Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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Sep 19, 2015 3:23 PM
#201
Frrrosty said: Also, for anyone interested in over-analyzing, that scene with Fremy and the hedgehog is referencing the hedgehog dilemma ("The hedgehog's dilemma suggests that despite goodwill, human intimacy cannot occur without substantial mutual harm, and what results is cautious behavior and weak relationships. The hedgehog's dilemma is used to explain introversion and isolationism" - Wikipedia). Complete anime-original as well lol. So fremy=badass shinji confirmed... |
Sep 19, 2015 3:26 PM
#202
robis798 said: If anything, don't understimate Rolonia. She may be clumsy and dumb, but she is a Saint. That's a fact. Some understimated Nashetania's power, and Adlet almost ended killed because of that *sighs*But the actual ending, that was a bit... shocking, definitely not what I was expecting. I won't lie, I don't really like the new character ( the character design could have been less LN-ish tbh, and I don't think that a character with her personality could add much to the story ) and the overall fact that the new girl joined the crew is not overly pleasant as well, I just don't think I like the way story shifted, another 7th's arrival is a bit... iffy to say the least. But then again maybe it could be a really good turn of events, maybe. It's definitely a troll. I will definitely read the novels. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:27 PM
#203
Black_Scythe said: Liked it until they added a new seventh. Dropped from 9/10 to 7/10 Sorry but that's just silly.. and I already don't like her. This. Plus the strange relationship between cowgirl and Adlet, forcing Flamie to be jealous :| Btw Nashetania being the seventh was a gooid point, Maura was too obvious this time. And it makes sense since she tried to kill Adlet too hard last time :D f*k you bunny girl! |
Sep 19, 2015 3:28 PM
#204
Still one of my fav animes this season, don't know if that means a average season or just a great anime. |
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Sep 19, 2015 3:31 PM
#205
Epicenter said: Still one of my fav animes this season, don't know if that means a average season or just a great anime. Both. |
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Sep 19, 2015 3:32 PM
#206
Ritshiro said: They have a story between them, so it is neither strange nor forced c:Black_Scythe said: Liked it until they added a new seventh. Dropped from 9/10 to 7/10 Sorry but that's just silly.. and I already don't like her. This. Plus the strange relationship between cowgirl and Adlet, forcing Flamie to be jealous :| ! On topic: For the ones thinking this is the same finding the fake brave shit, you're entirely wrong. This is not spoiler heavy so risk if you had like(I mention no names, just the course in general of what happens in consequent volumes): I had like to warn the ones saying this and the other from what happens in next volumes, because you're making yourself look dumb. Many of the posts here storytelling what happens in next volumes are just blatant spoiler readers which couldnt be worse to this kind of threads. Mod Edit: Spoiler removed. Still just a little too much of a spoiler even though the poster tried. |
rodacSep 19, 2015 6:06 PM
Sep 19, 2015 3:33 PM
#207
Sep 19, 2015 3:34 PM
#208
Frrrosty said: Also, for anyone interested in over-analyzing, that scene with Fremy and the hedgehog is referencing the hedgehog dilemma ("The hedgehog's dilemma suggests that despite goodwill, human intimacy cannot occur without substantial mutual harm, and what results is cautious behavior and weak relationships. The hedgehog's dilemma is used to explain introversion and isolationism" - Wikipedia). Complete anime-original as well lol unless I'm mistaken. Deep. All it reminded me off was Sonic the Hedgehog. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:34 PM
#209
black1blade said: Frrrosty said: Also, for anyone interested in over-analyzing, that scene with Fremy and the hedgehog is referencing the hedgehog dilemma ("The hedgehog's dilemma suggests that despite goodwill, human intimacy cannot occur without substantial mutual harm, and what results is cautious behavior and weak relationships. The hedgehog's dilemma is used to explain introversion and isolationism" - Wikipedia). Complete anime-original as well lol. So fremy=badass shinji confirmed... Basically, yes. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:35 PM
#210
Great ending and solid reveal! Aww Flamie is getting all protective and jealous!! |
Sep 19, 2015 3:35 PM
#211
HandsomeMan said: Frrrosty said: Also, for anyone interested in over-analyzing, that scene with Fremy and the hedgehog is referencing the hedgehog dilemma ("The hedgehog's dilemma suggests that despite goodwill, human intimacy cannot occur without substantial mutual harm, and what results is cautious behavior and weak relationships. The hedgehog's dilemma is used to explain introversion and isolationism" - Wikipedia). Complete anime-original as well lol unless I'm mistaken. Deep. All it reminded me off was Sonic the Hedgehog. So Nash reminded you of Bugs Bunny..? |
Sep 19, 2015 3:37 PM
#212
Eh, peace between demons and humans, how delusional that princess can even be? I hope there's a chance for other seasons with an ending like that as it really was unsatisfactory. Also I'm not too fond of Rolonia's design. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:38 PM
#213
Such a great and rewarding end to one of my favourite anime this season, after introducing another brave and being shown that our braves are getting into some real action now has got to mean that we're going to get atleast a 2nd season righttt? Well I certainly hope so, very solid across the board. 8/10. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:40 PM
#214
WHATTT OMGGGGGG I THOUGHT THEY WERE DONE WITH THE 7TH SHIT WHO TOOK ALMOST ALL OF THE ANIME TO REVEAL.... AND NOW THERES ANOTHER 7th... MORE like 8TH !!! WHO THE HELL IS THE FAKE 1 NOW >_> |
Sep 19, 2015 3:40 PM
#215
Frrrosty said: black1blade said: Frrrosty said: Also, for anyone interested in over-analyzing, that scene with Fremy and the hedgehog is referencing the hedgehog dilemma ("The hedgehog's dilemma suggests that despite goodwill, human intimacy cannot occur without substantial mutual harm, and what results is cautious behavior and weak relationships. The hedgehog's dilemma is used to explain introversion and isolationism" - Wikipedia). Complete anime-original as well lol. So fremy=badass shinji confirmed... Basically, yes. There are actually quite a few similarities when you think about it like parental abandonment. Obviously fremy goes over the edge and decides to seek revenge. Actually it's more like shinji's and rei's love child although that's technically incest so eww. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:40 PM
#216
dfsafsaf said: Eh, peace between demons and humans, how delusional that princess can even be? How is that delusional? The standstill of both sides murdering the fuck out of each other has been going on for hundreds of years and we have more than enough signs that despite monstrous appearance the fiends are quite advanced in terms of society. It only makes sense to try to break the status quo because in the long run far more than 500k kwill die on both sides if this continues on and on. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:42 PM
#217
Damn it. This was a nearly perfect series for me, but this finale really did not satisfy. Or rather, half of it did, and the other half pissed me off. Let's start with the positives. The reveal of Nachetanya as the the seventh at long last was well-executed (and even more satisfying because I was right), and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I was ecstatic to finally see Nachetanya shown the cold light of day and the mystery solved. But then the episode took a wrong turn, and for me things just went downhill from there. First, Nachetanya escapes justice via what I honestly don't have any other way to describe as a horrendous deus ex machina. She just up and vanishes, which is apparently a "high-level fiend technique", as described by Adlet. Why can she do this, you might ask, when she is not a fiend herself? When has this technique ever been shown, you wonder? I have no clue. On top of that, it is revealed that there is ANOTHER Seventh. Yes, another. At first I was in disbelief, and then I was more than a little annoyed. If there is not a second season for this, then we have all been treated to yet another "Read the LNs for the ending" adaption, which for a series as good as Rokka no Yuusha is an insulting and infuriating outcome to say the least. And if there is a second season, let's just say I hope they do it right. They better. This, coupled with an extreme drop in animation quality (which I had actually been able to ignore in prior episodes and not have problems withl) that at times distracted me from what was happening, has left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. Which is a shame, as this was easily the most enjoyable show of the season for me. Oh well. This show will still get a high rating from me, as I enjoyed it pretty thoroughly, but certainly not as high as it would've had with a good ending. |
MagisterEquitumSep 19, 2015 3:49 PM
Sep 19, 2015 3:47 PM
#218
CookingPriest said: dfsafsaf said: Eh, peace between demons and humans, how delusional that princess can even be? How is that delusional? The standstill of both sides murdering the fuck out of each other has been going on for hundreds of years and we have more than enough signs that despite monstrous appearance the fiends are quite advanced in terms of society. It only makes sense to try to break the status quo because in the long run far more than 500k kwill die on both sides if this continues on and on. You are correct priest but when have you ever seen peace in actual human society? There is always someone killing someone throughout the world hence making this peace deal stupid. Not just that, but the kyouma hate humans and they even when as far as making a half human half kyouma to kill the braves and revive the demon king. One that big fucker awakes, I do not think he will want to make peace at all. Also making Nashetanya delusional and stupid for helping the kyoumas. |
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Sep 19, 2015 3:48 PM
#219
The finale was great. A little too bad I read the final chapter before watching the episode but I had already predicted who was the fake. There were glaring animation issues in the last episode but that didn't really take way from the show. I read the prologue of the second volume of light novel series. It gets really intense really quickly. And the mystery just keeps getting better. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:49 PM
#220
What the fuck... so it was Nashetania after all. I really don't like the idea of making the crazy one the suspect, but whatever. It would've been a solid turn around had Nashetania produced a convincing story regarding her actions, something to show she isn't crazy, just unconventional. She was really close to pulling that off--her desire to create peace between fiends and humans is earnest and worth considering--but her high casualty count prediction just reaffirmed her insanity for all the other characters and the audience. The idea is good, but the way Nashetenia presented it means we're supposed to view it as undesirable. I really hope this is rectified later on in the story and Nashetania is moved out of the "psychotic wench" territory into a more gray area. At the very least, I hope for a convincing explanation regarding her actions hitherto. I mean, she had so many opportunities to kill Adlet already, so what the fuck? The sage of six paths goddess of six flowers really dropped the ball this time around. Are any of the braves really worthy of the title? Mora is a bullheaded idiot. I still can't get over her insistence upon killing Adlet. Chamot is a spoiled brat who probably wouldn't have much apprehension about killing 500k herself. Hans is a bloody assassin of all things. Who puts the fate of the world into the hands of a hired killer? Fremy is half-demon. Choosing a half-demon for this job? Really? Adlet and Goldov are the only ones who seem like standard choices, and even they are questionable considering Adlet is just a scrub with a lot of tools and Goldov was the absolute bodyguard for the woman who posed the most active blockade towards the braves' goals. In any case, the revelation of another "extra" was genuinely surprising, and I appreciate the plot direction towards the end. Eliminating the original 7th (Nashetania) was necessary because they couldn't even leave the temple until she was gone. Now, however, playing the same game again to determine who the fake is would be a waste of time, effort, and resources more than anything. Good thing this was addressed. Just drag the fake along and expose him/her when the opportunity arises. It'll be hilarious if Mora really is a fake too. Looking forward to starting the LN and I hope this gets another season. |
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Sep 19, 2015 3:51 PM
#221
Sep 19, 2015 3:52 PM
#222
And then comes another 7th, yay :D I bet this isn't the last we have seen of Bunny Girl, atleast i hope. Need to know more of her past. I am speculating that she met some demons and got to know them when she was exiled or something. *prepares to pick up LN* CookingPriest said: dfsafsaf said: Eh, peace between demons and humans, how delusional that princess can even be? How is that delusional? The standstill of both sides murdering the fuck out of each other has been going on for hundreds of years and we have more than enough signs that despite monstrous appearance the fiends are quite advanced in terms of society. It only makes sense to try to break the status quo because in the long run far more than 500k kwill die on both sides if this continues on and on. The Question is, is it worth it sacrifice the 500k for that peace? Especially since that peace will not last forever. Also, i've a feeling that Bunny girl was lying about that. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:52 PM
#223
Annuvin said: Hahaha, that made me crack up. Hey, she at least gets jealous over his man :p Also though, she's still my second favorite girl! :3 But dammit! I did not expect at all for Nashe to be the incognito antagonist! It's like, it doesn't seem implausible if you think about the way she's behaved up till now. For instance, it would explain the way she reacted when facing Fiends. It wasn't that she was nervous about live battle, but more like she was honestly reluctant about killing Fiends, and the only reason she did was probably to win over Adlet and the rest of the Braves. Furthermore, it totally explains her 180-turn of how she went from an ally to Adlet to a murderous rampaging avenger, as it facilitated in her plan to take care of the Braves at that point by killing him then. I'm guessing that the reason she, a human, is pro-Fiends must be due to the machinations of some crafty Fiend in the past, back when she was running away and in hiding. Maybe they, whichever crafty Fiend involved, saw potential in making a young, prodigious, and naive girl who lacked human affection into a useful pawn for the Fiends. But anywho, can't say I like the Saint of Blood much though, and it looks like they're back at square one, with the whole 7th thing as well lol At least, just how I predicted since a while back, the cour would end with them finally setting foot on the Land of the Fiends in a most dramatic splash shot. Now then, I should probably pick the the LN as well, since this anime was done really well. |
GenixSep 19, 2015 3:56 PM
Sep 19, 2015 3:52 PM
#224
Equitum said: Regarding the" technique" she used, and other details of the last episode, those are explained further. They aren't plotarmors to Nashetania. Everything that was said, seen and foreshadowed in this series has a point for future volumes. You could and read volume 2 after watching the series, though I can say I enjoyed the first volume 1 more since it was more detailed(obviously since there's no limit on the amount of dialogue).Damn it. This was a nearly perfect series for me, but this finale really did not satisfy. Or rather, half of it did, and the other half pissed me off. Let's start with the positives. The reveal of Nachetanya as the the seventh at long last was well-executed (and even more satisfying because I was right), and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I was ecstatic to finally see Nachetanya shown the cold light of day and the mystery solved. But then the episode took a wrong turn, and for me things just went downhill from there. First, Nachetanya escapes justice via what I honestly don't have any other way to describe as a horrendous deus ex machina. She just up and vanishes, which is apparently a "high-level fiend technique", as described by Adlet. Why can she do this, you might ask, when she is not a fiend herself? When has this technique ever been shown, you wonder? I have no clue. On top of that, it is revealed that there is ANOTHER Seventh. Yes, another. At first I was in disbelief, and then I was more than a little annoyed. If there is not a second season for this, then we have all been treated to yet another "Read the LNs for the ending" adaption, which for a series as good as Rokka no Yuusha is an insulting and infuriating outcome to say the least. And if there is a second season, let's just say I hope they do it right. They better. This, coupled with an extreme drop in animation quality (which I had actually been able to ignore in prior episodes and not have problems withl) that at times distracted me from what was happening, has left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. Which is a shame, as this was easily the most enjoyable show of the season for me. Oh well. This show will still get a high rating from me, as I enjoyed it pretty thoroughly, but certainly not as high as it would've had with a good ending. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:52 PM
#225
Kolios said: The finale was great. A little too bad I read the final chapter before watching the episode but I had already predicted who was the fake. There were glaring animation issues in the last episode but that didn't really take way from the show. I read the prologue of the second volume of light novel series. It gets really intense really quickly. And the mystery just keeps getting better. IKR, just gonna read some now. The TL is only up to volume 4 tho isn't it? |
Sep 19, 2015 3:53 PM
#226
chiyo-german said: Flamie is being tsundere and jealousy To be honest, I think she's too good for Adlet. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:53 PM
#227
What I also don't get here is the activation process as explained by Hans. Basically, he said that: First you drip the blood. Then you say "words". And then, you break the tablet. There are basically two problems with that: 1. Ok, first Adlet dropped blood. Then Nashetania took the sword, started saying phrases like "stop!", then broke the tablet and THEN said "I'll be the mistress". So that means that this "mistress" line isn't "the words"? Then what, am I to assume you activate the barrier by saying things like "turn off!" or "stop!"? 2. If dropping blood is required for activation, why did the altair accept Adlet's blood if it was the Nashetania who did the rest of activating? Shouldn't only ONE person do everything for it to work? Because if Adlet and Nashetania each done a part, does it mean they technically BOTh activated the barrier? Then what, anyone of them would be able to deactivate it? That's totally weird. In that case, should they be both dead so the barrier deactivates? Or only one of them being dead would suffice? Then I guess I they killed Adlet, the barrier would deactivate. It really makes no sense to me that the altair got activated if all the actions weren't done by the same person... |
Sep 19, 2015 3:53 PM
#228
Zefyris said: So, shall I do a preventive strike and say "No, she's human" before the contrary start to be said a hundred time in the topic? :o On rolonia, they actually dared to not change Rolonia's chara design, that anime staff definitely has balls. Doing only one volume in one cour, following almost completely the source while changing the setting and making it work, and now Rolonia. There's no way most anime watchers like her chara design. Girls who aren't cute aren't welcome in anime media. They basically said f*** you to all the anime fans requesting moe-ness and went with the original design. Yep, they sure are brave xD. So no announcement of a second cour at the end of the first one then. Well, it was expected... I'm with you on that. Surprised they went and actually kept her original design. They've got balls doing that. Would love to see another season, but yeah.. I just can't see that happening unfortunately :( 9/10 mostly because of my bias towards the series :p |
Sep 19, 2015 3:53 PM
#229
black1blade said: 4th Volume, 5th chapter to be exact.Kolios said: The finale was great. A little too bad I read the final chapter before watching the episode but I had already predicted who was the fake. There were glaring animation issues in the last episode but that didn't really take way from the show. I read the prologue of the second volume of light novel series. It gets really intense really quickly. And the mystery just keeps getting better. IKR, just gonna read some now. The TL is only up to volume 4 tho isn't it? |
Sep 19, 2015 3:54 PM
#230
Tbh, even looking at the LN illustrations, I never expected Rolonia to be fat, just short with big breasts. A rare site to behold in anime, seriously. For a 'main' character as well. |
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Sep 19, 2015 3:54 PM
#231
Frrrosty said: Passione will sorely regret not making a second season if they just left it at volume 1, it's like only having ever gotten one Harry Potter book. You can only appreciate this season if you've read all the LN volumes because only then will you realize that this was a massive setup for what's to come. Every question, every oddity, every qualm you might have about the plot and character behaviour/actions are tightly woven in and ingeniously foreshadowed for the following main arc. Or looking at it from a glass half empty, every plot hole the writer created was eventually addressed and patched up somewhere down the line. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:54 PM
#232
Sep 19, 2015 3:55 PM
#233
Jose07 said: CookingPriest said: dfsafsaf said: Eh, peace between demons and humans, how delusional that princess can even be? How is that delusional? The standstill of both sides murdering the fuck out of each other has been going on for hundreds of years and we have more than enough signs that despite monstrous appearance the fiends are quite advanced in terms of society. It only makes sense to try to break the status quo because in the long run far more than 500k kwill die on both sides if this continues on and on. You are correct priest but when have you ever seen peace in actual human society? There is always someone killing someone throughout the world hence making this peace deal stupid. Not just that, but the kyouma hate humans and they even when as far as making a half human half kyouma to kill the braves and revive the demon king. One that big fucker awakes, I do not think he will want to make peace at all. Also making Nashetanya delusional and stupid for helping the kyoumas. But that is by a choice. Humans kill each other via choice. Rokka world has the whole brave thing that ensures that every few hundred years THERE WILL be fight between the two species no matter what. Imagine if we lived in the world where a World War was genuinely forced upon us every 20 years no matter what. Would you not want to break that? IT won't stop the wars that break out on their own but it stops a premediated set of conflicts, thus still saving lives. Fiends hate humans, Humans hate fiends. Why? My bet is destruction - Humans try to destroy the demon god, fiends try to destroy humans, etc. Is that predefined? Can it be changed? Can centuries of hate be changed? In my eyes this whole story between them feels like both allusion to the new world colonization conflict and the japan/west conflict(the whole isolation thing that happened leading to WWII). Also we know zip about Demon God itslef - does it even exist? All we have are legends. In fact we know zip about fiend society and with every bit we learn they seem less like some monsters and more like a genuine different race/society. Afterward its not like we did not have real life examples of entire races/cultures being demonized/simplified in propaganda? Since we know pretty much nothing about that why should we take everything in legends and myths for a fact? Shrimperor said: The Question is, is it worth it sacrifice the 500k for that peace? Especially since that peace will not last forever. Also, i've a feeling that Bunny girl was lying about that. Hmm, 500k versus infinite number of deaths over course of history. Sure peace won't last, but the peace will be broken by choice and not by a centuries old legend that ENSURES a war every few hundred years. Again, refer to my above part of post. She hadno reason to lie though. And it makes sense with what we know of her backstory. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:56 PM
#234
I would call the anime nana no yuusha not rokka no yuusha that would be better for the anime Thhats a thing the other thing i wanted to tlak about is that it was a great anime but i hated the ending |
Sep 19, 2015 3:57 PM
#235
This show was incredibly unsatisfying because you know that if a certain character was revealed to be the seventh then it wouldn't impact you. There's a trio of characters, one of whom the seventh must be to have any sort of satisfaction from a narrative standpoint. If it were anyone outside of Nashetania, Fremy or Adlet then the show would have become even more laughable. If you don't treat characters with equal screen time and value then your 'mystery' starts to fall flat on its face. 4/10 |
Sep 19, 2015 3:59 PM
#236
YEEART said: Tbh, even looking at the LN illustrations, I never expected Rolonia to be fat, just short with big breasts. A rare site to behold in anime, seriously. For a 'main' character as well. I don't remember her being fat either, though it was a bit implied that she was too short and a bit fat,but not that fat IMO(kinda resembling a cow though *giggles*)neverthless, she is my BAE and she should be credited XD apokaliz500 said: The activation only needs blood, not the blood of the caster. What I also don't get here is the activation process as explained by Hans. Basically, he said that: First you drip the blood. Then you say "words". And then, you break the tablet. There are basically two problems with that: 1. Ok, first Adlet dropped blood. Then Nashetania took the sword, started saying phrases like "stop!", then broke the tablet and THEN said "I'll be the mistress". So that means that this "mistress" line isn't "the words"? Then what, am I to assume you activate the barrier by saying things like "turn off!" or "stop!"? 2. If dropping blood is required for activation, why did the altair accept Adlet's blood if it was the Nashetania who did the rest of activating? Shouldn't only ONE person do everything for it to work? Because if Adlet and Nashetania each done a part, does it mean they technically BOTh activated the barrier? Then what, anyone of them would be able to deactivate it? That's totally weird. In that case, should they be both dead so the barrier deactivates? Or only one of them being dead would suffice? Then I guess I they killed Adlet, the barrier would deactivate. It really makes no sense to me that the altair got activated if all the actions weren't done by the same person... This works like a demonic ritual if you think a bit more, they used blood from innocent childs to summon or cast a spell. It is not the blood of the summoner. In this case, it wasn't necessary for Nashetania to use her blood since Adlet used his trying to deactivate it(just one of the past Saints did). Killing the summoner would probably deactivate the barrier, but never was confirmed. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:59 PM
#237
CookingPriest said: Jose07 said: CookingPriest said: dfsafsaf said: Eh, peace between demons and humans, how delusional that princess can even be? How is that delusional? The standstill of both sides murdering the fuck out of each other has been going on for hundreds of years and we have more than enough signs that despite monstrous appearance the fiends are quite advanced in terms of society. It only makes sense to try to break the status quo because in the long run far more than 500k kwill die on both sides if this continues on and on. You are correct priest but when have you ever seen peace in actual human society? There is always someone killing someone throughout the world hence making this peace deal stupid. Not just that, but the kyouma hate humans and they even when as far as making a half human half kyouma to kill the braves and revive the demon king. One that big fucker awakes, I do not think he will want to make peace at all. Also making Nashetanya delusional and stupid for helping the kyoumas. But that is by a choice. Humans kill each other via choice. Rokka world has the whole brave thing that ensures that every few hundred years THERE WILL be fight between the two species no matter what. Imagine if we lived in the world where a World War was genuinely forced upon us every 20 years no matter what. Would you not want to break that? IT won't stop the wars that break out on their own but it stops a premediated set of conflicts, thus still saving lives. Fiends hate humans, Humans hate fiends. Why? My bet is destruction - Humans try to destroy the demon god, fiends try to destroy humans, etc. Is that predefined? Can it be changed? Can centuries of hate be changed? In my eyes this whole story between them feels like both allusion to the new world colonization conflict and the japan/west conflict(the whole isolation thing that happened leading to WWII). Also we know zip about Demon God itslef - does it even exist? All we have are legends. In fact we know zip about fiend society and with every bit we learn they seem less like some monsters and more like a genuine different race/society. Afterward its not like we did not have real life examples of entire races/cultures being demonized/simplified in propaganda? Since we know pretty much nothing about that why should we take everything in legends and myths for a fact? I don't think pursuing peace between fiends and humans is delusional. I think letting five hundred thousand people die to pursue said peace (which you don't even know is possible) is delusional. And on the off chance that it isn't, you've just killed the six individuals who could possibly save humanity. |
Sep 19, 2015 4:01 PM
#238
Zadion said: Mora is a bullheaded idiot. I still can't get over her insistence upon killing Adlet. Chamot is a spoiled brat who probably wouldn't have much apprehension about killing 500k herself. Hans is a bloody assassin of all things. Who puts the fate of the world into the hands of a hired killer? Fremy is half-demon. Choosing a half-demon for this job? Really? It'll be hilarious if Mora really is a fake too. So much love for characters here :P .. i would don't count Mora as a potential 8 because right now it wouldn't have any psychological impact on braves if she was the 7 (maybe only for Chamo/new girl rest braves are suspecting her the most atm. ) |
Sep 19, 2015 4:01 PM
#239
Zadion said: What the fuck... so it was Nashetania after all. I really don't like the idea of making the crazy one the suspect, but whatever. It would've been a solid turn around had Nashetania produced a convincing story regarding her actions, something to show she isn't crazy, just unconventional. She was really close to pulling that off--her desire to create peace between fiends and humans is earnest and worth considering--but her high casualty count prediction just reaffirmed her insanity for all the other characters and the audience. The idea is good, but the way Nashetenia presented it means we're supposed to view it as undesirable. I really hope this is rectified later on in the story and Nashetania is moved out of the "psychotic wench" territory into a more gray area. I don't really think her plan was all that good either - from what she said, it basically boiled down to 'Revive the Demon God and then ask him nicely not to eradicate the human world after he has basically already won'. Yea, brilliant. All great peaces are forged when the aggressor is in a strong position of power at the bargaining table. |
Sep 19, 2015 4:03 PM
#240
Sep 19, 2015 4:03 PM
#241
Equitum said: CookingPriest said: Jose07 said: CookingPriest said: dfsafsaf said: Eh, peace between demons and humans, how delusional that princess can even be? How is that delusional? The standstill of both sides murdering the fuck out of each other has been going on for hundreds of years and we have more than enough signs that despite monstrous appearance the fiends are quite advanced in terms of society. It only makes sense to try to break the status quo because in the long run far more than 500k kwill die on both sides if this continues on and on. You are correct priest but when have you ever seen peace in actual human society? There is always someone killing someone throughout the world hence making this peace deal stupid. Not just that, but the kyouma hate humans and they even when as far as making a half human half kyouma to kill the braves and revive the demon king. One that big fucker awakes, I do not think he will want to make peace at all. Also making Nashetanya delusional and stupid for helping the kyoumas. But that is by a choice. Humans kill each other via choice. Rokka world has the whole brave thing that ensures that every few hundred years THERE WILL be fight between the two species no matter what. Imagine if we lived in the world where a World War was genuinely forced upon us every 20 years no matter what. Would you not want to break that? IT won't stop the wars that break out on their own but it stops a premediated set of conflicts, thus still saving lives. Fiends hate humans, Humans hate fiends. Why? My bet is destruction - Humans try to destroy the demon god, fiends try to destroy humans, etc. Is that predefined? Can it be changed? Can centuries of hate be changed? In my eyes this whole story between them feels like both allusion to the new world colonization conflict and the japan/west conflict(the whole isolation thing that happened leading to WWII). Also we know zip about Demon God itslef - does it even exist? All we have are legends. In fact we know zip about fiend society and with every bit we learn they seem less like some monsters and more like a genuine different race/society. Afterward its not like we did not have real life examples of entire races/cultures being demonized/simplified in propaganda? Since we know pretty much nothing about that why should we take everything in legends and myths for a fact? I don't think pursuing peace between fiends and humans is delusional. I think letting five hundred thousand people die to pursue said peace (which you don't even know is possible) is delusional. And on the off chance that it isn't, you've just killed the six individuals who could possibly save humanity. Again 500k people is nothing compared to the possible casualties over the course of repeating conflict. Is sacrificing around 500k not a fair price to avoid the cycle of ~10-100k people dying again and agian in infinite number of conflict? Let's say ~120k people die in every time demon god revives. 500k as a price might seem ridiculous RIGHT NOW, but in 5 more cycles of conflict you will already have lost way more than 500k people. That is given if one of two sides does not end up causing a genocide to the other. Suddenly you are choosing to save around 500k now and allowing the prospect of possibly millions/billions(depending on human/fiend population) dying in future. She did say that trying to kill them outright might have been wrong approach. |
AhenshihaelSep 19, 2015 4:06 PM
Sep 19, 2015 4:04 PM
#242
Equitum said: Actually, you haven't been explained about her plan completely. If she is taking a risk to sacrifice 500k lives, I doubt she is making it on a half hearted plan. I can assure you that as a LN reader. If you read from what has been translated of the LNs, you will get your answer and may actually consider siding with her if you think the whole world and humanity's survival is more worth than 500k lives.I don't think pursuing peace between fiends and humans is delusional. I think letting five hundred thousand people die to pursue said peace (which you don't even know is possible) is delusional. And on the off chance that it isn't, you've just killed the six individuals who could possibly save humanity. |
Sep 19, 2015 4:05 PM
#243
CookingPriest said: Again 500k people is nothing compared to the possible casualties over the course of repeating conflict. She did say that trying to kill them outright might have been wrong approach. The way for real peace is all human and fiends die then there would be no conflicts :D |
Sep 19, 2015 4:05 PM
#244
ValhasDrew said: Equitum said: Actually, you haven't been explained about her plan completely. If she is taking a risk to sacrifice 500k lives, I doubt she is making it on a half hearted plan. I can assure you that as a LN reader. If you read from what has been translated of the LNs, you will get your answer and may actually consider siding with her if you think the whole world and humanity's survival is more worth than 500k lives.I don't think pursuing peace between fiends and humans is delusional. I think letting five hundred thousand people die to pursue said peace (which you don't even know is possible) is delusional. And on the off chance that it isn't, you've just killed the six individuals who could possibly save humanity. Asking someone to read the source material for something for show failed to explain is an awful excuse. When will people learn to stop doing this? |
Sep 19, 2015 4:05 PM
#245
Maura was awy too obvious to be the one. I was thinking about nachetanya too for some time now. I also kept thinking about Adlet and how he could lie to everyone and we see his point of view as he wants us to see it but I guess that is retarded :P Overall I enjoyed this way more than I initially believed. I dropped episode 1 thinking it's one of the worst first episodes I'v ever seen and took it up again randomly when ep 7-8 aired and marathoned it. I love this "mafia" feeling that it has. Very entertaining and unique. Hoping for a second season too. |
Sep 19, 2015 4:06 PM
#246
Sep 19, 2015 4:06 PM
#247
ValhasDrew said: Equitum said: Actually, you haven't been explained about her plan completely. If she is taking a risk to sacrifice 500k lives, I doubt she is making it on a half hearted plan. I can assure you that as a LN reader. If you read from what has been translated of the LNs, you will get your answer and may actually consider siding with her if you think the whole world and humanity's survival is more worth than 500k lives.I don't think pursuing peace between fiends and humans is delusional. I think letting five hundred thousand people die to pursue said peace (which you don't even know is possible) is delusional. And on the off chance that it isn't, you've just killed the six individuals who could possibly save humanity. I can't speak for the LNs, as I haven't read them, but in the anime she certainly didn't make me feel confident her plan would work. She basically just said that she "wouldn't let" the Demon King take over the world. -_- |
Sep 19, 2015 4:07 PM
#248
Tozzy said: ValhasDrew said: Equitum said: I don't think pursuing peace between fiends and humans is delusional. I think letting five hundred thousand people die to pursue said peace (which you don't even know is possible) is delusional. And on the off chance that it isn't, you've just killed the six individuals who could possibly save humanity. Asking someone to read the source material for something for show failed to explain is an awful excuse. When will people learn to stop doing this? The thing is it was explained further in the series,not in the first volume and it would make no sense without further information about kyouma and characters to explain it. |
Sep 19, 2015 4:07 PM
#249
Tozzy said: ValhasDrew said: Equitum said: I don't think pursuing peace between fiends and humans is delusional. I think letting five hundred thousand people die to pursue said peace (which you don't even know is possible) is delusional. And on the off chance that it isn't, you've just killed the six individuals who could possibly save humanity. Asking someone to read the source material for something for show failed to explain is an awful excuse. When will people learn to stop doing this? There Is a difference between failing to explain and saving it for another time which Is a distinction many fail to understand when dealing with LN's adaptions This story Is not finished. Doesn't matter if it doesn't get another season. |
Sep 19, 2015 4:08 PM
#250
Tozzy said: And assuming that show failed it to explain ? when will people stop doing that ? ;DAsking someone to read the source material for something for show failed to explain is an awful excuse. When will people learn to stop doing this? Answer can be in future Volumes not Volume 1 only |
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