Vinland Saga Season 2 Episode 21 Discussion

MugiwaraJopa said:
It would've been better if Thorfinn just fought the guy? Are you intentionally missing the point of the whole situation? He fought Snake and afterwards made a goal to find ways to completely avoid situations where violence is needed. It might be stupid for that era but he's trying to find other ways to deal with problems, because he knows that violence breeds violence. You think the Canute gang would just honor some random slave and let him see the king if he knocked out their guy?

Since you said it would've been "cooler" if he knocked out the guy... I recommend you try shonen, if you find pacifism boring.

saikounoanime said:
Thorfinn will speak with Canute next episode! I am so excited to see how this interaction will go down!

crimson_dread said:
Disappointing episode,I was excited for conversation with Canute but it feels they are just dragging out. The entire episode is just olmar crying and thorffin getting punched and having a idealistic pacifist monologue. And idk what type of emotions you all are feeling but it's just not getting to me with this season. I felt nothing neither for gardar nor his wife (forgot her name). The peak of the season was thorffins awakening and snakes fight which put thorfins overly idealistic stance to test. Aside from the beautiful art and parallels between thoriffin and Canute this season hasn't been all that. It feels tediously slow at times. I'll still give it a 7 simply because I love vinland and thorffins character development but I'm begging to ask myself a question. Is thorffin becoming a bit too idealistic and naive?

xZabuzax said:
So in short, the author can create a story where Thorfinn's plan is knocking the fuck out of the other guy to see the king and it would have worked as well, and in my opinion, it would have been better. This pacifist shit route and being a punching bag is just boring, dumb, and stupid in that era.

H8drian said:
"War is bad" -- we get it! It was also a sign of the times and just how things got done back then. Vikings were not known for their diplomatic prowess.

ogking31 said:
Why should thorfinn now that he has change try to make things worse by trying to beat them? it wouldn't resolve anything but more casualties, do you not understand how simple common sense works? This is like trying to fight an army of soldiers with guns just because u want to solve everything by fighting. 

sinnerNoWinner said:
ok this pacifist shit is cringe as fuck now

There are times where you need violence in order to achieve the superior goal (just like french revolution taught us)
Getting used as a human punching bag is the dumbest plan I have ever read.

Every punch to your head kills a few neurones, at this rate thorfinn is going to end up mentally challenged lmaoo
imagine coming out with the dumbest plan ever while beign such a skilled fighter.

plot is letting me down

Sagenaker11 said:
or maybe thorfinn has become one of the cringest dumb pacifist protagonist of all time. Dumb fucker should have agreed for a 1v1 duel or any other sensible duel but nahh the author had to deepthroat us with ultra omega pacifist crap again and again by being what you say? A FUCKING PUNCHBAG.

silversaint said:
the thing is, Thorfinn cannot possibly know any of that, the french revolution might ve taught you an me stuff but in this case its irrelevant, Thorfinn s actions make sense based on the life he had

sinnerNoWinner said:
my post was not a critique to thorfinn but to the mangaka
cmon dude use your brain lmao

ogking31 said:
The bet wasn't about 1v1 though? they literally made it clear before Thorfinn even took on the bet. 

You're out of reality to where you're trying to say something that the episode didn't even say 

sinnerNoWinner said:
my post was not a critique to thorfinn but to the mangaka
cmon dude use your brain lmao

sinnerNoWinner said:
my post was not a critique to thorfinn but to the mangaka
cmon dude use your brain lmao

ogking31 said:
Why should thorfinn now that he has change try to make things worse by trying to beat them? it wouldn't resolve anything but more casualties, do you not understand how simple common sense works? This is like trying to fight an army of soldiers with guns just because u want to solve everything by fighting. 

xZabuzax said:

And we get it, you like cringe pacifist religious pope shit main characters, I don't, I rather see an interesting MC but you do you.

ZXEAN said:
Thorfinn doesn't want to fight because he have no enemy.

firstawa said:


Thorfin is the leader of jomsviking haha

Sagenaker11 said:
dude he literally agrees to that bet, if he was smart enough he could have negotiated 1v1 duel. I'm pretty sure vikings never back down from real fair fight.

xZabuzax said:
And we get it, you like cringe pacifist religious pope shit main characters, I don't, I rather see an interesting MC but you do you.Se

ogking31 said:
Seems like you TOTALLY missed the point of the whole entire series since season 1 and the whole purpose of thorfinn's development.

ogking31 said:
Of course Thorfinn agreed to it because the bet was already in place... I literally said this and you're just making things up that never happened.

ogking31 said:
Of course Thorfinn agreed to it because the bet was already in place... I literally said this and you're just making things up that never happened. 

ogking31 said:

it's just simple writing" I hope you realize that once he does use violence it makes things worse not for himself, but for others who are trying to surrender their farm right?

Sagenaker11 said:
and I literally said thorfinn could have changed the bet instead of being a fuck8ng punch bag. No prideful norseman would reject the bet, especially if it's a fight duel. You're just trying so hard to defend cringe baseless writing

Damolisher said:
Ah, this forum is full of some morons. The show is great, and anyone stupid enough to not understand why Thorfinn is about to take an arsekicking should stick to children's shows like Blue's Clues. 

Sagenaker11 said:
No it doesn't make it worse, if thorfinn defeats him in a fair duel, the other vikings would respect him, the risk is much better than being a fucking punch bag.

" I have no enemies" mf when I raid the village and start raping women🤓🤓🤓🤓

There's a huge difference between defending and violence. You can't be a pacifist for every fucking thing

xZabuzax said:
The bet is already in place because that's how the author wanted it to be, he's the one writing the story for fucks sake, I already mentioned that the author could easily change that crap and have Thorfinn negotiate to see the king if he beat the big guy in a fight and since those thugs are proud warriors they would have taken the bet.

Is it silly? yeah it is, but being a punching bag and receiving 100 punches is even more silly, Thorfinn is just lucky he has plot armor.

xZabuzax said:
I don't want to hear that from someone who has Dragon Ball in their favorites but at least you have Steins;Gate in there too which is my favorite anime so you have some points there I guess.

xZabuzax said:
I don't think I missed anything, this isn't rocket science, this anime/manga is basic as fuck, I'm not saying it's bad though, it's just basic shit I'm watching here.

Sagenaker11 said:
and I literally said thorfinn could have changed the bet instead of being a fuck8ng punch bag. No prideful norseman would reject the bet, especially if it's a fight duel. You're just trying so hard to defend cringe baseless writing.

ogking31 said:
So how is it bad writing to put the bets already? it doesn't derail from the plot or narrative, the fact you're saying he could've bet to beat him which LOGICALLY makes no sense when the bet was already in place AND Thorfinn who's a messenger and someone that is with the farm HAS NO right to make suggestions either. 


Tell me you don't know what plot armor means without knowing you do, because plot armor relies on inconsistency and plot hole. 

ogking31 said:
steins gate is your favorite anime? which is constant with plot holes, and inconsistent writing to its characters and derail to the whole plotline. 

Considering you wanna talk how vinland has stupid writing (even though u haven't explained why). it makes sense why steins gate is your favorite. 

xZabuzax said:
As I said, the bet was already in place because that's how the author wrote the story, he could have written the story in a different way and make that scene way more interesting, if having a cringe pacifist sissy-ass religious nutjob pope of a main character is your definition of good story writing then good for you, I sure as hell ain't impressed with that shit.

xZabuzax said:
And no, having plot armor doesn't have to rely on inconsistency or plot holes, having plot armor simply means that the character will survive no matter what happens because that's how the author is writing the story and he doesn't want the character to die, period, nothing else. And by that definition, Thorfinn has plot armor because he's the goddamn main character of the show and he has to survive no matter what.

xZabuzax said:
I don't even want to hear this from someone who has Vinland Saga in their favorites for fucks sake.