ReaperCreeper said:
Let's see his nickname is Bakatora and all his friends (with the exception of Tenma) have mentioned how clueless he is, so tell me again he isn't dense.
He's called Bakatora when relates to things of romantic nature not in sense of him actually being stupid. Natsume and Touji wanted Harutora to become Onmyoji they believe he has talent for which has shown. It's meant to be affectionate nickname, it's not literal.
He's hardly clueless either, he caught on to fact Suzuka wasn't bad as she seemed, he knew Kyouko when attacked him verbally was just using him to get Natsume for a few examples. None of those things are the actions of someone who really oblivious.
I shouldn't have to explain something so blinding obvious.
You're also forgetting he needed that staff for a good long while in order to properly do any spells, there was even an episode about Natsume helping him study since he was so far behind.
Did you even read his post? Ohtomo gave him the staff because Harutora had difficulty controlling his magic due most of it being sealed and causing accidents. Natsume helped him catch up because up on till a couple weeks ago prior to enrollment, he was a normal kid who intentionally left out most magic related affairs. None of this things are his fault so what hell is your point here?
But I do like how you disregard the fact that not only did Harutora catch up, he learned faster in one year what it took others years to do and is of capable maintaining a high class familiar.
Mentioning character flaws that have been clearly established is not mindless hating on a character and while character flaws make for a more interesting character that's only when they're used well. Harutora comes across as a bland character anyone can self insert into, so it's no wonder some people are so quick to jump to his defense while ignoring all this since it makes it feel like any criticism is aimed squarely at you.
Except what you mentioned aren't even flaws and most of these are driven by your bias or lack of understanding of TR. I couldn't careless what you think about Harutora, that's your business, but don't go around posting your opinions as facts especially when it's just cherry picking. And we could do without snide insults towards others who share different than you. I like Harutora and I'm nothing like him personality-wise so that shows how much you know.
The comparison of Onmyoji with vampires/witches/etc is the comparison with STB how all the problems can be traced to whatever supernatural being the creator feels like using is stirring up trouble without any real reason beyond" I have power and I want the protagonist's power as well because I'm evil."
This one of dumbest things I've ever heard on here. So because a story has supernatural element involved in a conflict it's generic? Compared to what? A story about war? A story's involves romance? A story that involves a mystery or SoL? So TR is generic uses archetype elements that every plot ever created does to build it's world...? WTF?!
Nevermind that TR's conflict isn't even between man vs monster, but man vs man.
You know why not every story with those points fall under the definition of generic? It's because they take these elements and use other elements in ways that aren't commonly used so that they mold the story into something that hasn't been shown before. TR uses it's shared elements in the most common possible way so that nothing new or groundbreaking is shown and everything just comes out as same old, same old.
Except you are not arguing execution, you are arguing that TR is bad for having those literary elements in there in the first place. This directly contradicting what your main point above is.
Furthermore this is pure BS, please show me a work that is using it's elements and playing out exactly the same way TR is.
Oh wait you did by bring up STB in comparison.... hahahahaha.
Nothing I mention above doesn't apply to TR so I don't know what show you've been watching, and while we're at it if you want to talk vague, stupid, broad classifications your reasons for why TR isn't generic is exactly this.
Except it was you posted that list in order to claim TR was generic.
And here is a couple of reason why I think stands out since you requested it:
-Because it's a rare story about Onmyouji in a contemporary society that uses historical events such as WWII to drive, both it's back story and main story.
-It involves real life noble Japanese families and people from both Japan's begone mythological and historical eras. Not mention the political intrigue surrounding those families and magic community in general.
-The main cast is even gendered and secondary are not conveniently primarily female or consists entirely of students at a school. Instead it's more like Durarara or Baccano when there is a mix of all kinds of people by age, gender and profession.
-Male and female leads are an already establish pairing, with little to no harem elements at all. Relationships for that matter all come to a resolution unlike your typical where things are left hanging due it being a harem.
-Minimal fanservice and the MC's don't solve every issue in the story.
-Protagonists and Antagonists aren't against each other because of lol "i'm evil" like you claim, but because of a clash of ideals. Everyone in the cast is pretty competent and shows free of asspulls since everything is either hinted at or explained.
Just off the top of my head. How in the world any of that is like STB aside having supernatural elements beyond any comprehension unless you aren't being serious.
Pick any series and more often then not the MC will have someone they like,
Maybe in the a time before the harem craze infected LNs, but certainly doesn't happen often today. I should know because I've read plenty of them.
likewise many series don't have a harem or fanservice.
BS most shows have those, especially LNs, because they are marketable. That why a lots people on various forums end up being surprised when they encounter a show that has little of those elements.
The cast of TR is far from being even gendered
3 boys and 3 girls is not even gendered? What?
the vast majority of characters are male
I was talking about the MC's, that should be obvious. Furthermore having cast when majority is older males rather than the opposite is definitely uncommon, but as i said earlier the current trend to shove harems into nearly everything. Hence why a lot of shows often star one male and several females.
There are exceptions of course, but that's just it. "Exceptions".
and even High School DxD has quite a few adult characters.
Having 3-4 adults is not the same as 90% of the entire cast literally being adults. If this was the standard I was talking about, I would have never mentioned it to begin with. Furthermore DxD is a harem, the only people that matter are the girls (both young and milfs) and their relationships with Issei.
Tell me what exactly qualifies a fight as sensible
For starters:
Ohtomo fighting and defeating D instead of a bunch novices beating him through DEM. Other characters like Amami unexpectedly playing a big role in the plot and crushing Twin Horn agents in the Onmyo Agency instead of being useless and having the kids do his job for him which is what would normally happens in this genre.
and what part of the plot is rarely done?
See my list above. |