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Mar 8, 2015 12:50 AM

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7starkiller99 said:

Come now, if you look to hard it's almost impossible not to find plotholes.

Such as why Kise's foot suddenly is hurting him and it being mentioned so late despite being obvious.

Not really.

Kise's foot is not the same. It's not suddenly hurting him, it had some hints after it happened, he was just overworking himself in the first half, until it's effect on his play, became worse, and more apparent.
Mar 8, 2015 1:03 AM

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tsudecimo said:
7starkiller99 said:

Come now, if you look to hard it's almost impossible not to find plotholes.

Such as why Kise's foot suddenly is hurting him and it being mentioned so late despite being obvious.

Not really.

Kise's foot is not the same. It's not suddenly hurting him, it had some hints after it happened, he was just overworking himself in the first half, until it's effect on his play, became worse, and more apparent.


No, the foreshadowing started way before, in season 1 when he played Aomine. He was trying a behind the backboard shot when his ankle twisted awkwardly.

Anyway, I love this exchange on Reddit last week:
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Mar 8, 2015 3:01 AM

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Talking about injured feet, anyone remember when Kagami's feet were strained to the point that he could barely walk properly after doing some super-jumps?
Mar 8, 2015 3:28 AM

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yhunata said:
Talking about injured feet, anyone remember when Kagami's feet were strained to the point that he could barely walk properly after doing some super-jumps?

The training camp in the beach solved the problem, as he just basically needed to build up muscle in his legs to endure those super-jumps.

Not the most clever explanation, but this is Kuroko no Basket afterall.
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Mar 8, 2015 4:23 AM

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tsudecimo said:
......Seriously, it's a lot worse, than any other inconsistencies/asspulls I have seen in actual battle series.


This. KnB is shonen after all and the asspulls in this are nothing compared to the ones I've seen in other anime.
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Mar 8, 2015 4:28 AM

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SchwingBoner said:
tsudecimo said:
......Seriously, it's a lot worse, than any other inconsistencies/asspulls I have seen in actual battle series.


This. KnB is shonen after all and the asspulls in this are nothing compared to the ones I've seen in other anime.
Apparently it's only going to get worse...
Mar 8, 2015 4:55 AM

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G_Spark233 said:
SchwingBoner said:


This. KnB is shonen after all and the asspulls in this are nothing compared to the ones I've seen in other anime.
Apparently it's only going to get worse...

teiko arc is an exception
Mar 8, 2015 5:57 AM
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I was kinda rooting for kaijou this episode lol.
Mar 8, 2015 6:08 AM

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geralt said:
yhunata said:
Talking about injured feet, anyone remember when Kagami's feet were strained to the point that he could barely walk properly after doing some super-jumps?

The training camp in the beach solved the problem, as he just basically needed to build up muscle in his legs to endure those super-jumps.

Not the most clever explanation, but this is Kuroko no Basket afterall.


Does that also explain how he can basically use the Zone in 2 games within a week and be completely fine?

SchwingBoner said:
tsudecimo said:
......Seriously, it's a lot worse, than any other inconsistencies/asspulls I have seen in actual battle series.


This. KnB is shonen after all and the asspulls in this are nothing compared to the ones I've seen in other anime.


I'd disagree with that, actually. KnB is way too inconsistent and lazy compared to most other asspulls from other shonen.
Mar 8, 2015 6:15 AM

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Was it said, that the zone, puts a strain in your body? I don't remember that. Aomine was fine as well, after using it.
Mar 8, 2015 7:00 AM

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I guess most people care about the ''asspulls'' and unrealism of this show. I'm probably in the minority because I don't. I hate sports never liked KnB for the basketball but for the well-developed, dynamic cast of main characters. This could be called Kuroko no Hockey and I'd still love it.

I know it's a common theme but I find stories about characters overcoming their obstacles inspiring.

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Mar 8, 2015 7:00 AM

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A quite hard keeping their straights, but we know they can do it! ;)
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Mar 8, 2015 7:07 AM

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Damn, Kagami's on fire! He dominated the first quarter nicely. But let's see Kisei's retaliation to his onslaught in the coming episodes. Shit's intense!
Mar 8, 2015 7:12 AM

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tsudecimo said:
Was it said, that the zone, puts a strain in your body? I don't remember that. Aomine was fine as well, after using it.


Well, going "all-out" against Kise injured him somewhat, so going into the Zone should be even worse, no?
Mar 8, 2015 7:13 AM

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SchwingBoner said:
I guess most people care about the ''asspulls'' and unrealism of this show. I'm probably in the minority because I don't. I hate sports never liked KnB for the basketball but for the well-developed, dynamic cast of main characters. This could be called Kuroko no Hockey and I'd still love it.

I know it's a common theme but I find stories about characters overcoming their obstacles inspiring.



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Mar 8, 2015 7:31 AM

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yhunata said:
tsudecimo said:
Was it said, that the zone, puts a strain in your body? I don't remember that. Aomine was fine as well, after using it.


Well, going "all-out" against Kise injured him somewhat, so going into the Zone should be even worse, no?


It wasn't just going all out. Haizaki also made it worse.
Mar 8, 2015 7:43 AM

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Torrible said:
SchwingBoner said:
I guess most people care about the ''asspulls'' and unrealism of this show. I'm probably in the minority because I don't. I hate sports never liked KnB for the basketball but for the well-developed, dynamic cast of main characters. This could be called Kuroko no Hockey and I'd still love it.

I know it's a common theme but I find stories about characters overcoming their obstacles inspiring.



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Mar 8, 2015 7:52 AM

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SchwingBoner said:
I guess most people care about the ''asspulls'' and unrealism of this show. I'm probably in the minority because I don't. I hate sports never liked KnB for the basketball but for the well-developed, dynamic cast of main characters. This could be called Kuroko no Hockey and I'd still love it.

I know it's a common theme but I find stories about characters overcoming their obstacles inspiring.


I also don't care about realism in KnB. I loved the first season. But Kuroko's bullshit in season 2, annoyed me a lot. The moves in the show are exaggerated, but they are not straight up impossible, like Kuroko's. It was just bad, I would have preferred if he didn't develop ''new powers''.
Mar 8, 2015 8:49 AM

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Lame... Without Kise, this match is boring. Its not even hard for Seirin.
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Mar 8, 2015 9:02 AM
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I liked this episode a lot!!
kagami's class is shown without even using his zone..classic!!
too bad for kise..he ust has to wait..
i like tht instead of seirin always landing in trouble, the opposition is in a pinch!!
Mar 8, 2015 9:08 AM

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5/5 epic game, i can't wait for the duel between kagami's zone vs kise's perfect copy.
Mar 8, 2015 12:40 PM

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G_Spark233 said:
yhunata said:


Well, going "all-out" against Kise injured him somewhat, so going into the Zone should be even worse, no?


It wasn't just going all out. Haizaki also made it worse.


There's a reason why all-out was in inverted commas. And I was talking about Aomine, not Kise. Aomine was somewhat injured after the game against Kaijo, remember? Just going that far strained his body, so the Zone should be far worse... should it not be the same for Kagami?

tsudecimo said:
SchwingBoner said:
I guess most people care about the ''asspulls'' and unrealism of this show. I'm probably in the minority because I don't. I hate sports never liked KnB for the basketball but for the well-developed, dynamic cast of main characters. This could be called Kuroko no Hockey and I'd still love it.

I know it's a common theme but I find stories about characters overcoming their obstacles inspiring.


I also don't care about realism in KnB. I loved the first season. But Kuroko's bullshit in season 2, annoyed me a lot. The moves in the show are exaggerated, but they are not straight up impossible, like Kuroko's. It was just bad, I would have preferred if he didn't develop ''new powers''.


Rather than Kuroko's new abilities, it was the Zone that destroyed KnB for me. It was just too..... far out there even for KnB.
Mar 8, 2015 3:39 PM

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MikuruSi said:
Did I see it wrong or is Kise going to use one of Kuroko's passes (ignite pass?) in the next episode ouch
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Mar 8, 2015 8:07 PM

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yhunata said:
I also don't care about realism in KnB. I loved the first season. But Kuroko's bullshit in season 2, annoyed me a lot. The moves in the show are exaggerated, but they are not straight up impossible, like Kuroko's. It was just bad, I would have preferred if he didn't develop ''new powers''.
Rather than Kuroko's new abilities, it was the Zone that destroyed KnB for me. It was just too..... far out there even for KnB.[/quote] As someone who plays the game and has for a long time, that is one of, if not the, most realistic aspect of the entire show. Google "Klay Thompson 3rd Quarter" or "Joe Johnson vs 76ers." Basketball is really the only sport where something like 'being in the zone' is somewhat of a tangible thing. If you want to cry bullshit at anything in this show, it should be the eagle/hawk eye effect, because they are just physically impossible and will never be possible.
Mar 8, 2015 9:52 PM

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Kaijo Willpower is amazing

Kasamatsu <3

Go Kaijo <3

Go Seiren <3
Mar 8, 2015 10:37 PM

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yhunata said:
Rather than Kuroko's new abilities, it was the Zone that destroyed KnB for me. It was just too..... far out there even for KnB.
As someone who plays the game and has for a long time, that is one of, if not the, most realistic aspect of the entire show. Google "Klay Thompson 3rd Quarter" or "Joe Johnson vs 76ers." Basketball is really the only sport where something like 'being in the zone' is somewhat of a tangible thing. If you want to cry bullshit at anything in this show, it should be the eagle/hawk eye effect, because they are just physically impossible and will never be possible.


It wasn't whether it possible or not, but rather how it's used.
Mar 9, 2015 6:39 AM

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yhunata said:

Rather than Kuroko's new abilities, it was the Zone that destroyed KnB for me. It was just too..... far out there even for KnB.

I definitely disagree there. The zone, and Kagami vs Aomine, saved the second season for me (I would have probably given it 4/10), I still re-watch it sometimes, it's so exciting, and very fitting for the tone of KnB.

It really wasn't ''out there'' as it's not impossible in real life. Athlete's zone, is a legit sports term, it's just exaggerated in KnB, and is made like a special mode with time limit or not.
Mar 9, 2015 10:26 AM

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tsudecimo said:
yhunata said:

Rather than Kuroko's new abilities, it was the Zone that destroyed KnB for me. It was just too..... far out there even for KnB.

I definitely disagree there. The zone, and Kagami vs Aomine, saved the second season for me (I would have probably given it 4/10), I still re-watch it sometimes, it's so exciting, and very fitting for the tone of KnB.

It really wasn't ''out there'' as it's not impossible in real life. Athlete's zone, is a legit sports term, it's just exaggerated in KnB, and is made like a special mode with time limit or not.


I've played sports, so I know that the Zone is possible. It was the usage of it that was too far out for me and how it just came out of nowhere.... and suddenly everyone knows what it is and all that shit. The worst of it is yet to come, though.
Mar 9, 2015 3:51 PM
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Zone was actually believable to me, as someone who did competitive sport I used to shut out everything around me. It was just me and my opponent. Though apparently I still heard all of the advices my coaches shouted and followed them even though I don't remember hearing them.


However, everything else just gets pretty dumb as series go. It started to go further and further away from sport show in season 2 and turned more into a shounen. Like yeh they do give explanations and all but it still is very exaggerated like whole future seeing.

Kinda get that Aksahi is simply very observant of opponents movements and simply has sharp eyes and mind but it still takes it a bit far, especially Kise's ability to copy everything form a get go. You can't just copy someone's 100% vision and procession of thoughts.
Mar 9, 2015 11:44 PM

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godammit kise is supposed to be stylin on these fool's. i like that this show makes me unaware of time as these episodes move so fast. hopefully they end the match next episode so that kise can style on them.
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Mar 12, 2015 12:39 AM

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looks like next episode will have some sakuga animation finally!
Mar 13, 2015 3:01 PM

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tbh I just want this match to finish quickly so Akashi can appear again

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Mar 14, 2015 1:18 AM
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Wasn't that #9 from Keijo supposed to be very good at defense? he felt way too lame tbh.

This game is very boring compared to the last one, I hope they wrap it up quickly and I can see something something better.

Mar 14, 2015 1:57 PM

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This game is very boring compared to the last one, I hope they wrap it up quickly and I can see something something better.
Mar 28, 2015 7:01 AM

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Kasamatsu for Kaijo, Hanjo and president!
His argument with Kise about elders was just spot on
Apr 22, 2015 4:49 PM

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I like Kasamatsu a lot, but I still felt sorry for Kuroko when he blocked his Fantomu Shuto.
So, Kaijo won't give up as expected, I even cheer for them actually.
I think they don't have enough stamina, though. Kagami is way too op.
And Kuroko will probably find a way to get back in the game with a new technique.
Apr 22, 2015 9:52 PM
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This matchup is kind of meh. Bunch of shitters (Kise in the bench) vs. bunch of shitters + Kagami.
May 12, 2015 9:16 AM

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yhunata said:
You see, this is what I hate about techniques being explained in KnB. They make no fucking sense. Kuroko apparently misdirected Murasakibara's eyes towards someone who was behind him and yet Tatsuya had to tell him that Kagami was behind him (Phantom Shot to Alley-oop in Seirin-Yosen game) and according to the explanation, only the person blocking him should be unable to see the shot, yet every single person is confused as to where the ball went. It was the same bloody shit with the Vanishing Drive as well and then there's them trying to explain his misdirection not working as well when used against the same team a second time.... doesn't that mean that he should be completely visible to the Generation of Miracles.


Kuroko's abilities are the most broken thing in the KnB universe. Anyone can see how he makes the fucking shot from a video. So there was no reason to create the atmosphere of "omg it was broken now because the secret was revealed".

I said it before and i'll say it again. Even Akashi's skill is more logical than anything Kuroko does.
Jun 1, 2015 2:53 AM

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Damn, Kasamatsu destroyed Phantom Shot.
At least Kagami can break through a double-team.
And his pass had godly animation.
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Jun 24, 2015 8:35 PM

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Kinda sucks that Kise is injured, or Kaijo would be up a good bit by now. But the rest of the team are really holding up. The last 2 minutes of this match will be insane.
Jul 24, 2015 7:34 PM
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Awesome episode. Didn't expect Kise to be replaced so soon though....
Kasamatsu is op, damn. Destroyed Kuroko's cool shoot O.O
Kagami's da beast though *.*
That last point from Kaijo was a bit forced, Kagami could've easy won that rebound. But well, it was nice for Kaijo to stand up for a while.
Looking forward to the rest of the game. Kagami vs Kise at the end will be epic *.*
Dec 15, 2015 6:57 PM

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the fun thing about this Kaijo vs. Seirin is that.. I like of both of them as a team. So I'm kinda like, I don't care who wins I'm just enjoying the show.. But of course I still want Seirin to win though so that they will be the one to crush Akashi. hehehe
Dec 23, 2015 4:23 AM
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kagami is epic.. kise is epic ( he was adorable in the flashback but i would have done the same as kasamatsu ) :3 kuroko's move they figure it out damn ! :3
Dec 30, 2015 2:45 PM

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I find it funny how they name their plays like they're some type of attacks or something.
Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM

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Kise went off already! Awww :(

I liked the flashback when he introduced himself LOL!!!

It is like their plays are attacks like in Dragonball or Bleach lol.

Kagami was awesome.

They stopped Kuroko's shot though! D:
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lol I've always thought Kasamatsu was cool X) I like how stern he is and his brows xD Nice to see him get more screentime this episode ^-^
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I had completely forgotten that Kise had an injury. Good thing they benched him so he won't get worse.
It's good to see that Kaijo is not completely helpless without Kise on the court. I really like the captain of the team, he leads everyone well.
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Kise being out really impacted the course of the game.
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pity on kise or not, his missin from the game really make it easier for seirin.

and though kaijo doing pretty well, it's written badly, as to make kagami less effective.
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Kaijo has some extremely skilled players and great team spirit, but without Kise they don't stand a chance.

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