove Knives by literally sparing him is a clear sign of the flaw in Knives' mentality (which is why it makes more sense that Vash didn't kill Knives as it shows his ability to choose for himself). How Knives may react to that is another story. |
ronriJan 10, 2015 2:59 PM
| I don't know if it was just me, but I was waiting more of Trigun. It got good (in actions terms) in ep. 14 or so, before that there was some funny moments, but nothing really big. I understand that Vash wanted to save everyone, but if he had killed Knives 1st he would have saved many humans and just killed 1. 6/10 |
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| Lovely conclusion to be honest, I thought the ending would be way more open but this really was good at finishing the overall story of killing the one who brought his life down... and well I do wonder what the movie has to offer! In general this series was quite enjoyable, you could see from the first episode already that this anime had potential and well it sure lasted up until the end with quite lovely character and story development and a great combination between action and humor! A very good anime in general I must say! |
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| The first half was a bit boring, though it explaned some things, like the fact that we saw Knives in a ''jar'' in the previous episode. Also, I never realised that those town were made out of the ship, I'm so dumb xD The fight was pretty cool, the tactic they used were pretty clever. I was sure he wouldn't kill Knives. Without his guns, he's pretty much just a skilled guy with an ultra high IQ. I'm satified with the ending, it didn't leave any question and closed in a nice way. |
| «Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.» - Kurisu Makise a.k.a. The Zombie |
| If anime wasn't so worried about flash backs maybe they could actually make a real ending. just feels unfinished. and letting him live. lawl. he thinks killing that other psycho was a mistake? if he hadn't meryl would be dead. irritating ending, they basically negated everything they did in ep 24. bleh. |
| Episodic part of the show was pretty good, but the whole plot was just okayish at best. Some parts of the show weren't as good and other parts were. The cats being thrown and showing up each episode made me lol. Though, I'm kind of sad that Wolf died, was my favorite character next to Vash. Overall 8/10. |
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| Perfect ending. well done and great anime. 8/10 |
| Could've ended better. |
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| Dammit Vash... letting Knives live won't do the world much good, now will it? Damn you for being such a softie DX Lol @ what Meryl said at the end. Welp, off to watch the movie! Trigun + the current animation quality = excitement |
| Brings back memories of the unanswered questions. Don't bother me as much as for some other series though. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| I thought that was a pretty good ending (even though my dad was in the other room listening and was like "was that it?" because he'd sort of listened to the whole series while working lol) ... I thought the flashbacks were good and then the face off between Vash and Knives at the end was pretty good. I really thought he had killed Knives to begin with until they showed him bandaged up and Vash carrying him off with him, maybe he'll teach him how to love the world or something ... Peace and Love! It kinda would've been nice to see Vash rehabilitate Knives tbh, like maybe in a series of flashforwards in an extra episode or something lol. I want Knives to be more like Vash instead of so cynical. It's still odd that they are plants that look like humans and clearly aged to begin with then seemed to suddenly stop ageing though. I kinda don't get that. I forgot I still had the movie to watch lol. I shall have to watch it next week and see what happens! |
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stephtastrophe said: It's still odd that they are plants that look like humans and clearly aged to begin with then seemed to suddenly stop ageing though. I kinda don't get that. Just to clear things up, basically they're more like extraterrestrial beings that were used as power plants for the ships, hence why they were referred to as such. Vash and Knives are one of the few "plants" that developed similarly to humans hence why Rem took them in. |
| Not the most satisfied I've felt with and ending, but it was still cool. So much more story could be told... Anyways, I'm really glad I finished this series. It was a great time. Love and peace! |
| Truly a great series, with a legendary character in anime Vash the Stampede. I'm really glad that Vash didn't kill Knives, and completely stray away from all of Rem's teachings. At that point, breaking his policy of no-killing would've made him a complete hypocrite. The final fight was amazing and really intense. I loved how all of the odds were stacked against Vash (his pistol wouldn't shoot). Despite Knives being a sociopath, I don't think he's truly all that bad. He just has a completely logical way of thinking. Knives truly cared for Vash, which I thought was really awesome since he was presented as the most sickening character in the show. Knives is by far my favorite from the series. 10/10 |
| could have been better 7/10 |
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