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Jul 19, 2013 11:18 AM

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zakkun89 said:
There's no reason why girls are more cautious toward Maizono.
And even with the kitchen scene,they would probably think she took the knife for self protection like Naegi did.

I don't think fat matter much if you stabbed him repeatedly until he's death.....I can't believe she choose someone muscle over someone fat for the kill @.@

Anyway,I guess I will just play the game after finished with the anime to find out.


That's looking at it backwards. Everybody has a reason to be cautious about being alone with anybody else. But the male characters would more easily override their caution after being invited into the idol's room at night.
Jul 19, 2013 11:36 AM

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Aw man why did they cut out the more gruesome part of the execution :(

In the game u actually see him get hit over and over.
Jul 19, 2013 11:46 AM
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Anyway, I didn't understand the whole changing name of the room thing that was so confusing. When they switched rooms they switched the names or not? And then the killer went to her room knowing they switched rooms? I was so lost for this part.
All in all I am pleased with those who died ^^ my favorite characters have yet to be killed off


Maizono was in Naegi's room and Naegi was in Maizono's room, right? Which was in order to frame Naegi for the murder. However, in order to get Leon to go to Naegi's room without getting suspicious, she switched the nameplates. Then, Leon would go to Naegi's room, thinking it was Maizono's, and she could kill him and frame Naegi for it. Well, was planning to.
Jul 19, 2013 11:50 AM
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Well, it was LEon alright, even without the spoiler, the inverted name that she wrote was already a give away.
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AHOAHOAHOAHOAHOAHOAHOAHOAHOAHOAHOAHOAHO

Best part of the episode.

Wow, that execution was intense. I was literally saying 'Oh my god, oh my god, stop stop stop' the entire time. It was great. I got chills. Plus the way they did that part itself was amazing. Not just the execution itself.

I did feel like Leon was constantly suggesting it to be Naegi as if he didn't want to draw attention to himself.

Naegi x Kyouko? :DD

Naegi's line at the end. ;___; This guy breaks my heart.
Jul 19, 2013 11:56 AM

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this anime convinced me after this episode
Jul 19, 2013 12:44 PM

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UtsukushiiYume said:


I did feel like Leon was constantly suggesting it to be Naegi as if he didn't want to draw attention to himself.


well of course he did if naegi was found guiltfy leon is safe and Comes out soo why shouldnt he protect himself

But for real now 3 died and the only one missed is Leon
they should Show the Thing what happend in the room and more leon Scenes he had too less moments in this 3 eps

+ im still curious about the vids they saw in the AV room
Jul 19, 2013 12:51 PM

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Wait...Alter Ego is...a guy?
Jul 19, 2013 1:29 PM

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Just watched it with subs. There's a .smi torrent file out with subs on nyaa that you can drag onto your media player while you have the raw version of DR up. They're.. low quality, but understandable nonetheless!

Ehh.. 4/5. They left out a lot of evidence, I really wish the animation wasn't so quality too..
Jul 19, 2013 1:40 PM

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zakkun89 said:
I still don't get why Maizono would decided to go after someone athletic like Leon.
If she choose weak-looking people like Chihiro or Fukawa,her plan might have been successful.

Did they explain the reason in the game ?

Well, in the anime is kinda rushed up, but actually Leon's dream is not to become a baseball star, but a rockstar (as you can see by his looks).
He was invited in Sayaka's room by Sayaka herself.
A young man invited by an attractive young woman.
Of course it would be a man who could fall in this female-charm-based trap.
But why Leon? Let's see the other men:
- Makoto Naegi: refused. Of course Sayaka couldn't kill the only one which was by her side.
- Mondo Oowada: refused. Scary and strong, Sayaka would never allow such a dangerous guy to be her victim.
- Hifumi Yamada: refused. As he said during the class trial, he's only interested in 2d girls. That's Mr. Otaku for you.
- Ishimaru Kiyotaka: refused. A super high schooler level prefect won't take a step away from his room during nighttime; rules are rules, and he respects them.
- Byakuya Togami: refused. No one would ever invite that prick in his/her own room. Fukawa is an exception.
- Hagakure Yasuhiro: refused. His hair won't fit the room.

Leon was the perfect victim, for he was not particulary imposing or harmful, thus he was into the music world, just like Sayaka, and probably was straight enough to
have a chance on spending his time with a cute girl.

And than you know what happened.

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Jul 19, 2013 1:42 PM

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UtsukushiiYume said:

Naegi x Kyouko? :DD
its there but subtly, and seeing how this adaptation is skipping almost all dialogue and character interaction i doubt there is going to be any time to see even the hints there

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Jul 19, 2013 1:50 PM

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who woulda thought the guy with the blood stained-like shirt would be the killer :p
Jul 19, 2013 2:06 PM

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Kannei said:
UtsukushiiYume said:


I did feel like Leon was constantly suggesting it to be Naegi as if he didn't want to draw attention to himself.


well of course he did if naegi was found guiltfy leon is safe and Comes out soo why shouldnt he protect himself


I never said he shouldn't and yeah, of course he did but those who didn't play the game didn't know it was Leon. That was one of my reasons as to why Leon might have been the murderer, because he seemed like he was drawing attention away from himself in the previous episode. He was the only one jumping to conclusions.

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UtsukushiiYume said:

Naegi x Kyouko? :DD
its there but subtly, and seeing how this adaptation is skipping almost all dialogue and character interaction i doubt there is going to be any time to see even the hints there


DD: Aww man. I hope they'll put some hints in it.
Jul 19, 2013 2:15 PM

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I had no clue it was Leon, looks like this show is gonna be a really fucked up rollercoaster.
Jul 19, 2013 2:20 PM

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Well, I did spoil myself by watching the video on youtube of someone playing the game, all I can say if that the trial is more exciting there because you are solving it along with the characters, if you didn't know who did it you get clues during the debates.
Jul 19, 2013 2:56 PM
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What I noticed about the adaptation from this trial is that it looks like they are going down a discussion route, where they have everyone participate and contribute evidence they find instead of having Naegi find it all and point out everyone else's contradictions.
Jul 19, 2013 2:59 PM
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I spoiled myself on the wiki :'( then bought the game to try it out :D it's stupid they censure so much :/ you can't really get the feel of despair that they are going true.
Jul 19, 2013 3:00 PM

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UtsukushiiYume said:
Kannei said:
UtsukushiiYume said:


I did feel like Leon was constantly suggesting it to be Naegi as if he didn't want to draw attention to himself.


well of course he did if naegi was found guiltfy leon is safe and Comes out soo why shouldnt he protect himself


I never said he shouldn't and yeah, of course he did but those who didn't play the game didn't know it was Leon. That was one of my reasons as to why Leon might have been the murderer, because he seemed like he was drawing attention away from himself in the previous episode. He was the only one jumping to conclusions.

DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
UtsukushiiYume said:

Naegi x Kyouko? :DD
its there but subtly, and seeing how this adaptation is skipping almost all dialogue and character interaction i doubt there is going to be any time to see even the hints there


DD: Aww man. I hope they'll put some hints in it.

There will be. :) Just...yeah, just hope that they won't skip some parts of the character interactions.
Jul 19, 2013 3:02 PM

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Hey, hey.
Jul 19, 2013 3:06 PM

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Yay subs! Watched it about four hours ago with crappy subs. I'll rewatch it tomorrow to see if I missed anything. Good episode. It's pretty clear that the anime is primarily for people who have played the game. I just watched the trial from the game on youtube and I soooo get the bullets and other graphics now.
I imagine it's very nostalgic for those who have played the game.

So we are gonna have a pattern of murder one week, trial the next?
Jul 19, 2013 3:18 PM

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Yay subs! Watched it about four hours ago with crappy subs. I'll rewatch it tomorrow to see if I missed anything. Good episode. It's pretty clear that the anime is primarily for people who have played the game. I just watched the trial from the game on youtube and I soooo get the bullets and other graphics now.
I imagine it's very nostalgic for those who have played the game.

So we are gonna have a pattern of murder one week, trial the next?


In order to fit 13 episodes, probably. They'll just have to cramp the plot-related interactions somewhere there...
Jul 19, 2013 3:31 PM

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wow people are so butthurt just for that? ._.
Jul 19, 2013 3:38 PM
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Damn the people in this show are dumb.

"Why did you kill Sayaka in self defense Leon!?! How could you!?"
Jul 19, 2013 3:43 PM

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UtsukushiiYume said:
Kannei said:
UtsukushiiYume said:


I did feel like Leon was constantly suggesting it to be Naegi as if he didn't want to draw attention to himself.


well of course he did if naegi was found guiltfy leon is safe and Comes out soo why shouldnt he protect himself


I never said he shouldn't and yeah, of course he did but those who didn't play the game didn't know it was Leon. That was one of my reasons as to why Leon might have been the murderer, because he seemed like he was drawing attention away from himself in the previous episode. He was the only one jumping to conclusions.

DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
UtsukushiiYume said:

Naegi x Kyouko? :DD
its there but subtly, and seeing how this adaptation is skipping almost all dialogue and character interaction i doubt there is going to be any time to see even the hints there


DD: Aww man. I hope they'll put some hints in it.

There will be. :) Just...yeah, just hope that they won't skip some parts of the character interactions.
to be fair you really have to try hard to skip the hints, especially since they all seem to happen a plot important covnersations between the two

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Jul 19, 2013 3:47 PM

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Despair.
Jul 19, 2013 3:54 PM

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Yup, class trial was kinda rushed. Then again I remember sitting at least 1+ hour on each trial, so it makes sense that they can't focus on every little detail. I really liked how the adaption was very faithful to the gameplay mechanics of the source. When the MTB music started and Leon began his aho-thing, I had a huge grin on my face. However, I was pretty disappointed with the climax logic not being animated. The execution, in my opinion, was alright. I didn't really need to see that again.
Jul 19, 2013 3:58 PM

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AnimeFtw1 said:
Damn the people in this show are dumb.

"Why did you kill Sayaka in self defense Leon!?! How could you!?"
Elaboration on the murder from the game.
Jul 19, 2013 4:01 PM

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Damn the people in this show are dumb.

"Why did you kill Sayaka in self defense Leon!?! How could you!?"

It's actually explained better in the game. After the attack from Maizono failed, she fled into the the bathroom ending her murder attempt. At this point Leon had many other choices such as running away or reporting what happened to others but he chose murder. So I suppose it would almost be self-defense but not quite.

FYI this point was made by Togami (I think) Never mind it was Celes.
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Jul 19, 2013 4:19 PM

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Rushed!!! we could barely understand what really happened between Maizono and Kuwata. And the punishment was toned down for almost no reason. Also the bullet stuff from the game is a bit stupid in the anime adaptation.

This episode was OK at best.

13 episodes for this anime is a mistake.
Jul 19, 2013 4:34 PM

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Yeah, it would have been awesome if they animated how Leon killed, and how he did the baseball thingy with the crystal ball. But censorship limits what the anime can do.

Anyways, I like this episode, cant wait to see more of deductions. \(>.<)/
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Jul 19, 2013 4:43 PM

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A little disappointed, I thought it would be more complicated. Writing the culprit's name as a dying message is too obvious.

I felt sorta bad for Leon. I didn't really like Maizono. :p
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Jul 19, 2013 4:44 PM

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Wow this episode was just too good, and the punishment for Leon, holy shit.......

Can't wait for more of this show.
Jul 19, 2013 4:58 PM
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at least he killed that cunt. otherwise i wouldve hated this show more for a needy shitty female that stuck around. he got balled the death. that sucks
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I honestly don't feel as though it was that rushed. I mean it wasn't hard to piece together the evidence. I dont know about other people but who wants to sit pondering clear cut evidence for an hour. Although I suppose i I played the game i could have a different interpertation.
Jul 19, 2013 5:15 PM

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Dat debate was awesome.

Brutal death 0____0


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Leon's plan was rather haphazard though, with the crystal glass thing. I wonder how he snuck into afro-guy's room to get it anyways.


He didn't sneak into his room. The game explains that he accidentally left his glass fortune-teller ball in the laundry room.


In episode 1, you see Hakagure leave his crystal ball in the laundry room. Check the CASE 01 Forum.
Jul 19, 2013 5:24 PM

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From someone who has not played the game before nor read the manga, I have to say that episode was epic! The debate was awesome, and I sort of expected the execution to be censored.

Based off most of the previous comments though, the game sounds pretty intense. I may check it out sometime.
Jul 19, 2013 5:25 PM

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it was slow and painful death + killed by baseball ball :D
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The MC is stupid as hell. He could've just made everyone think he was the killer so that he could graduate already but no.

Good episode though. I like that the punishment looked like it was from a game or something. Looking forward to more of this. 4/5
Jul 19, 2013 5:45 PM

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AnimeFtw1 said:
Damn the people in this show are dumb.

"Why did you kill Sayaka in self defense Leon!?! How could you!?"


wow do People really miss here -----im glad she is gone cause she was damn annoyin g + it was an accident that leon stabed her he really didnt wanted too harm her
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MikskizO said:
The MC is stupid as hell. He could've just made everyone think he was the killer so that he could graduate already but no.

Good episode though. I like that the punishment looked like it was from a game or something. Looking forward to more of this. 4/5



If everyone thought the MC was the killer, it would be the real culprit who gets to graduate. Leon would graduate, not the MC. The MC and everyone else will be executed instead.


Kannei said:
AnimeFtw1 said:
Damn the people in this show are dumb.

"Why did you kill Sayaka in self defense Leon!?! How could you!?"


wow do People really miss here -----im glad she is gone cause she was damn annoyin g + it was an accident that leon stabed her he really didn't wanted too harm her

It's not really self defense when you deliberately go back to your room to get your toolkit in order to open the door with the intent to kill her. (Going by the original source, the game; the manga is an adaption of the game).
Jul 19, 2013 6:03 PM

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MikskizO said:
The MC is stupid as hell. He could've just made everyone think he was the killer so that he could graduate already but no.

Good episode though. I like that the punishment looked like it was from a game or something. Looking forward to more of this. 4/5


Nah, you're the stupid one. If everyone think he is the killer and if they are wrong then Naegi and everyone else except the real Killer would be executed.

Anyway, that debate was pretty good. I already figured out the killer's name before it was revealed though.

Dat Execution was brutal as hell.


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Kannei said:
AnimeFtw1 said:
Damn the people in this show are dumb.

"Why did you kill Sayaka in self defense Leon!?! How could you!?"


wow do People really miss here -----im glad she is gone cause she was damn annoyin g + it was an accident that leon stabed her he really didnt wanted too harm her

I think that was only in the manga (never read the manga, just heard someone say that), in the game and as you saw in the anime, it was no accident he was fully committed to killing her.
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this show is sweet as hell. idk why y'all are trippin' about the censorship--youtubed the game execution and it's barely any different haha. even if it wasn't censored, people would be complaining that it was just copy and pasted from the game anyway sooooo who really cares?

anywho, shit is tight. i love these characters already, especially kawaiiass fukawa. i have a feeling that chick is gonna snap though so yeah man, i'll feel bad when/if she dies...hahaha

GREAT SHOW.
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MikskizO said:
The MC is stupid as hell. He could've just made everyone think he was the killer so that he could graduate already but no.


HOW, HOW ARE PEOPLE STILL MISSING THIS!!!? Do the illustrations plus someone outright explaining them not do enough explaining to you guys, if they pick the wrong person they all die except the killer.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Jul 19, 2013 6:55 PM

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Kitchiri said:
A lot of problem in this episode, especially with pacing. EDITED: Pretty much all of Kuwata Leon's talk is gone. Also, the part about the fact that Kuwata actually never needed to kill Maizono (since basically he found door is broken, WENT BACK to his room, took driver and came back again to KILL.) should've also been said - because that really clarifies Kuwata has to be punished for his deed.


Yeah this is probably my only complaint. I am happy the climax interface was included, which i hoped would clarify some details but it went by so fast.This info helps to sort of cement your thoughts and feelings towards Leon's character. At first, it was definitely self defense but we all know that the second time around, he just found the perfect opportunity to try to get away with murder in order to graduate and follow his dream of being a true punk rock star ya know.

Overall, I was really happy with this episode. The best part was seeing Aoi and Sakura sharing some tea time together in the kitchen. The next best thing was that they used the soundtrack during the trial, all my favorites. Then, the evidence bullets yeaa. I really didn't think they were going to put that in there but it puts a smile on my face either way. I have to say that the sort of machine-gun talk battle scene with naegi and leon is more intense when they are going back and forth like that. I really liked that, although the whole "idiot, idiot,idiotidiott" still cracks me up.

I see a lot of people complaining about the execution scene. I can't even complain because I still can't watch it lmao. I've seen worse things but I don't know why I still cringe and look away. The irony of it makes it funny for like a second but i still can't help feeling haunted by it. It didn't help seeing Leon crying and wanting to get out before that either. ah, the despair.
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From someone who has not played the game before nor read the manga, I have to say that episode was epic! The debate was awesome, and I sort of expected the execution to be censored.

Based off most of the previous comments though, the game sounds pretty intense. I may check it out sometime.


Check it out before the next episode is out.
DL it or watch youtube walkthrough
Both ways are just as good.

Once you know the plot, the anime will be much more enjoyable.
Jul 19, 2013 8:19 PM

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A little disappointed, I thought it would be more complicated. Writing the culprit's name as a dying message is too obvious.

I felt sorta bad for Leon. I didn't really like Maizono. :p


But in the end, her writing it helped add in some depth and didn't make her killing and framing of Naegi seem so simple minded. In my opinion, I thought it was pretty bittersweet and tragic, since you know, it's heavily implied she wrote it because she was feeling regret over attempting to frame Naegi and wanted to try to save him from the consequences of her own actions...

..Dammit ;_;
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MikskizO said:
The MC is stupid as hell. He could've just made everyone think he was the killer so that he could graduate already but no.

Good episode though. I like that the punishment looked like it was from a game or something. Looking forward to more of this. 4/5


I don't know if I'm more pissed off that people are bitching at Naegi because of their own inability to understand what the anime clearly points out or because people literally still don't understand the SIMPLE rules of the mutual killing.
Jul 19, 2013 8:28 PM

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Meh, saw that coming. Leon's death was sick though, and the animation/art style in that scene was cool.

Looking forward to seeing who's killed next.
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nice ep! great suspense. i don't like the pacing that much but at least it's not as slow as kara no kyokai. LOL
loved the madoka-styled animation in the second half.

4/5

DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
MikskizO said:
The MC is stupid as hell. He could've just made everyone think he was the killer so that he could graduate already but no.


HOW, HOW ARE PEOPLE STILL MISSING THIS!!!? Do the illustrations plus someone outright explaining them not do enough explaining to you guys, if they pick the wrong person they all die except the killer.

^ this
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