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May 7, 2020 6:04 AM

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I think Rachel is a princess.

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_ZakuAbumi_ said:
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I think it is more your fault for believing in the hype


There really isn't anything in my post suggesting that I believed in the hype. On the contrary, I fully expected this to be underwhelming and that's what I got.

As I've said before, source material loyalists praising anything getting an adaptation above and beyond is the norm and after 10 years of following seasonal anime, you just don't buy into any sort of hype anymore unless you're familiar with someone's aligning tastes.


I don't see these same 'source material loyalists' praising Berserk (2016 & 2017), Tokyo Ghoul Re (Both Seasons) and Seven Deadly Sins S4 just because they got adaptations, they were torn apart by the internet because they were bad adaptations.

It sounds like you are just anti-popular culture. I don't see any problem with fans of a series, or as you call them 'source material loyalists, telling people that the series is good when they think the series is good, unless they are shoving the show down your throat or anything.

It is weird to see so much backlash for an anime that is so inoffensive... Why can't people watch the season, then complain about it. Instead of commenting the same phrases on every single episode thread that the anime is disappointing and mediocre. This is more of a comment on seasonal watching as a whole then this specific anime.
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_ZakuAbumi_ said:
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I feel much like. A lot of the storytelling, feels...stiff for the lack of a better word. There's a lot of characters running around that feel like pieces in a board, but without much of character. So far it's really only Khun that I feel like "real". Bam is a self insert avatar at this point. And there' s waaaay to much exposition on the tower itself and the princesses and such. I'd like to see more and hear less, and be more blown away with a sense of wonder.
I want to keep on watching because a lot of people rave about the source material, and there's plenty of series that have started off slow and become something special later on. But it's gonna be hard with the series fanboys mercilessly policing the threads, cracking down on dissenting views and vociferously demanding people drop the show if they even breathe a negative word about it. Reminds me of Fate fans in the early days.


Considering that we've been through half the show so far, everything raved about how amazing the crown game would be and it turned out to be a big nothingburger, source material loyalists always blindly shill their stuff no matter the source and a lot of people say "It only gets really good in the material that would require a second season!", I think you're on a losing side here.

"IT GETS BETTER I SWEAR" barely ever happens at all actually. Especially at this point.

You are saying the crown game was nothingburger without giving any specific reasons. Your opinion is indeed respectable and you are not obliged to give reasons for your opinions. However, when you are following such an approach, you shouldn't expect a logical response to your claims. In the best-case scenario, all a naysayer can tell you is that they disagree and the crown game was fantastic.

In addition, people say the story will get better by the end of 13th episode because they believe so. Just like a person who reads Berserk manga will say the same about the anime adaptation. My suggestion is that instead of mocking them, wait until the last episode.
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Best episode so far. It was a little bit over the place, but I'm starting to like this show. Rak, Anaak and Khun scenes were nice. Rachel was a bitch as I thought, there was no need to be a manhwa reader to see that coming.

really? out of all the episodes you found this exposition dump the best one?
whats your reason?

for me personally it was episode 2 or 4
because of the battle royal feeling it had


It didn't feel like an infodump for me. Episodes 1 and 5 were way worse. I liked this episode because it was the best paced so far, and had the most character interactions. And like someone else said, now finally everyone in the team has a purpose instead of Bam just being some kind of ornament.
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Verty_ said:
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Weird for you to say that when a woman got a full-force punch in the face from a guy in episode four.
May 7, 2020 8:13 AM

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So, those "10 friends" also include yourself

Also, has Bam ever accepted the bet with Anaak? I don't remember him ever agreeing to it

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KorhalChild said:
Best episode so far. It was a little bit over the place, but I'm starting to like this show. Rak, Anaak and Khun scenes were nice. Rachel was a bitch as I thought, there was no need to be a manhwa reader to see that coming.


Please don't spoil for other. If you already read and know about it, keep it to yourself. That's just dropping hints.
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May 7, 2020 8:25 AM

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Great Episode. Bam got lucky for still being in the game. Rak the fuckin' Tsundere. Lol
The princesses messing with each other. Lizard Loli seems strong tbh.
May 7, 2020 8:35 AM
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_ZakuAbumi_ said:
Is this the new SAO because it certainly reeks off it.

I just don't get the appeal. I mean, SAO was worse and all but at least I could understand in theory why people were drawn to it. This all around feels like those amateurish Chinese anime in terms of writing.

It actually reminds me a lot of HxH's Hunter Exam arc and Alice in Borderland, just... bad. The episode itself also didn't help matters whatsoever. It's nigh impossible to care about the princess/weapon conflict at all. The part at the dinner table was more interesting than that for actually letting characters interact organically.

It feels similar at first because of the climbing tower thing (even thouht Aincrad is just a small part of SAO), but no, at some point the goal will change from climbing the tower to something else. Can say more without spoiling.
May 7, 2020 8:39 AM
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In the webtoon it was not a bet it was a forced rule added to the game, I don't know the reason for the change.

They did convert it into a forced rule after Bam agreed to it in the anime

but yeah he was still forced to agree with it so it dosent make it right

anaak is just a spoiled brat who wants a toy that belongs to someone else
May 7, 2020 9:01 AM

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Best episode so far. It was a little bit over the place, but I'm starting to like this show. Rak, Anaak and Khun scenes were nice. Rachel was a bitch as I thought, there was no need to be a manhwa reader to see that coming.


Please don't spoil for other. If you already read and know about it, keep it to yourself. That's just dropping hints.


What spoiler? I'm anime-only, I hated her since episode one and that's a conclusion I got from this very episode we are discussing, so I don't know what you're talking about...
Sorry, now that I read carefully I messed when writing that comment. I meant to say that, as an anime-only, I could see that coming without prior knowledge of the source-material.
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Anaak is out for revenge and nothing else. It means very little to her at this point to kill Bam to get a more powerful weapon (black march is a higher ranked equipment than green april) to better get her revenge (although at this point good fucking luck). Spoiled certainly isn't the right word. She grew up poor and is an orphan.
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Pretty sure it was implied on the very first test (after Headon). Climbing the tower is a man eats man world. You submit to the strong one.

This episode pretty much hints, though not explicitly said, Anaak's goal in obtaining Black March. She said she will kill everyone named Jahad. 13 Month Weapons are only given to Jahad PRINCESS. Bam is obviously a guy, so Black March is not originally his. Even supposing that Bam stole it or it was lent to him, if she got the Black March, the original owner, a jahad princess, will come to her.
May 7, 2020 9:22 AM
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Actually lending a 13 monthly series weapon is against the tower rules and is punishable by execution (which they sort of mention when she lends it) so all Anaak would have to do is somehow inform Jahad that she has black march somehow and Jahad would presumably execute Yuri. Yuri does get some special treatment though so who knows what would actually happen.
May 7, 2020 9:29 AM

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Actually lending a 13 monthly series weapon is against the tower rules and is punishable by execution (which they sort of mention when she lends it) so all Anaak would have to do is somehow inform Jahad that she has black march somehow and Jahad would presumably execute Yuri. Yuri does get some special treatment though so who knows what would actually happen.


I don't think Anaak would be glad to be done a favor by an enemy though? And please lay off the spoilers. Nowhere in the current anime suggests that she gets special treatment, only that she is a rule breaker.
May 7, 2020 11:50 AM

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While she is an okay written Character I still hate the fact she has Black March and is walking around like she is hot shit. I won't say I hate her because that is a strong word but Anaak is literally the worst character in this anime. SO FAR (Considering I hear a lot of people hate Rachel apparently)

Meanwhile Kuhn and Rak continue to be two of the best characters and I am liking Endorsi a lot. I'm interested to learn more about her and what her role is as a Princess and also being in a team with Rachel.
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Actually lending a 13 monthly series weapon is against the tower rules and is punishable by execution (which they sort of mention when she lends it) so all Anaak would have to do is somehow inform Jahad that she has black march somehow and Jahad would presumably execute Yuri. Yuri does get some special treatment though so who knows what would actually happen.


I don't think Anaak would be glad to be done a favor by an enemy though? And please lay off the spoilers. Nowhere in the current anime suggests that she gets special treatment, only that she is a rule breaker.
I'm a reader, he's speculating, it's not spoiler.
May 7, 2020 12:11 PM

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I'm only a few chapters ahead and I never noticed how protective Khun is with Bam.

I still don't understand Rachel.

But this episode was really good loved all the facial expressions.
May 7, 2020 2:15 PM
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So much hostility from Anak, she needs to chill.

The Positions in battle are interesting though. Wish they would've expanded more on that beyond a basic description 😣

Wave controllers were elaborated on a lot more since in the webtoon we get to see some of Bams classes but that was cut out.
May 7, 2020 2:42 PM

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yuzuruhanyuu said:
I'm a reader, he's speculating, it's not spoiler.


His term is "she 'does' get a special treatment" and I rejected his claim with only what we have at the current episode.



And I also read the webtoon, just so you know.
May 7, 2020 3:49 PM
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I legit thought they mentioned that in episode 1 when they were talking about her getting in trouble. My bad. At least that info doesn't really spoil anything.
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dzn018 said:
yuzuruhanyuu said:
I'm a reader, he's speculating, it's not spoiler.


His term is "she 'does' get a special treatment" and I rejected his claim with only what we have at the current episode.



And I also read the webtoon, just so you know.


Damn people are sensitive on spoilers about this show. You mention one little detail, even a deduction, and people start saying its a spoiler...
Don't get me wrong, I hate spoilers like everybody else, but not even allow people to theorize is another extreme.
May 7, 2020 5:55 PM

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so basically so far, khun and rak are the only really likeable main characters?

i haven't read the webtoon and i'm enjoying the show but all the other main cast so far kinda just seems unlikeable. maybe that's by design? hopefully they get better
May 7, 2020 6:24 PM

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I don't know what is so exciting to people here? All of this shit is far better done in other anime. Also, the fight animation is so weak, literally. I mean the punches, kicks, etc don't convey any sense of impact. All seem very floaty.
May 7, 2020 6:43 PM

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Best episode so far. It was a little bit over the place, but I'm starting to like this show. Rak, Anaak and Khun scenes were nice. Rachel was a bitch as I thought, there was no need to be a manhwa reader to see that coming.

really? out of all the episodes you found this exposition dump the best one?
whats your reason?

for me personally it was episode 2 or 4
because of the battle royal feeling it had


Episode 2 was best for me personally.
May 7, 2020 7:01 PM

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yeah but it certainly isnt original you will have to admit that


why do i never see anyone shitting on my hero academia for literally copying every single trope in existance while also having extremely bland characters?
apparently people are prasing that show to the max,
same with demon slayer?demon-slayer literally has the most clique writing being hard carried by unlimited budget works studio and yet tog used a single trope and all of the sudden its apparently bad?

do all you people care about is fucking animation quality? or are you guys just hating on this for being from a korean manga? i've seen this same level criticism for other non japanese works like RADIANT for example, even though i could literally give parallel examples of other japanese shows that use these same tropes and apparently its good when a japanese manga does it.
people are just fuckign weeaboos and hate on everything not japanese originated


Calm your tits sherlock. Tropes are used in many shows. That's how they're tropes in the first place. The reason MHA and Demon Slayer get praise and not this is execution. You really seem to underestimate the importance of direction, pacing and animation in an anime. All of which are essential or atleast can be used to greatly enhance anime. All the flaws in execution can really accentuate a weak plot and/or characters. It's not what you use, it's how you use.

I was pretty excited to see this manhwa animated but this adaptation isn't looking that good.
May 7, 2020 7:06 PM

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this show at it's current stage still feels far too fan fiction-ish of other shounen works but the ending for once had me intrigued on top of the layers of unclear mentioning's of things this show has been piling on from the start it leaves you with a lot of desire to learn what the hell anything means in this world and i can't tell if it's due to the anime or not since it appears their leaving things out (from what readers have said) which seems like a bad call since a vast majority of events that unfold are hardly explained till a new one pops up and thus the previous question is forgotten lol.


also anyone noticed the paint level pixel on Rachel's freckles in one of the shots of her was like wait that looks like someone just did those in paint !


Apparently that is what TOG fans like about it. They think unanswered questions without proper build up is mystery.

Yes, I agree the art is rough and the color palette is disgusting.
May 7, 2020 7:07 PM

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oh man! another great episode!
you could clearly feel and see the RAGE of Anak Jahad!
5/5.


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To be honest, the reaction of people is more interesting than watching the anime itself. Not because the anime is bad, but because it is quite the interesting social study thing.

There are readers of the original work that are shitting on the anime, because it is not an exact copy of the source material and it is not perfect (sorry guys, adapting will always transform material and perfect is not something that exists outside of your own head).

There are the typical contra hype people that shit on something because it is popular, just to poke the nest of people that enjoy the show or for some other reason (like insecurity of liking something other people like).

Then there are the fanboys that praise the show to 10/10, just because they like the source material, or because they are not differential enough and say everything they like is the best thing since sliced bread.

And at last there are the source material readers that are hyped that their beloved story gets animated (something nobody thought possible for something like a webtoon), something that at least makes a moderate amount of sense.

The differences don't even end there, that seems to be only the starting point. While everybody is wary of spoilers (for good reason one might say, this story has some surprising twists and turns), you can clearly identify different types of viewers, since the show needs you to connect the dots on your own, if you want to understand a lot of the deeper mechanics and story beats.

The most hilarious example comes with this episode 6 and Anaaks backstory. The difference between people that pay attention and connect the dots (unless you know the source material of course) is staggering.

The first bit of information connected to her backstory is given to us in the scene Endorsi is introduced to the main cast. In addition to the fact that she calls Anaak an imposter (again) she explains a bit about the princesses and their restrictions (not allowed to love; shoes on display (you can look but not touch)).
That point seems to be already missed or forgotten by most people when we get to the later parts, clearly dividing the viewers already.

The second part comes when the Endorsi vs Anaak fight gets underway, while Khun is checking on the background of the people that are in the same test with him, which reveals the next parts, that Anaak is a Ranker, a princess that got a 13 month series (Green April) and that is already dead.
This is the point where attentive viewers are starting to connect the dots, but others are either wondering or are already floundering.

The third part starts with Endorsis and Anaaks dialogue during the fight downtime and the flashback that is happening at nearly the same time. Endorsi reveals that she believes and wanted to confirm that Anaak is her niece and that this also was the reason she threw the crown game, that she could have won if she wanted to (in addition it reveals that Rachel also asked her to help Bams group, but that is more side information). The flashback reveals Endorsis assumption to be the truth. Anaak jr. is clearly the child of Anaak the Ranker and princess, and she was killed by Jahads forces/other princesses.

These are the dots you have to connect to form a clear picture about Anaaks backstory and with the last part most viewers that watched and paid attention will have no problems to connect these dots, while others that are either not used to do so, or just plain refuse to connect those dots end up confused.
For people that don't get let me write this out in short:
Princesses are not allowed to love, which means that Anaak (mother) broke a rule as a princess by marriage and child bearing and was successfully annihilated, Anaak jr. managed to survive and secure her mothers weapon and joined the tower to take revenge on the ruling family in the tower.

The differences in viewer ability is just another hilarious aspect, on top of the aforementioned groups, that hype or counterhype the show. In the end the show might even be educational to pay attention to what you are watching, which can help some people to get over the clichee bound shounen genre that usually doesn't need that kind of ability to connect dots.
Maybe we should even be thankful that there is a seemingly mainstream show that might educate people to get into more complex shows?

(This was only one example of many in this episode that could be found by connecting dots. The point system or positions is another. I don't say this is extremely complicated, but it forces you to not half ass the show in the background if you want to catch the finer detail that is hidden in the show.)

Seeing the differences in reaction of people reinforcing their prebuild notions and people on different levels trying to discern the episodes is what I find so fascinating about this show, it might even be more fascinating than the show itself.
I will just be on the lookout and watch some more reaction/reviews or read through forums amusing myself with people boneheading in one direction or the other.
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Huh? He was being a caterpillar the whole time LMAO.. they'll probably show him more when everyone has finished their test and it goes to the next game



I am talking about a specific scene. But in retrospect, it makes sense they didn't put it. We've seen enough of Baam the monster now so we know. Besides, the flow of the classes would have been wrecked I guess. But it doesn't mean a certain character can do it in a later episode which.... i am not sure is going to be shown as it has become a little irrelevant now.


So was Naruto (a monster that is). Did that mean he was able to control the power how he wanted from the get go? Obviously not. He had to train.
Now Bam already making water rasengans. Who taught him? I wondered. Glad it's just this shitty adaptation.
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Not gonna lie I binged the last 6 episodes. Its way better than I expected. My main concern given how its an adaption of an unfinished source is the ending. It will definitely be open. And Idk how long we have to wait for sequels.

The "reverse Made in Abyss" vibe is gone now though. Feels less mysterial than in the beginning.
There is lots of potential for cringe but so far its fine.

Lizard princess is entertaining to watch, so is the other princess.

I do feel like we are forcefully underinformed for the sake of curiosity, which is fine as the MC also doesnt know shit, but right now he isnt interesting and holds the other characters back.
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Not gonna lie I binged the last 6 episodes. Its way better than I expected. My main concern given how its an adaption of an unfinished source is the ending. It will definitely be open. And Idk how long we have to wait for sequels.

The "reverse Made in Abyss" vibe is gone now though. Feels less mysterial than in the beginning.
There is lots of potential for cringe but so far its fine.

Lizard princess is entertaining to watch, so is the other princess.

I do feel like we are forcefully underinformed for the sake of curiosity, which is fine as the MC also doesnt know shit, but right now he isnt interesting and holds the other characters back.


Hey don't you get it. It's mystery. All of these unanswered things and dropping shit left and right without build up is mystery. /s
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The mystery elements develop so organically as more of the world is revealed to us. I honestly prefer the world building episodes over the combat.

And based off that last flashback- Anaak is green Sasuke
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All i can say is Endorsi is a real babe.
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Quick clarification question.

Bam lost his sword to a bet in Episode 5 right? Anyone recall what that bet was? A brief scene of her taking the sword would've been helpful... started out the episode like, "wtf does she have his sword for?"
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So many things happened in this episode. Khun noticed Rachel’s intentions, actually, Bam and Rachel could go in the same team, despite the fact that it would be very weak, but I think that’s not what Rachel has in her mind. Ho really wanted to cause an impression, despite his obvious fatigue which Laure noticed. Leesoo has an interesting test, befriend Hatsu, Khun and Androssi… interesting. So, is Rachel a princess then? I’m kind of getting irritated by Anak’s reactions, I now know what happened, but she’s just mean and entitled to everything. So, who is this Zahard guy.
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So many things happened in this episode. Khun noticed Rachel’s intentions, actually, Bam and Rachel could go in the same team, despite the fact that it would be very weak, but I think that’s not what Rachel has in her mind. Ho really wanted to cause an impression, despite his obvious fatigue which Laure noticed. Leesoo has an interesting test, befriend Hatsu, Khun and Androssi… interesting. So, is Rachel a princess then? I’m kind of getting irritated by Anak’s reactions, I now know what happened, but she’s just mean and entitled to everything. So, who is this Zahard guy.


well zahard is obviously the king
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Quick clarification question.

Bam lost his sword to a bet in Episode 5 right? Anyone recall what that bet was? A brief scene of her taking the sword would've been helpful... started out the episode like, "wtf does she have his sword for?"


The only thing I remember is a brief scene of Anak having the sword at the end of the last episode, they never showed a scene of Bam giving it, also he was unconscious, so probably Khun let her take it.
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So many things happened in this episode. Khun noticed Rachel’s intentions, actually, Bam and Rachel could go in the same team, despite the fact that it would be very weak, but I think that’s not what Rachel has in her mind. Ho really wanted to cause an impression, despite his obvious fatigue which Laure noticed. Leesoo has an interesting test, befriend Hatsu, Khun and Androssi… interesting. So, is Rachel a princess then? I’m kind of getting irritated by Anak’s reactions, I now know what happened, but she’s just mean and entitled to everything. So, who is this Zahard guy.


well zahard is obviously the king


I meant more about the transcendence of the character, Anak, Androssi, Yuri and probably Rachel are related to him, but I think that's something I'm gonna discover in the future.
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Atlas77 said:
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well zahard is obviously the king


I meant more about the transcendence of the character, Anak, Androssi, Yuri and probably Rachel are related to him, but I think that's something I'm gonna discover in the future.


even in webtoon we have not seen much about the king
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Well this is getting interesting. I'm sorta getting why Rachel is getting so much hate lmao
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Even when reading the manhua i never understood the battle positions, now seeing it explained in anime form, i still don't understand, fisherman and spear bearer seem straightforward but the remaining seem a bit redundant and overlap in certain sections.

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I am talking about a specific scene. But in retrospect, it makes sense they didn't put it. We've seen enough of Baam the monster now so we know. Besides, the flow of the classes would have been wrecked I guess. But it doesn't mean a certain character can do it in a later episode which.... i am not sure is going to be shown as it has become a little irrelevant now.


So was Naruto (a monster that is). Did that mean he was able to control the power how he wanted from the get go? Obviously not. He had to train.
Now Bam already making water rasengans. Who taught him? I wondered. Glad it's just this shitty adaptation.


Wth are you even talking about?

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Even when reading the manhua i never understood the battle positions, now seeing it explained in anime form, i still don't understand, fisherman and spear bearer seem straightforward but the remaining seem a bit redundant and overlap in certain sections.


Manwha. Manhua is chinese.

The fisherman is the warrior type and the spear bearer is supposed to be the archer/lancer type kind of thing.
The light bearer is self explanatory. The scout is self explanatory.
The wave controller controls shinsu mostly but they were supposed to support their allies as well


It's so simple and intuitive that I'm wondering what you don't understand?
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Atleast this episode gives a breathing room for Rachel. I feel like the anime onlys are a bit too spoiled on her character.
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If you play league it's easy.

Fisherman = top
Scout = jungle
Wave Controller = mid
Spearbearer = adc
Lightbringer = support

There are special positions as well like navigator which we saw in episode 1 (the short silver haired dwarf talking to Yuri). Also nothing stops people from doing multiple roles. A wave controller could pick up a needle and fight on the front line if he wanted to.
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I don't like Rachel much, couldn't she just talk to Bam about it and not force Khun to lie to Bam? Also, am I the only one thinking that Khun likes Bam?

Just me?

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Come on someone just kill that lizard girl already. She pisses me off with that attitude of hers. I don't care about her motives, or that she just wants revenge, I still can't stand her.
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zwolf12 said:
To be honest, the reaction of people is more interesting than watching the anime itself. Not because the anime is bad, but because it is quite the interesting social study thing.

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Seeing the differences in reaction of people reinforcing their prebuild notions and people on different levels trying to discern the episodes is what I find so fascinating about this show, it might even be more fascinating than the show itself.
I will just be on the lookout and watch some more reaction/reviews or read through forums amusing myself with people boneheading in one direction or the other.


Dude, I can't belive someone on this forum actualy have a brain ! You made me revive my 5 years old dead account just to answer this. Go read his whole post guys realy.

But honestly, people reactions don't even surprise me. Nowaday people want animes that start with a banger and go crazy from the get go. Plus, they don't want to think. Yes there is some animes that start slow, and the very same people might even consider those as "Greatest Anime of all time", but the big difference is that these old animes (like let's say HxH as MANY people are comparing both) is that they saw them when airing was already done. Doesn't sounds like much ? well, I can't even imagine what kind of thread "great" long run animes would get after 3 - 4 episodes when the story didn't even started yet and without knowing anything else about the show prior. This is just ridiculous imo.

For exemple, if one day something such as Solo Leveling get animated, it will get crazy 10/10 ratings, because it get crazy right away, meanwhile the story is just about hype and there isn't that much lores and story telling behind it. But that's what people want nowaday (and it doesn't apply for animes only btw).

But ToG start slow, there isn't that much huge hype stuffs in the first parts, and mostly, it requires you to think while following it. In ToG (aside gag talks) basicaly every single talk and bit of information have their own importance, especialy at start (aka, first 100 chapters), and even more so in the anime as they are condensing the story even more.

If you wanna watch ToG like an Hype show, then you better just leave and come back binge watch when there is 100 episodes released. You will get hype at that point. But right now aside MAYBE at the very end of this season (not even sure if they will adapt that far even), dont expect any huge hype stuffs. And if you don't wanna make your brain work (which I can understand, many people wanna watch animes brain-off), then you will probably find this whole show rather boring and confusing.
Also, ToG will keep adding chars, that have obviously their own importance inside current arc but unlike most huge stories, many also have huge importance in the whole tower & story itself. Meaning you also need to keep up with that. if you can't handle more than 10 main char + 10 temporary side char (like most story do), it's going to be very difficult for you. ToG require you to think and get invested in it own world.

I have to admit, the adaptation is indeed not amazing, it could have been worst, but it could have been way better (especialy shinshu is poorly done, and fights lacks impact imo). I still thinks it's a good "crash test" (because don't forget they are actualy taking a huge risk in making webtoons as anime, it's new markets, you never know how things might turn), and I hope next season(s) will have more quality (and less rushing) into it, now that they know there is audience behind it. Also, the first season of the webtoon was not that well drawn so big up to the animators to make things look good using the recent chapters artstyle quality. I can't imagine how ugly it would have been if they went with S1 artstyle.

Also For people wondering "people keep saying the story is long, but how long is it really"
Well, there is about 500 Chapters right now, and chapters 250 to present are (on average) 2.5 times longer than chapters 0 - 250 (see https://i.redd.it/avjfm5iaoxo41.png)
So if we keep current chapters lengh as base, it's as if the story have ~850 chapters, nearly as long as One Piece. And this adaptation is barely doing 60 - 70 of them ! (so like 8%) even tho they are (sadly) rushing it.
And the story is not even half way yet.

For people saying "we don't know much about Bam/Rachel relation" ??? We dont know everything but we already know more than enough.
There is not much to know : Bam was stuck underground, and rachel (that came from above), found him. Bam didn't knew anything, no even who he is, so everything in his world is what Rachel taught him, he had nothing else, just Rachel and this underground cave, Rachel was LITERALY everything for him. He never left the cave (or at least there is no hint he ever did) until he went in the tower. So obviously the dude fear to be separated from her. It's dependency.
Btw, Webtoon readers don't realy know much more from Bam/Rachel relation prior the tower either. Tho it's obvious there is "something" more, that Bam himself don't even know/remember.
And as seen in this episode, Rachel is seeing that bam is slowly able to make friends on his own, that her hold on him is slowly slipping away, leaving her alone as she isn't making any, and it makes her scared/angry.

For the positions I see people still confused, but it's pretty simple (and explained) :
Fisherman = The one at the front, melee attacker, usualy with sword and/or fists, and strong body defense.
Spear Bearer = Ranged Attacker, just like it name say, they usualy use a Spear (or any projectile you can throw/fire from far), they usualy support Fisherman in the attacks.
Wave Controller = Basicaly magician, they are the most versatile, from support to huge attacks, melee or ranged, they use Shinshu however they wish.
Scout = Litteraly Scouting, sneak in and gather informations on the battlefield, then relay it to the Lightbearer via Pocket or Lighthouse (their communication thingy)
Light Bearer = Gather, process and relay information to everyone via Pocket/Lighthouse, they are NOT on the battlefield (they stay hidden away), but they are the one who controls it.

For people saying "Lero-Ro saved Bam by putting him in Wave Controller", it's simply isn't true. In the previous episodes you can see him gathering all sort of datas while watching the ongoing tests. This is how he decided the main position for each of them. Bam was simply lucky.
Also notice I said "main position", because you are obviously not stuck to one position (they can do whatever they want afterall), the position assigned is simply the one they have most affinity with. And, just like we saw with Anaak for exemple, anyone can use Shinshu, not only Wave Controller. Wave Controllers just excel at it more than the others.

And for the ones still asking "What's a Ranker"/ "are protagonist Rankers"
Episode 2 : A ranker is someone who's climbed to the "top" of the tower, where the king Jahad is. They are insanely powerful beings. And before reaching that point you are a Regular" (or irregular like Bam but that's a very very verrrry rare case).
So far we seen a fiew rankers : Yuri, Evan (the little dude with Yuri), Lero-Ro, Yu Han Sung (the dude drinking instant coffes), Quant (the little dude with red hair who did rachel test), Anak's mother.
Administrators such as Headon (the dude we see at episode 1 inviting Bam in the tower with ball test), or the huge thing Bam contracted with to use Shinshu (even tho he can freely use it without contract, hence why Administrator told him "this is nothing but a shackle to you"). These are NOT Rankers, they are basicaly a part of the tower itself, they rules over shinshu and keep an eye on things on their own floors.
Like Headon said to Yuri in Chap3 (yet another important dialogue that didn't got adaptated in anime) : "I simply- test those who enter the Tower. And the test reflects the worth of what they desire. That is the duty of the Administrators of this Tower." - Headon
So from the informations we got we can understand that Administrators are beings that rule over the Shinshu of their Floor. Their duty is to give tests to those who wish to climb the Tower and such tests reflect the "worth of the things they want" so they may proceed to the next Floor. However, as we are seeing right now, nowaday Rankers are appointed as examiners who can conduct the tests on behalf of the Administrators for those Floors.
And now you might start to see something's aint right as Administrators are supposed to rule over the Shinshu of their Floor, but being like Bam can use it freely on their own. I'll leave you on that.

Enjoy your story about Michel Light who wanna see the stars, and the Night running after her.
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All I can say is can't wait for episode 7. That's all I'm gonna say
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