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| Hope? more people would watch this. Yes, title is stupid and ep. 1 was quite average but now it became better and better every series. Hope, they won't fail it |
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| I do wish they started the series off with Ryner using his Alpha Stigma power, instead of that jumpy recap episode which ends with him & Dango-Dango girl running from a giant robot with Starcraft laser beams. I enjoyed watching the relationship between Kiefer and Ryner, and the fight scenes were kind of cool (go go Jun), but I don't know how long I'll keep watching this. One main reason, and since the comparison to Code Geass seems obvious, I'll use that: Rather than showing us why the government is so terrible (like in the first episode of CG), the writers brush any gravitas away with thin plot strokes of exposition ("The government is obviously bad, because they're trying to kill Sion. See, those evil knights kill almost everyone in the third episode!"). Plus, Ryner's motivation ("Guys, I just want to take naps all day") is so uninspired. I understand that there's something deeper behind it ("I don't want to go berserk and kill everyone with my powers"), but even that's not very deep. Watching a lazy character with deus ex machina eyeblasters that everyone hates for some inexplicable reason makes everything seem quite boring. I have a hard time even trying to care about the characters and their (mostly non-existent) motivations. Imagining Ryner as Meursault (The Stranger... with Alpha Stigma! lolheroes) makes me laugh, though. |
sexiji said: I am quite agree with that Ryner is boring and giving a bad impression into the audience, but if you compare with character like Naruto,I think Ryner's situation is also a possible character that will grow into lazy sort of development instead of a character who focus more into struggle type of character.Actually Ryner is the ONLY character which I know has a monster power that also hate himself just like Naruto.Ryner is not only he hate himself,but he also actually giving up upon himself as well,that is why he is soo lazy.....Plus, Ryner's motivation ("Guys, I just want to take naps all day") is so uninspired. I understand that there's something deeper behind it ("I don't want to go berserk and kill everyone with my powers"), but even that's not very deep. Watching a lazy character with deus ex machina eyeblasters that everyone hates for some inexplicable reason makes everything seem quite boring. I have a hard time even trying to care about the characters and their (mostly non-existent) motivations. As you can see when he get crazy,he can't even control himself and His eye is forcefully closed by Sion.Can you even imagine if there is no one help Ryner close his eye when he went into berserk? As for me ,I am very scared it and I would rather isolate myself instead of making many many friend and be a very very active dude like a joker to get people's attention .Basically I think Ryner's attitude/characteristic are more logical if you are referring to his current situation. And one last thing,You are putting Baccano as your favorite list and you are saying that you don't like episode 1?.If I am not mistaken,Baccano episode 1 is also a recap,and I am pretty sure that you understand why baccano put a recap in episode 1 also. |
| that was surprising and great from an execution point of view.. plot and characters still need to progress for me to really really like it.. still, this certainly became one of the better series to watch for me from this season.. |
| WOW! From an OK show to an epic show! I hope a lot of people stuck on with this anime. |
sexiji said: Well, episode 2 talked a little about this, didn't it? For one thing they took the orphans of war and forced them to be soldiers - essentially, slaves. When they were no longer needed, they killed a bunch of them. (To hide the evidence? I can't remember exactly.) I think if you were one of the orphans, you'd have reason enough to hate the government. ...still, the plot does feel a bit convenient and shallow. Or maybe just rushed?Rather than showing us why the government is so terrible (like in the first episode of CG), the writers brush any gravitas away with thin plot strokes of exposition ("The government is obviously bad, because they're trying to kill Sion. See, those evil knights kill almost everyone in the third episode!"). MorningGlory said: I think since Ryner is not the power-hungry type, this attitude makes sense.sexiji said: I am quite agree with that Ryner is boring and giving a bad impression into the audience, but if you compare with character like Naruto,I think Ryner's situation is also a possible character that will grow into lazy sort of development instead of a character who focus more into struggle type of character.Actually Ryner is the ONLY character which I know has a monster power that also hate himself just like Naruto.Ryner is not only he hate himself,but he also actually giving up upon himself as well,that is why he is soo lazy.....Plus, Ryner's motivation ("Guys, I just want to take naps all day") is so uninspired. I understand that there's something deeper behind it ("I don't want to go berserk and kill everyone with my powers"), but even that's not very deep. Watching a lazy character with deus ex machina eyeblasters that everyone hates for some inexplicable reason makes everything seem quite boring. I have a hard time even trying to care about the characters and their (mostly non-existent) motivations. As you can see when he get crazy,he can't even control himself and His eye is forcefully closed by Sion.Can you even imagine if there is no one help Ryner close his eye when he went into berserk? As for me ,I am very scared it and I would rather isolate myself instead of making many many friend and be a very very active dude like a joker to get people's attention .Basically I think Ryner's attitude/characteristic are more logical if you are referring to his current situation. |
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| I wish there was 720p videos, stupid 360p is taking away my enjoyment. As for this episode, that was the weakest rape scene I have ever seen lol. |
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| We learned a bit about Ryner's character this episode, and about his power. I still don't particuarly like Sion. I wonder when we'll meet his other knights from the first episode? This show is good and all, but it doesn't even compare to Code Geass! |
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| Why would one compare it to Code Geass? Because the main characters' seiyuu is the same? That really is stupid. |
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ilikeyouevenmore said: forgot about this part, the evil knight who kill the whole people in this episode is Estabur's knight not Roland's Knight.There is a war going on between Roland and Estabur but because Ryner kill all the 50 knight in one battle.The victory of the war goes to Roland and RynerSion become the Hero .The elite knight is the most powerful military tools in a country and the battle is pointless to continue if those elite knight all die in the same time.sexiji said: Well, episode 2 talked a little about this, didn't it? For one thing they took the orphans of war and forced them to be soldiers - essentially, slaves. When they were no longer needed, they killed a bunch of them. (To hide the evidence? I can't remember exactly.) I think if you were one of the orphans, you'd have reason enough to hate the government. ...still, the plot does feel a bit convenient and shallow. Or maybe just rushed?Rather than showing us why the government is so terrible (like in the first episode of CG), the writers brush any gravitas away with thin plot strokes of exposition ("The government is obviously bad, because they're trying to kill Sion. See, those evil knights kill almost everyone in the third episode!"). |
MorningGloryJul 17, 2010 11:46 AM
mollymarie said: We learned a bit about Ryner's character this episode, and about his power. I still don't particuarly like Sion. I wonder when we'll meet his other knights from the first episode? This show is good and all, but it doesn't even compare to Code Geass! Damn rite man, Code Gayass is a cool guy, Spinzaku & "Notto desu shitto agen" everybody and ain't afraid of anything! viral_hun said: Why would one compare it to Code Geass? Because the main characters' seiyuu is the same? That really is stupid. Well, it's a well established fact that human's stupidity knows no limits and can actually be divided by zero.... |
BitchMasterJul 17, 2010 10:58 AM
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viral_hun said: Why would one compare it to Code Geass? Because the main characters' seiyuu is the same? That really is stupid. Completely agree, this show is average at best, it can't be compared to Code Geass. |
grklein said: viral_hun said: Why would one compare it to Code Geass? Because the main characters' seiyuu is the same? That really is stupid. Completely agree, this show is average at best, it can't be compared to Code Geass. LOL, if this show turns out average, won't that make it more like Code Geass? But I agree with viral_hun. That seiyuu is in so many roles, why do people keep bringing it up here? It can't just be the eyes. The magic that the characters use is completely different. |
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supersayen said: At one moment, I didn't understand the flashback where the gray-long-hair dude was being treated as a hero or something, then two minutes later he's in a prison (someone care to explain this?) .......continue explanation from the previous post I posted. Sion did not went into the prison,Sion is only visiting Ryner in the prison.. Although the one who killobliterate the elite knight of Estabur is Ryner,but Ryner is a Alpha stigma.Every people hate and scare Alpha Stigma and How can you make a monster to be come a hero of Roland???Why Keifer cannot be a hero?? because she is a spy from Estabur.The Aristocrats in the country is very powerful but no matter how powerful it is, they cannot deny the citizen.Since the battle is won,One candidate must at least go up the stage.( the white horse witness the 3 survivor in the battle,I guess either one is the hero ).... note:Right now,Sion the gray-long-hair dude has the power/influece from the citizen. One more question is that why the Aristocrats knows Ryner is a Alpha stigma? I think this will explain later.(actually I just forgot =P ) |
MorningGloryJul 17, 2010 11:32 AM
| perfect voice acting. best episode yet, and it improves my rating for the series. glad Kiefer lived and enjoyed the kiss. Ryner destroying the enemy army was awesome. can't wait for the next episode. it's getting pretty legendary after all. |
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supersayen said: He is wearing orange uniform from the very start....Ya I have to agree that most orange uniform are suppose to be prisoner because the magic school that they attend is some sort of prison school that is specialize in battle anyway.Ohhhh... My bad. I thought Sion was imprisoned but he just came to visit... now it makes more sense. I think the orange uniform made me think he was a prisoner since most TV series have orange uniform for prisoners lol. |
| Unexpectedly, a very good episode. I figured I'd like this more than anything else this season, but I can't say I saw this coming. |
| Wait, so Keifer was the spy? Bummer... I know there's one since it was mentioned last episode. So that means her magic that she released to the sky was a betrayal? But that doesn't make sense because she was captured and almost raepd. That must mean she isn't the spy because the enemy knights didn't recognize her. Then again, what was that magic firework for? I'm kind of confused. |
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belatkuro said: Confuse?? Kier is a spy sent from Estabur and now she has become a betrayer by siding with Roland.She is siding with Roland's Aristocrat and the Aristocrat wants to kill Sion.Of course Kefier is still function as a spy of Estabur but she is control by the Aristocrat from Roland.Wait, so Keifer was the spy? Bummer... I know there's one since it was mentioned last episode. So that means her magic that she released to the sky was a betrayal? But that doesn't make sense because she was captured and almost raepd. That must mean she isn't the spy because the enemy knights didn't recognize her. Then again, what was that magic firework for? I'm kind of confused. He is actually sending false signal to the Evil knight which is ordered by the Aristocrat from Roland.As I said from the previous post,the elite knight is very important squad in the country right?Then why did they attack stupid weak rookie squad in the first place??Sion is the main target!! it seem i keep on edit my post,sry about that ,but I need to make a logical story here from the episode we seen.(as I said,this episode lack of explanation) The only question left is that why kiefer is not killed during the massacre??Maybe she is sexy?or maybe she is just lucky? LOL |
MorningGloryJul 17, 2010 12:29 PM
belatkuro said: Wait, so Keifer was the spy? Bummer... I know there's one since it was mentioned last episode. So that means her magic that she released to the sky was a betrayal? But that doesn't make sense because she was captured and almost raepd. That must mean she isn't the spy because the enemy knights didn't recognize her. Then again, what was that magic firework for? I'm kind of confused. I believe she was a spy for her country, not the enemies that attacked them. as their own country wanted the enemies to kill them all. |
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grklein said: viral_hun said: Why would one compare it to Code Geass? Because the main characters' seiyuu is the same? That really is stupid. Completely agree, this show is average at best, it can't be compared to Code Geass. average at its best? you can say that after 3 episodes of a 26 episode anime? Besides without season 2 code geass wouldnt be good at all Anyways why come up and compare it with code geasss even ? different genres it seems anyways |
| Very underwhelmed. Ryner is such an unlikable protagonist. And the scenes with him laughing hysterically were just so incredibly lame. I don't feel much an emotional connection with anything happening in this show. |
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MorningGlory said: Let me get this straight. The Elite Knights are the main forces and symbol of a country. Instead of sending Roland's own knights, the aristocrats planned and sent Sion's platoon as cannon fodder and to kill Sion. Kiefer was ordered to send a false signal to the enemy knights to signal a sneak attack because the enemy thinks that they are the elite knights of Roland but were not. The knight and Kiefer were just being used to kill Sion because the aristocrats have some hate for him. In the end, Ryner obliterated the enemies so the war is over. Ryner was imprisoned because he is an Alpha Stigma user or bearer, whatever the term is. So Kiefer is imprisoned why again? I'm still confused, it's 3am here I'm sleepy -_-Confuse?? Kier is a spy sent from Estabur and now she has become a betrayer by siding with Roland.She is siding with Roland's Aristocrat and the Aristocrat wants to kill Sion.Of course Kefier is still function as a spy of Estabur but she is control by the Aristocrat from Roland. He is actually sending false signal to the Evil knight which is ordered by the Aristocrat from Roland.As I said from the previous post,the elite knight is very important squad in the country right?Then why did they attack stupid weak rookie squad in the first place??Sion is the main target!! it seem i keep on edit my post,sry about that ,but I need to make a logical story here from the episode we seen.(as I said,this episode lack of explanation) Will this be explained in the next episodes, as well as Kiefer's past? This is kind of interesting but the episode lack explanation. As of now this information is kind of a spoiler so just clarify if what I said is exact and don't add any more spoilers :D. |
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| I loved this episode, it was awsome. I think it has the potential to be a huge hit~ Well, I hope so~ Ryner's powers are badass also poor Kiefer, I hope we'll see her again~ |
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Kurogashi said: You could always watch Commie's rip. It's 720p.I wish there was 720p videos, stupid 360p is taking away my enjoyment. Densetsu is getting better by the episode. This was a lot more brutal than I'd thought it'd be. Fukujama Jun with his laugh... Brilliant. |
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| great episode. It gets better each week. I'm guessing Ferris or someone is going to get Ryner out of prison or something like that next episode. |
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belatkuro said: MorningGlory said: Let me get this straight. The Elite Knights are the main forces and symbol of a country. Instead of sending Roland's own knights, the aristocrats planned and sent Sion's platoon as cannon fodder and to kill Sion. Kiefer was ordered to send a false signal to the enemy knights to signal a sneak attack because the enemy thinks that they are the elite knights of Roland but were not. The knight and Kiefer were just being used to kill Sion because the aristocrats have some hate for him. In the end, Ryner obliterated the enemies so the war is over. Ryner was imprisoned because he is an Alpha Stigma user or bearer, whatever the term is. So Kiefer is imprisoned why again? I'm still confused, it's 3am here I'm sleepy -_-Confuse?? Kier is a spy sent from Estabur and now she has become a betrayer by siding with Roland.She is siding with Roland's Aristocrat and the Aristocrat wants to kill Sion.Of course Kefier is still function as a spy of Estabur but she is control by the Aristocrat from Roland. He is actually sending false signal to the Evil knight which is ordered by the Aristocrat from Roland.As I said from the previous post,the elite knight is very important squad in the country right?Then why did they attack stupid weak rookie squad in the first place??Sion is the main target!! it seem i keep on edit my post,sry about that ,but I need to make a logical story here from the episode we seen.(as I said,this episode lack of explanation) Will this be explained in the next episodes, as well as Kiefer's past? This is kind of interesting but the episode lack explanation. As of now this information is kind of a spoiler so just clarify if what I said is exact and don't add any more spoilers :D. It's finally starting to make sense to me... thanks! |
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@MorningGlory (previous post spoilered): Ryner isn't the first character I've come across with a great power who hates himself, but I see where you're coming from with your perspective. Like we both said, being afraid of killing everyone as a result of using your power would be pretty terrible. There are just a lot of ways to develop such a character, though, and the "I really just want to nap all day" attitude isn't as interesting to me. Regarding Baccano: Yes, the story does start as a recap, in a way, from the perspective of two characters who are trying to discover what happened aboard a gruesome train ride. The storycraft hooked me right away. This show? I found myself visibly cringing throughout the first episode as I watched it, and almost dropped it then and there. I'm not opposed to stories jumping through time, as long as they're done in a compelling, reasonable way. I simply wasn't as impressed with this one. No worries ^^ viral_hun said: Why would one compare it to Code Geass? Because the main characters' seiyuu is the same? No, not because the main character's seiyuu is the same. I compared it to Code Geass because I felt each story's premise is somewhat similar, but the conflict and motivations behind the setting and the main characters in CG were more immediately engaging and interesting to me. Not exact, but similar. I noticed a few jumped on the "How can you possibly compare two shows like X and Y?!!1shift1! I think X/Y is the blah blah bloo." Earlier in this post, MorningGlory and I (briefly) compared Baccano and LotLH's first episodes. If you think it's impossible to rationally compare and contrast two series (LotLH & CG, RG Utena & Sailor Moon, Seven Samurai & The Wild Bunch), or even different elements within a series, then I really don't know what to say :P |
BitchMaster said: mollymarie said: We learned a bit about Ryner's character this episode, and about his power. I still don't particuarly like Sion. I wonder when we'll meet his other knights from the first episode? This show is good and all, but it doesn't even compare to Code Geass! Damn rite man, Code Gayass is a cool guy, Spinzaku & "Notto desu shitto agen" everybody and ain't afraid of anything! XDD what is this I don't even |
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| Good stuff. I feel like the show's come a long way since episode one(it seemed like a generic RPG fantasy), and what's strange is that we're only on the third episode. I think Legend of the Legendary Heroes has a lot of potential, so I'll remain optimistic for now. Will I like this one as much as Guin Saga? Probably not, but it could very well be the surprise of the season. ...and I have a soft spot for fantasy and medieval-type anime. <_< The only thing I really didn't like so much about this episode was how rushed the first half was. The group only moved out at the end of the last episode, and they were all pretty much wiped out in the first couple of minutes here. lolwut. Ryner's "transformation" and the subsequent massacre was, admittedly, quite cool. Jun Fukuyama's hamming it up as usual, I see. Heh. What I'm most interested in, however, is the whole Sion-Ryner dynamic. There's a lot of potential here. Sion might become corrupt in the future and Ryner will have to stop him. Who knows? Maybe it'll be something unexpected. Also, to quote someone from another forum: I would describe Legend of the Legendary Heroes as a possible product of Legend of the Galactic Heroes and Berserk getting together and having a kid who went on to elope with Slayers against his parents' wishes. |
| Good by for now Kiefer..T_T Somehow i got this feeling that Kiefer will face Ryner in the future So are we settle with Denyuden or LoLH? |
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| I was pleasantly surprised by this ep, wasn't expecting this kind of brutality from this show. So far I was thinking it was going to be a "mhe average" series but perhaps I'll be proven wrong. |
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belatkuro said: because she is a Spy of Estaburu and now Kiefe is completely useless to the Aristocrat because Sion gained protection from the citizen.So Kiefer is imprisoned why again? .its 3am for me also over there just now and I went to sleep . and thanks for understanding my horrible explanation LOL anyway,does it make sense??and I think I did not spoil anything and the thing I explained just now is "shown" in the all episode.... ~shooting fireball in the sky? >sending signal ~asking Ryner to leave instead of Sion and the others?She don't want her sister to die which is dead long time ago and Ryner is the one who bring the sad news to kiefer and Kiefe look like an idiot for being a traitor and she admit that she is an idiot. Kiefe's past will be explain in dunno what episode and the only thing we know now is she is a spy and she got 2 more sister(currently :dead ). here is a Real spoiler(don't click if you don't want get spoiled) @sexiji Ya i agree ,but both Anime start with recap right? Even though this recap episode is a bit different compare to Baccano.Actually it will be stupid if both are the same , |
MorningGloryJul 17, 2010 6:00 PM
| First, let me just say this: This IS a good show. People need to stop comparing it to Code Geass or whatever just because Fukuyama-san is Ryner's VA. I know he has some symbols in his eyes (I saw them too... Pretty clearly actually, when he went in his "KILL ALL" rampage...), but that doesn't make him Lelouch... Lelouch is far more awesome. Now... that being said, I have to point something out - that Ryner is Chuck Norris, animated version. There, I said it. That's the only explanation. Either that or someone made the Legendary (see what I did there? Heh) Division by Zero, which caused him to go into a bloody rampage. But, seriously, the amount of death in this episode was enormous. Guess it's proving a point or something - "Beware of Ryner", I think might be it. Looking forward to more background on this "Alpha Stigma" power. |
| Wow, amazing episode. This show is surprising me quite a bit.^^ |
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yamakasi said: She should be dead.Man Kiefer is an annoying bitch, she should have been beaten up instead of Ryner. Lucile holding the head and Ryer's drill...epic! |
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| Best show of this season by far. |
-khriz- said: Best show of this season by far. Absolutely true. I am still wondering why people are still rating it so low. That was an amazing episode in every aspect. |
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shanimebib said: -khriz- said: Best show of this season by far. Absolutely true. I am still wondering why people are still rating it so low. That was an amazing episode in every aspect. |
MorningGloryJul 20, 2010 7:16 AM
| Wow, Kiefer had the death flag all over her. Guess she's got more development left. Just read 1st chapter of manga as well. Where can I read more? and perhaps the novel as well? Two roles this season with FukuJun dual voice switch. He gets too many of those lol. |
Sprite_CokeJul 18, 2010 12:17 AM
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| Well, I'll be.... The moment he snapped it sent chills down my spine... Brrr~ The voice acting of Lelou-Ryner is fluid... Talk about smooth voice acting, I'm getting Lelouch vibes from his laugh... Just brilliant! o.0 Maybe this show is a bit overlooked because of the title or those FukuJun haters but damn... Reading the novel/manga is a bit different to the anime compared to how they managed to execute it flawlessly... This would probably be a sleeper hit if it doesn't get more viewers... -_-;; Anyway, hope DYD would get more viewers and higher ratings if they could keep this up... (´ー`)y-~~ Need moar DYD! ⊂（ﾟДﾟ⊂⌒｀つ≡≡≡(´⌒;;;≡≡≡ |
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| Upcoming, Ferris going berserk! After that, Sion going madness! Can't wait where Ryner meet Ferris. I love Fukayama evil laugh. I mean who doesn't! ------------------------------------------ All Hail Lelouch! |
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| I'm glad this show is panning out to be everything I thought it would... |
| Legendary episode. |
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