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I don't have a problem with Shin gathering his last forces to save Yurie, it's how she draw it that annoys me, he looks almost unconscious in one scene but looks in his normal state in the next. We miss a progression here. They showed him opening his eyes. |
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| HOLY SHIT...is my only response to this episode. |
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| HOLY SHIT...is my only response to this episode. |
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Annick said: I don't have a problem with Shin gathering his last forces to save Yurie, it's how she draw it that annoys me, he looks almost unconscious in one scene but looks in his normal state in the next. We miss a progression here. I might be impatient, but I also took a look at the manga (which is finished) and I'm afraid that we won't know more about this (not sure). What I wonder is if Bon just appeared after the fact and has nothing to do with it or was with Yurie like in the first story and Shin appeared after. I will take a look at those theories... ;) Ahh, I see, sorry I misread your post a bit then! I'm just so used to stuff like this in anime that it didn't bother me, haha. And oh, I see. So the manga is complete! I knew that the anime will adapt the manga completely, but last I heard it was almost done. Nice to see that everything has finished in the manga! I haven't spoiled myself about anything, so hopefully they'll add something to the anime that was not in the manga to learn more? But yeah! Nice talkin' to ya~ |
kayune_Feb 18, 2017 4:55 PM
atsumu said: Annick said: I don't have a problem with Shin gathering his last forces to save Yurie, it's how she draw it that annoys me, he looks almost unconscious in one scene but looks in his normal state in the next. We miss a progression here. I might be impatient, but I also took a look at the manga (which is finished) and I'm afraid that we won't know more about this (not sure). What I wonder is if Bon just appeared after the fact and has nothing to do with it or was with Yurie like in the first story and Shin appeared after. I will take a look at those theories... ;) Ahh, I see, sorry I misread your post a bit then! I'm just so used to stuff like this in anime that it didn't bother me, haha. And oh, I see. So the manga is complete! I knew that the anime will adapt the manga completely, but last I heard it was almost done. Nice to see that everything has finished in the manga! I haven't spoiled myself about anything, so hopefully they'll add something to the anime that was not in the manga to learn more? But yeah! Nice talkin' to ya~ Everything else in that anime is so beautiful and well done, I was just disappointed a little by those death scenes. Yes it's complete, so we will have a proper end! That episode was from vol.8 (there are 10 vol). I first saw the manga, a long time ago. I don't think they will add more to the anime, they cut a few scenes, nothing major, but so far it follows the manga. =) |
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YayPepsi said: I don't have a problem with Shin gathering his last forces to save Yurie, it's how she draw it that annoys me, he looks almost unconscious in one scene but looks in his normal state in the next. We miss a progression here. They showed him opening his eyes. I think I was expecting more... more drama lol Anyway, that scene was better than the first one. |
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| "It wasn't anyone's fault. They were all victims." I suspected Yakumo was an unreliable narrator after the first season---that his retelling of these tragic events was not in fact the truth. I knew something like this was coming. But the part that Konatsu played in it... that was a HUGE shocker. Even with those suspicions, the impact of this episode was not diminished in the slightest. I haven't cried that much because of a story in a WHILE (book, TV, movie, animated or otherwise). Shouwa Genroku would have to fail spectacularly for me to not consider it a masterpiece at this point. It's pretty solidly in my top 5. |
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| Wow.....I really didn't expect this episode to bring us back into the nastolgia of season one then THROW US OFF A FUCKING CLIFF. I'm in shock. Holy crap. Kiku has been performing rakugo with these scars for years. I'm just gonna go lay in the corner. |
| Wow. To think that things actually took that dark of a turn... It even brought tears to my eyes. However, that revelation shows Yakumo in a completely new light. An enthralling episode. |
| I... wasn't expecting this. At all. For years he cared for his best friend's child, letting her hate and blame him so that she wouldn't grow up hating herself. He's shielded her from that trauma for decades while she's verbally abused him over and over for a crime he never committed. She'll hate herself all the more for it if she ever learns the truth. At the end of Yakumo's life he and Konatsu should be supporting one another emotionally, but he won't reach out and let others help him because he's determined to shoulder the burden himself. How heartbreaking. |
| Such a serene episode delving into the rakugo performances with real finesse, pacing, interactions, all perfect. Closes the perfect circle with a twist that gives a second explanation to one of the most questionable scenes from the first season for many people. Ho-holy 10/10 material right here. |
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| This season is absolutely amazing.Another 5/5 episode. |
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| OMG!!i am speechless.....first half is so heartwarming, then the last half is too much depressing, definitely one of the best anime AGAIN for this year.... |
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| Damn, that was intense. A really good episode. Seeing those old films really made me nostalgic about S1. It was a delight to see Kikuhiko and Sukeroku at their prime one last time. Also, the scenario pertaining to Sukeroku and Miyokichi's deaths was't really dramatic as much as I had expected. Still it was nice to see how it actually played out. Kikuhiko's the man. Burdening all the blame just so Konatsu don't get traumatized by the event... I have now even more respect for him ;_; It was well directed episode. First it slowly builds up the atmosphere hitting viewers with a wave of nostalgia and then bam! Suddenly discloses secret, the revelation of much awaited mystery of that unfortunate night. |
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| DUUUUUUUDE I'm so shocked!!!!! WHAT A TWIST!! So Yakumo lied about the suicide event to protect Konatsu from the truth. |
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| DAMN, that caught me off guard, I ddn´t expect that the death of those two was totally different, Miyo is some crazy bitch stabbing Shin-chan, it felt gruesome and left a bad feeling in my stomach. The fact that Konatsu was actually the responsible one makes it even worse. This anime is really an underrated masterpiece easily in my top ten list. |
| Did I just cry... from shock!? The truth about their deaths left me speechless. Man, even at this stage we're still learning a lot about Yakumo. |
Mirorin said: Did I just cry... from shock!? I second that. Great directing. |
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| SO IT WAS KONATSU WHO KILLED BOTH OF THEM HOLY SHIT |
| Now I want to rewatch season 1... fuck xD |
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| I think Konastsu deep down on a subconscious level knows that Yakumo wasn't responsible, I don't think she would live with him if she did. Also, that stalker guy I don't like him one bit, I don't trust him either! |
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| Oh god. UNEXPECTED PLOT TWIST |
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| well fuck, this was a great ass episode plot twist was amazing and it was awesome to see sukeroku and kiku perform in their prime |
RoryBurrows said: I'm beyond traumatised, holy shit. Me: I'm not prepared to watch Rakugo this week, so I'll wait until friday to watch it. Me: (today) I STILL WASN'T PREPARED FOR THIS AT ALL. WHY |
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| This is the most tragic anime I've ever seen. |
| Ah, finally the reveal. I got spoiled on it immediately after finishing the first season. |
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| i sure missed the young Bon, i forgot how handsome he was. i definitely love this season and i think it's just as spectacular but i really miss the first season. might have to give it a rewatch some time and it's so cool how they showed the rakugo from first season, i clearly remember the story Sukeroku told because i remember thinking "man this is long" haha well holy fuck looks like it wasn't a suicide. it was kinda all Konatsu's fault....oh no....when she finds out.... or will she remember? i hope she doesn't blame herself too much, she was a kid i don't remember much from first season so i don't understand exactly why Yurie stabbed Sukeroku? what the hell happened? and they just fell into water, they could have survived, especially Yurie since Sukeroku was holding her. the height wasn't that great either, didn't they at least try to help them? |
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| Did not expect that twist. Best episode in the series so far. |
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| Knew something was odd about Kikuhiko's story in the last season, especially after the sudden flashback Konatsu had in the first episode of him holding a blood-covered Sukeroku. My suspicions were confirmed... My god, that was still really intense and a sudden twist, but it's so tragic knowing all this now and how much he's endured in his life. Such a small lie in his story just to hide Konatsu from the real truth. I'm assuming the truth will be revealed to her later down the line with her regretting how she's treated Kikuhiko her whole life. Even knowing the truth though, I find it hard to hate Konatsu |
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| Wish I hadn't had the details of this episode spoiled for me. *sigh* It's pretty fascinating when you realize this show is actually a rakugo story itself. Bon came up with the story to keep Konatsu from being traumatized. Anyway, if we get no further details as to why Miyo stabbed Sukeroku, I guess she was a selfish and horrible woman to the very end. Love makes you do crazy things and she was never able to move on. |
| OMG!!! So that's how it really happens!!! I never expected it!!! I was so surprised, and I felt so much pain, Yakumo decided it was better to make Konatsu hate him and blame him...so sad. This story is so wonderful, but deep inside, I really wished Yakumo and Yurie could have been happy in their past, end up together and all... |
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| Holy shit, I'm so sad now. This story is so tragic that even 20 minutes after watching it, I'm still crying. I have even more respect for Yakumo after having seen what really happened. It should have been so hard to bear the responsibility of these deaths alone. Poor family, poor Yakumo, I'm so sad T_T BTW, it was nice to see Yakumo and Sukeroku play Rakugo. This anime is a masterpiece |
| Well goddamn... Easily one of the best episodes in the whole series |
| Ah I remembered that one rakugo about finding dirty purse, that was really amazing So... It was Miyokichi's fault? Then Konatsu spiced it a lot? I don't know whether they should told her the truth or not Seems like the right thing to do, but it'll hurt |
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| I love hearing Shinnosuke call Yotarou "tou-chan" or daddy/father. Their father/son interaction is so cute. It's so wonderful seeing the younger Yakumo/Kikuhiko again in black and white and the colored depiction of his rakugo coming into life. OMG, so Miyokichi stabbed Sukeroku. Konatsu hated her mom, pushed her to the balcony THEN they fell to their death. :( So sad. I don't feel that sorry for Miyokichi but poor Sukeroku. I wonder if Konatsu really remembers but refuses to show others that she does. Perhaps she's in guilt but doesn't show it. |
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| The end of the episode was dramatic, and bloody, because the true is more hard that the fantasy!!! If one of my favorites storys, 48 ryo, great story with a cool and tearful end ;) Nice flashback film :) |
| The end of the episode was dramatic, and bloody, because the true is more hard that the fantasy!!! If one of my favorites storys, 48 ryo, great story with a cool and tearful end ;) Nice flashback film :) |
| How old is sensei? The accident happened 30 years ago. He saw Miyokichi when he was a teen and she was still dating Kiku. If we say he was 14 then. After she broke up with Kiku, had Konatsu, so we add at least 6 years (unless Konatsu was much younger than 5), then 30 years. So sensei is more or less 50. He sure doesn't look like 50. |
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