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| After the very good start I had high expectations in this series, but the last the episodes were rather disappointing. The only thing I saw were more lolis and even more encounters with the ridiculously stupid spear hero and his redhaired betrayal queen, but almost no story / character development and no more cool fights. I really hope this gets better, because I really liked the concept of that show. |
| I had a feeling Melty would be related to Myne or "Malty" based on their names. I'm really happy she intervened like that and shut the red head bitch up. We really need more people on Shield Heroes side. Now I can understand why Naofumi would be cautious when speaking with royals, but she did get your ass out of a pretty annoying situation like 10 minutes ago. I hope the other cast members reason with him next ep and he actually hears out Melty. |
| Does the church's cross have the shield symbol in it? Or it's just me overthinking |
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| I get why everyone loves this series, and it's much better than the majority of isekai, but it relies far too much on hate porn; it's single biggest flaw is relying on anger for attention. It's just annoying to see the antagonists be comic book villains 100% of the time. The whole "church is evil" trope isn't helping either. Tate No Yuusha makes the antagonists too generic. Everything else is so enjoyable, but the hate porn and then by extension Naofumi's edginess just pollute it. |
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Daniel_Dreiberg said: No. Those are rays of light. You will notice Naofumi shields are mostly heater shields. If that would be a shield it would be a round shield.Does the church's cross have the shield symbol in it? Or it's just me overthinking |
Yourmom53 said: What do you mean consequeces are null? Can you elaborate?What is even the appeal of this show, at first I thought it was going to follow a morally ambiguous MC who got falsely accused of rape and hast to suffer the infamy but now its turning into every other generic isekai show where consequences are basically null |
Melisolune said: That is not a shield. Those are rays of light. Notice Naofumi has a heater shield while that if it were one would be a round shield.The shield was inside of the church instead of outside, right?? I feel like they didn't really touch on a fleeting scene. --- Also, there were many cute scenes with Filo and Melty alongside with Raph and Naofumi~ xD! I definitely enjoyed the part where they thought Filo ate Melty. It makes sense that Naofumi can't easily trust Melty after the shit Myne did to him. I'm excited to see what happens in the future now that Melty is introduced! Motoyasu is definitely just there for joke fodder and honestly a waste of screen space. You might as well have more savagery between Melty and Myne. |
nightcrawlercyp said: Daniel_Dreiberg said: No. Those are rays of light. You will notice Naofumi shields are mostly heater shields. If that would be a shield it would be a round shield.Does the church's cross have the shield symbol in it? Or it's just me overthinking nightcrawlercyp said: Yourmom53 said: What do you mean consequeces are null? Can you elaborate?What is even the appeal of this show, at first I thought it was going to follow a morally ambiguous MC who got falsely accused of rape and hast to suffer the infamy but now its turning into every other generic isekai show where consequences are basically null nightcrawlercyp said: Melisolune said: That is not a shield. Those are rays of light. Notice Naofumi has a heater shield while that if it were one would be a round shield.The shield was inside of the church instead of outside, right?? I feel like they didn't really touch on a fleeting scene. --- Also, there were many cute scenes with Filo and Melty alongside with Raph and Naofumi~ xD! I definitely enjoyed the part where they thought Filo ate Melty. It makes sense that Naofumi can't easily trust Melty after the shit Myne did to him. I'm excited to see what happens in the future now that Melty is introduced! Motoyasu is definitely just there for joke fodder and honestly a waste of screen space. You might as well have more savagery between Melty and Myne. 1. Stop making a new post with each comment you reply to. Just do what I'm doing and quote all of them at the same time. 2. Your argument makes no sense because; A. They're not 'rays of light' and B. Having a 'healer shield' has nothing to do with it being round or not. The shield takes on different shapes/and the book shield just happens to increase the effectiveness of potions and other healing items. Which is what was needed in the village and when treating Raphtalia.  |
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Demyx_IX said: 1. good advice! Thank you! 2. A why do you say there are not rays of light? I can show you plenty of crosses that look like this. B. a heater shield not a healer shield. A heater shield has the shape of an clothes iron thus the name. Most of his shields have that shape and so far I have seen no circular dome shield 3. This is explained further in later episodes but I do not want to spoil anything.nightcrawlercyp said: No. Those are rays of light. You will notice Naofumi shields are mostly heater shields. If that would be a shield it would be a round shield. nightcrawlercyp said: What do you mean consequeces are null? Can you elaborate? nightcrawlercyp said: That is not a shield. Those are rays of light. Notice Naofumi has a heater shield while that if it were one would be a round shield. 1. Stop making a new post with each comment you reply to. Just do what I'm doing and quote all of them at the same time. 2. Your argument makes no sense because; A. They're not 'rays of light' and B. Having a 'healer shield' has nothing to do with it being round or not. The shield takes on different shapes/and the book shield just happens to increase the effectiveness of potions and other healing items. Which is what was needed in the village and when treating Raphtalia. |
FreezePeach said: BlackLatias said: I did not ignore you. It just that I don't have to accept any ridiculous explanation you can think of. You said it to me specifically in specific circumstances. You can backpedal all you want, that's what happened.And you ignored me. I said I didn't mean you specifically. I am not backpedaling. You just misunderstood me and that is your problem, not mine. It was a generalization and I didn't even mean it for Shield Hero but also anime in general. That you (any viewer) can like it (any anime) but still be able to critize it. Nothing more, nothing less. Edit: I did consult with a friend about my word choice and to make my actual statement more apparent a better fit would've been "One can like an anime, but still admit/say..." do I care if you believe me? No. But I do admit if I could've explained things better and so here we are. BlackLatias said: No, YOU doing it again. You said an obviously stupid thing - "the anime limits itself ... We don't get to hear the amount of thinking he does in the LN, for example". I explained why this is stupid, you tried to deflect it with "I never said they have to include his monologuing" which is again stupid because realistically there is no other way. I pointed out this obvious fact and asked you to give a good example of preserving LN level of character though process in anime without monologuing. You can't, so you keep deflecting "I never said". I never ignored you, I explained you in details why your claim is stupid. You repeating it again and again doesn't make it any less stupid, it makes you look like a parrot.You're doing it again. I said that I don't expect them to keep the monologuing of Nao. Because you just misunderstand everything. I wanted to explain how the anime still 'limits' itself. It obviously doesn't keep the monologuing, because it is not out of Nao's first person perspective. But it still behaves that way. We only see things with Naofumi as the center (he is obviously the MC, but still) they could've given Melty a more differing first appearance with showing us how she got there. An episode to introduce her and Nao and the others only appearing at the end. And Melty would have had enough to show for a full episode. Would it be needed? No, not at all. Would it have been interesting? Yes, I do think so. Can you by chance now understand what I mean with 'limiting'? Maybe it again was a poor word choice on my behalf, but you are really hung up on it and I am sorry it escalated like this. And I couldn't even give you other examples for LN differing anime, because Shield Hero is the only LN I have read. "I just mentioned it to explain the difference of pov between the two media, that's all." - no, you said "the anime limits itself by going with Naofumi's pov ... we don't get to hear the amount of thinking he does in the LN, for example". Claiming that this was a general comment about media is ridiculous. It was specific targeted criticism. You are backpedalling again and lying in the process. Boring and dumb. You as well only repeat. I explained what exactly I meant with it above and I never even said it was about all media? It could again be faulty word choice, but I digress. BlackLatias said: Wow. One more time - anime episodes split the story in small chunks. Anime makers are trying to make them watchable as separate small stories without interrupting e.g. dragon fight in the middle. There was not enough story in episode 7 (plant and village) to fill entire episode and the next story part (dragon) couldn't fit into the rest of episode 7 without splitting it, so episode 7 had to be padded with "filler" so that dragon story could happen in episode 8. You not mentioning dragon is completely irrelevant. Even if English is not your native language, how didn't you get this simple idea?And I never even mentioned the ep with the dragon, it didn't even have parts of an extra chapter in it. I do get it, but the hot spring still wasn't only filler. It served to develop Filo's and Raphtalia's relationship with each other. I would hardly call it filler, though the anime was heavy handed with it. BlackLatias said: Yeah, it is easy to disagree with you because you make so little sense and your argumentation is limited to "I don't like it, it could be done better". If they were not "lazy" and expanded the travel montage it would take much more screen time without adding anything to the story and they would have to stop the story in some weird place, like in the middle of Motoyasu's attack. Bad idea.Let's again agree to disagree, I think they are a lazy way of trying to make us care for the characterss. This is on top of your "bright" idea about saving MC's thought process from LN simultaneously magically avoiding monologuing. Yeah, this anime would be in real trouble if it accepted your help in doing it better. I don't see any reason to continue this discussion. Have a nice day. But to develop characters in a good way, so that viewers can sympathize with them would hardly be nothing added to the story? I mean, I read often enough that viewers can't really care about them and the montages might be a part of it. You feel kind of left out and it makes it harder to care for them that way... You misunderstood me, that's why. I wanted to (apparently poorly) explain how I felt the anime was still glued to Naofumi, even though they don't really need to, since the anime is not exclusively out of his pov. And I gladly agree, it is useless to further continue, as you are as repetitive for me as I am to you! Nice day as well. |
BlackLatiasMar 8, 2019 2:27 AM
| Heyo, welcome to the party Melty |
| “I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
| Even the backgrounds behind the sisters are used for foreshadowing, neat. |
| I mean, I can't blame Naofumi on not trusting Melty after the desperate the thrown got him into, he suffered from severe trust issues that are very hard to cure. Not even a 100 gold coin can cure that kind of curse. I hate stuff like this, once again, the opening spoiled a pretty big detail, I've been expecting a blue-haired fella to have ties to that bratty princess and here she is if only they held back with the spoilers. Even I can tell that Melty is different in that regard, so as to say, at least, Naofumi's got backing from the crown's side. The spear hero is relatable to most neckbeards I see, a respected follower of their holly lolicon cult. |
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malMaxi said: @BlackLatias @FreezePeach Here is a wild take - I do agree that the anime "limits itself". However, that seems to be the whole thing that is making it stand out from the others and make it good :D Oh? How so? I haven't seen it as a thing to make it stand out from other series, but that might just be because I am kind of disappointed of the anime after ep 4 aired. The last episode was better again though. Self-limitation is not a bad thing. An anime limiting itself is not really a criticism. Think bonsai trees :D. They are all about becoming great through being properly limited. That's the kind of culture at work here, and ep.9 episode demonstrates it the best of all released so far. It really isn't bad (I like your analogy here :D), I just think Shield Hero could do more if it would expand more on the characters and give the other heroes a bit more screentime or give the characters better introductory episodes. Personally I would have loved to actually be a part of the shown scenes in the montages. That might just be me though, since I love slice of life parts and I would've enjoyed them greatly. |
malMaxi said: Just so you know, Melty isn't sent back by the Queen to get shit under control. She's sent back for a far more idiotic reason that is a bit spoilery.SSL443 said: You said she's been sent by the queen to "get things under control". Why is that her responsibility? Doesn't the queen have a cabinet of advisors, a regent/viceroy? For that matter, why does anyone need to "get things under control"? It's not like established protocols just break down when the monarch isn't around to babysit. They do break down when another idiot princess with full support of the king is running roughshod when the queen is abroad, though. And it is not like there have been few RL examples of exactly that kind of thing happening. And yeah, the queen does have aides in the form of ninjas. Which do occasionally intervene, if a direct order is given. Them not acting more confidently or independently serves as foreshadowing of the kingdom's political issues. I'll also point out that being a member of a royal family doesn't necessarily grant any political authority. You clearly haven't heard the term "King/Queen Consort" before. Apparently it does in this show. Which is also perfectly okay, as the only real source of power we see so far is basically the King himself (no Parliament, no nobles, the Queen is mostly an absent factor for now, the Church is kinda in the background as well). SSL443 said: Yes, this has been a theme of the show. Cram "characterization" into one episode or less and then try to use that to leverage the next plot point. Once again, it's like the author and/or director doesn't know how to actually write deep characters that the viewer will care about; so instead they just go through the motions, tell us what we are *supposed* to think, and move on to the next thing. In fact I thought there were some parts of the first half of the episode with potential, but rushing into the last third mostly quashed that. At this point, i can't help but purely wonder, where does all this confidence in judging the quality of characterization comes from. Well, as you said, you can have your opinion. After all, nothing in this world is easier than being a couch critic of people doing actual work :D. However, once people decide, for the third time in a row, to introduce a character in a certain way, i would start thinking that maybe they do actually have an idea of what they are doing. Something that you overlooked maybe? |
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malMaxi said: After all, nothing in this world is easier than being a couch critic of people doing actual work :D. That old chestnut. The classic refrain of people whining about criticism. |
SSL443 said: That old chestnut. The classic refrain of people whining about criticism. And whining about whining about criticism is no better... |
| To Spear Hero: FBI OPEN UP! Motherfucking Motoyasu touching my chicken girl with the same hands he uses to touch that princess bitch. I don't blame Naofumi for not trusting Melty, which is a fucking delicious name especially when I think of cheese. Melty Cheese. Melty and Chicken Girl are bffs now. |
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papsoshea said: Raphtalia is not really underage. Malty is not underage. You are generalizing. Also the age for marriage in medieval times was around 13 at least for women.Why are all the females that are shown so far that is around Naofumi just happen to be underage cute girls? Bibimbapski said: If STD's would be transmitted by touch we would all be infected. Just chill man.To Spear Hero: FBI OPEN UP! Motherfucking Motoyasu touching my chicken girl with the same hands he uses to touch that princess bitch. I don't blame Naofumi for not trusting Melty, which is a fucking delicious name especially when I think of cheese. Melty Cheese. Melty and Chicken Girl are bffs now. |
| Spear Hero is a lolicon too eh, smh |
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papsoshea said: That Thermian Argument. There is so much shit I can point out in this series that has nothing to do with medieval times, my post was more questioning the creator's creative decisions. 1. Raph is underage you moron, her body growing faster than normal doesn't change the fact that she's a minor 2. Malty is not apart of the now small group of girls around Naofumi. We have 3 underage girls here So what point are you trying to make other than "I see thing!"? And have you not seen the some of the politics from the first episode, how if Naofumi wasn't a hero, he would've been executed? I would consider that more medieval than modern. Or how about the part where Demyx_IX mentioned that later in the series Your claim that Raph is underage is based on your opinion that chronological age takes precedence over development/puberty. It's just as the same as nightcrawlercyp's claim that Raph is not underage is based on his opinion that development takes precedence over chronological age. Nothing wrong with your claim, but rather you're passing it off as if it's a fact. |
papsoshea said: The point of my original post was questioning the creative decisions of the creator. Answering in out-of-universe question with an in-universe answer is retarded. From what the show has explained, Raph's body has matured but she still has the mind of a child (that was Naofumi's own words). Just because her body grows faster doesn't mean she is no longer an underage girl. But that besides the point, the point is the creator made this. Now I'm talking about the fallacy of using a fictional universe's internal logic to justify the decision of a creator who created that fictional universe and internal logic in the first place. You can't use that logic to justify the decision because it doesn't exist separately from the creator. Edited. It actually took a while for me to figure out what a Thermian fallacy is since (1) it is not as often referenced and (2) it's hardly documented (i.e. it's not on Rational Wiki, Wikipedia, etc.). I can kinda see why because the explanation for how this fallacy is a fallacy is among the weakest I've seen. If I were to define it in laymen's terms, it's the "This thing exists in the fictional universe because that's just the way the fictional universe works and what the author decided". However, I see problems with this fallacy as I can see this apply to anything. For instance, I can say Superman is a horrible series because superpowers don't exist and that's bs. You come in and say that "Well that's what the creator wanted to make and superpowers exist in this fictional world, so why are you being such a negative Nancy?" The other problem is that you only made an observation: the MC is surrounded by 3 underage girls. You didn't really say that this is a creative issue until someone else responded to this observation and on top of that, you haven't really explained how this is a creative issue. That's why I see it nothing more than "I see thing!". |
VeryLTTPMar 8, 2019 4:15 PM
papsoshea said: No the point is people are free to criticize the creative decisions, people who use in-universe answers to out-of-universe questions is invalid - using that logic to justify the decision is invalid because it doesn't exist separately from the creator. My original post was a joke, basically, me saying "WHY?" as in why does the MC have to be surrounded by underage cute girls. The points you have brought up have been debunked by Dan Olsen time and time again. Intra-universe explanations aren't acceptable answers to extra-universe criticisms. Please understand. How does the decision not existing separately from the creator makes in-universe answers to out-of-universe questions invalid, exactly? And what if I point out that the intra-universe explanations are based on out-of-universe examples? Would these internal explanations still be internal at that point? Also, the ever convenient "It's just a joke, bro" excuse... |
VeryLTTPMar 8, 2019 6:17 PM
papsoshea said: How many times do I have to explain it? The fallacy of using a fictional universe's internal logic to justify the decision of a creator who created that fictional universe and internal logic in the first place. You can't use that logic to justify the decision because it doesn't exist separately from the creator. In-universe answers to out-of-universe questions are invalid. Internal consistency is only important insofar as you need it in order to tell a coherent story. It doesn't protect against criticism of creative decisions the creator makes. You're kind of just repeating the same thing as before. If I could try to reword and simplify what you're trying to say, the in-universe logic is not there involuntarily. It is decided by the creator. As a result, saying "That's just how that universe works" in response to criticism is invalid. I have a few problems with this claim being applied. Claiming "That's just how that universe works" and "The in-universe logic exists separately from the creator" are two independent arguments. So where in "That's just how that universe works" statement makes the latter claim simultaneously? Your example also has a flaw because you're assuming that the Thermian argument claims that the hypothetical show is immune to criticisms. If this is frustrating you, sorry. I'm genuinely trying to put the pieces together, but there are some missing. It also doesn't help when you skip over and not address the other questions I asked earlier. For all that's worth, I actually agree with you that using in-universe logic as justification is dumb (well sometimes) and one of the weaker ways to refute. A far better example would be Quiet (from MGSV) and how she doesn't wear clothes because she needs to breathe through her skin. The thing is I don't find it dumb because Thermian fallacy. I find it dumb because it's so out of left field. In addition, this is my opinion on the matter of Quiet, so I'm not arguing objectively. |
nightcrawlercyp said: papsoshea said: Raphtalia is not really underage. Malty is not underage. You are generalizing. Also the age for marriage in medieval times was around 13 at least for women.Why are all the females that are shown so far that is around Naofumi just happen to be underage cute girls? Bibimbapski said: If STD's would be transmitted by touch we would all be infected. Just chill man.To Spear Hero: FBI OPEN UP! Motherfucking Motoyasu touching my chicken girl with the same hands he uses to touch that princess bitch. I don't blame Naofumi for not trusting Melty, which is a fucking delicious name especially when I think of cheese. Melty Cheese. Melty and Chicken Girl are bffs now. It's a joke, man. You chill. |
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papsoshea said: "That's just how that universe works" is what people say when making a Thermian Argument. Here's an extreme example: Though considering the context where you initially brought up the Thermian fallacy, I don't see where nightcrawlercyp said along the lines of "you can't criticize this because during medieval times, girls tend to marry at the age of 13". He thought you were generalizing which is a different claim, altogether. You're free to create your 5 book series ''women getting ripped apart by orcs'' but don't expect the entire world unanimously love it the same way you do. This is why people should not try to shut down critique (out-of-universe questions) with in-universe explanations because ultimately everything and anything that exists in a work of fiction is a conscious decision made by the creator. Though this example is not fully applicable to here considering that the marrying age was actually quite young in medieval times in which Shield Hero's setting is partially inspired from. The "Gamers Are All Losers" example is different because the message is rather arbitrary rather than being shaped by a real-life reference. And then you also have to ask yourself whether the author wanted the MC to be surrounded by underage girls so therefore, he used the fantasy medieval setting to make that convenient or did he settle on the latter first and then, decided to do the former? Or could it just be that the author just wanted to and that's that? "The in-universe logic exists separately from the creator" meaning that the fictional universe doesn't exist which makes in-universe answers to out-of-universe questions invalid. Because it doesn't exist and it's not real. The only part that does exist is the finished text and the ideas that it represents. Isn't the concluding sentence a bit presumptuous? Not all media purport to represent an idea. And wouldn't "Because it doesn't exist and it's not real" also works against making out-of-universe questions in criticism of in-universe logic? Because one could ask "why ask questions based on reality in criticism against fictional logic?". Overall, I think saying "Thermian fallacy!" and the opposite "That's just how the fictional universe works!" are weak avenues for criticism/rebuttal. For instance, I don't need to use the Thermian fallacy to criticize the reason why Quiet dresses in so little clothes in MGSV. The fact that the tidbit was randomly shoehorned in makes the reason incredibly disjointed. This is a far stronger argument than "You can't make an in-universe answer in response to an out-of-universe question". |
| Did he have a bonner for a little girl oh damn I hate him more every episode ..he is so annoying |
papsoshea said: 1. Raph is underage by human standards. She is not human but demihuman. Her body is adult so she is an adult. You may argue that her mind is that of a child but this is the same with most real women regardless of age. 2. Firo is a bird and Malty is not really part of the group. At most you can claim to be 1 underage girl if you are adamant about considering Firo human. Btw Firo human form is decided by Firo or at least will be when she learns more.nightcrawlercyp said: That Thermian Argument. There is so much shit I can point out in this series that has nothing to do with medieval times, my post was more questioning the creator's creative decisions.Raphtalia is not really underage. Malty is not underage. You are generalizing. Also the age for marriage in medieval times was around 13 at least for women. 1. Raph is underage you moron, her body growing faster than normal doesn't change the fact that she's a minor 2. Malty is not apart of the now small group of girls around Naofumi. We have 3 underage girls here |
nightcrawlercypMar 8, 2019 10:25 PM
papsoshea said: Is not an excuse. I am saying do not judge that universe by today standards that are based on the false belief men are women are the same with the exception of genitals and boobs.VeryLTTP said: How many times do I have to explain it? How does the decision not existing separately from the creator makes in-universe answers to out-of-universe questions invalid, exactly? And what if I point out that the intra-universe explanations are based on out-of-universe examples? Would these internal explanations still be internal at that point? Also, the ever convenient "It's just a joke, bro" excuse... The fallacy of using a fictional universe's internal logic to justify the decision of a creator who created that fictional universe and internal logic in the first place. You can't use that logic to justify the decision because it doesn't exist separately from the creator. In-universe answers to out-of-universe questions are invalid. Internal consistency is only important insofar as you need it in order to tell a coherent story. It doesn't protect against criticism of creative decisions the creator makes. A show called "Pedophilia is Great!" that argued "pedophilia is great" wouldn't magically become immune to criticisms of normalizing pedophilia just because 'that's clearly what the show is about' and it's internally consistent. I have said this a few times on this series before, that Raph being an underage girl that sides with the MC who is much older, who she has feelings for - then the introduction of another underage girl that sides with the MC in Filo - and then the introduction of another underage girl that sides with the MC - to me, the creator is writing creepy garbage and it was he that decided to make these female characters this way and I and anyone else is free to criticize this. Just like how I and anyone else is free to criticize how these underage girls were framed in previous episodes being naked and shit. Responding to these with in-universe logic and justifications is beyond retarded. That crawler dude said, nightcrawlercyp said: Also the age for marriage in medieval times was around 13 at least for women. In response to my post lol what? And whatever dude, if you think that was an excuse then so be it. |
papsoshea said: 1. He didn't have to say "You can't criticize" he literally gave an in-universe justification to my post - well it's fine because, during medieval times, girls tend to marry at the age of 13. And know the way he said it because he literally tells me almost every week that these criticisms are invalid (the ones that I am questioning the author's creative decisions) because I "wasn't paying attention" after giving in-universe answers to my out-of-universe questions. However, his main criticism was that you were over-generalizing whereas you were more focused on the Thermian argument. You tend to have the habit of only addressing the weakest points of one's arguments while never addressing the other portions. 2. Just that the Shield Hero's universe doesn't exist, what does exist is the finished text and the ideas it represents - if you want to create a piece of fiction that references real-world things, then you should be prepared for people to critique and analyze how exactly you handle them. That is a sign that people are actually engaging with your work. Me thinking that its creepy garbage that the creator has made the MC have underage girls siding with him and just a few episodes ago, having the same underage girls naked for fanservice and having the harem like troupes etc - only to receive a response along the lines of "well it's fine because..." followed by what that crawler dude said. Whether the creator wanted etc is beside the point, what matters is the finished text. What's put to paper is his ideas. Though you need to first identify the represented ideas and if that was actually the intention. For instance, you asserted before that Filo eating Erhart's sandwich was a dick joke. However, I don't see it as a dick joke as it's just Filo's gluttonous habit to chomp food down in quick succession. By definition, this is Thermian argument because I'm referencing Filo's habit, an in-universe aspect, to refute your assertion. However, even then, my "flawed" refutation is stronger than your claim because you haven't proved that the author intended to make a dick joke. 3. Out-of-universe questions are directed at the creator and not the in-universe logic. Why did 'he' decide to do 'this' and 'that'. About your MGSV example. If someone else came to you and said "well the reason is because X" and explained the in-universe justification then that person is making a Thermian Argument against you. And I honestly don't care what you think about this and that, Crawler response to my post is stupid. I believe I already made an example out of MGSV, so you don't need to do a watered down version. I also find it confusing that you have to go out of your way to express your apathy of what I think. You had the opportunity to say that and walk away earlier... |
| Looks like people expecting too much from this show, thats why they started to hate it when the show is in fact just another average isekai. I've read the manga and the LN so I already now that this show is have no potential to become "the best isekai", thats the reason why I have no expectation for this show and I still can enjoy it, this show fun to watch, and the animation is decent, enough reason to watch this anime, for me atleast |
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| Nothing better than seeing spear guy get owned again! Seems Shield hero refuses to trust anyone anymore. Filos face when he took the bowl away was hilarious as well |
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| such good ep ^^!! Noafumi can trust not.. maybe change for soon? filo cute cute lol, raphteale best or filo?? hype much next episode 9.9/10 |
papsoshea said: 2. Again, what matters is the finished text, whats put to paper is the author's ideas. Something you have a hard time understanding. What's put to paper is the finished product. You see it one way (obviously) and I see it the other way - the lead up to that punch, how Filo and Raph are framed in previous and future episodes, the running lolicon gag, how the men eye up these two girls, the fanservice and other erotic jokes prior and after this episode etc. And how does this exactly address my counterargument? You're just repeating the same claim that has little connection to my response. The erotic jokes you are seeing such as the "dick joke" were the result from your subjective opinion that it was "creepy". This is cheap feelings-based critique that is also a hasty generalization because you quickly made a claim without much evidence to support that claim. 3. What? You keep mentioning what you think about this and that when I don't care and never asked for it. The point is that Crawler dude replied to my response about little cute underage girls siding with the MC with something along the lines that its ok because children use to get married at the age of 13 - c'mon dude. Edit: When I said all the women (females) shown thus far happened to be around (as in on the side with the MC) being underage girls, it's true - Raph, Filo and now Melty. Obviously Malty doesn't side with Naofumi. Think about what, exactly? "This" doesn't mean anything unless you have already specified what "This" refers to... What I was giving my opinions on was whether the Thermian Fallacy is really a fallacy or not. Your response in #3 does not address my reservations about Dan Olsen's postulation, at all. In fact, as I thought about it some more, the concept of the so-called "Thermian Fallacy" is in itself a "Thermian Fallacy". The concept of the Thermian fallacy is inspired from the work, Galaxy Quest, where "the Thermians don't understand fiction as a concept. It doesn't exist in their language, and thus they see all texts as historical documents." The idea uses a fictional race of a fictional work as the foundation to claim that to quote you, "In-universe answers to out-of-universe questions are retarded". Dan Olsen also added after that the "root figure of thought is similar". This makes idea of the "Thermian Fallacy" flawed in itself because that "root figure of thought" is derived and inspired from the in-universe logic of a fictional work. As a result, I ask this out-of-universe question: "How is the 'Thermian Fallacy' valid for use in real world logic if its core ideas originated from the in-universe logic of the fictional Thermian race of the fictional Galaxy Quest?" Or I can just simply say, "The Thermian race is utterly stupid because it is wholly unrealistic that sentient, intelligent beings completely lack the capacity to differentiate fiction and reality. As a result, to base the concept of a new fallacy that is to be applied according to real world logic with that fictional idea is retarded". The only way you can counter my criticism above is "Well, that was what the Galaxy Quest author intended the Thermian race to be". But if you were to refute with that point, then you just committed a "Thermian Fallacy". Effectively, the justification that the "Thermian Fallacy" is valid is a "Thermian Fallacy" in itself. Or to put it quite simply, the idea of and justification for the idea of the so-called "Thermian Fallacy" contradict each other. |
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