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xZabuzax said: ttcchen said: yes reigen couldn't do shit but he's still willing to face psychics alone just to buy time for Mob to run away. Can't you see what he's trying to do here? He's laying his life on the line here. Yes, he would have died. And that just shows how selfless he can be despite being a con-man. Self-sacrificing is never rational because a rational person would prioritize their own life, not someone else's. And that's exactly what makes Reigen such a great character. You are not seeing the bigger picture here, Reigen would get killed in less than 5 seconds if Shigeo and crew weren't protecting his ass the entire time, I don't think 5 seconds is enough to run away and every time Shigeo tried to do something to protect his brother and Teru (the blonde esper) Reigen butts in and instruct Shigeo to stop and tell him that he will handle things on his own, dude, if you don't see how stupid and childish that is then I don't know what to say to you anymore, this is why I said that you sound exactly like an apologetic defending the atrocities from the bible. Teru and Shigeo's brother were pretty damn close to getting killed and even they were begging Shigeo to save them because they could BARELY defend themselves, when you have comrades or families in a life or death situation you won't leave their lives in the hands of a weak idiot saying "Stop, don't fight and save them, I'll handle things on my own" when you already know that the person is not even capable of defending himself and will get killed in 5 seconds or less, this isn't rational at all and I cringe when I see people like you actually defending bullshit like this. Shigeo's brother and Teru could have died there thanks to the man-child stopping Shigeo from saving them. What Reigen tried to do wasn't self sacrifice, it was simply suicide because once he dies the bad guys would have catched them and they would be in the same situation as before, the only difference is that an idiot would be dead. "[...] they were begging Shigeo to save them because they could BARELY defend themselves, when you have comrades or families in a life or death situation you won't leave their lives in the hands of a weak idiot saying "Stop, don't fight and save them, I'll handle things on my own" when you already know that the person is not even capable of defending himself [...]". Okay, but Mob always trusted Reigen so he didn't know. Sarcrifice or suicide... Reigen wanted to buy time bullsh*tting or whatever. You keep saying that Reigen is the childish one, but in a serious thought the message to manchildren is in Claw, not Reigen. |
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xZabuzax said: one second can determine whether u die or live, let alone 5 seconds. Normally 5 seconds may not be much but if u watched the clock you'd realize 5 seconds is actually pretty long and u can do a lot of stuff in 5 seconds. Reigen did not tell mob to stop defending himself, hes telling him to not go 100% there. But mob is losing control, the opponent is too strong, and he has no choice, that's why Reigen giving him an alternative, showing him other options exist and he has other ppl he can rely on. Mob doesn't have to do all this by himself. Don't blame everything on reigen. There r many other possible ways they can die. Just cause reigen joins the fight doesn't mean it'll increase their possibility to die. While reigen fends off their attackers and maybe get seriously injured, those esper kids can use the chance to run away. Fastest record to sprint 50m is 5.6 seconds, and thats for a normal human being. Imagine what espers can do in 5 seconds. ur underestimating the kids. They wont die that easily.ttcchen said: yes reigen couldn't do shit but he's still willing to face psychics alone just to buy time for Mob to run away. Can't you see what he's trying to do here? He's laying his life on the line here. Yes, he would have died. And that just shows how selfless he can be despite being a con-man. Self-sacrificing is never rational because a rational person would prioritize their own life, not someone else's. And that's exactly what makes Reigen such a great character. You are not seeing the bigger picture here, Reigen would get killed in less than 5 seconds if Shigeo and crew weren't protecting his ass the entire time, I don't think 5 seconds is enough to run away and every time Shigeo tried to do something to protect his brother and Teru (the blonde esper) Reigen butts in and instruct Shigeo to stop and tell him that he will handle things on his own, dude, if you don't see how stupid and childish that is then I don't know what to say to you anymore, this is why I said that you sound exactly like an apologetic defending the atrocities from the bible. Teru and Shigeo's brother were pretty damn close to getting killed and even they were begging Shigeo to save them because they could BARELY defend themselves, when you have comrades or families in a life or death situation you won't leave their lives in the hands of a weak idiot saying "Stop, don't fight and save them, I'll handle things on my own" when you already know that the person is not even capable of defending himself and will get killed in 5 seconds or less, this isn't rational at all and I cringe when I see people like you actually defending bullshit like this. Shigeo's brother and Teru could have died there thanks to the man-child stopping Shigeo from saving them. What Reigen tried to do wasn't self sacrifice, it was simply suicide because once he dies the bad guys would have catched them and they would be in the same situation as before, the only difference is that an idiot would be dead. Also calling reigen a man-child shows just how little u pay attention to this series and his character. Reigen is a mature adult who thinks on a broader scale when making decisions, unlike the useless adults in other shows where all they do is stay in the background watching the children try to kill each other and fight enemies twice their size at the young age of even 11. |
BarnaldMar 6, 2019 5:14 AM
xZabuzax said: reigen is putting them in danger? What kind of nonsense are you spouting? Its the claw putting them in danger, not reigen. This would not work in a real life situation because irl kids dont have super powers which means when facing enemies it makes sense to leave it to the adults.NJGore said: Okay, but Mob always trusted Reigen so he didn't know. Sarcrifice or suicide... Reigen wanted to buy time bullsh*tting or whatever. You keep saying that Reigen is the childish one, but in a serious thought the message to manchildren is in Claw, not Reigen. Please stop, don't do the same the other person did in defending crap like this because this will never work in a real life situation and if you actually do it in real life then you would be considered an idiot. Claw was a bunch of manchildrens but Reigen is a manchildren and an idiot to boot for putting the lives of kids in danger for doing the crap he just did. And Shigeo is a gullible fool for trusting Reigen in that situation in the first place when that faker was only talking his ass off and instructing Shigeo to not use his power to save them, so Reigen is not only a manchild and an idiot but he's also a hypocrite because the reason he's alive is because they used their powers to save his ass in the first place. If you have the power to save your brother and your comrade when they are CLEARLY BEGGING TO BE SAVED then you use your power to save them and this is non-debatable so stop, they could have died 2 seconds later for trusting an idiot like Reigen which could do nothing on his own. When you have the power to save people then you save them, you will only use the "talking crap" bullshit like Reigen did as a last resort. Mob may be a psychic but dont forget hes just a middle schooler, so like the age of 13. Letting a 13 yr old lose control of their power and possibly kill everyone here and be traumatized for life, not to mention he's already traumatized from hurting his brother with his power when they r kids, is not something a caring adult would do. If its u sure you'd value ur life first and encourage a 13 yr old to kill his enemies, but ur not reigen and with ur selfish mentality u'd never understand how reigen would think. You probably never have kids so you don't understand the feeling of wanting to protect them from harm. Sure they have powers but in the end they r still kids. |
BarnaldMar 6, 2019 5:14 AM
| Reigen sure was a dick to Mob in this episode. |
Resus-2 said: i just had to create an account to respond to this because it seems that you are indeed being an idiot in your responses as zabuza pointed out. i re-watched that episode and zabuza is the one telling the truth here, mob was actually trying to protect them and reigen was stopping him and telling him to run away because he will handle things by talking to them. we all know reigen couldn't do nothing there so he was indeed putting their lives in danger. and the irony here is that you say that reigen told mob to focus on defense (this never happened) so you are lying and if mob run away as reigen wanted him to do then what do you think would have happened to teru, his brother and reigen? they would have died. and how could they escape if they were being attacked? they couldn't so they were depending on mob to use his powers to save them and then they could run away and that's what mob tried to do, he tried to use his power to save them and then run away with them but reigen stopped mob in doing it and instead told him to run away and to leave things to the adults and hence, putting their lives in danger, including reigen's life. Reigen's specific words to Mob were not to face them "head-on" with murderous intent. He did not tell Mob specifically not to use power. In fact, Reigen had encouraged Mob to use his powers the way he sees fit in episode 6, and he affirmed that the use of violence is justified for the sake of self-defense. The combination of these two lessons is an implicit assent for Mob to use whatever means he has at his disposal to defend himself, and that includes psychic powers. Let's apply real world analogy to the scenario. If you're a teacher/guardian with a group of kids, facing a lunatic mass murderer at school, and, for some strange reason, some of the kids have knives on them. As a guardian, you will not tell the children to fight the murderer, even if it's to save the kids that are already hurt. The kid's objective would be to get to a safe place, but if the killer catches up to him, he can and should use the knife, or whatever means he has at his disposal, to fight back. This course of action stands regardless of how good the kid is with a knife - because no matter how strong a child is, he cannot and should not be responsible for another child's life. That is the same logic Reigen operates on. To assume that everything would turn out well if Mob uses his power is a logical fallacy because the characters are not privy to the same information about their situation as we the audience are. Neither Reigen nor Mob are aware of how powerful Mob's powers actually are compared to the adult espers (especially Ishigami), and neither can we as the audience actually predict the consequence of Mob going berserk. You cannot fault Reigen's decisions based on YOUR derived optimal strategy because they literally know next to nothing about the true nature of psychic powers! If you cannot see what's inside the darkness, the rational choice is not to plunge into it but to stay away from it. By that same extension, retreating is under MOST scenarios the safest choice when there is limited information available. If the same tools and powers are employed between two options, tactical retreat would yield the highest probability of survival for Mob. |
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Resus-2 said: sure, mob would not face them with murderous intent but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't try to protect them either, he's not your regular kid, he's a mini-superman, if mob run away he would be saved and the others would die so by this logic zabuza is telling the truth here, when mob tried to protect them reigen was stopping him so zabuza was also telling the truth here. your analogy with the kids is acceptable but mob is stronger than them, would everything turn out well for mob there if he tried protecting them? who knows, reigen strategy was saving mob and sacrificing the others and himself. a tactical retreat for mob is good but I'm sure mob didn't wanted anyone to die so he would stay there to ensure that everyone is saved, would that be the correct decision for mob? that's debatable I guess, the way you explained things made sense too. so the way i see it is like this, a murderer with a knife is attacking a group of kids and he will kill them unless someone protects them, the only kid that can protect them is a kid with a gun (aka: mob) and everytime the kid with the gun tried to protect them an adult tells that kid to run away, so in this situation what would be the correct decision? letting the kid with the gun to protect them or letting the murderer kill all the kids there? note: if the kid had a knife then the correct decision would be to run away in a tactical retreat but if that kid has a gun then everything changes and that's how i see it, in this situation mob is the one with the gun and is the one that can protect them. i'm sure zabuza is also seeing it this way. It seems I need to emphasizing even more on *the lack of information*. Mob is facing adult espers for the first time in this arc and nobody knows how strong his powers are compared to these espers. In episode 11, Reigen even expressed surprise at the fact that there are espers apart from Mob. We, the audience, assumes Mob has superior powers based on the sole fact that this is the work of ONE who also did One Punch Man - but that is not a legitimate evidence! As far as Reigen and Mob are aware, both Mob and the Scar members are espers. This means that if Mob is holding a knife, then the Scar members are holding knives. If Mob is holding a gun, so are the Scar members. The brand or model of the gun makes no difference, because any person with a gun CAN kill another person with a gun. And everybody here should know that Mob is not invincible like Saitama. To assume that Mob is a mini-superman is to cheapen his entire character. Mob is mentally and physically a 14 year old kid who does not fully grasp the concept of responsibility or accountability. He has anxiety issues, low self-esteem, suffers from panic attacks, and he occasionally lets emotions get the better of him. The fact that Mob lost to Koyama in their first fight, then proceed to let Muto incapacitate him and let Sho capture him DESPITE their overwhelming difference in psychic abilities just proves that Mob does not have the necessary battle experience to face every situation. From the perspective of a responsible adult, Reigen should not let Mob fight because there is always the RISK of harm. As long as Mob has a chance of dying, Reigen has the responsibility of minimizing that possibility based on the little information he has, which goes back to the option of retreat. |
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Resus-2 said: i just had to create an account to respond to this because it seems that you are indeed being an idiot in your responses as zabuza pointed out. i re-watched that episode and zabuza is the one telling the truth here, mob was actually trying to protect them and reigen was stopping him and telling him to run away because he will handle things by talking to them. we all know reigen couldn't do nothing there so he was indeed putting their lives in danger. and the irony here is that you say that reigen told mob to focus on defense (this never happened) so you are lying and if mob run away as reigen wanted him to do then what do you think would have happened to teru, his brother and reigen? they would have died. and how could they escape if they were being attacked? they couldn't so they were depending on mob to use his powers to save them and then they could run away and that's what mob tried to do, he tried to use his power to save them and then run away with them but reigen stopped mob in doing it and instead told him to run away and to leave things to the adults and hence, putting their lives in danger, including reigen's life. Well you've wasted your time then cause you're not understanding the situation here. Like I've said many many many fucking goddamn times Reigen did NOT tell Mob to stop defending himself and talk it out with the enemies. The exact words he said are "Don't bother with them. Don't fight back." It does not mean stop defending yourself it means do not attack them do not go on the offense. Reread what i fucking typed in my response to zzabuxa. I did NOT say Reigen tells Mob to focus on defense. He said "Don't bother with them. Don't fight back." He means do not waste time on attacking them. Focus on defense and find the opportunity to escape. i said thats what he means by his words, not word for word what he said. Get your facts right before falsely accusing someone next time. that's what mob tried to do, he tried to use his power to save them and then run away with them No, that is NOT what Mob was trying to do. He was trying to fight back with murderous intent, which is why Reigen said "Dont stoop to their level." Seriously, go watch that episode 50 times and then maybe realization will dawn on you. |
| 4 years ago, Reigen quit/got fired from his last job. Mob is striving in the telephatic and bodybuilding club, they went to celebrate some birthdays, but Mob had to go early cause Reigen forced him to work (even when Mob tried to say no). After the job, Mob and Reigen discussed that sometimes Mob have things to do and Reigen doesn't respect that, Mob decided not to go for a while to the office. Reigen, after a period of depression, found the energy to have success by his own (learning other kind of jobs), getting really popular. One day, a guy invited Reigen to a TV show, where Jodo (old psychic) is too. The hole episode was about Reigen, despite the fact that Mob now is making his own decisiones, Reigen realize that he is the lonely one, and Mob's absence affects him more than he thinks. As I can read, this is the beginning of an arc. |
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joe_g7 said: Well, only the part of the TV show, about the popularity, Reigen acquired it by himself.So this whole thing is a setup by that old fat dude. |
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| This is one of my favorite arcs in the story and I believe the Anime is better than the manga. I rarely say that but in this case, the visuals, the color, animation, music, voice acting, sequencing and everything is just breathtaking. I love how Mob stood up for himself and how Reigen realized how lonely he truly was. What I admire about Reigen is that he was willing to try something new. He left a comfort zone, a dead-end job and took a risk. That risk led him to meeting Mob and living the life he has now. He's not rich but he has met a lot of people both good and bad. I admire his determination to move on. |
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| I’m proud of Mob for ditching Reigen. I can’t wait for everything to come crashing around Reigen next episode. |
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| i hope reigen learns his lessons now |
| Mob is making progress in his body improvement club. Haruto from the telepathy club and Hiroshi of the body improvement club had birthday and so they decided to celebrate it together. Mob seemingly had fun with everyone since Reigen called him for help. But Reigen made a big mistake this time, by saying Mob shouldn't let himself getting exploid by other people. With that Mob decided to ditch Reigen. At first Reigen was down even if he said to himself he don't need Mobs help and that he will come back one day. But that didn't happen and so he decided to change his life. He got very famous, so much that he got invited to a television show. It transpired that Kirin just wanted revenge for Reigens kick which knocked him out :D Oh boy I don't have a good feeling for Reigen in the next episode. |
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| This sure was quite the interesting character development, really do wonder what will happen next and if Mob will actually go back to him! Let's found out next. |
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| Reigen dug his own grave when he told Mob too much shit. But now he's dug himself even deeper. Seriously what was he thinking? |
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| He's trying to become a successful, recognizable individual rather than spiraling into depression after realizing how empty his life is (his line of work doesn't really help). The guy's only friend is a middle schooler and now that Mob's focusing more on his social life, Reigen is left to do things on his own again. The bar scene was pretty sad :( |
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| I like how time apart is making both Mob and Reigen mature :') Reigen was kinda harsh on Mob, just assuming he's all lonely or weak without him :( I'm indifferent about Reigen. Sometimes he gives good advice, but I really don't like his high ego and lies when he has no actual psychic powers *sigh* |
| While Reigen's belittling of Mob's feelings towards his other friends was really douchey and insensitive thing for him to say to him in general, the strongest feeling I had witnessing that scene was actually pity for Reigen. It's selfish of him to want Mob all to himself but he didn't have greedy intentions behind the crap he said to him. If he really was still a materialistic conman like he was before he Mob, he would've have accepted the reward from the Asagiri Incident without a single doubt but he didn't. He's just possessive of Mob because in reality, he was the one who had no one to lean on to. He's unable to confront those subconscious feelings at the scene but it was actually just him projecting his own frustrations towards himself to other people. Reigen being in denial made me feel even more pity for him because he's desperately trying to face away from his own situation so hard on the inside and it definitely shows when he saw Mob with his friends even if the delivery was really funny and silly. It made me even sadder that it becomes clearer and clearer to him that he had always been alone and everything in his life for the most part of his adulthood was shallow and empty. He depends on Mob as much as he did on him because Reigen saw his lonely self in him and became kindred spirits. That fight of theirs was an eye-opener for the both of them that allowed their personal growth to spread out even more but I really hope that they'll make up for it eventually. It made me glad that figuring out how much of a mess he was made him independently strive to be the best psychic he can be so he can let Mob makes up for the time he hadn't spent with his friends and have him ponder on his pent-up thoughts and real feelings towards the aspects of his life. I'm proud of Reigen to rise up like that but that ugly old guy's petty grudge forced him to be soon caught in an live expose that will undo everything he'd worked so hard for for years if Mob doesn't do anything about it... |
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| It's about time Reigen get exposed for using Mob so much! |
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| I'm proud of Mob for standing up for himself! Reigen's character has always annoyed me, but after watching this episode, I can kind of see why he is the way he is. He needs Mob, whereas Mob doesn't need him at all. |
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| Reigen has really messed up there saying that stuff to Mob. I think that Reigen doesn't worry about Mob not having anyone to turn to, but that he's actually lonely himself |
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| Mob is steadily improving his life making friends and having fun meanwhile Reigen said too much. He was too critical on Mob and now he is alone. Kind of a depressing atmosphere. Reigen might be in trouble this time. |
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| ONE's writing shines excellently here. Characters actually making choices, going their own way, and not just sticking to the established formulae. Well, I guess they'll end up working together eventually... |
| Finally an episode that utterly shows what kind of a person Reigen is in reality and how not fair he acted towards Mob Yeah, I'm not Reigen's fan, lol. |
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| Damn is Reigen gonna get exposed on live TV? Looks that way :s |
| I have a third testicle that gives me psychic powers |
| Dat orange hair guy really got what he deserved because using Mob's too much. And he must realise for not using Mob's everytime, forever, like shitty parasite. Now he get full screen time, here, and even got his flashback. His characterization get so much development, yet, still his inner was really irked til my bone. Fortunately for him, he finished the change into a good one. Even he got a sudden popularity toward its changing. What a great development for the series, tho. Now he get haters, and trying to destroy his charisma. Can he defend his popular charm? Lets see how this improvement impact the Mob's power. Because i just need more action. Not this melodrama back past remembering with no further progression to the main one. Oh, damn. |
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| semi chilled out episode compared to the last previous few, nice change of pace. Reigen might have pushed it to far this time around, and i guess with mob's influx in self confidence and friends, hes able to talk to more people then just Reigen. But surprised Reigen managed to climb that far in popularity, but surprised the old man from last episode wants revenge on him for... well more or less kneeing him out of the possession of a fucking strong af vengeful spirit? talk about thanks. |
| About time mob started thinking for himself, and about time reigen finally stop depending on mob. Ironic, since mob believed he was depending on reigen the whole time. Which he was actually, in a sense, since reigen gave him that sense of security. But now we have rapid character growth in mob as he continues to break his shell and think more freely. But this arc is about reigen, and I guess they’re doing a good job of making a story about someone who is not the main character, somewhat interesting. |
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| What's really going on...wow Good episode. |
| I was wondering why Reigen was such a cool dude lately, but this episode reminded me why I dislike him. |
| reigen focused ep, been waiting for this. the way no bg music/ost plays when reigen's not with another character is so good. truly emphasizes how lonely he is. and the things he said about mob after having that fight was probably things he felt himself "mob is definitely feeling lonely right now" "without me, he'll be all alone" saying all those things to cope. the scene where he was on his computer at his place was my favorite, silence, just clicking and noises that the computer makes, him getting a message and finding out that its a notification of his birthday, a day dedicated to him which he himself forgot. mob speaking up and doing shit that he wants to is also nice, he's aware of the situation and doesn't just follow everything he's told to now |
| What a plot twist... I don't see reigen staying famous forever but dang.. jodo is just cruel. Hopefully reigen will be alright |
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| This is probably my favorite episode of season 2. I really liked seeing more about Reigen his life as I think he is a really interesting character. |
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| At the end of the day all you have is yourself and that’s alright, I wanted Reigen to awaken some kind of psychic ability it would have been cool |
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| Man... I really felt bad for Reigen in this episode. No friends... huh? That's sad... |
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| It's so nice to see Mob have an actual friend group of his own with whom he can hang out and are pretty supportive of him. Okay, Reigen was being an asshole for a moment there. He had taken Mob for granted for way too long. But it was pretty sad to see him leading such a sham life, with barely any 'friends' and probably only his mom who actually thinks of him anymore. Welp his fame skyrocketed but doesn't seem like his TV gig will go well. Jodo's definitely planning to expose/humiliate him. |
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| Great to see Mob having fun with his friends although that clashes with his part-time job over at Reigen's. While their separation did break my heart, seeing as Reigen nearly sacrificed his life back in S1 to make sure Mob doesn't fall down the wrong path, it was about time he faced some consequence for thinking he could do with Mob as he pleased. It also highlights how Mob is expressing his opinions more clearly so that's a big plus. Hoping for a re-union, please. |
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| This episode really went deep on Reigen's character, I wasn't expecting a story about him tbh. This is great improvement tho, I feel bad for what happened to Reigen but you can say he deserved it. Going in on Mob like that but I understand that it's what he's going through, the irony is crazy! That old man looks up to something... I just hope Reigen makes up with Mob. |
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| Oh man, the next episode. I'm feeling the pain already |
| 35 push-ups?? So even Mob is stronger than my weak ass who can only do about 20... What a wild ride though- and we're not even finished. Mob seems to finally get fed up with Reigen interfering with his private life and stands up for himself- although he also kind of misinterprets Reigen's words of "grow up already" meaning to separate himself from Reigen, stop relying on his guidance and direction, and become more independent. But this whole conversation in turn eventually sends Reigen on a downwards spiral as he realizes he's not much without Mob, who gave some legitimacy to his fake job. But the man doesn't back down and surrender to being down in the dumps, and instead gets back up on his feet and starts to make a difference in his life at the same time while giving a positive impact on the lives of others. Surely all is good now and the next episode should be all fine and dandy... |
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