The Saga of Tanya the Evil (light novel)
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AhmadKanime said: So This epi was quite awesome.. specially that war scenes though.. the whole epi set out for continuation of Tanya's war and believe.. that ship appearing scenes! Sogui... well done NUT P.S. I just realized that Tanya physical appearance and look in LN(ending) is bit matured & girlish with badass attitude (that i totally like it) but anime done her look alot more like a stubborn child :/ (why???) The creator of Youjo Senki, Carlo Zen, specifically wanted the character to be drawn down in the anime so that people wouldn't 'waifu' her. |
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terrablu2003 said: Even I have not read other people comments, since you ruined my surprise to some concerns LoGH. XD Whoops, I'm apparently one of those people who post spoilers lol. But I didn't say how he died, does it still count? |
| I know I'm not the first, but... Her name is LITERALLY Mary Siouxue. |
Takuan_Soho said: elkensteyin said: The creator of Youjo Senki, Carlo Zen, specifically wanted the character to be drawn down in the anime so that people wouldn't 'waifu' her. Thank you for that, it increases my opinion of the writer even more. This is a writer who is "very aware" of everything (s)/he writes. I respect that. Out of curiosity, has the gender of the writer been established? Of course the name makes one think the writer is male, but I have some suspicions on that. Doesn't really matter to me, good is good, but it would be nice to know. While everyone knows that Carlo Zen is just a pen name, He/she has been pretty thorough about covering their tracks on their actual identify - there's this that you might be able to translate, however: https://twitter.com/sonzaix |
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elkensteyin said: The creator of Youjo Senki, Carlo Zen, specifically wanted the character to be drawn down in the anime so that people wouldn't 'waifu' her. Well well that not my point here.. even if she will be like that LN type no one will WAIFU her .. why would someone waifu a trap character(she/he is boy, this is his 2nd life as loli girl :P so u know why being X make him loli :P ) |
AhmadKanime said: why would someone waifu a trap character(she/he is boy, this is his 2nd life as loli girl :P so u know why being X make him loli :P It's not a trap as long as they are biologically female and have no qualms over that fact. From that perspective, they are both the gender and sex of a female, so they are female. If you think no one will waifu a character just because they were a male forever ago, go look up Danbooru's page for Cagliostro from Granblue Fantasy. |
neonie said: It's not a trap as long as they are biologically female and have no qualms over that fact. From that perspective, they are both the gender and sex of a female, so they are female. Its not about a sex .. even though he is perfectly female with appearance, be realistic here. we all know he don't believe in GOD so the biggest sign. Being X show him that if i make u female from male I CAN DO ANYTHING why so blind? more Tanya is male from mind-to-her-act. |
| I thoroughly enjoyed watching Tanya school that idiot general in the meeting room Great episode as usual and it was definitely worth the extra wait imo....I felt bad for the old dude on the enemy team but hey, when you go against the GOAT, you're pretty much asking to get rekt lol And man Tanya is just on a whole other level but whats even better is that she gets more savage with each episode....Like this girl not only humiliated that old guy twice, but she took his gun that he got from his cute daughter and is now using it to kill this poor man's countrymen xDDDDD |
AhmadKanime said: neonie said: It's not a trap as long as they are biologically female and have no qualms over that fact. From that perspective, they are both the gender and sex of a female, so they are female. Its not about a sex .. even though he is perfectly female with appearance, be realistic here. we all know he don't believe in GOD so the biggest sign. Being X show him that if i make u female from male I CAN DO ANYTHING why so blind? more Tanya is male from mind-to-her-act. I... Don't understand the connection's your making between the conclusions you're drawing. Tanya being female has nothing to do with her belief in God. Being mentally female would not make her believe in God anymore than being Male would. And the way you act doesn't have an affect on Gender or Sex one way or another. You can act masculine or feminine to try to convince people of you're gender, but Tanya has done neither. From a character perspective, Tanya has acted completely gender neutral this entire series. Meaning that, being a biological female, and acting in a gender neutral manner, they are female. They were once male. The life they lived as a male is gone. Tanya, for all intents and purposes, is completely female. |
| Some animation issues aside this was a great episode. It was interesting to see Sioux revisited and come to a conclusion. Being X seems to be making this too easy... But seriously, the death was honestly unexpected as he is in the opening after all. Will he somehow return? |
| The moment in the beginning between the father and his daughter was quite sad actually. Knowing the might of the empire the Father a serving military officer is forced to send his daughter away to protect her while he fights to protect his country. God i hope that they are able to see each other again. It was kinda nice when she told him to remember about Christmas though. To think that Mary's present to her father was a SMG though. She's both a patriot and a loving daughter. So Tanya's tactics that she wants to use are to draw out the fight and exhaust the enemy then while at the same time using only minimal resources on their part eh. While the tactic certainly will work it will waste time as well. As ever Tanya's reasons for doing so are faultless in both tactics and reasoning. Hmm though i can't tell at this point im not sure just what tactics the northern front has been using so far but he seems sensitive to criticism of his leadership. Though this front seems to have a lot more resources than the western front that Tanya came from. Still its funny watching Tanya make fun of the northern front commander by using the truth though. Its nice that command seems to value Tanya for her strategy though. Tanya's really struggling with her height eh lol. Still this proposed offensive would only work as a decoy as it will not be able to do much anyway. Ah so this offensive was designed as a decoy after all which would allow another force to land by sea at the enemies rear eh. Smart move on commands part actually. If anything Tanya is pretty intelligent. Defensively the ford is a perfect defensive choke point as it funnels the enemy straight into the massed defenses guarding it. Against normal troops then the ford will be a tough nut to crack. Again mages thats another story. It is sad that as the war goes on the younger your reinforcements will get. Hmm a surprise assault on the ford using Tanya's battalion eh. The chance of victory is slim but Tanya and her men can often pull off the impossible quite readily. Bet the enemy didn't expect such a bold assault on the ford with so few men. As expected that they would make use of hit and run attacks on the ford's defenses though. Man Tanya's forces are scarily effective though. Its interesting seeing Tanya and the enemy commander commands their troops though as both want their men to do the opposite of what the enemy wants. Its kinda sad that the enemy commander lost though. Though this is war after all part of me did wish for him to somehow defeat Tanya and be able to see his daughter again. The fact that a single battalion managed to take out such heavy defenses on their own though is a shock. But man the gall of Tanya though to steal the commanders gun as well. So despicable. With this defeat for the enemy they sure are on their last legs. I hope god will be able to turn this around though. The commanders wife now widow and her daughter must be devastated though on hearing the news that the port has fallen |
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| God is her rival lol. On a different note, when she took the Colonel's rifle, that was so savage lol. Can't hate the MC for trying to survive. PipeBoss said: I liked the episode but, now I am wondering where is the subject X after the miracle, things went easy for Tanya, she doesn't have any rival. The Coronel should have given Tanya a hard battle but from my perspective, he died in a simple way. (I hadn't read the novel yet so do not blame me). |
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| That's a good theory. I think he was too important to the story to die so soon. Naudri said: rajaxking said: God is her rival lol. On a different note, when she took the Colonel's rifle, that was so savage lol. Can't hate the MC for trying to survive. I'm willing to bet God gave him/her the blessed jewel so that Tanya gets confident, and when he/she's used to it, he will make it stop working, to show him/her despair. |
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| I am so stoked to see how this all comes together! I'm loving all the little threads that are being laid down. |
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pall_haigoli said: In most of the Light Novel and Manga Readers eye... I don't know what social group you usually hang with, but saying most of them are trashing the anime because the character design is kind of an overstatement. Yea, when they first announced the character design there was a huge wave of complain but it didn't last. There are still some fans of the LN and Manga still bashing it, but they are hardly representative of the reader population. |
| After this episode I'm pretty sure Being X ain't god. If it was god he would intervene in the showdown to help the guy that actually believes in god and was praying to him, instead of Tanya the heretic... I'm betting his the Devil and his trying to fuck that world up by puppetering Tanya or something. |
Snaita said: After this episode I'm pretty sure Being X ain't god. If it was god he would intervene in the showdown to help the guy that actually believes in god and was praying to him, instead of Tanya the heretic... LOL. You really should read the old testament more. Being X acts exactly like how the god was depicted in the old testament. It's the right amount of assholeness. |
garyborken said: Snaita said: After this episode I'm pretty sure Being X ain't god. If it was god he would intervene in the showdown to help the guy that actually believes in god and was praying to him, instead of Tanya the heretic... LOL. You really should read the old testament more. Being X acts exactly like how the god was depicted in the old testament. It's the right amount of assholeness. Just calling it how I see it ironically. Don't know why but I got a feeling he ain't god, at least not the god his claiming to be nor the one Tanya thinks he's trying to be. |
| The battle scenes were beautiful, no wonder the production team is having difficulties keeping up the excellent quality. Despite a few derpy moments, it still looks great. Not to mention that Tanya's ruthless and insightful self is as impressive as always. Her sense of strategic thinking is also excellent, although the commanding officer did provide a hint or two. Above all, though, I liked the scene of Tanya sipping coffee as she was glancing over the landscape ravaged by fire and destruction... |
| I may have been wrong in my discussion with @worldeditor11 in the episode 5 thread. This show might actually be intentionally trying to portray the horrors of war in contrast to Tanya's sociopathic perspective. And this is an intentional contrast not cognitive dissonance. But it still kinda rings false to me with the silly nature of the premise and with how the show keeps feeding Tanya's ego. |
NeromonMar 4, 2017 11:33 PM
Neromon said: I may have been wrong in my discussion with @worldeditor11 in the episode 5 thread. This show might actually be intentionally trying to portray the horrors of war in contrast to Tanya's sociopathic perspective. And this is an intentional contrast not cognitive dissonance. But it still kinda rings false to me with the silly nature of the premise and with how the show keeps feeding Tanya's ego.  Sup??? Actually, I dropped this anime... |
| Well now that the war is going so well for Tanya, it would be time for X to come in and mess it up again. |
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| Like always, Tanya do a good job. |
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blixie said: Alcatraz_Zombie said: Rewatched it. Thanks! Interesting that they brought back such an uninteresting character.You might want to re-watch episode 2. He was one of the enemy commanders that fought Tanya on her first mission. They even flashed some scenes from their first encounter when he noticed she was there. And he is back once again. |
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| Good action again. LOL Tanya trying to point up high on the map. |
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Neromon said: I may have been wrong in my discussion with @worldeditor11 in the episode 5 thread. This show might actually be intentionally trying to portray the horrors of war in contrast to Tanya's sociopathic perspective. And this is an intentional contrast not cognitive dissonance. But it still kinda rings false to me with the silly nature of the premise and with how the show keeps feeding Tanya's ego. I think you misunderstand the premise. The anime isn't trying to show the horrors of war, it is just trying to show war.One's side's horror is another sides miracle. The Empire easily saved themselves hundreds of thousands of casualties by the successful amphibious assault in this episode. While the anime also showed the horrors of defeat on the Entente Alliance, it also showed that they were out maneuvered, out thought, and out fought by the Empire. This episode is actually the best example in anime of a smart war. The Empire had clear and obtainable strategic objectives. The operational objectives were in line to reach the strategic objectives. And the tactical objectives allowed for the operational objectives to be met. |
Phaetons_Folly said: I think you misunderstand the premise. The anime isn't trying to show the horrors of war, it is just trying to show war. I don't see the difference as war can only be seen as horrific. This episode showed the tragic death of an empire soldier who was a good patriotic man and had a loving family. In war, people like him die all the time, both civilians and soldiers. For both sides. |
Neromon said: I don't see the difference as war can only be seen as horrific. This episode showed the tragic death of an empire soldier who was a good patriotic man and had a loving family. In war, people like him die all the time, both civilians and soldiers. For both sides. Yes, but the fact there is tragedy doesn't mean that net benefit of war is negative. The truth is that prosperity or lack of prosperity for most of the people in the world are a direct result conflicts generations ago. The British gained control of the Seas after the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805 and prospered from that control until the lost it in WWII. The Untied States became the first liberal democracy in history after fighting a war for independence. South Korea is an extremely prosperous country, and that is a direct result of hundreds of thousands of people from dozens of countries fighting to defend it from North Korea and China. The soldiers of the Empire were celebrating at the end of the episode because they know their success greatly shortened the war and saved lives on both sides, but especially theirs. |
Neromon said: Phaetons_Folly said: I think you misunderstand the premise. The anime isn't trying to show the horrors of war, it is just trying to show war. I don't see the difference as war can only be seen as horrific. This episode showed the tragic death of an empire soldier who was a good patriotic man and had a loving family. In war, people like him die all the time, both civilians and soldiers. For both sides. Guys, guys, Iam afraid you both have it wrong. First @Neromon Don't be horrified what Iam gonna say, but war is quiet enjoyable. Well not enjoyable but there out are certain individuals, who enjoy it. For start, we all here are probably those weirdos. People who don't enjoy it, do not watching war movies/shows/animes and dont play FPS games. I dont really believe there are some who watch this to see horrors of war. From viewer/player perspective. And then there are real people who "enjoy" real war. Soldiers who feel responsibily and duty to their country and fighting some war oversea. Not just "peacekeeping" mission. Or because their friends are there as well and fight for fellow soldiers. And not just once, but keep going on mission volunterily over and over. And Iam sure there are some sadistic sociopaths who tricks psychology tests, if country have some, to get into the slaughter. @Phaetons_Folly Show is based on novel and what I read, it is written by some non-japanese communist, who hate Tanya and his own story and trying to prove that something is wrong with society to adore little loli hitler like half of us here doing. Also Tanya is/were salarysmen, and is proved that big portion of capitalistic manager and CEO are psychopaths, because bearoucracy system allow them to promote higher and quicker then normal people by cold attitude. Our main hero/heroine from fleshback was exactly somebody like it, kicking out people from company for their bosses. And it killed him. And now she doing exactly same but in military. That for novel, anime is going its own way, more strict and military, I think show is doing exactly by those people writer hate, those who adore Tanya :D But I like it more like it is so premise changed to cool military anime with evil MC with some atheist/feith strugle? |
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Martin_Taylor said: Don't be horrified what Iam gonna say, but war is quiet enjoyable. Well not enjoyable but there out are certain individuals, who enjoy it. For start, we all here are probably those weirdos. People who don't enjoy it, do not watching war movies/shows/animes and dont play FPS games. I dont really believe there are some who watch this to see horrors of war. From viewer/player perspective. And then there are real people who "enjoy" real war. Soldiers who feel responsibily and duty to their country and fighting some war oversea. Not just "peacekeeping" mission. Or because their friends are there as well and fight for fellow soldiers. And not just once, but keep going on mission volunterily over and over. And Iam sure there are some sadistic sociopaths who tricks psychology tests, if country have some, to get into the slaughter. Did you read my original post? I recognize the sociopathic perspective of finding joy in war and the show also shows it through Tanya. What you said in actually completely in line with what I'm trying to. The show condemns the people who enjoy war (proved by what you said about the writer hating Tanya) when it's at the expense of hundreds of thousands of men who genuinely fight and sacrifice themselves for their countries and families. |
| @Neromon No, just last three posts, sorry, then we are on same page. *highfive |
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| This episode was abit of a let down for me. I was expecting her first rival (the commander defending Fjord) to do some real damage to Tanya when he called for god to help him. I thought that this would show contrast between having faith in god to defend your country and the curse of having fate in god to use a weapon. |
| Nice Christmas gift. The old mage was terrified when he saw Tanya. The first part was funny, she guessed their plan in two minutes xD |
| I don't know what the producers had in mind, but this ep. were just weird. First of all, they introduced a man and his family that have not been important to the series or the plot and killed him in the same ep., though I believe that he is still alive somehow. It's would just be weird if he had so much screen time of the series and they would just get rid of him like that. If that isn't the case, then it would make me very confused. Because he is just like any other enemy officer Tanya have defeated up to now, expect that he has a bit more faith in God than the other officers. What I also disliked very much about this ep. were that the fight between Tanya and that guy were so short. When he came back to attack Tanya, I was so sure he would put up a fight and not get defeated in an instant. I also think it's quite boring that they Tanya's battalion wins all the time. I feel like they hadn't a real challenge up to now. We are half-through the series and there haven't been real challenge. I wonder how long "God" will tolerate Tanya's behavior and lack of faith. He have give her/him so much power and nothing have changed to now. If this keeps up to the end, it absolutely doesn't deserve anymore than 5-6/10. |
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Takuan_Soho said: AhmadKanime said: Well well that not my point here.. even if she will be like that LN type no one will WAIFU her .. why would someone waifu a trap character(she/he is boy, this is his 2nd life as loli girl :P so u know why being X make him loli :P ) You don't know Japan at all do you.... "Why" Is not something you should ask when it comes to WAIFUs, you just nod and then duck as the wars ensue. Not having Tanya as a WAIFU because she's a trap? Whoever put such a strange thing into you mind? God, I can already envision the cross gender yaoi hentai on this as we speak. If anything it will probably make her even MORE popular as a waifu. The world is wide and strange my friend, Japan is the world raised to the 100th power on this front. It's already out, pal. Just search for Tanya on rule34 or 4chan. You will find many pictures of her as a futa loli. xD And I am sure she is not the first one they drawn like that. I have only one thing to say and that's: "Welcome to the dark side of Japan". :P |
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