Kami no Tou Episode 3 Discussion

BLOODRipper said:

Khun did go in the right direction thinking about the hint which is time, but his insecurities told him not to trust the plastic bag. Did you watch the episode? And khun doesn't depend on anybody, if your story published, it'd have been worst coz that changes Khun and Bam's personality completely. Bam is not an aggressive character like other shonen mc's. He'll not point out his views and force others to believe him. You can find flaws in Bam's personality but the test was done good. It helps the newcomers to to find more facts about khun/Rak and it's done it's job. Did you properly analyse the episode, khun obviously didn't overcome his insecurities, and how Bam trusts everyone. This episode obviously gave more depth to certain characters unless you completely missed them and tried to find faults which actually aren't. Dude, you actually said to change the story. Lol, Khun doesn't do any job unless he's 100% sure of it's certainty, if he followed Bam blindly, he wouldn't be khun anymore. And in Tog main characters are not faultless, they have the bad side in their characters and it's what that makes them unique. You just told khun and Bam to do what they will never do in the first place coz of their personality. It leaves a huge plothole. Can't blame you though as you don't know khun and bam that much.

Whayle said:


I can be condescending too. Did you learn to read ? Because it doesn't seem like you understood my points.
So first of all you don't need the other dude's hint to reach the conclusion. An user who replied to me literally showed me that, and on top of that I already said that it could be the last thing you can do at the very end when you don't find any other possible answer.
"Bam is not an aggressive character like other shonen mc's." No but he sure as hell is as naive, obnoxious, bland and annoying as most of them. Once again, a strawman. I never said anything about Bam aggressive or some shit, I literally just wanted him to be INVOLVED in the game instead of having Khun being the only one thinking while the other two just fuck around, since you know, Bam so far basically got carried without doing shit. If he's involved, then he may be able to assess something. You know you can only write a character who's a total pussy for so long, there's a point when you need him to actually be involved and certainly not after 100 chapters. I'm not asking him to be aggressive, I'm asking him to ask Khun to trust him. After all he's the dude with a lot of luck and who's already portrayed as being good at assessing since we've already seen him guess the lizard loli would pass the blue wall. And it's also the dude who recklessly jumped into a pool with a giant monster.
It seems like you don't think of these characters as characters but as archetypes. Oh, Bam can't say that or be assertive for once he's supposed to be the little pussy of the group. Rak can't use his brain he's supposed to be the retard. Khun can't trust anyone he's supposed to be Sasuke !
Just showing other sides of your personality doesn't mean you make a 180, and on the same side it could've shown Bam's growth after being carried so far and how he wants to actually participate in the teamwork.

I'm saying what I would've done to improve this shitfest of an episode, yes. And it's not about following Bam blindly. I literally told you that if there's no solution after 4 minutes and 59 seconds then there's no harm in pushing one at random.
And as I said, the worst thing about it is how they tried to be preachy to Khun at the very end while the way they found it was completely disjointed and retarded. Rak acted on his own, didn't give a fuck, didn't have anything to do with instinct since any door would've been fine, so it's not about trusting your teammates since Rak didn't give a fuck about them at that moment.

BLOODRipper said:

They are literally trying to portray Bam as a pussy, coz he's a pussy. It's his character even if you like it or not(might change in future). And did you notice that khun didn't actually look at his teammates at all during the test. The test was never about trusting your team mates, and I'm pointing out again. It's an advice from Hansung to khun that you need to rely on others and consult with them when in a tough position. He didn't even notice until Rak opened the door by himself which shows khun doesn't look at others when in a difficult situation. Thus Hansung told him to rely on people more, not Rak or not Bam but to rely on your companions. They showed Rak that time coz Rak's personality is straight forward and can be trusted as a true friend. Htf did you misinterpret that they told to follow Rak's stupidity. We all know how stupid it is to follow Rak, lol, sane people won't follow a guy who kicks open a random door. If khun paid more attention to his teammates/Rak, he could have prevented Rak from opening the door by himself. You guys don't get the depth of character given, just complain and blabbing about why rak opened the door? Rak is a retard. Why they passed the test by luck if there was no other mc that wasn't lucky before(no story would progress if the plot armor didn't protect the mc), calling Rak retard and all as if you didn't see a muscle head before. And this is the first time Rak is working in a team(I can give spoilers to prove if you want), he doesn't get teamwork at all, so khun needed to pay attention to Rak from the start as you'd do. It isn't even a critical view of this episode, it's far better than episode 1 which had a lot of loopholes. Even if you are given explanation, you just complain about a new thing and become toxic as if you just need to trash the episode, as if there was nothing good to mention in this episode/story. There were a lot of foreshadowing in this episode and new things to talk about unless you didn't get anything from it. You should seriously drop the series if you can't take those hints. All you do is complain, how shit of a episode it was while intelligent one's takes the hint and enjoy it. Your problem is why rak opened the door. It's because Rak picks random if he can't get the answer. Why was the advice important/why was the test important. Because crown game requires more teamwork, and main trio didn't have any teamwork at all during door test. If you can't see this simple thing, I won't be able to help you. Please drop it.

Whayle said:


So Bam is a pussy but he's also the dude who jumped with no hesitation straight into a pool with a giant monster inside of it with no training or experience just some random weapon a girl gave to him. Right.
Right at that exact moment they had shown that Bam is not just a one dimensional little bitch but can also be assertive and courageous, as contradictory as it is with his 6 year old child behavior though. But that's a different flaw here.

" It's an advice from Hansung to khun that you need to rely on others and consult with them when in a tough position. He didn't even notice until Rak opened the door by himself which shows khun doesn't look at others when in a difficult situation. "
Khun doesn't look at others because they're too busy fucking around. Rak was being a noisy bitch and Bam was doing who the fuck knows. Also I don't know what point are you trying to address here. I never complained about Khun's lack of trust, I complained about the others' lack of participation, how they found the solution and how preachy kimono girl was for dumb reasons.

"The test was never about trusting your team mates, and I'm pointing out again. It's an advice from Hansung to khun that you need to rely on others and consult with them when in a tough position."
If you rely on someone, you trust that person, and you can"t argue with me on that, that's common sense. The test isn't about trust, the advice is. But the advice is dumb since there was no one to rely on, just Rak fucking around like a retard.

"hus Hansung told him to rely on people more, not Rak or not Bam but to rely on your companions. They showed Rak that time coz Rak's personality is straight forward and can be trusted as a true friend. Htf did you misinterpret that they told to follow Rak's stupidity."

Khun's companions are Rak and Bam, so he basically told him to trust them (since Rak got it right). That is exactly what they were trying to convey, they even gave us a close shot of Rak's face when he said that to him. The point is, the advice is fucking dumb because had there been an actual trap behind one of these doors, then they would've gotten fucked by relying on Rak, since Rak had no clue what the solution was and just went "yeah fuck it leroy jenkins"

"If khun paid more attention to his teammates/Rak, he could have prevented Rak from opening the door by himself."
That is ABSOLUTELY NOT what they were trying to say or convey. You're just making shit up at this point.

"You guys don't get the depth of character given, just complain and blabbing about why rak opened the door? Rak is a retard. Why they passed the test by luck if there was no other mc that wasn't lucky before(no story would progress if the plot armor didn't protect the mc), calling Rak retard and all as if you didn't see a muscle head before. And this is the first time Rak is working in a team(I can give spoilers to prove if you want), he doesn't get teamwork at all, so khun needed to pay attention to Rak from the start as you'd do."

You really missed every point I made or something ? I always understood why Rak opened the door, that is why I keep calling him a retard. I didn't complain in my post either about why Bam is lucky and passed the blue wall, we already get it he's a shitty shonen MC. You're just proving that you're seeing the characters as archetypes. "Oh don't complain about all these things they're basic shonen tropes have you never seen Hunter x Hunter before ?" Yeah alright but it's still shit now isn't it ? I didn't dive into the Tower of God overhype to get hit by paint by numbers shonen No. 367 korean version
I didn't expect Rak to play a role anyway, it's pretty much established he's the dumbass of the team. Bam however, is the MC, could have had a cool moment that could not only develop his character but also his relationship with Khun, and I'm reiterating, without having to do a 180 in his personality, and at the end the advice that kimono girl or man whatever told him would have actually made sense.

And then bleh bleh bleh don't criticize my favourite manga bullshit.