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Nov 2, 2023 12:08 PM
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MegamiRem said:
Lots of eh moments at the begining and the entire Gamma bit was hilarious. So she's just seventeen eh. She's OP but a real klutz and the nose bleeds lol. Great to see Alexia again, what was that smirk about though?

The counterfeit bills plan is in motion. Both Alpha and the other guy is confused. Also lmao they actually made the fake bills higher quality. Kinda feel bad for Rose though.

They're all supposed to be around the same age.
Nov 2, 2023 12:35 PM
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Dan_ALves said:
I'll be honest, I'm having a hard time understanding what is happening. All this economic motivated warfare is scrambling my brain.

- Let's say a £1 note is worth 1 ounce of gold right?
- Now Let's say the public has put 100 ounces of gold into the bank.
- The public has been given 100 £1 notes.

- Right now the amount of gold = the amount of £1 notes, 100 ounces of gold and 100 notes.
- There is the equivalent of 100 onces of gold circulating in the economy.
- This is because the bank is holding the gold for safety and you have a note promising the equivalent vale as is stated on it.

- Now the bank has 100 ounces of gold but instead of only giving out 100 £1 notes they give out 200 £1 notes.
- This is equivalent to more gold than they have.

- This situation is fine because people don't want to have the physical gold as paper is more convenient.

- As long as the bank has enough gold to cover the expected withdrawals then nobody is the wiser.

- However, if everyone goes to the bank to withdraw all their gold at once then the bank will not have enough gold.
- Remember the bank has 100 ounces of gold but has given out 200 £1 notes.

This is basically what's happening. In the plot they're flooding fake notes into the economy. When people realise that the notes are fake they'll want to return to physical gold. However, when they all go to exchange their notes (called a run on the banks) the bank won't have enough gold to give out.

When one bank collapses, trust in all banks comes into question. Everyone will then go to the Shadow Garden bank (who also have less gold than the notes they've given out) and try to get their gold back.

As the £1 note only holds value because it is the equivalent 1 ounce of gold (back to the example above) when they realise there isn't enough gold the value of the note drops.

Hope this helps?

As a point of interest UK bank notes (at least The Bank of England bank notes) still say on them "I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of x pounds" as a recognition that the bank note itself is not actually money.
Nov 2, 2023 3:06 PM
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"john smith" was on job
Nov 2, 2023 4:27 PM
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2 words...
John Smith
Nov 2, 2023 4:38 PM
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So he is so bored he is playing against himself ? With multiple personalities. Oh man. The show became exactly what it was parodying in the first season, this entire plot line is something the show in S1 would parody.

The side characters are boring and shallow. Cid is M.I.A, here we're actively following the side characters, and they simply suck! The start of this episode was it suppose to be funny? With all the "eh?" and that clumsy af girl, Gamma was it? "Fighting" was also suppose to be funny? Because it wasn't, none of it was.
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Nov 2, 2023 4:55 PM
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Dan_ALves said:
I'll be honest, I'm having a hard time understanding what is happening. All this economic motivated warfare is scrambling my brain.

- Let's say a £1 note is worth 1 ounce of gold right?
- Now Let's say the public has put 100 ounces of gold into the bank.
- The public has been given 100 £1 notes.

- Right now the amount of gold = the amount of £1 notes, 100 ounces of gold and 100 notes.
- There is the equivalent of 100 onces of gold circulating in the economy.
- This is because the bank is holding the gold for safety and you have a note promising the equivalent vale as is stated on it.

- Now the bank has 100 ounces of gold but instead of only giving out 100 £1 notes they give out 200 £1 notes.
- This is equivalent to more gold than they have.

- This situation is fine because people don't want to have the physical gold as paper is more convenient.

- As long as the bank has enough gold to cover the expected withdrawals then nobody is the wiser.

- However, if everyone goes to the bank to withdraw all their gold at once then the bank will not have enough gold.
- Remember the bank has 100 ounces of gold but has given out 200 £1 notes.

This is basically what's happening. In the plot they're flooding fake notes into the economy. When people realise that the notes are fake they'll want to return to physical gold. However, when they all go to exchange their notes (called a run on the banks) the bank won't have enough gold to give out.

When one bank collapses, trust in all banks comes into question. Everyone will then go to the Shadow Garden bank (who also have less gold than the notes they've given out) and try to get their gold back.

As the £1 note only holds value because it is the equivalent 1 ounce of gold (back to the example above) when they realise there isn't enough gold the value of the note drops.

Hope this helps?

As a point of interest UK bank notes (at least The Bank of England bank notes) still say on them "I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of x pounds" as a recognition that the bank note itself is not actually money.
@StarZone1 Oh, wow, thanks very much. Never thought someone would actually try to give an explanation. Yeah, i think I get it now. Cid (or John Smith) and that fox lady are flooding the market with fake notes to make everyone loose faith in the currency and have them go the banks and withdraw all the gold. The banks don´t have enough for everybody, so they´ll colapse. The people will then turn to Shadow Garden, but since they don´t have enough either, than the entire thing colapses. This means Mitsugoshi goes down, but the Major Corporate Alliance goes down too. Is this it?
Nov 2, 2023 5:25 PM

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MC probably just wanted to use threads as weapon because it looked cool.
Nov 2, 2023 5:47 PM
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Dan_ALves said:
@StarZone1 Oh, wow, thanks very much. Never thought someone would actually try to give an explanation. Yeah, i think I get it now. Cid (or John Smith) and that fox lady are flooding the market with fake notes to make everyone loose faith in the currency and have them go the banks and withdraw all the gold. The banks don´t have enough for everybody, so they´ll colapse. The people will then turn to Shadow Garden, but since they don´t have enough either, than the entire thing colapses. This means Mitsugoshi goes down, but the Major Corporate Alliance goes down too. Is this it?

Exactly. Corporate Alliance goes down then as the domino's fall so does Mitsugoshi.

No problem man, happy to explain as I love this sort of thing. I could go on about this stuff for days so I'm just glad my explanation has helped you understand. Plus if you understand it more you'll probably enjoy the show a bit more. I think in the next episode they'll visualise the moving of the gold and stuff so that may have helped it click for you if I hadn't.

The below paragraph is just explaining the next step of the plan and then a below that I go into the real world a bit. So fell free to read it or not, I'm just glad I was able to help somewhat.

Now, what the Cult are planning to do (which is also what Cid is doing but Cid has acted first) is to trade out their notes for gold before the crash happens. That way they keep their assets safe as the bank no longer holds any of their gold.

This is basically how the real world works, except in the real world we have national banks who print the money instead. Also, when we have runs on the banks the State will usually step in and print more money to stop the collapses.
IRL we print more notes to get out of collapses because our money isn't linked ("pegged") to gold anymore like in this show. (UK since I think the 1920s and US in the 70s sometime) so we literally just print money and as long as our economies are stable or at least more stable than the rest of the world the currency keeps it's value.

We do still see bank runs however in the developing world, Venezuela had one I believe a few years back and Germany Post WWI had a horrific one, as just a couple of examples.

This is all basically what creates inflation. Inflation is essentially when more money is created than is backed by assets such as gold. As people no longer have faith that the £1 note is worth the 1 ounce of gold. They precieve that to get the 1 ounce of gold you will have to give more than just the £1 note.
Nov 2, 2023 7:53 PM

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Cid is playing his average 5D chess, and i wonder how that will end for everyone this time.

Oh, Alexia for sure knows something...maybe even that Cid is Shadow.
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Nov 2, 2023 8:32 PM

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Where getting into some extra season shenanigans now. We've moved beyond MC just being MC and deep diving into his shadows as they tackle the exotensional threat of the organisation. Was played very well this eps with transition in this world from actual product to created money. And nothing in between barring groups which decide its worth. A lot like when wall street street made food tradleable commmodited and people started talking bout futures for value of something which didnt even exist yet..
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Nov 2, 2023 9:30 PM

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Gamma wanting to get into the action, she's eager, but the rest of Shadow Garden isn't so convinced...

As expected, the Clovers come raiding Mitsugoshi, and Gamma is at the forefront of it all, with her OP-ness and clumsiness altogether that regardless of her efforts, she managed to take them down. And as Claire improves on her sword skills, Cid is just a tool for her improvement, that's all.

As the production of the counterfeit bills goes under way, John Smith is rather impressed of Yukime and her control to get them produced, all in her pursuit for Gettan. And as Mitsugoshi is aware of the issue at hand, so does Gettan who plasn to do the same, but that he has been beaten to the punch from the Cult trying to investigate all of Mitsugoshi's tradings as well. To be expected, some of Shadow Garden (including Rose) is thwarted by Cid acting as John Smith stopping them in their tracks.

John Smith vs. Mitsugoshi, who will encroach the best credit?

Nov 2, 2023 10:51 PM

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My boy Cid here is pulling the strings literally and figuratively.
Nov 2, 2023 11:00 PM
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Behold! Gamma the Weak in all her glory!
Nov 3, 2023 1:17 AM

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I will give 4/5 for this eps, because there is Alexia, seeing her made my eyes hurt, I couldn't enjoy the show because she appeared.
Luckily there was gamma too cure my day
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Nov 3, 2023 7:48 AM

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Oh so Gettan also plotted counterfeit money alongside Cid's (for different purpose ofc), great minds truly think alike
Nov 3, 2023 1:41 PM

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JOHN SMITH JOHN SMITH JOHN SMITH JOHN SMITH JOHN SMITH JOHN SMITH JOHN SMITH
heh
Nov 3, 2023 4:18 PM

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John Smith actually turned out to be the best possible disguise
Nov 3, 2023 6:06 PM
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Dan_ALves said:
@StarZone1 Oh, wow, thanks very much. Never thought someone would actually try to give an explanation. Yeah, i think I get it now. Cid (or John Smith) and that fox lady are flooding the market with fake notes to make everyone loose faith in the currency and have them go the banks and withdraw all the gold. The banks don´t have enough for everybody, so they´ll colapse. The people will then turn to Shadow Garden, but since they don´t have enough either, than the entire thing colapses. This means Mitsugoshi goes down, but the Major Corporate Alliance goes down too. Is this it?

Exactly. Corporate Alliance goes down then as the domino's fall so does Mitsugoshi.

No problem man, happy to explain as I love this sort of thing. I could go on about this stuff for days so I'm just glad my explanation has helped you understand. Plus if you understand it more you'll probably enjoy the show a bit more. I think in the next episode they'll visualise the moving of the gold and stuff so that may have helped it click for you if I hadn't.

The below paragraph is just explaining the next step of the plan and then a below that I go into the real world a bit. So fell free to read it or not, I'm just glad I was able to help somewhat.

Now, what the Cult are planning to do (which is also what Cid is doing but Cid has acted first) is to trade out their notes for gold before the crash happens. That way they keep their assets safe as the bank no longer holds any of their gold.

This is basically how the real world works, except in the real world we have national banks who print the money instead. Also, when we have runs on the banks the State will usually step in and print more money to stop the collapses.
IRL we print more notes to get out of collapses because our money isn't linked ("pegged") to gold anymore like in this show. (UK since I think the 1920s and US in the 70s sometime) so we literally just print money and as long as our economies are stable or at least more stable than the rest of the world the currency keeps it's value.

We do still see bank runs however in the developing world, Venezuela had one I believe a few years back and Germany Post WWI had a horrific one, as just a couple of examples.

This is all basically what creates inflation. Inflation is essentially when more money is created than is backed by assets such as gold. As people no longer have faith that the £1 note is worth the 1 ounce of gold. They precieve that to get the 1 ounce of gold you will have to give more than just the £1 note.
@StarZone1 Well, at least It seems I also gave someone the excuse to talk about something they enjoy. I guess it´s a win-win situation. Yeah, I figured the show would eventually explained in more detail what Cid´s plan was. Even when I don´t understand something in a show, I usually just let it roll and normally by the end of the show or season I understand pretty much what happened. That said, it does take a bit of the enjoyment out of it because I´m on a ride that I don´t fully understand.
In this case, I understood that Cid came up with something that would crash both the MCA and Mitsugoshi, I just didn´t understand how and all that lingo around the currency and markets.
Nov 4, 2023 5:25 AM

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I can see why Alpha was so concerned about Gamma. She really is way too clumsy and I love her for it.

Those girls didn't stand a chance against John Smith the secret agent!
Nov 4, 2023 6:06 AM
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ah I guess this is quite random but, I wanted to know if the manga of eminence in shadow have any type of nudity or nsfw scenes?


bc in going to purchase the first 3 volumes in sometime so I have to atleast know if there are any kind of scenes in manga that are nsfw to be on the safe side.πŸ˜‚
Nov 4, 2023 6:09 AM

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Damn, John Smith is dangerous man!
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Nov 4, 2023 12:27 PM
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inthelovedotorg said:
ah I guess this is quite random but, I wanted to know if the manga of eminence in shadow have any type of nudity or nsfw scenes?


bc in going to purchase the first 3 volumes in sometime so I have to atleast know if there are any kind of scenes in manga that are nsfw to be on the safe side.πŸ˜‚

Trying to recall and I don't think it has anything worse than what's in the show. Obviously fan service but it's just suggestive really, nothing on show that isn't in the anime.
Nov 4, 2023 1:56 PM
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Ty Kagura Bachi for always looking out for Cid
Nov 5, 2023 2:09 AM
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StarZone1 said:
inthelovedotorg said:
ah I guess this is quite random but, I wanted to know if the manga of eminence in shadow have any type of nudity or nsfw scenes?


bc in going to purchase the first 3 volumes in sometime so I have to atleast know if there are any kind of scenes in manga that are nsfw to be on the safe side.πŸ˜‚

Trying to recall and I don't think it has anything worse than what's in the show. Obviously fan service but it's just suggestive really, nothing on show that isn't in the anime.

oh okay thanks a lot, you are a life saver ✨
Nov 5, 2023 6:26 AM
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too much same scene on 1 episode, too overrated for 8 Star anime
Nov 5, 2023 8:33 AM
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Amazing anime amazing episode. I can expect nothing less from the eminence in shadow
Nov 6, 2023 12:48 PM
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only can tell is this is the real cine
Nov 6, 2023 7:02 PM

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lmao now he's even fighting his own organisation from the shadows
Nov 8, 2023 9:44 AM
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The false money is running!!!
Amazing John Smith!!
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Nov 8, 2023 10:03 AM
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you cannot make anything better then this
Nov 8, 2023 11:45 AM

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So glad it was John Smith in that train. When I saw them breaking in I was just thinking "Please let it be him so we can see some Shadow vs Shadow garden" lol. I would love to see Alpha vs John Smith.
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Nov 9, 2023 7:20 AM

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Gamma gets the job done cleanly if you disregard all of the destruction she causes due to her clumsiness and poor combat skills lol.
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WAAWWW JOHN SUMISU IS SUPER COOL MAN
Nov 10, 2023 4:58 PM
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In the previous episode, Delta was the spotlight from the Shadow Garden.
This episode it's Gamma. πŸ˜†πŸ‘ŒπŸ½
Both Delta and Gamma are adorable πŸ˜†πŸ˜˜πŸ₯΅πŸ˜πŸ˜πŸ˜˜πŸ₯°
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Both Delta and Gamma are so adorable πŸ₯΅πŸ˜πŸ˜˜πŸ₯°πŸ₯°
Nov 11, 2023 2:17 AM
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Its a master piece
Nov 13, 2023 2:13 AM
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Amazing Amazing And Wonderfull
Nov 13, 2023 9:19 PM
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I love Gamma.

Also the best princess makes her return.
Nov 14, 2023 11:12 PM
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ceritanya pengedaran uang palsu
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I enjoyed it. Good pacing but guessable plot.
Nov 18, 2023 6:53 AM
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great awesome perfect
Nov 21, 2023 11:35 PM

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Lmao John Smith just casually fighting his own army
Nov 22, 2023 4:49 AM

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Gamma's fight is just as ridiculous as it was in the manga lol.

Got an interesting interaction at the end with Cid fighting his own group, would be nice to see more.

Never ending plan to watch list...

Dec 6, 2023 8:34 PM
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it really sucked for the fencing dude
Dec 10, 2023 2:46 AM
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I'm not surprised the fake bills would end up having higher quality than the original ones xD
Dec 15, 2023 10:29 PM
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Cid is SO FUNNY disgusting himself as a person named John smith just to teach his girls a lesson about having a monopoly😭😭😭

And the Gamma bit was so funny she’s so clumsy man🀣
Dec 21, 2023 7:10 PM
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I really like it and it can make me heal the wounds it gives me
Dec 22, 2023 7:33 AM

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That swish swish swish is really cute tho
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ok its ok its fun nteresting
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oh gamma lol

alexia is sus in a way :D

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