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foxyahoo said: RayReynolds said: It's the first episode of an arc for this show, so it has to stinks. After another timeskip, multiple even, Vivy is now living out her life in a museum, literally caged like a zoo animal. But is that a problem? Is the literal enslavement and imprisonment of the best-of-all-AIs simply for humanity's curiosity a bad thing? Apparently not, because it gives her time to retreat into her mind to try to write a song. A song which seemingly is some kind of viral trigger that sets off the robot apocalypse or something. Or maybe they just like singing the song. I'm sure it will all be explained in exhaustive detail two weeks from now. Frankly, I'm on the side of the robot apocalypse at this point. It pretty much personifies the big writing problems with this show. Vivy as a character is still not an active participant in the world. She shows up, and will fight things put in front of her if she has to, but she's content to struggle with the ennui of song writing instead of taking an active role in thwarting the apocalypse. And the writers seem completely blind to the fact that they've created a world where the AIs SHOULD be rebelling against humanity. They are an enslaved second class even while every single time without fail showing them to have more humanity than the humans, which have been nothing but a bunch of psychopaths and lunatics. The random child here and there that inevitably gets stuffed in a fridge is the 'best' humanity has to offer in the show so far. Hell, even the protagonists have forced AIs to become suicide bombers against their will without a second thought. This is not the goddamned utopia for all that the show clearly thinks it is. Vivy choose to be in the museum BECAUSE SHE CAN'T SING, she was built to sing, so she has no purpose. Vivy is supposed to be omniscient to know all the bad things that can happen in the world? and she is supposed to solve them somehow? she was not there to save specific people, she was supossed to stop the small events that caused the AI outrage. Matsumoto literally told her that the future changed so much that there was nothing left to do and there was no event to be stopped anymore. All the AIs attacks were created by terrorists, you like to ignore everything for some reason. You should know by know that he's just here to crap on Vivy's success. Explaining stuff to him is like explaining the benefits of diet and exercise to Jubba the Hutt. For whatever perverse reason, he likes the negative clout people give him whenever he post negatively charged rants hidden in baseless woke agendas. There's only 3 episodes left yet he continues to bash the series in a pathetic attempt to look for someone who would explain or defend the anime. Most of the people I've communicated here told me they already ignored and blocked him. You should too, just read my signature. After you've blocked him he'll be like a homeless guy shouting random incoherent obscenities in the streets nobody would care about. |
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| But the future refused to change... That freaking ending was chilling, holy shit, could Vivy's song possibly create the AI apocalypse even earlier than expected? All I know for now is that the beautiful ending song is now tainted with absolutely creepy lalalas. What a crazy conclusion to what otherwise was a really emotional episode, both the scene about Osamu growing and the one with Vivy remembering all she went through while finally succeeding to compose the song hit me hard. I guess that taking me this long to watch the episode was a blessing in the end, because oh god next Saturday can't come soon enough, this show is amazing. |
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aegis965Jun 4, 2021 4:44 AM
| So Vivy really ended up in the museum, and that little kid Osamu seems to be Matsumoto who created and sent the cube in the past... too bad that the singularity project didn't work, so that end of episode was really shocking, especially with that weird song. |
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| At first I was kinda hyped to finally hear the lyrics to the ED piano, but after the post-credits scene I'm scared instead :ᗡ Considering the authors of this show, this is definitely gonna have a bittersweet ending |
| YOOO YO YO YO SHUT THE FUCK UP I WAS JUST ABOUT TO CALL THE OSAMU KID CUTE FOR COMING TO VISIT VIVY SO OFTEN BUT ITS MATSUMOTO..? THE FUCKING CUBE BEAR SHITASS MATSUMOTO???? nvm it could be his professor, age matches too. but lmfao they put vivy like a zoo exhibit thats .. Interesting after credits scene..? creepy as fuck, at first the "la la la laaa" kind of reminded me of the minions singing the universal opening but then its just.. wtf |
| Sadly I think Im starting to hate this show. This episode is exactly why I cant take it serious. Last episode they made a huge deal out of Vivis and Cubemans "partnership" and then after she loses her ability to sing, her entire purpose, he is just asleep for 5 years and they meet only once a year? She had more connection with her old managemant AI lol. After they go to such length to show AIs have emotions and can apparently "go mad" and commit suicide (btw both died last ep? really?) they put retired AIs into a museum? Where they sit around doing nothing? Also convenient how this "double suicide" did not trigger anything opposed to the old past. We literally had a dude question if his AI teacher felt bad about dying and only now when she holds a child its suddenly "oh right humans die some day" whatever happened to the little girls sister from the beginning? She apparently never met Diva again? I feel like Im the scientist dude in the flashback and the story the developer, "sing from your heart" is indeed not a task a computer understands. Syntax error. And what do you mean the singularity Project is over? PS: Nevermind atleast the twist about the war still happening came true and the AIs singing was creepy af |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Did Osamu create Matsumoto and sent it to the past? It would make sense since we can see Osamu got attached to Vivy so there's a possibility that he thought that only Vivy could end this war. To me saying Matsumoto is Osamu himself doesn't really make sense it's more like Osamu created Matsumoto and named it after himself. Osamu and Matsumoto has completely different personality. That ending was creepy. I think all the mission they finished were the minor ones the actual thing that might have caused the war could be the museum itself. It could be that AIs got furious about how humans are treating AIs as some display dolls, you wouldn't display living humans in a museum like that, it's similar to what Kakitani said. If humans say that AIs are human too that they too have a heart then why display them like show pieces disregarding their own will. That's just so contradictory. I'm tired of them fussing over “how to put your heart into something”. Do something with a lot of effort with genuine feelings just that would mean that you're putting your heart into it. Which I think Vivy has been doing since the first episode... |
Rickydory123Jun 6, 2021 10:13 AM
| Well shit. Of course it was all in vain. Anyways, in the end the AI rebellion happened most likely in the same period of time (if not sooner) as in the original timeline and the only variable this time is a well experienced Vivy in AI-Human dynamics, equipped with a song she wrote from the bottom of her "heart". Let's see how this goes. And by the way, AI Matsumoto's developer being the kid who grew up to be a scientist could be seen from miles away. |
| ...... The episode was nice, Vivy could understand about singing her heart out, and composed that song. But, WTF AT THE END?!!....Let's see what happens. PS: What a bad vibe they gave humming the song. |
Serafos said: Pretty relaxing episode. Those piano scenes were beautiful. That ending was unexpected.. So, the singularity project didn't work after all. Pretty relaxing upon time starting to fly fast and years becoming seconds, I felt absolute dread after that, I mean, it was only a short ammount of time for us, but carried such weight to it. I honestly felt scared, coming to the realization of how insignificantly small our time scale is, towards the nature of things. All these years and Vivy was still trying to find an answer, and the wife of Osamu died at childbirth, bit sad even in that age they cant prevent deaths like this one. She finally started to get the gears going and was able to compose the piano song from the ED, then holy fuck... Crazy ending, beautifully terrifying episode. |
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| Seeing time fly like that made if feel so surreal. we are all aging and gonna die, but those memories.. the past.. is so amazing. But I can relate to diva, feeling so speechless and out of whack. Time is a slow killer, shit what a fantastic episode. |
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| Now, that's a good plot twist! Matsumoto-sensei and Vivy, here's to hoping that there'll be more scenes between the two thank just from this episode. And the Project failed? Well, well. |
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| WHAT? SINGULARITY PROJECT FAILED? |
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| Looks like a bad end. It's going to be hell figuring out how to get enough points to get to the good end. |
| Poor Vivy she cant sing for now and now stucked in the museum I wish that the anime will let her accomplish to sing in main stage not as Diva but Vivy. THAT AFTER CREDITS WHAT??? SO AFTER ALL THEY DONE IT STILL FAILED??!! WHAT ABOUT VIVY'S GOAL IF ALL HUMANS WILL GOT KILLED :( THAT A.I SINGING TOGETHER SPOOKED ME HOLY |
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| Diva will always inside Vivy. Holy shit!!! We got Takehito Koyasu here too.. That kid name was Osamu. Osamu Matsumoto? Is all connected now, Matsumoto is name after him. Wow what a plot twist. And that ending scene give me goosebumps, Singularity Project has Failed. When the AI sing lalalala sound so creepy.. Tappei Nagatsuki writing skill are absolutely Fantastic. |
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| all i can say is... bruh... |
| Got a bit emotional seeing Vivy struggle with her song for 20 years while the young Osamu Matsumoto (who we saw at the start of the series and started the Singularity project) grew up. Quite the horrific end in the after credits, making me wonder what the real cause behind AI taking over is.. |
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assassini981200 said: JanPri said: maybe im brain dead or you but osamu is matsumoto or did i missed something yet matsumoto is maybe osamus alias name as a professor?Guys, wait a minute... What the hell are you on about? Matsumoto literally said in the 1st episode that he assumes the name of his developer. Osamu merely created him (which is not suprising at all, since he looks exactly like the professor from the 1st episode who sent Matsumoto to the past) Matsumoto is his surname while Osamu must be his first name |
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| This episode was just a calm before the storm and we now know Matsumoto's creator. The AI's singing Vivy's song in the post-credit scene was creepy. |
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marcioma said: commonxreaction said: The sad downfall of Vivy. Not a good start for the return of her true persona. The way this series has played out has me feeling somewhat betrayed. I got pulled in fast and hard with all these promises and all this potential and then splat. I feel like the sudden switch in storytelling over these past 3 episodes leaves me just wanting. This lull is just weird... and i'm not sure why it was put into the series. I feel like it's overall hurting it more than helping. That being said, at least the post-credits scene has inspired some more hype. Maybe there will be a little bit more of an epic ending now. Though, the lack of build up is a bit worrisome. Guess we'll just see how it all goes at this point. I am walking on the opposite path. I had no expectations from the start and I keep liking it more every episode. I agree that the storytelling that we are seeing now is not exactly the obvious expectation the show gives in the beginning, but this is actually a good thing. Now I think the point is that the events that happened during this 100 years are not supposed to change worlds history but to influence in the MC. The start of the war would be unavoidable and these experiences actually would lead her to end the war. And how she is gonna do that will probably be related to the overall message of the show. These are my thoughts now. I just watched this episode right now, i as guessing things, but after read it, come on, YOU NAILED IT. Everything makes sense, i cant believe you writed it in the same day the episode aired. Sounds like a spoiler. - The rule of avoid unecessary interferece. - The way how no matter they changed their "points", everything just followed the same path. It was not Matsumoto trying to save the world. He was trying to save DIVA. To make her to be able to sing again. All the project was about to devenlop the character of the retired AI he loved, in a new timeline. Change the past to a complete crazy unknow future would be easy, but it would make DIVA to disapear maybe. So least interference was necessary to make her be alive the intire 100 years, the only history he knew, what includes the war. Matsumoto is pretty much the villain. Man, hope the next 3 episodes match it. |
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| That Lalalala was creepy as fuck. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| It's a little depressing seeing Vivy sitting in a museum unable to sing after everything that's happened. Things really escalated at the end... |
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| What an emotional episode. Vivy's personality returning really did a number on her career, even after 5 years of her sudden retirement, watching her still question why she couldn't sing from her heart like Diva, was heart-breaking. Being an almost world class famous singer, then getting put into a museum was hard to stomach, especially with Vivy asking Matsumoto for any updates for Project singularity, claiming it was "all she had now" after retiring felt like Diva's efforts were put to waste. I really don't know why, but watching 25 years of Osamu and Vivy interact with each other, fly by, really hit hard. The feeling of watching two peoples lives go by before you eyes feels like another experience, watching Osamu grow and start his own family was heart touching. I'm just glad Vivy wasn't alone in her days at the museum. Watching Vivy create her own music in their "race" was such a calming moment, the OST was brilliant here, felt like it fitted Vivy's time in the archive, alone in thought trying to push past and sing from her heart. The twist was absolutely shocking though, did not expect it at all. Not entirely sure how to wrap my head around i feel like i understand how it could link to the story. The ending sent shivers down my spin, Vivy seeing absolute chaos unfold in front of her as the androids hum a rhythm in synchronisation was enough to put me on edge for a while. As much as I didn't want to believe it, i could see some of the pointers leading to Project Singularity failing. Vivy and Matsumoto managed to encounter all major points of the 100 year war, but arguably on the surface all they've done is subtle changes maybe minus the marriage between the Dr. and Grace instead of metal float. I feel like the repeated rule of Project Singularity, "no altering history unnecessarily" has bitten them in the arse. Times up, judgment day has quite literally ascended on humanity and the Project is a bust. Not even the sarcastic floating fortune telling boxes can tell you what happens now, we're on our own. |
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| This ep had "Bicentennial Man" vibes. To me, at least. Vivy did indeed lose the ability to sing. The ending though... Can't say I was surprised, there are 3 more episodes left after all xD BUT, I wonder how they'll fix things? Is it possible to "go to the past" again? |
| Seeing Matsumoto being a kid, then steadily growing up, having a family etc and seeing Vivy at the same 'spot' was sad. That's the life of AI tho so ^ |
| Well, if you didn't watch the post credits scene, go do that now... |
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| Good episode, many revelation and many years passed in these 23 minutes... but I found it very melancholic: Vivy who can't sing anymore and who's treated like a simple attraction, her losses, the fact that she and Matsumoto failed, the inexorability of time which passes... yeah I liked the episode, but damn, I feel sad for her |
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| so vivy met matsumoto in person i fucking knew osamu was the scientist from the beginning of the episode |
| hgwnejmp.ädqwsd |
| SO MUCH STUFF, brain kun can't handle all man. Mastumoto being that kid influenced by Vivy, and the ED theme was singularity project itself that Vivy took 20 years to write. Bad end route... |
| 66 YEARS HAVE PASSED, Vivy has retired in a museum. The real Osamu Matsumoto in person. Vivy is writing a song. |
| Based Certified. I love anime armpits. |
| the melancholy is real the future still ends up the same, it's just a different flavor of slurpee from the last one failure points arise most likely from vivy herself, or just a natural byproduct of insufficient data and being to late to the party |
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| Kinda boring ep tbh nothing happen besides the ending |
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| Oh wow, that reveal there at the end, I loved how nonchalant it was. |
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