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Jun 15, 2019 7:23 AM
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So long Reo and Mabo
Jun 15, 2019 9:00 PM

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The revelation I was hoping for ! *u* (the scam around Mabu)

But... the rest was simply paartly fun and fully expected

4/5


Is it the same japanese word for the "dishes" and "Sara"?
@CodeBlazeFate If you're watching this in japanese, I would like to know
Rei_IIIJun 20, 2019 3:20 AM
Jun 16, 2019 11:34 PM

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Would it be an Ikuhara show if every episode didn't reduce me to a weeping wreck?

RIP Mabu and Reo. I will never forget you two ;A;

This show is what YKA dreamed of being. How fucking spectacular.
Jun 17, 2019 6:46 PM

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The unravelled events are perfect for the final b0ss!
Miyano Mamoru singing the song was glorious!
5/5.
EPIC SCENE: Despair: Unleash. ~ Zetsubou Kaihou!


Jun 18, 2019 3:15 PM

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honestly, i prefered Enta to die:/
Jun 19, 2019 6:22 AM

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I wish this show had like two more episodes—even one more would be good, actually—so that the events of this episode and the last wouldn't feel so, y'know, rushed
still, like a 4/5 episode. would be a complete 5/5 if things could've slowed down a bit.
Jun 19, 2019 8:56 PM
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Kimurah said:
As expected, pure sentimental manipulation. Ikuhara did it with the last episode making a cold blooded ex-mobster a saint redeemed by his sacrifice in the end. And now it plays a sad tune again to put the two cop serial killers with no remorse in a good light. Toi threatening at gun point on Enta & Kazuki is stupidly pointless, he already knew what was the right answer all the time. It served only as padding for the already expected outcome on the hope dishes in the aftercredit scene.

God job Ikuhara <slow sarcastic clapping.gif>


Oh, I'm not alone here.
Jun 20, 2019 4:22 AM
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Bripara said:
Kimurah said:
As expected, pure sentimental manipulation. Ikuhara did it with the last episode making a cold blooded ex-mobster a saint redeemed by his sacrifice in the end. And now it plays a sad tune again to put the two cop serial killers with no remorse in a good light. Toi threatening at gun point on Enta & Kazuki is stupidly pointless, he already knew what was the right answer all the time. It served only as padding for the already expected outcome on the hope dishes in the aftercredit scene.

God job Ikuhara <slow sarcastic clapping.gif>


Oh, I'm not alone here.


You're allowed to depict a character as grey, and it's not like the "showing their good sides" came out of nowhere. We saw Chikai genuinely caring about Toi in ep 2&4, and we see the cops as a domestic couple in the manga and twitter. I do agree though the cops' story would be emotionally lacking if you weren't familiar with portrayal of gay people in pop culture or didn't follow their twitter or read the manga or the novel. I think it's framed more as tragic - they're all victims of a system of institutional injustice that they also helped uphold.
Jun 20, 2019 9:48 AM
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Tsukizono said:
Bripara said:


Oh, I'm not alone here.


You're allowed to depict a character as grey, and it's not like the "showing their good sides" came out of nowhere. We saw Chikai genuinely caring about Toi in ep 2&4, and we see the cops as a domestic couple in the manga and twitter . I do agree though the cops' story would be emotionally lacking if you weren't familiar with portrayal of gay people in pop culture or didn't follow their twitter or read the manga or the novel . I think it's framed more as tragic - they're all victims of a system of institutional injustice that they also helped uphold.


Shouldn't the anime speak for itself?
Jun 20, 2019 10:07 AM

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Rei366 said:
The revelation I was hoping for ! *u* (the scam around Mabu)

But... the rest was simply paartly fun and fully expected

4/5


Is it the same japanese word for the "dishes" and "Sara"?
@CodeBlazeFate If you're watching this in japanese, I would like to know
I dunno. I don't think so, but mebbe I just didn't pay attention to that aspect.
Jun 20, 2019 10:49 AM

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Bripara said:


Shouldn't the anime speak for itself?


That is not a completely out-of-the-world concept. What would be the point of guidebook/novel/manga/any kind of OVA/spin-off then if the main anime could cover everything? I did find the use of ReoMabu twitter was really unique on its own.

The upcoming novel volume is expected to tie some more loose ends about ReoMabu anyways.
Jun 20, 2019 2:45 PM

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Tsukizono said:
Bripara said:


Oh, I'm not alone here.


You're allowed to depict a character as grey, and it's not like the "showing their good sides" came out of nowhere. We saw Chikai genuinely caring about Toi in ep 2&4, and we see the cops as a domestic couple in the manga and twitter. I do agree though the cops' story would be emotionally lacking if you weren't familiar with portrayal of gay people in pop culture or didn't follow their twitter or read the manga or the novel. I think it's framed more as tragic - they're all victims of a system of institutional injustice that they also helped uphold.


Except that neither of the three are grey at all, they are clearly black with their own selfish intentions.

Chikai choose the mafia life for himself, not because he was doing Toi a favor. They could have left town long ago and start a new life clean somewhere else with a different name to get rid of any following mobsters. Ikuhara plants the whole attachement between Toi & Chikai as an excuse to move the story forward, but certainly it could have been writen and developed in a better way if he actually wanted to depict a morally grey character.

Reo is probably the easiest to tell appart. He feels absolutely no remorse or empathy towards anything but Mabu, and even his selfish persona isn't even satisfied with the current state of Mabu, so it's everything goes on for him and fuck everything, all it matters is what I want.

Mabu could probably be the closets to a morally grey character since it feels like he's just dragged by Reo's killing spree. But still, even with his handicap placed by the otters' he could have had a "voice" when it came down to killing the victims for the Kappa Zombies, rather than just being an accesory for murder.

Neither of the three would get a slap on the wrist as compensation/sentence if judged by a fair group of "adult" jury that has a very grounded concept of living in society and no matter how hard it is to coexist in it, life is precious. And in no way neither of them were victims of any kind of system, they all chose their own path.
Jun 20, 2019 3:48 PM
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This episode was insane good!!! It was an emotional rollercoaster. I don't even know who to emphathise most towards.
Jun 23, 2019 3:54 AM
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Kimurah said:
Tsukizono said:


You're allowed to depict a character as grey, and it's not like the "showing their good sides" came out of nowhere. We saw Chikai genuinely caring about Toi in ep 2&4, and we see the cops as a domestic couple in the manga and twitter. I do agree though the cops' story would be emotionally lacking if you weren't familiar with portrayal of gay people in pop culture or didn't follow their twitter or read the manga or the novel. I think it's framed more as tragic - they're all victims of a system of institutional injustice that they also helped uphold.


Except that neither of the three are grey at all, they are clearly black with their own selfish intentions.

Chikai choose the mafia life for himself, not because he was doing Toi a favor. They could have left town long ago and start a new life clean somewhere else with a different name to get rid of any following mobsters. Ikuhara plants the whole attachement between Toi & Chikai as an excuse to move the story forward, but certainly it could have been writen and developed in a better way if he actually wanted to depict a morally grey character.

Reo is probably the easiest to tell appart. He feels absolutely no remorse or empathy towards anything but Mabu, and even his selfish persona isn't even satisfied with the current state of Mabu, so it's everything goes on for him and fuck everything, all it matters is what I want.

Mabu could probably be the closets to a morally grey character since it feels like he's just dragged by Reo's killing spree. But still, even with his handicap placed by the otters' he could have had a "voice" when it came down to killing the victims for the Kappa Zombies, rather than just being an accesory for murder.

Neither of the three would get a slap on the wrist as compensation/sentence if judged by a fair group of "adult" jury that has a very grounded concept of living in society and no matter how hard it is to coexist in it, life is precious. And in no way neither of them were victims of any kind of system, they all chose their own path.


I dont comment on mal so idk how to properly adress part of the texts without quoting everyone but alas, I wanna refer to the last sentence. How did Reomabu choose their own path? The otter took them and manipulated them. Even Keppi says this. "Mabu had been fitted with a mechanical heart. To make it work he needs your help." They are basically being forced to perform all this so Mabu wouldn't die. Its pretty obvious Reo simply loses it so is it that shocking he doesnt care about anything anymore lol "even his selfish persona isn't even satisfied with the current state of Mabu" he was led to believe Mabu hates him and cheats on him with the otter, kinda understandable he wasnt satsified lol Honestly you dont really need the manga or twitter to understand it.

And like I wanna say that technically you could say all the characters are killing people for their own selfish reasons. So are they all black? Because reomabu might be killing people but its the kappa trio that erases them from the existence.

And aside from that Toi deadass kills a bunch of people in ep 9 just bc he wants to be with his bro? And Enta fucked up because of his jealousy? Kazuki made everyone miserable to satisfy his guilt? They all clearly have selfish intentions.
Jun 23, 2019 5:58 AM

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Mika-taicho said:

I dont comment on mal so idk how to properly adress part of the texts without quoting everyone but alas, I wanna refer to the last sentence. How did Reomabu choose their own path? The otter took them and manipulated them. Even Keppi says this. "Mabu had been fitted with a mechanical heart. To make it work he needs your help." They are basically being forced to perform all this so Mabu wouldn't die. Its pretty obvious Reo simply loses it so is it that shocking he doesnt care about anything anymore lol "even his selfish persona isn't even satisfied with the current state of Mabu" he was led to believe Mabu hates him and cheats on him with the otter, kinda understandable he wasnt satsified lol Honestly you dont really need the manga or twitter to understand it.


Mabu chose to break silence and confess his feelings towards Reo despite being forced by the Otter. That's where Mabu chose his path. He could have kept quiet and let Reo run amok on the three main protagonists on the side of the Otter. Mabu picked sides in the final battle and dragged Reo along because Reo cares for whatever Mabu does, and both turn back into chibi kappa mode. That's where both of them chose their FATE

Mika-taicho said:

And like I wanna say that technically you could say all the characters are killing people for their own selfish reasons. So are they all black?


Do you even read an process what you just wrote? YES, that's exactly what a black character does, act in a selfish way for his own benefit, "fuck everyone else but me". A grey character would do a henous act but would have a bigger reason to do it, like stealing bread to feed a homeless family in the most benign example to an extreme example like soldier in the battlefront killing other soldiers because his country and superiors orders him to do it for a possible better reason for his country.

Mabu was never forced at gunpoint to abide by the otter. He could either

A) Be a reasonable adult and understand that life ends for Mabu so it's time to move on
B) Become a selfish dick and kill innocents for his own benefit, wich is getting Mabu back to fill in HIS AFFECTION NEEDS.

Mika-taicho said:
Because reomabu might be killing people but its the kappa trio that erases them from the existence.


What does that have anything to do with it? It sounds like a cheap excuse teenagers use "what if she was a girl, she deserves preferable treatment". Erasing them from existence was completely futile, that didn't compensate at all the killing both Mabu and Reo did. And it also becomes pointless and reseted with the ending in episode 11.

Mika-taicho said:

And aside from that Toi deadass kills a bunch of people in ep 9 just bc he wants to be with his bro? And Enta fucked up because of his jealousy? Kazuki made everyone miserable to satisfy his guilt? They all clearly have selfish intentions.


You're just agreeing with me that even the main characters are selfish. The big difference is that they aren't "destroying lives" in their selfishness path. Both Kazuki & Enta as selfish as they are, they are still white characters. Toi killing in self defense to save his brother in the earlier episodes and being pushed by the mobs to return fire in episode 9, falls into a grey character. Toi gunpointing at Enta & Kazuki in order to get the dishes makes him a black character in that particular scene wich later gets corrected for a lame "bait & switch"
KimurahJun 23, 2019 6:11 AM
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Well, there goes my tears.

Poor Reo and Mabu. they deserved better. Atleast Mabu still able to confess his feelings before dying. Reo looks so broken after knowing the truth. This series really know how to fuck up my feelings.

Jun 25, 2019 6:53 PM

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damn the emotional rollercoaster this episode put me on, i dont know who i feel the worst for and emphasize with the most at this point
Jun 25, 2019 9:17 PM

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Eh, I wasn't expecting NTR in this show... poor Reo, man. It really hit me when he started forgetting Mabu. Props to his VA, by the way. He did an amazing job at portraying his agony.

Nice episode overall. As expected, Toi wants to bring his brother back so now, let's see how Enta and Kazuki will manage to... save him?
Jun 30, 2019 11:23 AM

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Damn, definitely looking forward to this final episode
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Oh nooo, Reo and Mabu ended up being my favorite characters... I really liked how Mabu's hidden motive was that in order to connect with Reo, he had to sever that connection. Nice play on the show's theme.
Still, they definitely didn't deserve this.

5/5 for this episode. I wonder how they'll handle the end, especially since the best characters are no longer there.
Jul 20, 2019 4:30 AM

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It's getting a little bit hot here, is it just me 🥵

Apr 28, 2020 6:20 AM

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The future belongs to those who can connect their desires. If your desires are connected to those of another erson, you get love. Otter Empire wants the opposite of that - severing your connections in the name of your selfish desire and punishing you for expressing love.

I like how Mabu's kappa zombie sequence was different. He turned back into a kappa because unlike all the previous kappa zombies, he wanted his desire to be known to Reo. Same for the leaking sequence, he became a "ring" because of his love. Reo and Mabu finally were able to form a connection - love, and became literally connected as rings. It makes me think of these lovers' locks you see interconnected on bridges.

What is also remarkable is how Ikuhara constantly manages to make the viewer feel deep emotions for morally "grey" and even "black" characters, it's true for literally every one of his shows. He said in his interviews said he likes to portray characters who are obviously wrong, and damn he succeeded at that. Needless to say that I was crying practically the entire episode.
Sep 11, 2020 4:05 AM

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I knew it’d never happen (well I suppose it could’ve actually, especially since Kazuki waited for Enta to die... but Ikuhara wouldn’t be that merciful, so even if it did Toi’s gonna move onto another plane of existence or something lol) but I was really hoping for a wish of ‘everyone who died in the last 8 hours comes back to life’ or something along those lines. Kinda made me think of Madoka Magica with the whole ‘we have a wish to fix everything, but there’s no way everything ends happily’

God, this is ending way too soon. There’s so much more that could’ve been played with here. Fingers crossed everything is at least tied off reasonably.
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Mabu is the example that, in the world and hetero-normative system we live in, once you declare your true feelings you can't get out unscathed from it...
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I'm actually sad for Mabu and Reo T^T
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