86--EIGHTY-SIX (light novel)
| >bd saleshit >relevant in 2018+3 Casual_Watcher05 said: I am not sure with these sales figures A-1 can keep making more seasons.As highly rated as it is,we need numbers to keep going.I hope cour 2 can do that. ALL REVENUES GO TO ANIPLEX NOT A1 |
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| 86 Part 1 wasn't THAT popular so I was worried this might be the case. I really hope we'll see adaptations of the LN through to the end. 86 is a new anime that I'm genuinely interested in committing to. |
Casual_Watcher05 said: I'd like to offer my opinion as I too notice the lack of BD sales if you compare it to another series. There are several reasons I can think of:86 Cour 1 Bluray+DVD sales Vol 1-1754 Vol 2-1820 Vol 3-1829 What are these abysmal numbers even? Don't even tell me Bluray/DVD sales numbers don't matter anymore.It very much does.Specially since all the serieses with the same production budget as 86 sold tons of BD/DVD.Vivy Fluorite Eye's Song(vol 1-3800,vol 2-3800,vol 3-4000,vol 4-3700),Tokyo Revengers all 3 volumes 3100-3700 each,Odd Taxi ended up getting more than 6000 pre-orders for bluray. In terms of source materials the anime didn’t give the books almost no boost if at all.None of the volumes entered top 20 even unlike Tantei wa mou Shindeiru,which recieved a massive anime boost. Streaming numbers are nothing to brag about either. I am not sure with these sales figures A-1 can keep making more seasons.As highly rated as it is,we need numbers to keep going.I hope cour 2 can do that. 1. If you notice, the BD/DVD sales are actually increasing from v1 to v3. And please note this data is only for its opening week. 2. It's a non mainstream genre, and especially not a waifu-bait/escapism genre. Can't expect it to sell as well as others. 3. It's an adaptation, not original anime like Vivy/Dynazenon. 4. It has many options of merchs for people to buy, especially the kits. The light novel probably seems low in term of sales boost, however when ep8 was released in August, it was ranked 2nd monthly on Bookwalker and literally doesn't go down for a month. So in terms of e-book it's sellng well (Oricon doesn't count e-book sales) now let's just wait what they offer for shin figurine because almost everyone I talk to are waiting for it and idk why Aniplex hasn't release one until now. |
| Current favourite ships: - Chika x Satowa (Kono Oto Tomare) - Shin x Lena (86) - Vanitas x Jeanne (Vanitas no Carte) |
kataneer said: dude have you even watched/read the thing? It's far from a generic plot and there's like 0.001% fanservice, its very much an 8/10Absolutely deserved. Every time when I read something like "underrated gem", "serious war story", "not your typical waifushit", it make me laugh so much cause it is a typical waifushit with SAO level of writing (and without SAO level of animation). Glad to see that Japanese people understand this and doesn't support shows like this anymore. Maybe someday they'll end isekai era too SAO is just dogshit you can't compare this to SAO in any way lmao |
CreepHazardOct 8, 2021 9:08 PM
| From what I heard and know myself, BD sales aren't even a strong indicator for possible sequels as they used to be. The problem is that due to how contracts are usually written up, BD sales are more indicative of whether or not the studio is making money off of it, and even then it's usually a fraction of the revenue from total sales. If the production committees make money, that's what drives things forward on projects beyond any contractual agreements. I'd suspect 86 having a full season, later split into two cours, was already in the plans long before the official announcement. I don't see how s2 isn't at least feasible, especially with LN sales still doing extremely well and Asato herself in particular being significantly involved in the adaptation's production. Tantei getting a s2, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be a viable possibility considering how the adaptation's production flopped horribly. |
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CreepHazard said: kataneer said: dude have you even watched/read the thing? It's far from a generic plot and there's like 0.001% fanservice, its very much an 8/10Absolutely deserved. Every time when I read something like "underrated gem", "serious war story", "not your typical waifushit", it make me laugh so much cause it is a typical waifushit with SAO level of writing (and without SAO level of animation). Glad to see that Japanese people understand this and doesn't support shows like this anymore. Maybe someday they'll end isekai era too SAO is just dogshit you can't compare this to SAO in any way lmao Watched 7 eps and read 1st volume. you can't compare this to SAO in any way lmao Illogical world, edgy nazi-like villains, tons of plot holes, kawaii 16-years old waifubait and cool edgy black-haired boy, A-1 Pictures, ln source. Why can't I? At least SAO has some cute waifus and nice action scenes (especially in phantom bullet arc). 86 has only cgi mechas and Vladilena, a degenerate girl that made me wanna kill myself every time she opens her mouth to say another stupid shit. |
kataneer said: A wild good-plot hater has appearedCreepHazard said: dude have you even watched/read the thing? It's far from a generic plot and there's like 0.001% fanservice, its very much an 8/10 SAO is just dogshit you can't compare this to SAO in any way lmao Watched 7 eps and read 1st volume. you can't compare this to SAO in any way lmao Illogical world, edgy nazi-like villains, tons of plot holes, kawaii 16-years old waifubait and cool edgy black-haired boy, A-1 Pictures, ln source. Why can't I? At least SAO has some cute waifus and nice action scenes (especially in phantom bullet arc). 86 has only cgi mechas and Vladilena, a degenerate girl that made me wanna kill myself every time she opens her mouth to say another stupid shit. Tell me this, did SAO even have a decent story? Like I'm not sure if the author really had an ending where all elements mattered, it was like fillers upto the final episode, and then something happens there which defines the plot. Usually (always) that plot is bullshit. Also Lena is probably cuter than the SAO waifus. Yes 15 year old bland af MC going around busting bad guys in video games, I see that every day so much logic wow! And I didn't know you could predict the logic 120 years into the future that's pretty cool! |
CreepHazardOct 9, 2021 2:10 AM
JanPri said: So basically whenever the protagonist is a young girl it makes her "waifubait" and the show is automatically a shit? I'm just curious. No, I have nothing against any kind of protagonist if it fits the story. I wouldn't even start to watch anime medium if I had something against teenage girls lmao @CreepHazard I've never said that SAO has a decent story (the only thing that I liked from this show is phantom bullet arc). It's just a simple and well-drawn action anime about OP Gary Stu and his harem. But at least SAO doesn't try to imitate serious war drama and it wasn't proclaimed as "epic realistic mature serious masterpiece 10/10" by its fans (in s1-2, I dropped Alicization and don't know about its plot). I'm not even sure if SAO has any cause it seems like everyone hate this show |
kataneerOct 9, 2021 3:00 AM
kataneer said: good to knowJanPri said: So basically whenever the protagonist is a young girl it makes her "waifubait" and the show is automatically a shit? I'm just curious. No, I have nothing against any kind of protagonist if it fits the story. I wouldn't even start to watch anime medium if I had something against teenage girls lmao @CreepHazard I've never said that SAO has a decent story (the only thing that I liked from this show is phantom bullet arc). It's just a simple and well-drawn action anime about OP Gary Stu and his harem. But at least SAO doesn't try to imitate serious war drama and it wasn't proclaimed as "epic realistic mature serious masterpiece 10/10" by its fans (in s1-2, I dropped Alicization and don't know about its plot). I'm not even sure if SAO has any cause it seems like everyone hate this show Now accept it 86 is good for what it is |
Casual_Watcher05 said: haha well anime communities are generally shit so I guess it's what to be expectedCreepHazard said: A wild good-plot hater has appeared Tell me this, did SAO even have a decent story? Like I'm not sure if the author really had an ending where all elements mattered, it was like fillers upto the final episode, and then something happens there which defines the plot. Usually (always) that plot is bullshit. Also Lena is probably cuter than the SAO waifus. Yes 15 year old bland af MC going around busting bad guys in video games, I see that every day so much logic wow! And I didn't know you could predict the logic 120 years into the future that's pretty cool! This is the first time you have been hearing about this "86" being a SAO copy accusations huh?As an 86 fan I am used to this lmao. The main target is always Shin.He is infamous for being a "Kirito Clone" and an "OP gary stu" and "the writer's edgy bland self-insert" "LN stock hero"(Even some cringey Lena fans,I wouldn't even call them 86 fans atp,like to discredit Shin a lot)Lena faced less criticism simply because she isn't part of the 86(opressed colorata folks)and she has an interesting design(aka waifu potential)But hey this guy is criticizing them both at least. Since day 1 86 has been panned by some people here a bunch of coloured people from different ethnic minorities or descendants of immigrants are being discriminated against by white people with silver eyes and silver hair.So you can see why it would be hard to digest for some people.I have heard takes like "this show is spreading hate towards white people only when all colours can commit acts of racism." "This show tries to potray ethnic minorities as heroes and white people as villains,therefore anti-American propaganda " I am no longer surprised by these. Even though people totally ignore this anime they are still excited to criticize it :( I could day that's true for almost all anime guess I shouldn't have been surprised |
UserAnonymous117 said: you're a shut in that never gets some fresh air in his life. Child, you insulted a person twice who didn't even talk to you just because I don't like your favorite Chinese cartoon. If someone here needs fresh air in life, that it's only you. Ok, 86 is good as a SAO-level light novel. Not perfect, but good. Are you satisfied now? |
kataneer said: yes lol. I mean SAO did have good animation and character design but unfortunately was limited to that muchUserAnonymous117 said: you're a shut in that never gets some fresh air in his life. Child, you insulted a person twice who didn't even talk to you just because I don't like your favorite Chinese cartoon. If someone here needs fresh air in life, that it's only you. Ok, 86 is good as a SAO-level light novel. Not perfect, but good. Are you satisfied now? |
| Probably because of how 86 is just really mid. I mean, if anime original Odd Taxi can do better, that is saying something. Pretty sure 86 was hyped too? Something must have been wrong on its side |
Dont know what you are on about here . A popular LN with a prestablished fanbase not being hyped ? Must have been looking at the wrong places , beacuse 86 was trending a lot when the 1st trailer came out , Along with the popularity of hiroyuki and A1 pictures . the first PV of the anime gained a lot of views , and fans were really overhyping the shit out of it . Just because gigguk made a video about it doesnt mean its the one being hyped . On the topic , LN adaptations dont tend to have the most number of sales in bd . i bet it would go even lower from here . the numbers you see arent that bad either . But it is hilarious to see how underhwelming it is for the hardcore fans . My days , the things they were saying . "A1's Golden boy" "Next aniplex cash cow" "Asato gonna be rolling in money " . So much for that . |
UTMAN said: So in other words you have nothing. So basically an independent youtuber who is one of the biggest anime content creator on youtube makes a video about it, calls it the seson's best anime and you shrug it off, and you "oH a HarDcoRe fAn sAid tHiS" . Ofc the hardcore fans are going to say stuff about it. Guess what OddTaaxi fans were hyping their own anime too. Like "Best written characters" "Hidden gem of 2021" etc etc. Under every single weekly karma post there were OddTaxi fans boasting about their weekly episode being top1 rated. Also it did aa reallllllyyy good climb. Because of Gigguk and other independent content creatorts stood behind it and started hyping it. Also I'm not saying it's a bad thing nor OddTaxi didn't deserve it. 86 was only big at one place. at reddit. That's it. And I'm going to admit it that it was huge there but everywhere else? Not so much. EDIT: FYI Also Asato is rolling in money. As addie pointed out, she sold as much LN volume in the past year as she sold in the first 4. Lol So you are telling me that an anime adaptation of a very popular source material had less hype than an anime that barely had a pv going for it beforehand ? It seems to me that you dont understand the meaning of "hype". hype is primarily the estimation gauge given by people with prior expectations and knowledge to the people without any . in other words it is basically just the number of "how many people has this show got screaming about ?" 86 had a lot of people talking about beforehand , beacuse of course there were people familiar with it . What did odd taxi have ? Gigguk made about a video about it after 25+ days after the series had ended . that isnt him hyping it , But rather rating it . And you say him talking about it raised eyes to by a lot ? Not even close . just look at the number of people that were talking about it before he made a video and after , you can barely call that high . a few thousand people only started watching it , nothing more . at that point in time the series was already popular enough . If you want numbers , just compare the PVs' views both on twitter and youtube . odd taxi's pvs all combined barely equals to 86 1st pv alone . i can only speak for mal , twitter and youtube since these are the only platforms i use . compare the number of users speaking off odd taxi and 86 . compare the number of twitter impressions . compare the number of threads that has been created . weekly stats accounts were all being dominated by 86 over odd taxi. Maybe now more people may hype odd taxi higher than 86 . but that isnt "hyping" it , but rather "rating" it higher . And the reason for that is simple ; more people liked it more than 86 . just as simple as that . And yes asato must be rolling in money . But is the money she is rolling in as dense as the fans stated it might be ? Not even close . |
TweedleDaneOct 9, 2021 9:12 AM
Casual_Watcher05 said: I am pretty new to the 86 fandom.But I have never heard someone say this is going to be Aniplex's next cash cow or Asato will be rolling in money. Sorry bud , but i think you already answered your statement . it must be because you were new to the fandom that you werent able to see such claims . But i can assure you they were there . I didnt even care about this anime , wasnt even following anything related to it . And i would still get tweets and trends recommended from em with thousands of likes & retweets . Idk if you have noticed this.86 fanbase is really,really niche.Compared to other light novel fanbases 86 fanbase is a baby.They were probably hyped to see their favourite LN get animated compared to the big boys of the medium such as rezero , mushoku , sao maybe . but that isnt a fair comparison . you have to look at in its mean rate . 86 was a highly popular work in comparison to the rate popularity for the average LNs . It had high praises and ratings , and was also being recommended by other authors as far as i know . Not many LN get big enough that it cummulates a western audience . But 86 did . .One look at 86's subject matter and anyone can predict it's not going to be massively popular among japanese mainstream otaku crowd.(And a lot of western audience don't want to be lectured about racism from japan of all places) Not exactly true . noone can predict what is going to popular to whom , but for 86's case the hallmarks were there . the LN was already well recieved and have won awards , an adaptation from a studio with a decent enough track record and an exceptional staff . and i dont know what you mean by "And a lot of western audience don't want to be lectured about racism from japan of all places". seems like a very hollow thing to say as there are many racism themed products from japan that are popular with the western audience . over hyping means it didn't rise up to the hype.It did. for certain amount of people , yes . for the fan , yes . so then what would explain the indifference of opinion from the non-LN readers , or the disinterest? if you can explain any other reason as to why not many people are discussing it on the higher praise levels like the fans are , that would help . i cant help but htink it is no other reason than that it didnt hit the expectations the fans hyped it to have .if it as you say a 9/10 adaptation , and the numbers still arent as expected , then surely the fault lies with what it has "adapted" ? And no.86 had next to no hype going on.Being r/anime's favourite anime or anime trendings favourite sci fi mean nothing. i have already answered this above to someone else . And yes 86 absolutely had hype going into this . No big youtuber reviewed 86.In fact several said it's not even on their list when World's End harem was lmao.A lot of anitubers reviewed Vivy and Odd Taxi.When people with several million followers make videos calling these animes AOTS,it sure makes a difference.Japanese youtubers haven’t done anything either. Youtubers are only going to review things that interested them this season . they are only going to make things that they want to talk about . (monetory reasosn are a differeent matter , but lets not forget youtubers too are anime fans ) From the few clutter of 'big" youtubers , you are right , notmany talked about it with a different video . but there are other anitbers that constaly releases reviews of 86 on youtube . just search for it and you will find a lot of them . No big youtuber reviewed 86.In fact several said it's not even on their list when World's End harem was lmao. i think you need to look again . Anituber like MB mentioned 86 as the first thing to watch for the season , and his video is the most viewed of them all . |
UserAnonymous117 said: I don't see anyone hyped that series that much as you think they are. If anything, you've just listen only to one side and closed your ear on another. LN readers of 86 is just like Utman or CasualWatcher said, a very niche fandom. you just think that because coincidentally, you have a same feelings towards the series as them. what exactly are you talking about here ? "listen to one side and close my ears to others"? what sides? if you are talking about me only listening to 86 praise songs while turning a blind eye to the other you couldnt be more wrong . i didnt care about this anime , but even then i was already getting bombarded by the fans with their propoganda . i have already answered the same thing above ..... And same feeling towards it ? what , the feeling of indifference and expecting a lot more ? if so then yes i am the same as "them". Also don't use trailer vids as proof since OddTaxi is original 12 eps anime that no one knows what it can give while the fandom just "hyping" it (on your words) because it has a group of readers that already have read the series. Just by the achievements done by the series, people curious to watch this series since it shouts "quality", who doesn't want to watch that. Er... what ? i used the trailer to show the difference in hype there was , and you just proved the point even more with your latter sentence. |
| It's just not that good of a series. Why are you surprised? |
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