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| Ferdinand speech about ranks was intense, he is fair but ruthless when the situation calls for it, don't mess around with him. No wonder he ask for much of Myne he has high expectations about her. I don't like the background music they have been using in the past few episodes, reminds me of https://youtu.be/hoP-kUlbmn0?t=268 |
KanameYuukiJun 14, 2020 3:01 PM
| Anyone know which chapter of the novel this episode adapted? |
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| This anime is so good, it keept me interested thorought all these 25 episodes. Hopefully the noblety will start to give Main the respect she deserves. Any character: *Does something bad to Main* The entire fandom: So you have choosen, death |
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Armins2 said: Anyone know which chapter of the novel this episode adapted? Chapters "Trombe extermination", and "Rescue and reprimand", almost at the end of part 2, volume 2. oh, i see. Thanks for answering!!! |
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AlexNG said: ghtyujkkpkohkjb said: Of course, I might be wrong. I HOPE I'm wrong, but for now this is what it looks like. If it takes... only 16 books to cause consequences, I'd say the writer ran out of ideas and brought that out. Actually, it has almost immediate consequences - as punishment for not doing enough to stop the asshole, Damuel What about the jerk that actually wanted to kill her? does he not get any punishment at all, cause it sucks all he gets is a scolding. |
| That guy got what he deserved. |
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ghtyujkkpkohkjb said: Zefyris said: Yep, it just had story elements that still causes consequences 16 books later, that's about how skippable and meaningless it was. Of course, I might be wrong. I HOPE I'm wrong, but for now this is what it looks like. If it takes... only 16 books to cause consequences, I'd say the writer ran out of ideas and brought that out. Your opinions are welcome but at least tell us what you're thinking. Why did you think the episode was meaningless? |
| That was so damn tense, it was really hard to hold back the tears when the truth came out and that asshole greenhair couldn't use his "rank" to get away with that shit. And Ferdinand 100% validated why he's my favorite character with this episode. Seriously though how prolific are those trombe seeds? |
Bestsymuri said: Fun fact: Shicicoza's name is actually a pun. From "zako kishi", meaning "Trash Knight" Honzuki is very deep and detailes in its worldbuilding. But for things that don't matter like this guy, the author makes them a joke Thanks for the explanation. Was I the only one wondering where they got that weird name from? |
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penrhos said: Sometimes its a curse having read the source material. there were points in the last couple of episodes where I was thinking "WTF are they doing" have they read it or just flicked through it making rough notes. There was so much background detail left out of ep 10 & 11 that the protagonists don't make sense and the significance of actions are lost.. Shicicoza & Damuel dynamic is completely understated - Shicicoza is several noble ranks above Damuel and could have him demoted or executed if he wanted. I think you're quite a bit confused here so not sure how you can reproach the studio to be imprecise after posting something like that. mid ranked noble are technically one rank above low ranked nobles, not several. Karstedt is old enough to have a child as old as Ferdinand. I don't think I need to point out after that that you're remembering the relationship between Ferdinand and Karstedt wrong. |
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Close call... our barn burned down last night... lots of animals gone... |
daedalron said: Zefyris said: mid ranked noble are technically one rank above low ranked nobles, not several. Karstedt is old enough to have a child as old as Ferdinand. I don't think I need to point out after that that you're remembering the relationship between Ferdinand and Karstedt wrong. I agree with you about your remark on Ferdinand and Karstedt. But about penrhos saying Shikikoza is several ranks above Damuel, well, sure, there is only one title between the two (laynoble < midnoble). But there are also levels inside one category. And Damuel is clearly at the very bottom of the ladder, even among laynobles. It's not like there's just one little step between the two families. There's a huge gap in authority and influence between Shikikoza and Damuel's families. There's no such things as level here. The closest of that would be two nobles of same rank but of different regions (in which case there is indeed a difference), but in this case everyone involved is from the same region, Ellenfest. So 1 rank difference and that's it. But it's more than enough in that world. |
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| I liked the novel version a bit more |
| In 2 days I saw the two seasons, this anime is very good, I'm already sad because there is only one more episode left. |
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| This episode showed a miserable and vexing development and it reminds me of Princess Sara, but the latter was more cruel through the entire show. |
| Ferdinand: I don't fight battles I can't win. In my head:...and I F*&^ing win!!! |
| That was one of the most satisfying scenes. He ripped them all a new one GOD! |
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ghtyujkkpkohkjb said: The episode itself is totally meaningless and if you miss it somehow there won't be any misunderstaning in the future. Having read the LN this arc is pretty important for Myne's future, and contains several important details about the world that we don't already know. It introduces a character who is recently #3 in the official popularity ranking for the LNs. Someone else said it impacts the story 16 volumes later, but seriously the story changes direction literally next volume because of it. Myne would have a completely different future if this arc didn't happen. That said I feel like they could have done a much better job of the direction of the episode. |
PlateJun 23, 2020 10:55 AM
| The green haired knight is too hateful. He not only killed himseif, but also implicated his colleagues and the officer. In contrast, as a member of the nobility, it was precious that Damuel treated Myne equally, perhaps it is because he was born into the lower nobility. Fortunately, Ferdinand is the highest ranking among the people present. This episode also shows the serious class system, and we can clearly see the class division among nobles. I hope Myne can learn to enhance her prestige as soon as possible. Only when she has the strength can she really be looked up to. |
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| I hate all these nobles so much. |
kevin_video said: I'm really relieved that bothered someone else as well, it cut away from the tension too much for my liking.I have to agree. At the very least, I question the musical score. While worried about Main's safety, the chosen OST was something that purposely tried to calm that fear. The scene and the music just didn't fit one another. EDIT: Anyway, Schicicoza for Worst Boy 2020 |
minniemoonJul 5, 2020 3:46 PM
| Those damn guards had only one job! ONE JOB! and they messed up, damn those incompetent nobles... I hope Damuel doesn't get the same punishment as that bastard Schicicoza who caused that mess |
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| Theres a lot of times that I think "Huh, Mein and the high priest look a lot like father and daughter" lol. Both have yellow eyes too. Looks like we probably wont get another overpowered Mein scene. I quite like that High Priest. Pretty decent guy. |
| Yuritopia FTW!!!!!!!!! BANZAI TO YURI !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Well, another noble arrogant human.. Well, at least Ferdinand remembers his own orders he gives.. ;P |
| I know this show is only about reading a books, but it feels weird she didn't use her rainbow eyes anymore (and start culling the nobles while at it lol). |
andrearionaApr 24, 2021 1:26 PM
iReyzu said: I know this show is only about reading a books, but it feels weird she didn't use her rainbow eyes anymore (and start culling the nobles while at it lol). due partially to crunchyroll's ackward translation choice, anime watchers have misunderstood how useful/powerful this is. This is weak against anyone that has proper noble education. any knight in particular could snap her neck if she dared to do that before it can have any effect. On top of this, this is something that inproperly educated children do. that alone is bad news for Myne, as this would convince everyone that she doesn't have the necessary education to stand near nobles and should be looked down. Ferdinand is trying to have others see her in a good light, showing lack of education and self control would literally sink all of his efforts to protect her. self control is core to the noble society. showing glaring lack of self control is like killing yourself socially, there is no recovery. |
ZefyrisApr 24, 2021 3:21 PM
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Zefyris said: due partially to crunchyroll's ackward translation choice, anime watchers have misunderstood how useful/powerful this is. This is weak against anyone that has proper noble education. any knight in particular could snap her neck if she dared to do that before it can have any effect. On top of this, this is something that inproperly educated children do. that alone is bad news for Myne, as this would convince everyone that she doesn't have the necessary education to stand near nobles and should be looked down. Ferdinand is trying to have others see her in a good light, showing lack of education and self control would literally sink all of his efforts to protect her. self control is core to the noble society. showing glaring lack of self control is like killing yourself socially, there is no recovery. You're correct, otherwise this'll be another average isekai with child one-shot everything with pretext of abundant magic. |
| This episode caused me Sword Art Online levels of frustration, anger and feelings of powerlessness, how pathetic do you have to be to torment a child just to make yourself feel better about your sorry excuse of a life, like, damn dude, you're a noble and that's how you use your status. People that threaten, hurt and torment children just to make themselves feel powerful deserve nothing short of death. |
TaselMay 26, 2021 8:36 PM
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Tasel said: This episode caused me Sword Art Online levels of frustration, anger and feelings of powerlessness, how pathetic do you have to be to torment a child just to make yourself feel better about your sorry excuse of a life, like, damn dude, you're a noble and that's how you use your status. People that threaten, hurt and torment children just to make themselves feel powerful deserve nothing short of death. That guy is a former blue priest that was rehabilitated in the noble society a few years ago because of the general lack of mana after the purge. He's a orignially failed noble, as in, he didn't have what is required to be recognised as a noble by the noble society despite having noble blood;which is also the case of everyone else in the church baring Ferdinand. These peoples are usually very bitter about it, and very petty about the little power and authority they have left exactly due to that : because they were rejected, so now the only ones they can still get some respect from are the commoners. Noble in this story requires more than birthrate to be recognised as noble by their society. Those who failed to do so usually gets rejected by their family and are taken in as blue priests in the church. That guy was basically that his whole life so it's useless to expect him to get the proper noble attitude after that; he's drunk on the fact that he was rehabilitated; even though it's not because he meets the real standard, but because the mana draught is just so terrible that even some failures like him were invited back. |
ZefyrisMay 27, 2021 3:35 AM
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Zefyris said: Tasel said: This episode caused me Sword Art Online levels of frustration, anger and feelings of powerlessness, how pathetic do you have to be to torment a child just to make yourself feel better about your sorry excuse of a life, like, damn dude, you're a noble and that's how you use your status. People that threaten, hurt and torment children just to make themselves feel powerful deserve nothing short of death. That guy is a former blue priest that was rehabilitated in the noble society a few years ago because of the general lack of mana after the purge. He's a orignially failed noble, as in, he didn't have what is required to be recognised as a noble by the noble society despite having noble blood;which is also the case of everyone else in the church baring Ferdinand. These peoples are usually very bitter about it, and very petty about the little power and authority they have left exactly due to that : because they were rejected, so now the only ones they can still get some respect from are the commoners. Noble in this story requires more than birthrate to be recognised as noble by their society. Those who failed to do so usually gets rejected by their family and are taken in as blue priests in the church. That guy was basically that his whole life so it's useless to expect him to get the proper noble attitude after that; he's drunk on the fact that he was rehabilitated; even though it's not because he meets the real standard, but because the mana draught is just so terrible that even some failures like him were invited back. That sounds lovely, if a failed noble can humiliate Myne like that, I don't want to imagine what the real nobles will put her through. |
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Tasel said: Zefyris said: That guy is a former blue priest that was rehabilitated in the noble society a few years ago because of the general lack of mana after the purge. He's a orignially failed noble, as in, he didn't have what is required to be recognised as a noble by the noble society despite having noble blood;which is also the case of everyone else in the church baring Ferdinand. These peoples are usually very bitter about it, and very petty about the little power and authority they have left exactly due to that : because they were rejected, so now the only ones they can still get some respect from are the commoners. Noble in this story requires more than birthrate to be recognised as noble by their society. Those who failed to do so usually gets rejected by their family and are taken in as blue priests in the church. That guy was basically that his whole life so it's useless to expect him to get the proper noble attitude after that; he's drunk on the fact that he was rehabilitated; even though it's not because he meets the real standard, but because the mana draught is just so terrible that even some failures like him were invited back. That sounds lovely, if a failed noble can humiliate Myne like that, I don't want to imagine what the real nobles will put her through. the contrary. They're that kind of douchebag towards what's below them because they were deemed as failure by what is above and that they were supposed to belong to. They cling to the little authority that was left to them. Their own families rejected them when they were young. you can't really expect that kind of profile to give lovely human beings when they reach adulthood. That's why so many blue priests aren't very recommendable peoples. Real nobles aren't like that. Ferdinand, Karlsted, and Damuel that you've all already seen are real ones (Damuel being still a very young adult at this point). Karlsted being probably the closest of the general idea of a noble. |
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Zefyris said: Tasel said: That sounds lovely, if a failed noble can humiliate Myne like that, I don't want to imagine what the real nobles will put her through. the contrary. They're that kind of douchebag towards what's below them because they were deemed as failure by what is above and that they were supposed to belong to. They cling to the little authority that was left to them. Their own families rejected them when they were young. you can't really expect that kind of profile to give lovely human beings when they reach adulthood. That's why so many blue priests aren't very recommendable peoples. Real nobles aren't like that. Ferdinand, Karlsted, and Damuel that you've all already seen are real ones (Damuel being still a very young adult at this point). Karlsted being probably the closest of the general idea of a noble. I hope that's true, because I can't take any more than that, I was this close to punching my monitor, I had to scream to get my emotions under control watching that scene. |
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| What the F...?! compared to everything cruel we have seen so far in this anime, this was quite an escalation of 200%. It was just terrible what the knight did to her, insults are one thing considering how Myne got her position, but he got violent against a small kid, what is wrong there? They were on a mission where Myne had an important part and his only idea is to harm her mentally and physically. Fortunately he didn't try to rape her, would have been no surprise with so much abusive hate. The consequences were a total joke, I demanded an execution for the green knight! Ferdinand should make Myne's position more clear among his church buddies, they can't always humiliate Myne because she is no noble, her blue robe should mean something to everyone. |
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| This was the lowest we could've seen from any nobility in this series, putting a seven year old kid through these kind of things. Hope he gets some hefty and cruel consequences, not just green haired but her the other one too. For real never expected things to get this worse and intensified in this series. |
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