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| As someone who hasn’t caught up to the manga yet (just started this week), I can’t WAIT to see more explanation on how Mitty is still here and wtf is going on. This season is really cool so far, minus all the weird obsession with buttholes and poop o.O |
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RioFS said: That pink guy really learnt his lesson, didn't he? Glad he came to the rescue but I can't understand why the hell everyone wants to squish Mitty. There was no lesson to learn. Maa didn't know (or understand) Meinya was a living being when he squished it. Maa is just a child and the fact of him having low intelligence doesn't help either. |
Kayle_x_Morgana said: Joey-XD19202 said: Using your own logic, if you're not disturbed or grossed out by SEEING someone's "arms getting caught off, blood spraying everywhere, ACTUAL puke, blood puke, Meinya getting squeezed to the point that its INSIDE comes out" Does that mean you're into those things? OF COURSE NOT. I mean if you're into that sh*t kudos to you man. I'm definitely judging. Have you ever gotten your arm intentionally fractured while still conscious or getting squeezed to the point that its INSIDE comes out? I wouldn't think so. YOU literally poop every day, or at least every two or three (check a doctor if you are) days. Does that mean that every time you got to poop do you, like, pass out from getting grossed out? You're "Oh my gosh, I can't believe this is coming out of me." *vomits and passes out on the toilet* LMAO Own logic? uh. Let's see. Scat is the most hated fetish probably out there because shit is GROSS. Also people love bloody movies and seeing people get their head blown off. you can't compare them. Your own logic states that if anyone finds something not gross, then it means that they're into it. I said that hearing farting noise, and NEVER seeing the actual scat is not gross, and you replied with anyone who is not grossed out by that is into scat. The scat was never shown, whereas in other aspects of something having the capability of being considered "gross," they were shown (SEEING "arms getting caught off, blood spraying everywhere, ACTUAL puke, blood puke, Meinya getting squeezed to the point that its INSIDE comes out.") You said I can't compare them, but I can. Because based on your logic, if you're not grossed out by something, then it must mean you're into thus the reason you asked "Is everyone here into scat?" since other users were saying that it's not gross. We're talking about your comment and what's considered gross, so of course, I can compare them in this argument. Compared to the other aspects of something having the capability of being considered "gross" in MIA, defecation does not hold a candle. YOU poop and even WIPE. Are you grossed out every time you do it? Answer me honestly, cause I'll definitely judge. Thus the reason I also made the following joke if you are grossed out: "You're 'Oh my gosh, I can't believe this is coming out of me.' *vomits and passes out on the toilet* LMAO." LMAO, just thinking about makes me laugh. KEKW I would understand being grossed out if we ACTUALLY the scat in all its glory, compared to other things that have the capability of being considered "gross.". I would like to consider that if you already saw everything that has the capability of being considered "gross" in the first season, the movie, and the previous episodes, HEARING, and NEVER SEEING the actual scat, you would be like: "tis but a scratch." Off note: compared to your other comment about wanting to see child pornography (which I personally consider gross and immoral) "I was hoping the girl would have gave the guy a blow job. that would have been hilarious." Defecation is something EVERYONE does daily or two or three times per week. Child pornography does not hold a candle to defecation, and your argument doesn't hold up sir. Have a nice day. |
Graduated High School in May of 2022. Summer vacation has finally arrived. I have once again regained the power of a new anime fan, being able to watch multiple anime episodes in a day. Time to binge-watch every single anime I can into the night until college arrives. SADGE. SUPER SADGE... College has begun as of Monday, August 30, 2022, so you won't be seeing me much around these parks. See you on weekends, I guess... School me is back. Sigh! I'll at least try for one anime a day with all this course load. |
| Poor Meinya almost getting a prolapse for the second time lol Belaf looks soo good. They're really nailing the narehate, good job Kinema Citrus. |
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| So it's a pair of stories happening at a further chronological distance than I expected... I dunno, but this animation feels so perfect and crisp! There's no exuberant sakuga, it just feels so natural and flamboyant without being visually sharp. Maa kun might become one of my favorites. Also Mitty just confused the frick out of me more than anything. Especially because Bondrewd previously thanked Nanachi for putting an end to her suffering. There's also the concept of "soul" and time dilation which adds to the lore and mystery. I also think I should prepare myself for depression more than anything this season... prior experiences in literature give me those type of signals. |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
| I love Made in Abyss but I don't like this season so far... There's a lot of in-your-face grossness with the vomit and shit, I mean I get it, but too much of it is kinda cringy. Everything that happened with Rico in this episode felt a bit repetitive and a waste of time. Mitty's was a great arc that concluded already, getting her back feels unnecessary. Reg's side was the most interesting but it went nowhere yet. I don't usually mind slow pacing, but for a short season that we've been waiting for, for too long, we're 1/3rd through it already and it's raising more questions and answering nothing. I know none of this probably matters depending on where the story is heading next, but I can't hide my concerns, especially when reviews are giving it 10/10 when nothing significant happened yet! |
| Reg just got his tummy drilled in, but having his pants sniffed is where he draws the line? Ok lmao Good eps though, I wonder if that thing is really the Metty that we saw getting incinerated in S1. |
Danpmss said: exLightning said: Conceptually it's all really fascinating, but the author just has to put these elements that truly add nothing of value to the story other than fanservice for those who have the same kinks.I don't understand people complaining about the content in this episode. It's not a light hearted adventure, they're in a deep dangerous hole full of things they do not understand, so yes obviously some things might want to kill them, the food might give them the runs and yes the toilet might even lick their ass clean... This is what I signed up for after deciding to continue watching this series and I wouldn't change it for anything. More power to them (you can see them in this very comment section anyway), but to me it feels much like a story treating rape as drama and proceeding to sexualize the scene in question as if it was a porn (big problem I have with eroges that go very hypocritical with their themes because of stuff like this, considering they just smut it up and expect us to not treat it as such) lol Oh no, Riko is dying, she pissed herself from the pain and is bleeding from every orifice. I should treat this as serious drama. Oh wait, nevermind, furry loli makes a fetishized remark about how shota robot is a pervert smelling her bloody and pissed clothes. Aka, I wouldn't have much of a problem with it if it was something that was presented more tastefully OR/AND had to do with anything at all thematically to even be in there, to begin with. But as it stands, it just there for kink sales at best and drags the quality down. It's poor writing when you consider the impact you were going for, cheap shock/horny value. Or in this case, at worst, a hollow pervy checklist of his own (no surprise considering that the author collects kids toothbrushes and schoolbags for research purposes lol). You get a feel when something is done as a fetish of the author rather than just being in the story because it's just part of it. It's mostly an issue of framing, if it is done naturally I personally don't mind any level of obscenity or gore. You notice when it is not entirely natural. Good example is Tarantino with his feet fetish, it's harmless so it doesn't detract from the story much, but still you notice it when it is out of place. And for something more significant than that particular fetish, it may diminish the story overall. |
Danpmss said: This is probably the worst concentrated fetishist part of the arc iirc, which they adapted in a single episode altogether. At least we got done with it in one go. And yeah, at this point I'm just ranting that this crap is in a story that could easily take away all of it and lose literally nothing of substance. My least favorite part of the manga so far, collected in a single episode, very nice. Damn, you must have hated that part in umineko where erica was basically orgasming getting dommed by bern, the naked battler parade or every time punishment game was played in Higurashi. You do know that Ryukishi07 is a lolicon with a taste for guro porn too? |
RedCobra75 said: Marinate1016 said: Nah man how horny does the author be ? Cause I promise I didn’t need to know the toilet sniffs and wipes riko ass lmao and then Faputa sniffing reg’s meat and drinking his blood?? Talk about crazy ex I wish riko would use a little more common sense too. Why would you go out into a hostile village alone? Like just wait for Nanachi and reg to come back? Or at least don’t walk into dark alleys by yourself?? The mystery and world building of MIA is so masterful tho, every week I’m just drawn in, 23 minutes simply isn’t enough. So many questions after this episode like was that really mitty , is the girl really alive and controls the balancing? Did Lyza name reg etc etc not horny Faputa is animal people, and act as animal or beast as should be, well you will understand soon enough Faputa is the most " beast type" also follow her own instict as beast / animal than other monster people in golden city that still act like humans. for example, cats smelling each their bu** hole to become friends......................................... you know the cats doing cat thing, beast doing beast things.................. Nah y’all will do anything to excuse him for being horny. My brother in Christ it’s ok , accept it. Even if you come up with some excuse for her sniffing his dick and riko getting her ass eaten by a toilet, there’s still the pissing scenes in season 1, the nudity in the manga when riko gets her shirt torn off in the alley etc. he’s a lolicon. |
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RedCobra75 said: Marinate1016 said: Nah y’all will do anything to excuse him for being horny. My brother in Christ it’s ok , accept it. Even if you come up with some excuse for her sniffing his dick and riko getting her ass eaten by a toilet, there’s still the pissing scenes in season 1, the nudity in the manga when riko gets her shirt torn off in the alley etc. he’s a lolicon. Marinate1016 said: Nah y’all will do anything to excuse him for being horny. My brother in Christ it’s ok , accept it. Even if you come up with some excuse for her sniffing his dick and riko getting her ass eaten by a toilet, there’s still the pissing scenes in season 1, the nudity in the manga when riko gets her shirt torn off in the alley etc. he’s a lolicon. actually this is important, because [/spoiler] she born as pure beast, and born in abyss, not mutant like mitty [spoiler] Ok no one cares tho we just talking about the author being horny. |
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KuroNekoAlchemy said: Danpmss said: This is probably the worst concentrated fetishist part of the arc iirc, which they adapted in a single episode altogether. At least we got done with it in one go. And yeah, at this point I'm just ranting that this crap is in a story that could easily take away all of it and lose literally nothing of substance. My least favorite part of the manga so far, collected in a single episode, very nice. Damn, you must have hated that part in umineko where erica was basically orgasming getting dommed by bern, the naked battler parade or every time punishment game was played in Higurashi. You do know that Ryukishi07 is a lolicon with a taste for guro porn too? LMAO, are you really trying to compare those to what Made in Abyss is displaying so far? Alright, I'll bite this bait. The big difference in here is that it was actually plot and character relevant, didn't involve kids being explicitly sexualized AND/OR there was no particularly imagery of the same sort (you CAN have this sort of element inserted in a tasteful way, anyway). So let me quote you my follow up comment few comments later: Conceptually it's all really fascinating, but the author just has to put these elements that truly add nothing of value to the story other than fanservice for those who have the same kinks. More power to them (you can see them in this very comment section anyway), but to me it feels much like a story treating rape as drama and proceeding to sexualize the scene in question as if it was a porn (big problem I have with eroges that go very hypocritical with their themes because of stuff like this, considering they just smut it up and expect us to not treat it as such) lol Oh no, Riko is dying, she pissed herself from the pain and is bleeding from every orifice. I should treat this as serious drama. Oh wait, nevermind, furry loli makes a fetishized remark about how shota robot is a pervert smelling her bloody and pissed clothes. Aka, I wouldn't have much of a problem with it if it was something that was presented more tastefully OR/AND had to do with anything at all thematically to even be in there, to begin with. But as it stands, it just there for kink sales at best and drags the quality down. It's poor writing when you consider the impact you were going for, cheap shock/horny value. Or in this case, at worst, a hollow pervy checklist of his own (no surprise considering that the author collects kids toothbrushes and schoolbags for research purposes lol). And no, Ryukishi is not a lolicon (also, he is married), he does puts lolicon/otaku-centered fanservice or jokes in some of his works (like Higurashi, which I also give some shit for it, and, for a better argument than your own, two specific joke lines -out of more than a million words worth of content- in EP1 and 2 regarding Maria, by a joking Battler, which I specifically deducted full 0.1 points each from my 10 on vndb for being an unnecessary poor taste joke), but he never does it in a way that is thematically distasteful and/or intrusive, they are usually one-off stupid dirty jokes that involve just words (Higurashi being the only one that goes as far as to display some riské clothes while at it, unless you have any other example). And while he does like his gore as any good horror author does to varying extents, gore porn is a whole other thing. If anything, he dislikes it quite a bit, because his Higanbana manga adaptation for his novel serialized in Faust was drawn with that kind of crap, and he outright removed it all from his visual novel final product (which was much more expanded, at that). Your claims are bullshit, and there's enough evidence to prove the opposite. Also, your point trying to justify one much worse wrong with another, to try portraying me as a hypocrite, is kinda hilarious though (especially when there's as much of a sharp contrast in presentation), and considering I myself actively criticize this particular part of Ryukishi's humor as being him at his worst, you aren't really proving anything here attacking what I also distaste (in a much minor escale than MiA anyway) lol In fact, it's miles superior to anything Made in Abyss had executed in its presentation for those not-so-similar contents you are trying to compare, so let's dismantle them, shall we? 1- "erica was basically orgasming getting dommed by bern" Now, if only you could demonstrate that was actually in the text (spoiler, it isn't, that's a lie), you would maybe find out why Umineko is far more tasteful. First, she wasn't "ever dommed by Bern", in any sexual way for that matter. She was humiliated by Bern treating her as furniture and sitting on her drinking tea, and she was incredibly upset about it (there was a joke 4-koma extra strips in the manga adaptation which shows her actually getting the hots for it, but that was about it). In either case, thematically and character-relevant, Umineko explores the ideas of alter egos quite often, and Erika is supposed to be Basically, it would at the very least make sense that her adoration for Bern comes out in a sexual manner as well, even if not as tastefully as the source material portrayed it (which is why there's fanservice merch and those 4-koma in the manga joking about it anyway). TL:DR Since the actual scene does not even play as you described, your argument is invalid from the start. 2- "Naked Battler parade" Similarly, was a serious scene played for drama and horror, with no fanservice whatsoever being displayed throughout it. It was a demonic humiliating defeat followed by a gruesome death. All of which relevant to the plot, since this witch figure have been disacrating and massacring his family from the very first EP. Which again, not done for fanservice, nor portrayed as such (except in the shitty anime adaptation, in which we have big boobs jiggling while George embraces his mom's dead body). Speaking of which, why do I have the impression that you either watched the anime or read the manga (or both), considering the VN (the actual source material that I praise, which you stupidly brought to the discussion to try making me look bad somehow lol), has none of that? Especially the first version, that one had no CGs. TL;DR It was done tastefully with no horny inserted, and was perfectly connected with major story elements as to why it happened. 3- "Higurashi" This one instead is not a work I like as much, particularly because this sort of thing is in there during several of the club activities' portions of each arc, They are not a big part of the story (mostly in the first 3 chapters and extra arcs outside the main story), and definitely are not as invasive within the narrative as Made in Abyss' scenes are (see my Nanachi example above), particularly because they are limited to some of the several slice of life sections before the plot kicks in. I can mention a single example in which dirty talk actually was distasteful, during Matsuribayashi TL:DR The flaws I also agree with are not as bad and intrusive as the ones displayed in here. They do not ruin serious moments and topics as being intrusive, unwanted elements. Made in Abyss' are intrusive with what they are trying to portray as serious, as a whole. They are inserted just to be there as kinks, that's its fatal flaw. Even then I'm such person that actually considers the other elements just as much when putting the trash aside, Which is why Made in Abyss still have a reasonably high score on my book despite how much I dislike these (and it's not like these are contradicting what the story stands for, like for example Mushoku Tensei), so it's not even worst case scenario anyway, just a shitstain in a gorgeous underwear (to make a fitting analogy). |
DanpmssJul 29, 2022 3:01 AM
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Danpmss said: The big difference in here is that it was actually plot and character relevant, didn't involve kids being explicitly sexualized AND/OR there was no particularly imagery of the same sort (you CAN have this sort of element inserted in a tasteful way, anyway). what is Hirukowashi-hen, what is Batsukoishi-hen.... |
KuroNekoAlchemy said: Danpmss said: The big difference in here is that it was actually plot and character relevant, didn't involve kids being explicitly sexualized AND/OR there was no particularly imagery of the same sort (you CAN have this sort of element inserted in a tasteful way, anyway). what is Hirukowashi-hen, what is Batsukoishi-hen.... You mean the fanservice focused extra arcs (outside the main story), that I specifically mentioned to be just that? |
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| THEY MADE IT MORE FUNNIER IN THE ADAPTATION in the shitting part. Aside from that based on the content of the episode, an unexpected occurrence. Faputa is indeed a very mysterious character in this series. Four arms, High body temperature, The scent of the sun, A Hollow, a Similar breed to Nanachi, Put those all together, and we have Faputa! The dialogues here pretty much built up the parts of the destination and the people's own practices and culture while living there. Faputa is checking if it's really Reg through somebody's observation :S That shit was scary af lmao but I did love Reg's reflection upon what Faputa did to him and the sceneries going on really do balance it out so much. Then Riko wondered where Nanachi and Reg are... well they're on their individual paths on traveling at this point. So she then purchased an abstract-looking map with a few unusual symbols to familiarize herself with the village, and Mitty getting squished by some creature was really brutal like why would they do that </3 Thank god that pink creature saved Mitty and I really like how Riko went back to bring this pink creature along to her adventure <3 The pink creature did go along with Riko to some restaurant! I really do enjoy seeing people trying out exotic food like where it's always full of surprises, that were pretty much octopus tentacles or other kinds of seafood preferences, and didn't know Riko is an aggressive eater lol. The reveal of the Three Sages in their unusual form though is an interesting preview and Nanachi seeing Meinya got me tearing up. |
| Regu bellybutton will never heal up xD |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| Christ, MiA never ceases to bestow upon us, disturbing shit. No, not Riko shitting lmao. You're alright after all Maa, well, you're alright now, cause you already got violated by those black sludge. But hey, I'll take any allies I can get in this village. Faputa is honestly sick, not just sick in the head for opening up again Reg's belly button wound, but just sick in general, like her design and stuff. I wonder if Reg's mechanical parts are made from the same material as those robots. We finally meet Wazukyan, Belaf and Vueko in the present. Holy shit, Mitty. I wonder if it's really Mitty, please spare us the pain. |
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| So the trio has gotten split up due to circumstances and things are starting to get interesting . As usual riko got some of the wierd scenes, the first time we got to see the poop scene it could still be justified, it's an adventure with risks and uncertainty after all. But now it's getting kinda repetitive and not adding to the story. This is what, probably the 3rd poop scene in this season? Bruh I hope they don't decide to add any more X-X. We got to see wazukyan at least. Nanachi's part was the most eventful in this episode imo. How is Mitty still alive ?!? Is it the same Mitty? Lots of questions with many more probable answers. And last but not least, those names of people and eternal fortunes that were falling from the sky , what were those? I feel like next ep will answer a lot of questions. |
| >Naval Piercing 10/10 - very painful & cringe inducing >Dick sniff followed by "Reg is definitely Faputa's" 9.5/10 - funny as shit, forgot it was a scene lmao. >Kevin classic OST followed by Riko poop rj 11/10 - yes... the toilet is a hollow & villager, guess what his desires was. >Alleyway riko grape scene 7/10 - not as explicit and traumatising as in the manga, monsters looked pretty cool tho. >Maa straing at Meinyuu's hole 9/10 - all Maa-kun needs is a beard, some glasses, and a head of hair. >Riko eating roasted testes 8.5/10 - love the detail on the food >Wazukyan, Belaf, and Vueko reveal 10/10 - great way to end the episode |
Fweb said: it is literally so upsetting to me how much the pooping and weird sexual stuff is encroaching into the story. i fully agree and if it keeps up being this blatant and frequent I dont know if Ill still be able to recommend it as one of the best snime. its really sad tbh. watching a masterpiece just slowly devolve into weird pedo shit... Yeah. The first season Def had some suspicious moments. Like rikos "punishment" at the orphanage, and mentioning regs dick a lot. A lot of it was tame enough I could kinda ignore it. Then I read the manga. And was like. Ohhhhhhh. This dudes just an out and out scoundrel. I did not need to see mitty's titties, thank you. Kinema did a decent job toning it down in the first season. Really wish they would have edited down more of this seasons fetish shit. Just a shame to make what is otherwise probably my favorite ongoing anime basically unrecommendable. We really didn't need a 12 year old getting her asshole licked... doesn't really add anything except meme fodder. Unless you share the author's fetishes. |
thedrynessJul 29, 2022 8:14 AM
| so i guess reg's laser beam doesn't actually burn or kill stuff but teleports them to the golden city? interesting. |
Palme-Tree said: Marinate1016 said: Nah y’all will do anything to excuse him for being horny. My brother in Christ it’s ok , accept it. Even if you come up with some excuse for her sniffing his dick and riko getting her ass eaten by a toilet, there’s still the pissing scenes in season 1, the nudity in the manga when riko gets her shirt torn off in the alley etc. he’s a lolicon. Yeah, not like essentially every single living creature sniffs genitalia or anything, especially mammalia. herp derp. Your mom be doing that or some shit? |
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| Another beautiful episode that displayed excellence troughout it in terms of animation and music, finaly we are seeing things become very interesting |
| this story would be so much better if the author wasn't a pedo who just wants to see children touching each other for no reason |
Palme-Tree said: Marinate1016 said: Nah y’all will do anything to excuse him for being horny. My brother in Christ it’s ok , accept it. Even if you come up with some excuse for her sniffing his dick and riko getting her ass eaten by a toilet, there’s still the pissing scenes in season 1, the nudity in the manga when riko gets her shirt torn off in the alley etc. he’s a lolicon. Yeah, not like essentially every single living creature sniffs genitalia or anything, especially mammalia. herp derp. I love Mia. But yall trying to defend some of the mangakas choices in this is so cringe. Anybody who's read a couple chapters of the manga can pretty definitively say that the author is a pedo and inserts a ton of his own fetish shit into it. Like sure, faputas animalistic and doesn't have any concept of human norms and boundaries. But at the end of the day there is plenty of ways to show this without having her sniff regs dick. The frequency that regs dick gets mentioned by other characters is really all it should take to tip you off that the author ain't quite right. |
Danpmss said: At least it's not hypocritical like Mushoku Tensei, but the both of them are quite blatant, particularly in MiA's manga. As for Mushoku, the title on itself refers to self-improvement, (the whole story is all about that), but . Yeah, Mushoku also has all that great world building and all, but unlike Made in Abyss, the problem is not just with the tone and content ruining part of the journey, but the themes on themselves also. At least MiA still have that sort of integrity in one way or another. 10000000% agreed |
Danpmss said: You mean the fanservice focused extra arcs (outside the main story), that I specifically mentioned to be just that? ok, so it's ok that ryukishi is a pedo during his specifically fanservice focused moments and arcs, but it's not ok for tsuk to be a pedo during his fanservicy panels and scenes in other words, first you attack tsukk for putting fanservicy moments that add nothing to the story other than fanservice, then you use "it's ok cause it doesn't add anything to story" as an argument to defend ryu in other words, you're a god damn hypocrite. Both these authors are great and both these authors have a loli guro fetish, that their works had in-universe excuses to explore in depth(loli getting herself killed in a creatively brutal way to reset timeline vs loli having infinite regeneration ability are both very popular plot devices in guro community). |
KinoKantRBD said: >Alleyway riko grape scene 7/10 - not as explicit and traumatising as in the manga, monsters looked pretty cool tho. I agree, they should have shown the nipple. I'm worried they're gonna censor faputa's nips later on |
| Pog they kept the pooping scene in. They also keep the creepy alleyway scene tho... lol. Well whatever they ain't holding anything back with the adaptation it seems which in general will be a good thing for this season. |
| I hope they give a good explanation for bringing back Mitty or maybe she is some kind of illusion/trap, if done badly we can go full Naruto here. A bit of self-reflection from Reg and Faputa is OP, we get some important information and Riko is still shitting and being stupid. Sadly we didnt get to see more of the Ganja Squad story and some scenes were simply put there for the shock factor I guess but it didnt work, going all in with the gang rape scene was better tbh, we would see a more mature and traumatized Riko after that or maybe even better, a dead Riko and their rapists too I guess. Decent episode 7/10 and according to my calculations the season has been a very solid 6.5/10. |
KuroNekoAlchemy said: Danpmss said: You mean the fanservice focused extra arcs (outside the main story), that I specifically mentioned to be just that? ok, so it's ok that ryukishi is a pedo during his specifically fanservice focused moments and arcs, but it's not ok for tsuk to be a pedo during his fanservicy panels and scenes in other words, first you attack tsukk for putting fanservicy moments that add nothing to the story other than fanservice, then you use "it's ok cause it doesn't add anything to story" as an argument to defend ryu in other words, you're a god damn hypocrite. Both these authors are great and both these authors have a loli guro fetish, that their works had in-universe excuses to explore in depth(loli getting herself killed in a creatively brutal way to reset timeline vs loli having infinite regeneration ability are both very popular plot devices in guro community). Holy crap, you are so dense. And LMAO, I was right in the money, you ARE trying this hard to portray me as a hypocrite (when you are making no sense while doing so, considering I dislike those parts the most in both works). Okay, let's go through this again so that this sticks in your head for once: 1- "ok, so it's ok that ryukishi is a pedo during his specifically fanservice focused moments and arcs" No, Ryukishi is not a pedo (he in fact is married and even have a kid of his own, from reports from a meet-up in the U.S. some years ago). He did make loli fanservice as otaku comedy, like ecchi jokes in SoL scenes, and more so in the little extra arcs that mainly used those for a fanservice plot (SOMETIMES having a soft-riské outfit appearing in big boob characters, if you disconsider the explicit nudity of Satoko's potato body in the first release of Tatarigoroshi, which albeit played for drama is a point of contention of my own). He is a man that likes his pervy stuff (usually using characters with a clearly more more matured bodies), and he mostly used that in Higurashi alone (and HOW it sells because of it, compared to ANY of his other stuff, which are noticeably lacking in that department). Higurashi being the "closest" to a work of his to be like Made in Abyss, and I have many problems with despite thinking it's otherwise fascinating, as I already said before. Ryukishi is also not a creep, and worked in social services helping kids (more on that later). Sharp contrast with someone that ruins his own serious scenes with completely jarring and fetish-fueled imagery or dialogue, like Tsukushi, who in real life is an admitted shota-lolicon, who has a dress-up torso of a little girl in his room, collect kids toothbrushes and schoolbags (all for "inspiration", which begs the question when considering the stuff the writes), draws sexually explicit shota-loli art for nearly all of the tankobons, tweeted unapolagetically about liking little girls and complaining about how the anime producers failed for not making Reg's nipples more puffy for the anime. Because according to you, Ryukishi sure said creepy pedo shit like that in any of his blog posts and interviews over the last 20 years, right? He is soooooo just like Tsukushi, huh? Yeah, miss me with that bullshit, Ryukishi may be someone who likes his ecchi stuff, but he is no pedo, much less uses over-sexualization of children in his works, even Higurashi barely have any of that for gags, outside maybe the aforementioned extra arcs. Also, where did I say it was okay? I'm pretty sure I've said that's Ryukishi at his worst and that I similarly dislike when he does it (even when it's not to the same extent at all). Don't go strawman argumenting putting words in my mouth, find better counterarguments instead (I even gave you better examples than your own so far, aren't you a fan of both?) lol In conclusion, no hypocrisy to be found, surprise surprise. 2-"but it's not ok for tsuk to be a pedo during his fanservicy panels and scenes" Someone clearly didn't even read the TL;DRs I wrote before (no wonder considering the one-liners for an "counterargument" reply), so let's quote the relevant one again: The flaws I also agree with are not as bad and intrusive as the ones displayed in here. They do not ruin serious moments and topics as being intrusive, unwanted elements. Made in Abyss' are intrusive with what they are trying to portray as serious, as a whole. They are inserted just to be there as kinks, that's its fatal flaw. To get the most extreme examples, let's go with Higurashi, and also go with Hibangana. All of Higurashi's fanservice scenes are of comedic tone and concentrated in the club activity chapters of the story (not all of them). Their timing in the story, despite their unnecessary nature overall, follows what Ryukishi classifies as a rollercoaster in his storytelling. there are happy and funny moments, for only after those, to to be a serious plot, drama, horror and alike. It makes for an effective use Mood Whiplash. Meaning you won't find those elements in any other scene that is a serious moment to be experienced by the viewer. There won't be Keiichi finding Rika's clothes near the site she died in Tatari, for then a smug Satoko come around saying "you are such a pervert for being out here sniffing those pissed and bloodied clothes", effectively ruining what the entire scene builds itself to be, something to be taken serious, and not a cheap horny/shock value thing. Same with Higanbana, all about child sexual abuse, bullying and real life horror stories with magical realism to make them actual horror. All of which from his experience working in social services, which he respectfully also uses appropriately for drama without putting any weird kinky garbage nor explicitly imagery (which he deeply disregarded from the manga adaptation for the aforementioned prototype novel) that would ruin such portrayal, unlike how Tsukushi goes with his crap in Made in Abyss from the very start. It's not a matter of "being okay"with it or not, but a matter of being shitty writing and presentation for what impact such a scene should have considering his build-up for it. Which ruins his otherwise brilliant setup single-handedly nearly everytime, as far as we are in the manga (just for the sake of inserting gratuitous fetichism in the mix, as an element that doesn't even have anything to do with any major plot elements, and it has been like this from the start with MiA). This kind of shit would not okay for neither of them to do (even in terms in executing well your storytelling), and I've been saying this from the very start of this discussion. It's less about me "being a hypocrite", and more about your poor reading comprehension skills (if you read at all), as far as I'm concerned, so, just in case, I'll quote myself again, just not to give you room to "counterargue with nothing" again: Also, your point trying to justify one much worse wrong with another, to try portraying me as a hypocrite, is kinda hilarious though (especially when there's as much of a sharp contrast in presentation), and considering I myself actively criticize this particular part of Ryukishi's humor as being him at his worst, you aren't really proving anything here attacking what I also distaste (in a much minor escale than MiA anyway) lol In conclusion, no hypocrisy to be found here either, oh, the surprise! 3- "n other words, first you attack tsukk for putting fanservicy moments that add nothing to the story other than fanservice, then you use "it's ok cause it doesn't add anything to story" as an argument to defend ryu" LITERALLY WHERE DID I SAID THAT LMFAO, your reading comprehension skills either ARE that bad indeed, or you just making shit up for another stupid strawman argument like the one above. Must I quote myself again for you to realize how nonsensical what you just said is compared to my entire point? Nah, I'll give you a TL;DR of a TL;DR for THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION, maybe that will make you understand. TL;DR of the discussion: *My entire argument was about how unnecessary loli-shota fetichist scenes that have nothing to do with the plot are detrimental to what is being presented.* - Your supposed argument against that? "B-but Ryukishi does the same in Umineko, not to mention Higurashi, and you like them anyway... hypocrite!!" - My rebuttal: "No he doesn't, here's evidence. Also I dislike and took points away from the only two poorly tasted jokes in Umineko. As for Higurashi, I detest most of those parts, particularly in extra arcs and took points away accordingly for such, but at least they were a lesser evil compared to how Made in Abyss portrays its own content (callback to original argument).". - Your supposed counterargument to that: "yeah right, you say that like those extra arcs don't exist huh (H-Hypocrite!!)?" *except I literally just addressed those* - My reply: "I literally just addressed those" *and again, they suck, I have the Kira anime in particular as a 3/10 to this day* - Your comically assumptious reply: "sO iT's oKaY wHeN pEdO rYu dOeS iT, bUt nOt WhEn TsUk DoEs ThE sAmE, HYPOCRITE!!1!" *while also saying that I said something about 'it being okay since it doesn't add anything to the story', which had no place in either arguments at all* - My response to your bullshit: *All of this* 4- "in other words, you're a god damn hypocrite." I don't even think you know what a being a hypocrite even mean anymore, but I'd argue you are either intellectually challenged, or one big fallacious person (not mutually exclusive anyway). 5- "Both these authors are great and both these authors have a loli guro fetish that their works had in-universe excuses to explore in depth(loli getting herself killed in a creatively brutal way to reset timeline vs loli having infinite regeneration ability are both very popular plot devices in guro community)" I think you also have a very twisted perception of what "Guro" and "Ero Guro" are. One is a fetish, sexually motivated, erotic in nature, thus Ero-Guro. The other is no different from gore/grotesque content. Ryukishi is a horror author, his use of gore in HiguUmi never have been sexual in nature (IF you don't disconsider Bern and Lambda flirting, "Adams Family" style at the end of EP8, or some stupid adaptations like Umineko's anime, as aforementioned), unless you can show ANY evidence of that being the case. A closer companion to Made in Abyss in that regard would be Corpse Party, and only if of course, we are going to consider the gore in Made in Abyss to be sexually motivated (there's a very strong argument for it to be the case, but I'll leave it at that, YOU brought that one up as being such, anyway). Yeah, final veredict is that you suck at discussions. Maybe you can be at least coherent by not using 4 flat one-liners to try proving your point next time around. Or maybe don't bother challenging someone if you only have such a superficial base for most of your claims. |
DanpmssJul 29, 2022 11:14 PM
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Danpmss said: A closer companion to Made in Abyss in that regard would be Corpse Party, and only if of course, we are going to consider the gore in Made in Abyss to be sexually motivated (there's a very strong argument for it to be the case, but I'll leave it at that, YOU brought that one up as being such, anyway). Yeah, final veredict is that you suck at discussions. Maybe you can be at least coherent by not using 4 flat one-liners to try proving your point next time around. Or maybe don't bother challenging someone if you only have such a superficial base for most of your claims. Bruh I am coherent It's not my fault you aren't responding to my main point. Most of the things you've written are going in circles. That being said, corpse party is very pog, based and dare I say redpilled. |
KuroNekoAlchemy said: Danpmss said: A closer companion to Made in Abyss in that regard would be Corpse Party, and only if of course, we are going to consider the gore in Made in Abyss to be sexually motivated (there's a very strong argument for it to be the case, but I'll leave it at that, YOU brought that one up as being such, anyway). Yeah, final veredict is that you suck at discussions. Maybe you can be at least coherent by not using 4 flat one-liners to try proving your point next time around. Or maybe don't bother challenging someone if you only have such a superficial base for most of your claims. Bruh I am coherent It's not my fault you aren't responding to my main point. Most of the things you've written are going in circles. That being said, corpse party is very pog, based and dare I say redpilled. Which main point I didn't answer exactly? |
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Palme-Tree said: SadKA03 said: So the trio has gotten split up due to circumstances and things are starting to get interesting . As usual riko got some of the wierd scenes, the first time we got to see the poop scene it could still be justified, it's an adventure with risks and uncertainty after all. But now it's getting kinda repetitive and not adding to the story. This is what, probably the 3rd poop scene in this season? Bruh I hope they don't decide to add any more X-X. We got to see wazukyan at least. Nanachi's part was the most eventful in this episode imo. How is Mitty still alive ?!? Is it the same Mitty? Lots of questions with many more probable answers. And last but not least, those names of people and eternal fortunes that were falling from the sky , what were those? I feel like next ep will answer a lot of questions. How exactly was Nanachi's part the most "eventful" in an episode where we got to know a little bit about arguably the greatest, most beloved character in the entire franchise (Princesa), gained a new protagonist (Maaaaaaa, also one of the franchise's most beloved characters), discovered that Reg had his name long before he ever met Riko, came face to face with Belafu & Wazu in their final forms, and (the most fascinating & question-raising sequence of all) we got to see Vueko butt-naked, hair past her feet, chained up BDSM-style in some dungeon, surrounded by black slime babies with glowing eyes....? i say it's eventful bcuz most of the stuff you said were shown in nanachi's part of the episode. Knowing that Mitty is probably alive, getting to see belaf and finally seeing vueko butt naked ( + those other sussy descriptions u wrote for which the FBI may arrest you) is a direct follow up of nanachi's part. On the other hand rikos was : poop -> Maaaa -> roasted nuts -> wazukyan Regs was : sussy dick sniffing -> why did faputa call him reg? -> the letters falling down from the sky. Don't get me wrong, the whole episode was nice and filled with stuff that makes you think and ask questions but nanachi's part at least to me felt better and more eventful, that's all. |
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