Ballroom e Youkoso Episode 18 Discussion

PastFuturist said:


Yah, I think Chinatsu has a legitimate gripe with life. Plus, she's helping Tatara become a better lead.

In reality, Mako and Tatara would be the most compatible match, but neither one of them would "grow."

Ysad_Ziwezhan said:
"actually, you're a coward"

Best line of this fucking episode. That's why Chinatsu is best girl (after Hongo). She really is this one necessary person who will pull Tatara to level-up.

The struggle, the fight but also the support we can see in Chinatsu-Tatara relationship, everything, all together, it's great. That's really the best arc for me and there are more good things to come.

Username23489023 said:


Pot meet kettle. This chick wouldn’t even admit she liked dancing when they first met, let alone practice in front of people. Seems more like she’s projecting her insecurities onto him, rather than acknowledging his cowardice.

Typical annoying tsundra.

Ysad_Ziwezhan said:


You had a point but from there she moved forward.

She still has her insecurities and her doubts but she is aware of it, she has still a "strong" sense of competition and already acknowledged her passion for dancing AND the fact Tatara is the one who is giving her her last chance. It's not like she says and thinks Tatara is shit, she just still want him to become "better" .

And if she is a tsundere in some ways, for me she is a good one. I really like her personality.

Furthermore I still remember how this show was criticized in the beginning for having the women being in the shadow of the men. Now we have Chizuru Hongou, Marisa Sensei AND Chinatsu as example of women with strong personalities. That's a good thing for a shounen.

82MandMs said:


This was the episode where I dropped this anime. It's really actually quite good but it's major fault just as Tatara "Really got on my nervers".

First, i agree that Mako and Tatara are the most compatible but to say neither of them would grow is JUST WRONG Mako came out of her shell because of him she bloomed on the dancefloor right in front of everyone. However, they do have a blockage that might be hard to get over because both are too passive which is why they aren't "optimal" to fast track their grown where Chinatsu might be.

Second, I also agree with the first person because their "drama" isn't "natural" at all it's completed forced and part of the reason I dropped this because of that. From a writing stand point it's so convoluted till it hurts to watch at times. Why? because Tatara has been dancing for 7 months. THEY ALL KNOW THIS, its even excusable to "forget" that he's not seasoned because of his natural ability to catch on quick to things but in 7 months they are STILL bagging on this dude who has been giving 110% THIS WHOLE TIME. He himself understands his limitations and states them which is part of the reason he hasn't taken the "Lead" in dancing he literally didn't know how. All these 'seasoned dancers" especially his instructors are so roundabout in trying to help him "specifically" improve to a level where he doesn't always feel inadequate dancing with his partner that I just couldn't deal anymore. Its just way to obvious (and stated in the anime) why he can't push forward yet knowing he lacks his on will on the dance floor because he's a noob and because he's super considerate (always wanting to help other do there) they don't give him any clear answers. He finally got some confidence this episode but that's only because he's gotten better through training and he's more determined that's not something he got from Chinatsu but by all these incredible dancers around him and his desire to be stand next them. He's basically his own support system except for random encourage from encouragement from everyone but Chinatsu.

Third, EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM except Mako keep bluntly stating his short comings to his inner turmoil. Mako was the only one who told him with care that "he needs to consider himself more" yet Mako also stated that "everyone" was watching him HAHA everyone else can't be that clueless then right? This is what he has to do to evolve yet his instructors just throw him into conflicting situations with either vague or no hints at all. Before you say that "sometimes you need to just get out there and figure it out yourself" sure that works sometimes but they all know this kid's character trait is the opposite of focusing on himself and his understanding of his limits make it even more reason somebody could have just given him that tiny bit of basic instruction which would have saved us like 5 episodes of "natural drama" haha. The natural drama is the stuff he learns on the dancefloor and the influences they all have on each other not the ridiculous stuff they keep expecting Tatara to just eventually do with no clear guidance. Even when he manages to surprass them.

Lastly, back to Chinatsu; I agree they made her unlikable to me. From day one she has bagged on him and they want me to be okay with it because that's just how she is? Um maybe I would have been if she actually gave Tatara one SINGLE apology last episode. Tatara hasn't done anything but try to be "enough" for her. She even acknowledges and has monologues where she clearly knows she's the one at fault yet they kept making Tatara the fall guy. She's not growing at all as a character her dance will as she learns how to follow but that's acquired skill her character on the otherhand just got a Get Out of Jail free card to continue to be a stubborn and hypocritical ass to him. Yet They Want Tatara to become a completely different person from how he is now. That's some serious BS especially if she's going to be his partner. I get it the writers want them to argue so he becomes more vocal and standout but they've basically said her personality is just fine and it's really NOT. Now, I've watched enough anime in my life to understand that this is a common troupe of man vs. women in alot of these shows but it's one of the things I hate the most when watching anime and usually when i see this hypocritical plot device that anime takes a nose dive in my favorites list. I wanted to like Chinatsu especially since it seemed like she had been watching him from before they met a little. I wanted her to either be the girl that really got him or at least the girl that made Shizuku notice him more. She won't ever truly get him or maybe she will but her personality won't let her grow and properly be his support as well. She hasn't said one thing to encourage him because she to focused on herself. She stated in one episode " Can I Trust You" but trust what? He's so new he still needs supporting he doesn't know what he's doing and compared to him YOUR THE EXPERT. "Lets learn to trust each other" or "I'm here for/with you" is something you'd expect from a Senpai. She just has too many negatives and not enough positives. The main problem is the one job she's there for is something any of these competitive dancers are already doing. Which is: She's more talented so it keeps him humble and pushes him to want to be better and be more bold. Everyone in his dancer life is an example of that right now so why does he need her again? Shizuku does a better job of making him believe in himself and she isn't his partner that he spends all his time with.

That was lengthy and for good reason because I really liked this show. The premise, the dancing and watching Tatara grow but they give him way to much grief and very little clear direction that they are actually hindering his growth. A little of this would have been fine but its so consistent every episode that I just couldn't take it anymore because it's unrealistic in that regard. Any half descent instructor or friend would get something so basic about you by now and help you move forward. Again, only Mako gave him real encouragement and a clear nod in the direction he needs to grow. And that's even if she isn't the person to help him get there. If any of you don't mind this huge discrepancy then you'll continue this show unhindered by it (and it's still pretty good) but for me this is my exit.

Ani-Blast said:


I entirely agree with all of this (including that Chinatsu is not likable at all), and yet I still love the show. I think I'm just waiting for the time in which Tatara blows up on them all or he manages to figure it out on his own and just leaves them all behind. Not likely, but the way the MC gets ragged on is seriously unreal. Like they're honestly trying to squash his desire to go professional with dancing.

ShanaStrauss said:

Hyoudo's smile can cure cancer

AHHHHHHHHHH THE LAST FEW SECONDS. CLUTCHES CHEST AND SCREECHES.