86--EIGHTY-SIX (light novel)
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Kaguyachinchin said: P.S. Stupid question, but is it inferred that Shinei sees Fredrica like Lena? Naive, but worth protecting? ...I feel like that was the assumption, but truthfully thought if Fredrica reminds us of anyone then it's Teppy the cat. Thoughts? I believe Shin see his old self in Frederica. The younger sibling that want to put the older one to rest after it was taken by the legion. I thought it was explicitely said in the episode but maybe I remember it wrong. |
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| Frederica is so cuteeeeeeeeee <3 I love her so much Lena is coming next episode :D Lena, Frederica and Shin my favs |
| I’m dropping this. The animation is getting weirder and weirder. Dunno if it’s the director’s fault of the studio’s fault. Better start reading the LN, i guess. |
tensai95 said: Woodmann said: I’m dropping this. The animation is getting weirder and weirder. Dunno if it’s the director’s fault of the studio’s fault. Better start reading the LN, i guess. It's subjective, but do you have context? Unless you're referring to the Frederica moment early on. 1. characters’ eyes aren’t directed to the person they’re talking. (Like when shinei threw frederica to emma, emma’s eyes were not directed to frederica when she exclaimed “frederica”) 2. The scene where Frederica being too close to the door. 3. Some times body parts are not moving naturally Etc. If just the animation is as good as fmab, maybe more people would watch it. Also it still bothers me that a 10 year old girl was causing all the mayhem by ordering all the invasions using the legions, and still can walk and talk carelessly |
WoodmannOct 28, 2021 11:33 AM
GGcc78 said: Woodmann said: Just a warning....volume 2 of the light novel (which this is adapting) wasn't great. The anime is improving on it, so you may find yourself underwhelmed. You should consider giving it another episode since things should be happening.I’m dropping this. The animation is getting weirder and weirder. Dunno if it’s the director’s fault of the studio’s fault. Better start reading the LN, i guess. Well, i’m pretty much underwhelmed by the animation already, but i’ll see if i can manage. |
GGcc78 said: Woodmann said: Just a warning....volume 2 of the light novel (which this is adapting) wasn't great. The anime is improving on it, so you may find yourself underwhelmed. You should consider giving it another episode since things should be happening.I’m dropping this. The animation is getting weirder and weirder. Dunno if it’s the director’s fault of the studio’s fault. Better start reading the LN, i guess. Btw, can you spoil me, whether or not frederica ordered the invasion to other countries using the legions. It bothers me so much. |
Woodmann said: Btw, can you spoil me, whether or not frederica ordered the invasion to other countries using the legions. It bothers me so much. Oh no, it's not her. The one who ordered it was the last emperor, and 10 years ago she was only just 1 or 2 years old. She's just wanted to take the blame for it cause she feels that it was her responsibility as the last living heir to the old empire. |
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GGcc78 said: Udin554 said: Pretty much this. What DOES impact Federica is that Oh no, it's not her. The one who ordered it was the last emperor, and 10 years ago she was only just 1 or 2 years old. She's just wanted to take the blame for it cause she feels that it was her responsibility as the last living heir to the old empire. That's what causes her to jump back and forth between seeming wise and seeming like a kid. Shes still a young child, but there is alot of knowledge, wisdom and trauma, locked up in her head. Oh i see, i thought she might be forever 10 year old or just age slower or something, since that’s not very uncommon in anime. Okay, thanks both of you. |
tensai95 said: Woodmann said: 1. characters’ eyes aren’t directed to the person they’re talking. (Like when shinei threw frederica to emma, emma’s eyes were not directed to frederica when she exclaimed “frederica”) 2. The scene where Frederica being too close to the door. 3. Some times body parts are not moving naturally Etc. If just the animation is as good as fmab, maybe more people would watch it. Also it still bothers me that a 10 year old girl was causing all the mayhem by ordering all the invasions using the legions, and still can walk and talk carelessly The first is honestly a pretty bad example considering that Anju was indeed fixated on Frederica right before she caught her, and then lowered her gaze for a second to see her undressed state. The second still pretty subjective but the angle can be seemingly weird. Kind of how it was supposed to be portrayed through a surveillance camera. Well, yes, it might be my subjective opinion, but still, i think it should be done much better, considering fmab from like 12 years ago has so much better animation than this. The first one, it looks to me that she’s looking to shinei rather than to Frederica. her head should be drawn tilting more to frederica’s face with her eyes more to the bottom right. It’s so apparent if you watch it on big screen, but perhaps not with smartphone screen.  Also, this one for another example, i think frederica should be drawn tilting her head upwards to see shinei’s face rather than just looking straight to his uniform  And this one looks just way too weird to me.  |
WoodmannOct 29, 2021 2:35 AM
Woodmann said: tensai95 said: The first is honestly a pretty bad example considering that Anju was indeed fixated on Frederica right before she caught her, and then lowered her gaze for a second to see her undressed state. The second still pretty subjective but the angle can be seemingly weird. Kind of how it was supposed to be portrayed through a surveillance camera. Well, yes, it might be my subjective opinion, but still, i think it should be done much better, considering fmab from like 12 years ago has so much better animation than this. The first one, it looks to me that she’s looking to shinei rather than to Frederica. her head should be drawn tilting more to frederica’s face with her eyes more to the bottom right. It’s so apparent if you watch it on big screen, but perhaps not with smartphone screen. Also, this one for another example, i think frederica should be drawn tilting her head upwards to see shinei’s face rather than just looking straight to his uniform And this one looks just way too weird to me. 1. She is looking at Shin, as she is surprised that he trowed Frederica to her. She is dumfounded. i would give it to you if the anime just changed sceene, but she was looking at her in like 2 sec later:  2. Not necessarily. People when feel ashamed they usually avoid eye contact. Also tend to look downwards. Similar situation. Edit: ah sorry, mixed the scene up. I think she was just half asleep. But I guess yeah, she could have looked up. But looking closer to the secne. Frame by frame she was looking up, but she looked down when Shin called her. She went from this:  To this:  3. Well it doesn't for me. 1-1. Also it's after Anju/Theo and Frederica left. They were looking at them. Similar scene in WoW Mist of Pandaria, when a Human gave an Orc a weapon while both looking at at something:  |
UTMANOct 29, 2021 3:22 AM
UTMAN said: Woodmann said: Well, yes, it might be my subjective opinion, but still, i think it should be done much better, considering fmab from like 12 years ago has so much better animation than this. The first one, it looks to me that she’s looking to shinei rather than to Frederica. her head should be drawn tilting more to frederica’s face with her eyes more to the bottom right. It’s so apparent if you watch it on big screen, but perhaps not with smartphone screen. Also, this one for another example, i think frederica should be drawn tilting her head upwards to see shinei’s face rather than just looking straight to his uniform And this one looks just way too weird to me. 1. She is looking at Shin, as she is surprised that he trowed Frederica to her. She is dumfounded. i would give it to you if the anime just changed sceene, but she was looking at her in like 2 sec later: 2. Not necessarily. People when feel ashamed they usually avoid eye contact. Also tend to look downwards. Similar situation. Edit: ah sorry, mixed the scene up. I think she was just half asleep. But I guess yeah, she could have looked up. But looking closer to the secne. Frame by frame she was looking up, but she looked down when Shin called her. She went from this: To this: 3. Well it doesn't for me. 1-1. Also it's after Anju/Theo and Frederica left. They were looking at them. Similar scene in WoW Mist of Pandaria, when a Human gave an Orc a weapon while both looking at at something: 1. they ought to use that scene earlier when she shouted “frederica”, since it’s weird that she shouted frederica but her eyes were looking to shinei instead of frederica. 2. She was not looking up at all, she was just closing her eyes, look at the scene before it when she was walking. And when she opened her eyes, they’re not directed to shinei’s face but to his belly instead. normally one would look at the other person's face in such a situation. 3. That’s not a good comparison, as shinei and that old guy’s eyes were looking at the tablet at that time, not focused on something far ahead. The tablet should be moved more to the left side in my opinion. And the way that old guy’s body positioned is just awkward. |
WoodmannOct 29, 2021 4:27 AM
Woodmann said: UTMAN said: 1. She is looking at Shin, as she is surprised that he trowed Frederica to her. She is dumfounded. i would give it to you if the anime just changed sceene, but she was looking at her in like 2 sec later: 2. Not necessarily. People when feel ashamed they usually avoid eye contact. Also tend to look downwards. Similar situation. Edit: ah sorry, mixed the scene up. I think she was just half asleep. But I guess yeah, she could have looked up. But looking closer to the secne. Frame by frame she was looking up, but she looked down when Shin called her. She went from this: To this: 3. Well it doesn't for me. 1-1. Also it's after Anju/Theo and Frederica left. They were looking at them. Similar scene in WoW Mist of Pandaria, when a Human gave an Orc a weapon while both looking at at something: 1. they ought to use that scene earlier when she shouted “frederica”, since it’s weird that she shouted frederica but her eyes were looking to shinei instead of frederica. 2. She was not looking up at all, she was just closing her eyes, look at the scene before it when she was walking. And when she opened her eyes, they’re not directed to shinei’s face but to his belly instead. normally one would look at the other person's face in such a situation. 3. That’s not a good comparison, as shinei and that old guy’s eyes were looking at the tablet at that time, not focused on something far ahead. The tablet should be moved more to the left side in my opinion. And the way that old guy’s body positioned is just awkward. 1. That's just a comedy element that animators use all around the world, when a character gets cought off gaurd. She is as I said dumbfounded. 2. She was actually looking up. before the collision.  after  You can see that her nose was pointing towards Shin's button near his belly, while the second picture her nose is more towards his torso. Also as I said she is like haalf asleep. You can't really expect people who just woke up to act naturally like they were awake. 3. That is actually a good comparison. Shin actually shifts his looking direction. Also leans back. While the dude keeps looking at the girls going away.   Also they are not looking at the tablet in the frame you screenshoted. They start to look at it in the next scene, when the dude actually moves the tablet to the left   So they actually do what you are saying, but they are doing it from a different camera angle. It feels like you are focusing too much on individual frames rather than scenes. |
UTMANOct 29, 2021 5:13 AM
| Inb4, I appreciate your opinion, but sorry, i’m not changing my mind that to me they’re weird. And I still think that this anime should get a better director or even studio (like perhaps bones or madhouse) to do it justice. |
WoodmannOct 29, 2021 5:34 AM
| Here we go folks, Shin's dilemma of what to do with his future starting with a pep talk from smol Frederica of all people (also her knight's backstory) cant wait to loathe the upcoming episodes just like how I loathe this topic brought up again and again in LN vol 3 |
| No matter where they go they are treated like lower beings....ugh. Its better here but that's not saying much. And yeah if Shin says a large force is coming...its going to be a massacre. |
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| So far the season has been solid, but it’s missing the action and faster paced moments that will hopefully come up in the future episodes. I really would’ve like to have seen kiria’s backstory extended and animated rather than just being narrated by Frederick, reckon it would’ve made for a very impactful and emotional episode. |
Woodmann said: Oh i see, i thought she might be forever 10 year old or just age slower or something, since that’s not very uncommon in anime. Okay, thanks both of you. Top marks for comprehension there. |
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borderliner said: Woodmann said: Oh i see, i thought she might be forever 10 year old or just age slower or something, since that’s not very uncommon in anime. Okay, thanks both of you. Top marks for comprehension there. Well, since it’s an anime where someone can see the past and present of someone she sees, robots that can harvest human brains for the use of their processing units, that’s not very far fetched i think. she also might retains the memories of her predecessors and has been able to talk since she was born such as some other isekai mcs, and with that ordered the invasion. But if the original author said it was not her who ordered it, then so be it. |
WoodmannNov 1, 2021 1:52 PM
| Alright this is definitely a built-up episode before a peak episode next? Well, lots of information has been dumped too. The military structure and command system has been reformed, in order to deal with Legion incoming large-scale attack. New mech still work in progress. Then the woman commander got a little background to hold her strong point. Still, there's a gap between, which, may lead to some panick for the next fight. Hopefully no. Another info, such as Kiriya finally has been retold by the loli princess. How Frederica had so much good memories with her knight, and how Kiriya became the Legion. A bit surprising with how its turned out. Rebellious people from the federation actually the real cause of the fell of the empire. But for Kiriya, dude must be depressing so much while seeing his loli be taken away from his protection until he realized, death wasn't really the best option. Nice backstory, decent built-up, very intriguing conversation too between Raiden and Shin near the end. Idk how long they keep being suspicious, can not so honest, and very alerted at each others. But, first thing first, lets kick more of Legion ass, shall you? Lena? Looks like you are frustating back there.... |
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badabass said: Alright this is definitely a built-up episode before a peak episode next? Well, lots of information has been dumped too. The military structure and command system has been reformed, in order to deal with Legion incoming large-scale attack. New mech still work in progress. Then the woman commander got a little background to hold her strong point. Still, there's a gap between, which, may lead to some panick for the next fight. Hopefully no. Another info, such as Kiriya finally has been retold by the loli princess. How Frederica had so much good memories with her knight, and how Kiriya became the Legion. A bit surprising with how its turned out. Rebellious people from the federation actually the real cause of the fell of the empire. But for Kiriya, dude must be depressing so much while seeing his loli be taken away from his protection until he realized, death wasn't really the best option. Nice backstory, decent built-up, very intriguing conversation too between Raiden and Shin near the end. Idk how long they keep being suspicious, can not so honest, and very alerted at each others. But, first thing first, lets kick more of Legion ass, shall you? Lena? Looks like you are frustating back there.... Lena is frustrated because they are already surrounded by the Legions...  |
| definitely get why they weren't smiling at all when pretty military lady went "we're not like the republic, we wont abandon you guys" just seems like some sort of cringy idealistic things from what they've went through frederica backstory! kinda. and uh the "kiri" she's talking about is shien's brother right? probably? |
| For some reason I found Frederica's explanation about her past kinda confusing and dull. It would've been less confusing if they showed more flashbacks. When Frederica bumped up against Shin 'half naked' that scene was funny and cute XD |
| Nice Backstory about Frederica Knight, building up episode for upcoming fight... Hey a little bit of Lena in the end... i miss her so much |
davidyodo24Mar 24, 2022 5:45 AM
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| As the creator of Reignleif, Grethe showed her savageness to the officer and higher up how capable she is with 86 as the processor. Shin and Berthold walk together as Berthold reporting the situation and sarcasticly told how crazy Shin is. Suddenly they met half-naked sleepwalking Frederica, it was cute Shin just throw her to Anju like throwing a ball to take care of her XD. At the end She felt embarassed when they were in the Cafeteria talking together haha.. In the unit briefing Shin hilariously kept calling Reignleif a Juggernaut :D, as they discussing what needed to improve on it. Shin also gave some proposal about the big amount of legions that'll be comin. Still, Grethe didn't put a serious thought in it as it seem ridiculous as She believe Federation Lab Analysis was on point in it. In Shin's cabin Frederica told him her knight story Kiriya Nouzen who had same family name as Shin that could be a distant relatives. He also resembled Shin so much. She told Shin everything about Kiriya from his demeanor and how precious he is to her and his madness that led up to his death. After She was asleep, Shin carried her(it was so adorable looking Shin carrying her like she is his baby sister :DDD) before passing her to Raiden. Just a short talk between the bros after that, Regarding the meeting before Raiden know that Shin proposal was based on his ability of hearing those voices and know how accurate was that. Still, on Shin request to the squad not to reveal his ability they decided to kept it to themselves as that could endangered them too, as they might had doing some experiment on Shin's brain. Then Raiden mention usual night chat with Lena and Squad before wondering how is she now with silenced Shin sighing ( Shin missed Her XD) whoa Lena glimpse in the end writing report while eating choco, wondering if she will appear soon .... |
| The Federacy obviously doesn't know about Shin's ability but still too bad they ignored his warning on the legions troups numbering a lot more than the analysis estimated. |
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| So other countries still exist and let me guess, they're also currently at war with the legion, they also don't know anything about other countries, and they're also living, at least in their major cities, like there's no war at all and they're entirely self-reliant and self-sustaining. |
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| wow! i really loved that 20 + minutes of nothing but straight dialogue in which not even half of it was anything worth blabbering about. please don't disappoint me 86, i have very high expectations for you after the first part. |
| no one is taking them seriously, but then again, they aren't communicating their positions well enough. |
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| I regret calling Lena annoying now, can I have her back.... just anything but this annoying out of place loli this one was boring as hell |
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| The build up is real. Wanna see whats up on Lena's side >_< |
| Whens Lena coming back :/ I kinda miss her... |
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| Too much needless talking. Lots of exposition although I could only make out heads or tail for a few. Found this to be the weakest episode in the series so far. Hope it gets back on track. |
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| Lots of contradictions and more making shit up just to justify the plot and ridiculous reasoning. First off, Fred keeps talking about how the 86 should think about their future and how madness can take you seeing the people around you die, however, isn't that why Ernst was trying to give them some normalcy in their life? It's absolutely ridiculous how Fred now does a 180 and talks about how they have to run if things get tough. Bitch, you're the one talking about not trapping them in a cage of pity and some shit. Also, how in the world is the author of 86 going to take the kindness of the people and make it look like it's something malicious or something terrible???? If I give food, clothes and some money to the homeless, is it because I pity them? Do I expect something in return? Or am I trying to just be a nice person to feel good about myself? The point is there is always a motive behind someone doing something nice. If we perform some sort of charity, we will always feel good about ourselves. That does not mean it's a bad thing to be nice. So why the author now needs to take the kindness of the people of the country as something malicious to prove some sort of point is ridiculous. If that is the case, in this world, What is considered being good and what is considered being bad? They did not even want them to fight in the war, they were the ones that went to fight. But nooo, we gotta have some manufactured drama that simply does not make sense Also, "we don't allow children on the battlefield"...."weeelll except the loli princess because of the plot and stuff".. this author needs to relearn the basics of storytelling... |
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| Interesting enough episode for sure! |
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| Rather uneventful episode. We got a bit of backstory and they are being treated like shit here as well. That's the summary kindaish. |
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| Shinei just throwing Frederica over to Anju was unexpected, lol. Her and Kiri's backstory scene had a tranquil and solemn atmosphere that had some effective immersive value too. For how eager the former Spearhead squad were to join the Giadian army, they don't seem to be very enthusiastic about their service now. |
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| it kinda goes too slow now.. a little boring in last 2 episodes, it felt like fillers |
| (づ￣ ³￣)づ ちゅっ ちゅっ キス (´｡✪ω✪｡｀) I hate it when anime/manga that I enjoyed ends, especially when there could be much longer plot and when I love main heroine :P I wish I had magic glasses that let me see real world in anime colors ;) |
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