Grisaia no Rakuen Episode 2 Discussion

MCPhatman said:
Good episode except the start no one has a problem with Yuuji who was molested by his sister and atleast 2 different men now get statutory raped by two clearly older women?

Nisx said:
wasnt the virginity talk at the start and the sex with Asako and JB
was a joke made by Yuuji to tease JB!?!

or am i wrong,
bcuz from the comment here i think ppl taking it seriously :X

thepath said:
OVA and 2nd season makes the 1st season look like sh*t. It is like 10x times better.

MCPhatman said:
Good episode except the start no one has a problem with Yuuji who was molested by his sister and atleast 2 different men now get statutory raped by two clearly older women?

thepath said:


Yuuji enjoyed it and he is so lucky. I wish if I was molested like him.

orangejws said:
I wish I had a master that would teach me various things ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

chakracat said:
Getting a child to fuck two adults.

Jesus Christ that's fucked up. But then again this shit occurs in real life so I'm not awfully surprised.

HaXXspetten said:
uhh it definitely happened

just some people finding JB's sex scene to be a bit immoral since it may or may not have been consensual (though I'm quite sure she was just being embarrassed about it)

Inugirlz said:


THIS. I'm appalled. I don't give a shit that it happens in the real world, Asako was supposed to be his guardian! You don't do that! I'm still waiting for them to say it was a joke...



Even if it was supposed to be taken as consensual since we all know hentai has the girl say "no" all the time even when she wants it. It shouldn't be seen as consensual because she was fully DRUNK. Asako pushed the situation, if she was in her right frame of mind she wouldn't have agreed, or gone along with it so easily despite all her weak "no--don't"s

Ugh that whole scene pissed me off, because unlike the earlier rape/perverted shit that happened in Yuuji's life that were clearly not ok, they're trying to write this off as ok. Im more upset about Asako than JB tho...Asako's the guardian.

Balut said:


^^^^^^^^Literally bless

Alot of people on other forums about Grisaia have been saying the legal age of consent in Japan is 13 and even if it is, its morally wrong and disgusting to see something like this to be looked at humorously in an anime and even think of Yuuji as "getting ass" or "a boss". Asako is pretty disgusting for taking advantage of him when he has been violated his whole life, and making him take advantage JB, even if she got drunk purposely, the whole thing was crude and offensive. and if you dont recall, Asako pressured JB into doing it. Looking at a VN adaptation too realistically or not, Its incredibly offensive and wrong. That one moment makes me want to drop this show entirely. If anyone here thinks that was okay, then you are probably a misogynistic asshole, _(ツ)_/.

Yuzuryn said:
I'm still surprised that they left the parts where Asako takes Yuuji's virginity and the comedic rape. (Even though JB is interested in Yuuji I'm pretty sure she would have liked for her first time with him to be more natural)
You'd think when an eroge gets an adaption that they'd remove all the sexual scenes that don't really contribute to the plot. Plus. Yuuji doing it with Asako and JB? Sure, he scored with some hot chicks. Tis creepy though. I wish they left it out.
The rest of the episode was nice though and I love my boi DANNYYYY. I could tell it was a bit rushed of course.
But Yuuji being wish fulfillment? Ehhh I don't really think so.

hyperknees91 said:


Super competent character who can solve other peoples problems like they're nothing and is an ace at anything requiring physical activity, and basically every chick that lays eyes on him for more than a minute falls in love with him.

Having a dark past doesn't make him any less wish fulfillment. If anything it just serves to make him cooler that he has a dark past to overcome. Especially with how Rakuen plays out.

Yuzuryn said:


I'll agree with you with the latter part such as every chick laying eyes on him wanting to get in his pants. That's common in eroge, but still the fact that people want to bone him exists and I won't deny that.

However, I wouldn't say he's super competent. In physical activity, yeah. There are reasons why but still he's competent in that area. Although in solving other people's problems he's far from perfect and he recognizes this. Majority of his plans to help out the girls have serious risks and had a huge chance of failure. Burying Michiru, going to kill Makina's mother, etc. That and he's not that great at socializing and even has trouble understanding others. Only reason his plans worked is because of wonky writing by Frontwing which is one of the faults of the game. I'm not sure what = wish fulfillment here though. To me, someone who is wish fulfillment would be Kirito from SAO who shares some of the same things as Yuuji such as the instantly attracted girls, badass, and dark past, but I think what sets them apart is that Yuuji is more heavily flawed while Kirito is just..."oh ye I had a dark past but I got over it quick tho lol"
Sorry if I'm hard to understand. It's nice talking about this though.

Nachtwandler_21 said:
Yuuji is the only male MC who IMHO deserve his harem.

hyperknees91 said:


You guys worry me.

Listen if a girl says no or stop at any point during sex and the guy keeps going, she can most certainly claim a rape charge. This is even if they previously agreed to have sex with said person. Also if a person is drunk beyond consent, they can also claim a rape charge.

Might be useful knowledge in the future for some of you. Though like said before this is comedic rape, so it's really not a big deal.

MCPhatman said:
Good episode except the start no one has a problem with Yuuji who was molested by his sister and atleast 2 different men now get statutory raped by two clearly older women?

Look I don't condone rape, but this was not rape. She consented. She got drunk to curb the embarrassment. the "nooooo" wasn't a "no, I don't want to do this", it was a "no, I'm embarrassed that I'm about to actually do this/he's going to see me naked etc etc". Asako was trying to raise Yuuji to be a proper man, and was a good enough friend to JB that if was a legitimate rape attempt in any way Asako would've definitely stepped in to stop it.

JB's actions were completely different from a girl drinking and then being taken advantage of in real life. Very different. Anyone who thinks otherwise has not spent nearly enough time on a college campus.

This whole argument is retarded anyway since both JB and Asako are just as guilty for fucking a minor.