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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- He would die doing that that, oh well he was just a clone. 21 gram thing was pretty interesting |
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| Awesome chapter, I wish they could kill the aliens but as we saw, no fucking chance. The part about souls and the data was interesting and now are guys are stuck in space. |
| interesting part about the 21 grams part but I'm more interested in how are the guys going to get back D: |
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| i honestly wasnt expecting kei 2.0 to die while the rest live. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| So.... The original Kei is coming back? :D |
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| Seriously drawing 2 pages of a guy running in tears is kind of a waste...I guess that's how the author works anyways. Didn't expect Kei #2 to die that fast. Interesting stuff about peoples "soul" |
| So souls do exist. I guess even in this manga there's some ray of hope. |
| Kurono 2.0 is really stupid. Isn't clear that god will kill him in a glance? I hope Tokyo Gantz Team don't die too. |
namelessregret said: sciencefags gonna hate this soul stuff. dont see why they would. so back to one kei? i liked this chapter. and the philosophical part about the "soul" if you can call it that. reminded me of reincarnation |
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namelessregret said: KingCez said: Neither do I.dont see why they would. But they are already hating. Who is hating? In this thread? You must be seeing two dimensions ahead. The concept of the 21g was supposedly derived from Duncan MacDougall's "experiment". However, the experiments conducted were entirely arbitrary and not scientifically accountable. However, just like God, so far it is impossible to prove that the soul does not exist. Thus, even from a scientific point of view, you may choose to believe in it or not. It's a personal choice, irrespective of science or not. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Was expecting Kei clone to die, but not just yet. The whole 21 grams/data thing and different dimensions, anyone else getting a simulated reality type feel from that? Will probably find out more whenever that Sebastian guy comes back. |
| Leave it to Kurono 2.0 to die mere pages into the chapter after Reika 1.0 dies just to temporarily save him... Overall great chapter and that whole 21 gram theory... Pretty tight shit man... |
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| Well, he wanted to die though. |
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| i'm really curious where is it going from now |
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| This also brings up something else. Do Kurono 1.0 and Kurono 2.0 have different souls? It could be that some time in the next 19 years, Kurono 1.0 dies and is the one used for the rebirth. Or it could be a combination of the two. The soul explanation also brings up some more questions . Does it mean that there are a finite number of souls? Can a soul be copied for reincarnation to make up for a limit (Besides the cloning thing)? Is the soul of everyone always a reused soul, or are new souls created? Do souls eventually stop being used? Will these questions be answered in the remaining chapters? Probably not. Also, if they can tell how someone will be reborn, then couldn't they know how the information they sent to Earth be used? Though I suppose it could be either they didn't care or it's like that whole "master of fate and tool of fate" thing in Dune. As for how they get back, I suppose someone on Earth could use one of those alien transports to get to them, or there might be some small craft on that ship or station they can use to get off. The big problem for the first solution is how does anyone know to come rescue them? |
| A whole chapter just so Morgan Freeman(how appropriate) could tell us that reincarnation is true ? Kinda disappointing. |
| well so the kei clone died pretty fast |
| if you guys don't know every human that dies loses 21 gram and science dont know why (some say its a soul). animals stay the same |
Endar said: This also brings up something else. Do Kurono 1.0 and Kurono 2.0 have different souls? It could be that some time in the next 19 years, Kurono 1.0 dies and is the one used for the rebirth. Or it could be a combination of the two. The soul explanation also brings up some more questions . Does it mean that there are a finite number of souls? Can a soul be copied for reincarnation to make up for a limit (Besides the cloning thing)? Is the soul of everyone always a reused soul, or are new souls created? Do souls eventually stop being used? Will these questions be answered in the remaining chapters? Probably not. Also, if they can tell how someone will be reborn, then couldn't they know how the information they sent to Earth be used? Though I suppose it could be either they didn't care or it's like that whole "master of fate and tool of fate" thing in Dune. As for how they get back, I suppose someone on Earth could use one of those alien transports to get to them, or there might be some small craft on that ship or station they can use to get off. The big problem for the first solution is how does anyone know to come rescue them? Can't believe no one has posted about 2.0's soul. I'm assuming he has a different divergence of soul that's slightly different than 1.0... but who knows. They just keep adding more questions to the confusing plot. skualninja said: Seriously drawing 2 pages of a guy running in tears is kind of a waste...I guess that's how the author works anyways. Didn't expect Kei #2 to die that fast. Interesting stuff about peoples "soul" I think this is called Greed. Remember how Gantz started off, lots of pages per chapter. Slowly less pages per chapter until less than 10? Means he can spread it out and make more money. Well, the author could be doing it or his publishers to get more money. It's pretty common for popular manga to shorten chapter length to increase profits when it becomes pretty popular. |
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| I too found the reincarnation/soul concept interesting. With the death of Kurono-clone I kind of feel like Gantz is reaching some kind of conclusion. Although, spending a ridiculous amount of pages on Katou crying was kind of lame, but oh well, it's been a while since that occurred... |
| Was a kinda good way to that clone die... That soul thing was nice too.. |
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skualninja said: Seriously drawing 2 pages of a guy running in tears is kind of a waste... Yet you have to wait for 3 weeks for each chapter... |
| UGH....so much fucking fail in this chapter. So, humans are worthless but they get reincarnated? FUCK THAT! Couldn't you keep it simple and say that once they die, they cease to exist? That is the most logical conclusion if you're going to spout off a bunch of philosophical bullshit at us. Not this 21 grams nonsense! Oh and I hope Kei 2.0 or whatever stays fucking dead! |
Endar said: This also brings up something else. Do Kurono 1.0 and Kurono 2.0 have different souls? It could be that some time in the next 19 years, Kurono 1.0 dies and is the one used for the rebirth. Or it could be a combination of the two. The soul explanation also brings up some more questions . Does it mean that there are a finite number of souls? Can a soul be copied for reincarnation to make up for a limit (Besides the cloning thing)? Is the soul of everyone always a reused soul, or are new souls created? Do souls eventually stop being used? Will these questions be answered in the remaining chapters? Probably not. Actually, he never said anything about "soul", he said "data" instead. So, like any data it can be duplicated any number of times, created and deleted. I think that was the implications here. People is not important, they are just a data in an organic shell... |
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ramzes5a said: if you guys don't know every human that dies loses 21 gram and science dont know why (some say its a soul). animals stay the same Interesting, I did not know that. Read a bit more about it on snopes. I find the idea of something as immaterial as the soul having physical weight a bit ridiculous, but still it's an interesting topic that doesn't seem to have had further study judging by a 60 second google search. |
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| Finally caught up to the manga and I actually liked this chapter. I thought it was interesting how they explained the data/soul stuff. The pace could have been faster though. Now that I have caught up when do the new chapters get released? Every 2 weeks? |
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Backpainz said: Now that I have caught up when do the new chapters get released? Every 2 weeks? I don't know when they're released but I do know they're released very sporadically, and it can go months between each release. So consider yourself lucky you came this far without the torturous wait. The manga is much more enjoyable read in batches, rather than chapter by chapter. Though I guess this can be said for almost all manga really. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| So basically the fastest way to loose weight is to die! :D Slim fast in a moment! Ahahahaha! ... retarded chapter This manga failed before, but now it fails beyond any limit and not because of the soul thing. It was expect for there to be some weird plot ending since sebastian started throwing in some philosophical crap about a simulated reality. The way it's present just ruins it! I would have been much more happier if this god here was just some kind of super Nuri or any other super overpowered boss which they would defeat eventually. |
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HATUL300 said: So souls do exist. I guess even in this manga there's some ray of hope. Annnnd he's Dead... Vikopaulum said: Well, he wanted to die though. |
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| i wonder what implications this has for Kurono 1.0? Is it the same soul (data?) that gets transferred into the new being? Well at least I hope this means that no one else gets revived in the course of this manga. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Okay this is actually flawed. The idea that you will reincarnate with those around you works fine, I guess, but how the hell does that work when their are clones? Do they branch off half of one's relations to one clone and half to the other? And why did the balls stop working? They were human technology, so in theory it doesn't matter whether or not the aliens are there ... This also means it could be possible to continuously revive people ... |
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Pirating_Ninja said: This, completely. Their logic is completely stupid and pointless... if they know it all so perfectly, then it doesn't explain the clones.Okay this is actually flawed. The idea that you will reincarnate with those around you works fine, I guess, but how the hell does that work when their are clones? Do they branch off half of one's relations to one clone and half to the other? And why did the balls stop working? They were human technology, so in theory it doesn't matter whether or not the aliens are there ... This also means it could be possible to continuously revive people ... Also, I never get these kinds of arguments about humans being made up of "mere matter"... what's even their point? Obviously humans are made up of shit... that's simply how the universe is. But it doesn't change anything whatsoever... so there's no point in their argument. It's not like they're different... only way more technologically advanced. |
| Surely that can't be the end of Kei |
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| too bad there was no Kurono 2.0 & Reika ending... well, Reika revived him as 2.0 so there was not really a point for him to live without her i guess... Anyway, in my mind they live happily forever ever after :P |
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| Haven't you people seen the movie 21 Grams? Good movie. Nothing interesting in the chapter anyway. |
| I really liked the reincarnation concept in this chapter, made me put a lot more though into it. |
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