Why a 5?

DrBlock42 said:


1) Well, that's quite pretentious of you to say that your opinion is the objective truth and completely neglect mine by saying I should "finally learn what's right". Have you even listened to what I said in the last few posts - I explained in a lot of detail why I think visuals are important in a visual medium like film (seems like a no-brainer to me) and how they are necessary to create a good film/tv show.

2) Divine Gate looks absolutly horrible. The black shadows don't work with the muted colors and backgrounds. Looks like garbage. Trava: First planet did the same style with far less budget per episode - still looks good - Another proof that budget isn't important, it's talent.

3) Visuals =/= animation!

It's correct that Shinsekai Yori isn't especially fabulously animated (except for some scenes), but that's only in favor of the story. The visuals would've been worse if they'd pulled a One Punch Man - the blandness of the animation and the overly simple designs created a coherent visual foundation for the story.

(Shinsekai Yori is a good example of why there are no rules in writing. From a traditional perspective, the writing is horrible: Messy, incoherent, loaded with exposition, even lazy at times - But it works, because there are, in fact, no rules to story telling)

Aku no Hana's strongly conservative und unsettling rotorscoped animation (That isn't easier to pull of than traditional animation btw - another big missconception) creates, together with the stunning music (Never neglect the sound as it is 1/3 of the whole product), a dense atmosphere that gave the story it's emotional punch.

And about Ping Pong - It's animation is f-ing great! Taket this shot for example - The animation is raw, powerfull and full of detail. Masaaki Yuasa stays away from correcting the animation and using complicated designs to leaves space for his animators to express themselves, something that you feel in the every frame of the show.

In conclusion: All these shows have absolutely stunning visuals, coupled with great stories - That's why I like them so much.



Did you even listend to what I said before??

let me repeat it for you:


And I'm still waiting for an explanation WHY you find Flip Flappers, Free!, NGE, etc. to be bad; As it stands, you don't have a reason for it ...

DrBlock42 said:


1) Well, that's quite pretentious of you to say that your opinion is the objective truth and completely neglect mine by saying I should "finally learn what's right". Have you even listened to what I said in the last few posts - I explained in a lot of detail why I think visuals are important in a visual medium like film (seems like a no-brainer to me) and how they are necessary to create a good film/tv show.

2) Divine Gate looks absolutly horrible. The black shadows don't work with the muted colors and backgrounds. Looks like garbage. Trava: First planet did the same style with far less budget per episode - still looks good - Another proof that budget isn't important, it's talent.

3) Visuals =/= animation!

It's correct that Shinsekai Yori isn't especially fabulously animated (except for some scenes), but that's only in favor of the story. The visuals would've been worse if they'd pulled a One Punch Man - the blandness of the animation and the overly simple designs created a coherent visual foundation for the story.

(Shinsekai Yori is a good example of why there are no rules in writing. From a traditional perspective, the writing is horrible: Messy, incoherent, loaded with exposition, even lazy at times - But it works, because there are, in fact, no rules to story telling)

Aku no Hana's strongly conservative und unsettling rotorscoped animation (That isn't easier to pull of than traditional animation btw - another big missconception) creates, together with the stunning music (Never neglect the sound as it is 1/3 of the whole product), a dense atmosphere that gave the story it's emotional punch.

And about Ping Pong - It's animation is f-ing great! Taket this shot for example - The animation is raw, powerfull and full of detail. Masaaki Yuasa stays away from correcting the animation and using complicated designs to leaves space for his animators to express themselves, something that you feel in the every frame of the show.

In conclusion: All these shows have absolutely stunning visuals, coupled with great stories - That's why I like them so much.



Did you even listend to what I said before??

let me repeat it for you:


And I'm still waiting for an explanation WHY you find Flip Flappers, Free!, NGE, etc. to be bad; As it stands, you don't have a reason for it ...

lzac said:
cuz it's T.R.A.S.H.

Should be lower than 5.

88expert said:

Flip flapper story make no sense.
Free too much backstory I say it already "we get it you got a bad past can you move on with your life"??
NGE: Shinji and his father. That's all you need to know
Ping pong: animation is bad. However characters and story are good.
Divine gate: I like the art style of it but animation not so much.
Cowboy bebop: Hey fune wo amu is good, www. Working haven't seen yet, Idol memory haven't seen yet, classicaloid only saw the first episode, Brave witches haven't seen yet. Then we got other show from last season that looks good too. Like, poco's udon world, magic kyun, nanbaka and etc.
Space dandy: Booby and booty really?? REALLY?? I'm too old for that

DrBlock42 said:

(...) Not beeing the best-looking show doesn't mean it is not good looking; Not having the best story, doesn't mean the story isn't good. (...)

88expert said:
(...)we got other show from last season that looks good too. Like, poco's udon world, magic kyun, nanbaka and etc. (...)

88expert said:

No. There are some other bad anime in MAL score that make no sense. Take Yuri on ice, Days, Musaigen, Fuuka and etc.

DrBlock42 said:

Flip Flappers: What about its story makes no sense? It made a looot of sense when I watched it - what are your specific problems with it?

NGE: You mean the incredibly developed and thought-provoking relationship of Shinji and his father? WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH IT? PLEASE, JUST GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE!

Ping Pong: Still disagree on that but luckily everything is subjective ... I'd still like to hear WHAT you dislike about Ping Pong's animation, though.

Cowboy Bebop: DO YOU EVEN READ THE COMMENTS YOU REPLY TO?

You originally asked for good looking shows that have a good story as well, I replied with a list of anime including Cowboy Bebop. Your answer was, that there are better-looking shows coming out nowadays. I replied to this comment of yours with a list of shows airing last season that looks, IMO, worse, but pointed out that

And now you're replying with

This blunt repeating of the same stupid shit does not prove any point of yours, only that this whole "discussion" consists of you endlessly repeating the same old arguments out of a childish need to not be wrong.

Space Dandy: Have you even watched any substantial amount of Space Dandy? As far as your list goes you haven't. If you'd have, you'd know that it is in fact not about tits and ass, but rather about a multitude of topics and ideas (Tits and ass being just a little part of it, used for comedic effect, but also to strengthen the disco atmosphere and to create cohesion between some of the stories (neglecting it completely at other times to better fit the story)).

But let's pretend it were only about tits and ass: Assuming that it's bad, only based on the topic of the comedy is simply close minded. The anime community is lashing out against "mainstream media", because it lumps together all animes based on the fact that they are anime, while it does the same thing internally.Your MAL profile tells me you're a princess Tutu fan. I assume that you, like most princess Tutu fans, try to get people to watch it by saying, that it is not a incredibly pink and cheesy story about magical girls or ballet, rather than "a tale of heroes and their struggle against fate" (quote MAL description). Please learn (see how annpying that sounds!) to come at every piece of art with the same open mindeness you ask other people for (or at least have for other pieces of art).

I assume the real reason you dislike Space Dandy without having even seen it is, that it's not artsy or deep enough. Because stories including jokes, tits, and jokes about tits can't be good - Wrong!


But anyways, let me explain why I think Fune wo Amu is bad IMO - and I mean explain and not just state that they're bad:

1) It's boring. The topic of dictionaries doesn't interest me in the slightest. Other shows that feature topics that seem uninteresting like K-On!, Ping Pong, The iDOLM@STER, Kuragehime or Doukyuusei made me care for it by making me care about the characters. These shows work so well because the characters absorb us into their point of view. Fune wo Amu's characters, on the other hand, are only defined through their passion for dictionaries. But because I don't care about dictionaries enough, I don't care about them.

2) The music is simply horrible. The OP is unfittingly upbeat and it's aesthetics and atmosphere don't correlate with the show itself. The orchestral insert songs are far too over-the-top. Aforementioned shows feature subtle soundtracks that make it easy to get into the show. The topics are presented as part of everyday life - This makes it easier to start caring about them. Fune wo Amu's OST, on the other hand, is overly dramatic and simply not fitting for the scope of the show. It makes it even harder to get into it and it's characters and even destroyed emotional moments like the death for me.

3) The visuals are uninspired. While there are some characterful cuts it feels mostly functional. It didn't achieve to sell me on what the characters see in dictionaries - Doukyuusei, for example, made me practically forget my sexuality and fall in love with the characters through its impeccable visual direction.



As you didn't reply to most of my comment, I assume, that you agree with me on these points.

And please. If you reply, think about your answer and take some time. I took one our for writing this comment as compact and followable as possible. If you want to engage in a conversation take some time to respect others time and oppinion like I do yours.

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What about Yuri on Ice doesn't deserve this high of a score?
And saying that other animes have wrong scores aswell (ignoring that this is fully subjective...) doesn't mean that this one can't be wrong aswell.

Goku said:
A 5 is too high. I'm debating whether it is a 2 or 1 atm.

Grimmjow1952 said:
Almost below 5, where it deserves to be. Reading through 88expert is hilarious though, this dude bashes NGE and defends this garbage, what a joke

88expert said:


No not really. I mean there are other anime that is waaay worst than this and got a 6-8. Like taboo tatto, kuzu no honkai, fuuka, Yuri on ice, SAO and saijaku muhai no bahamut

Rin_Kitsune said:
I honestly don't understand how this anime is rated so poorly. Is it really just cause people can't get used to the animation? Btw you do have to admit the OST is actually really good. I mean the show is meh right now but still not deserving of this low of a score. Are you actually trying to compare this to the trash called Big Order which is honestly, the WORST SHIT I HAVE EVER SEEN. Also, I'm actually very picky about my scores so I find my stance quite reasonable...

Basically these are the stances I see why the anime is so hated:
-animation
-holding hands power (honestly I agree, wtf is this shit but still 5 is too low)


-the terrible treatment of the first pair of handshakers from ep 1

Goku said:


Every anime you listed is better than handshakers. Sorry bud Handshakers is pure trash to me.

TuyNOM said:


This is his opinion, I don't think we should make fun of him. But I don't understand why he persists so much in his opinion.

In any case, HYPE ++++ episode 6 comes out tonight and I'm going to have a good time. xDDD

Grimmjow1952 said:


Yeah, it might be his opinion, but he's shitting on the opinion of others when he says other objectively better shows should have lower scores than this thing, it's like he wants others to make fun of him, it just ask for it.

88expert said:


Really?? Really??

Goku said:


Yup really. I've only ever given one anime a 1/10 that I actually completed. I have never given a 2/10 to an anime that I completed. Handshakers will either be the second 1/10 or the first 2/10 on the completed section of my list.

So yes everything you listed is either a little better than handshakers, or a lot better.

88expert said:


Did you even watch those anime I listed??

Goku said:


I didn't watch Fuuka or Yuri on Ice yet. I've have seen the rest though. I don't expect Yuri on Ice to get a 2/10 from me. I wont watch Fuuka since I generally avoid the music genre anime.

I hope you realized that being better than handshakers is not a hard feat. I don't like SAO, Taboo tatto, or Saijaku muhai no bahmut but I consider them a lot better than handshakers.

88expert said:


Is not the worst I have seen

Goku said:


Your opinion is your opinion. To me though, it is pretty damn bad. I honestly can't think of one thing I like about the series.

88expert said:


Then focus harder

Goku said:


Huh? Are you mad or something? I don't like something that you like, get over it.

Symphyon said:


Its not that hard but... to be fair, Hand Shakers is shitty, I've seen worse shows out there (Divergence Eve, Mars of Destruction, Skelter Heaven) but its still shit. It's not good, its not even average. It's at least a 2.

Symphyon said:


Even if I ain't I can still at least say what I have to say about what I saw... and well, base on what others said mostly that really isn't changing tbh.

Symphyon said:


There's not really any character development tho to be honest, and even if there is without me noticing... the way it was executed in that was abysma and pretty much poor, not really giving any sort of grasp for me to even care about the cast to make me move forward towards the showl.

Of course I've seen way worse executed wise (again, I mentioned some shows as examples of terrible execution or terribly looking CGI) but its not saying much since the show failed to give world building and explanation towards me as the viewer, the idea itself is dumb, the characters feels unlikable and are unlikable, the animation is hot garbage to the point where it made my eyes bleed, the music is pretty much mediocre as fuck for me to even go and move on. Directing is pretty much horrible and more apparent when the episodes passed by until the point I dropped it.

And again even if it was apparently there, then the main issue this show has is still the way it was executed, which again; poor and horrible.

Symphyon said:


But I wasn't pointing that the shows has good animation in the damn FIRST place. Lol. And I agree that good art and animation doesn't make it a good show, but bad art/animation doesn't make the show good either.

The only bad animes you have listed on this list from that is Taboo Tattoo and to some degree Hundred (because that show at least knows that its retarded unlike Hand Shakers), other than that the rest are either decent or average at best with few exceptions that I haven't seen or finished yet.

And again, I pointed out the reasons why Hand Shakers is shit. It falls in that category because the execution is poor and abysmal, everything about it reeks, not to mention the characters are unlikable as hell, the story is incomprehensible, the world building is not present and not apparent enough, nothing makes sense, the entire plot makes a shit ton of contradictions and plot holes bigger than Big Order, the series falls poor because of those regards, again, animation is hot garbage which if it was the only redeeming factor I would give it a 3-4 since I do give some point in the regard.

I just do not really see it honestly. It just reeks shit and it is shit.

Symphyon said:
The only bad animes you have listed on this list from that is Taboo Tattoo and to some degree Hundred (because that show at least knows that its retarded unlike Hand Shakers), other than that the rest are either decent or average at best with few exceptions that I haven't seen or finished yet.

GangsterCat said:
its already below 5 now lol

Rin_Kitsune said:
I have finally lowered my score to a high 5

TuyNOM said:


He hates Kuzu no Honkai and Re: Zero but Hand Shakers is excellent, according to him.
I imagine there are people who think differently or maybe he trolls...

88expert said:



There are some part in re zero that I like. When I say some I mean 10-20%. I would like the show a bit more if they stick to the plot and not go all over the place and gave us unanswer question

Kuzu no honkai (a.k.a. Trash's wish) is a show that I know is a red flag before I start the anime. I may pick it back up again (if I feel like torture myself) with unnecessary sex scene