Rekishi ni Nokoru Akujo ni Naru zo Episode 2 Discussion

Honestly, I doubt that in their culture such an age gap matters, and even from a modern perspective she's objectively much older mentally so it's kind of a grey area, y'all need to get over this and look at the real issue here.

This duke is so freaking dull and such a boring cliche of a romantic interest in shojo, I don't see them being a good pair. She's so amusing, it'd be much more interesting to have someone just as eccentric being matched up with her, but alas, this is what we get.

Alicia is quite lucky to have wandered into the town at night and not run into a murderer, but instead, she was found by a blind man and entered his house without any hesitation despite being in a place where nobles are hated. She got a glimpse of the kingdom’s darker side and started working harder to become a better villain by learning magic. However, even though she wants to be a villain, most of her actions seem more in line with those of a hero. I still think the protagonist's obsession with the villain from the game isn't real, and she just wants to play at being a stereotypical villain.

The duke is a lolicon; the age difference doesn’t bother me too much, as it’s something typical of that era, though it’s still odd. What really bothered me was the sudden kiss he gave her while she was unconscious. That felt entirely out of place in that situation.

I’m sorry, but how old is the duke??
That at the end was so unnecessary. He was weird since the first time he saw her, but that kiss was just uncalled for, he was just looking for an excuse to kiss this 10 year old girl. I honestly don’t know how old the duke himself is, but if he’s already at the magic academy, that would make him at least 15…
I really don’t like this. I know it’s a frequently used setup to put the woman or sometimes man in a vulnerable position to give the counter interest a base to work on and show affection, but this was just a violation.
Maybe I’m overreacting, but this was definitely not the right time. If he wasn’t showing so much (creepy) affection for her already, ig it would be fine then, because then he would just be helping her, but here it seems like it’s for him and not for her.

okay thats a turn for the worse(?) she was just thinking "hmm grimoires" and snap, a bookshelf of them appeared.
also why in the hell did the blue hair boy kiss her :D? she was supposed to drink the medicine so you should have poured it into her mouth not randomly kiss her. maybe it was supposed to be so that he drank it and gave it to her with the kiss but we didnt see him move the cup so there is no way he did that

@rightshift "He was weird since the first time he saw her"

So, you're just going to ignore that the shopkeeper told another boy he better snatch her up before she's taken?

@rightshift I think it's more for dramatic effect and is pretty common in anime, especially in reincarnation isekai where the "soul" of the character is much older. (See mushoku tensei as a popular example that people seem to have a little less of an issue with, probably because the MC is male.)

So, yeah, I'd say you're overreacting, especially given the context. Best not to be so morally judgmental with art and artists. Makes it hard for everyone to enjoy life when people push so hard against freedom of artistic expression.

@sadoldman she was half unconscious, at that point it would’ve been better if she would’ve just been asleep while he did it. And you can’t really compare it to Mushoku Tensei, not because he’s male, but because he didn’t have that big of a physical/biological age gap between him and his romantic interests, also completely different characters (he was a pervert and there’s nothing “ok” with it, but there was comedic value to the stuff he did. The stuff in this show is leaning more to the uncomfortable creepy side). And it’s not like she was pursuing anything with anyone. She was just straight up taken advantage of, while she wasn’t showing any interest in, nor being capable of refusing to take on this route.
If you’d put the scene, given the context, into reality, it wouldn’t just be weird, but literally illegal. There are so many red flags that shouldn’t be portrayed as normal or “romantic”.

@LostSpectre yes, he was joking. It was a joke, because she’s obviously too young for anyone else to take her from him yet

I love this character.


And, what is this?? Oh, hold up—Wait, what? Ohhh, I get it now—it’s gotta be the meds. He probably had to give it her like that since there was no other way... Guess he didn’t have any other options...

The age gap between duke and alicia is really throwing me off, a 10-year-old as a presumably 15+ year old?

Seriously, by the way, if it was the girl who kissed the boy we'd have the same 1-2 post crowd here whining about how an isekaied 30-year old assaulted a 15-year-old. There's literally zero hope for these people.

@HiljainenSipuli What? You seriously can't follow that he fed her the medicine mouth to mouth without being shown that he drank from the cup?

@LostSpectre like i said that i assume thats what happened but i dont see why they didnt show it? wouldnt it have been a better scene with a proper kiss?

Honestly, I doubt that in their culture such an age gap matters, and even from a modern perspective she's objectively much older mentally so it's kind of a grey area, y'all need to get over this and look at the real issue here.

This duke is so freaking dull and such a boring cliche of a romantic interest in shojo, I don't see them being a good pair. She's so amusing, it'd be much more interesting to have someone just as eccentric being matched up with her, but alas, this is what we get.

@Drexiel I had to read 38 comments to find someone with an ounce of common sense, apparently their medieval European setting should reflect our modern day sensibilities. Agreed on the prince having virtually zero personality, but that's generally how it goes, I don't think romance will be a focal point here, though.

I’m sorry, but how old is the duke??
That at the end was so unnecessary. He was weird since the first time he saw her, but that kiss was just uncalled for, he was just looking for an excuse to kiss this 10 year old girl. I honestly don’t know how old the duke himself is, but if he’s already at the magic academy, that would make him at least 15…
I really don’t like this. I know it’s a frequently used setup to put the woman or sometimes man in a vulnerable position to give the counter interest a base to work on and show affection, but this was just a violation.
Maybe I’m overreacting, but this was definitely not the right time. If he wasn’t showing so much (creepy) affection for her already, ig it would be fine then, because then he would just be helping her, but here it seems like it’s for him and not for her.

I'm here to complain about how bad the horses are.

wtf she is 10

other villainess-genre anime never be this weird

wtf she is 10

other villainess-genre anime never be this weird

People getting mad at an shojou Isekai for doing Shoujo tropes lol. That shit was truly extreme I mean use a freaking spoon or something.

Alicia is great mc so far. Talking about being the "good guy" for helping the poor. Well technically they are still criminals and enemy of the state, also you can be villian from different pov. I would have loved to see her going to war and stuff but it was expected that it will never happen. Unless she doesn't complete 180 becomes goody girl, I am fine with it.

It's been decent so far the direction is still unclear.

@Love_And_Forward You'd think these people never read Romeo and Juliet, The Secret Garden or even Peter Pan... or didn't they realize the age of those characters? Maybe they did and are equally as appalled by it?

@sadoldman The thing is, I actually do agree with a fair amount of criticism in this thread, it's just it's pretty irrelevant. First, no, the romantic interest doesn't have a lot of personality and he's not all that well fleshed out. Same goes for Alicia, but hell, this isn't Shakespeare. Second, yeah, I'd preferred if their first kiss hadn't been the "medicine mouth to mouth" thing, but oh well, I'll take it. I'd have zero complaints if they just straight up kissed in this episode.

The reason is obvious. While age isn't "just a number," you actually have to look at the damn characters. You can't tell me that Alicia has less agency, less self-awareness, less presence or less maturity than Duke. Hell, all the other kids are in awe of her. And it's been telegraphed from here to Sunday that she has the hots for him.

And finally... I just can't stand the crowd who somehow thinks pixels can be raped.

@Love_And_Forward Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't really care for the scene for many reasons. But it's nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape over.

I get what you're saying, but as soon as you go down that route you're basically saying young girls that act mature are fair game, and I'm not on-board with that in reality at all.

That said, and I think we probably agree, at the end of the day it's fiction. No matter how it's spun, no one is actually being kissed here just like no one is actually being murdered in Stephen King's books. This scene so many are complaining about was obviously meant to grab attention -- and it did just that.

@WaterMage Extreme? Go watch Redo the Healer.

@sadoldman Well, I mean, that's my point. It's a fantasy world. And Alicia isn't "young" either, she's isekaied. Duke is 15, not 50. Nothing really struck me as "disgusting" about their romantic interest for each other. It just looks rather funny that she's like, half his size, but she isn't painted like a "little kid" either, and she doesn't have the mannerism of one.

@vienarr Meanwhile, in the other villainess anime airing this season it's a 10 yr old with a 19 yr old. LOL