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May 12, 2008 10:46 PM
#1
Was anyone else completely turned off by the ending? The build up to the ending and then the ending itself was all a let down to me. I love Ichigo 100% like any other fan would, except that ending is the only thing I can think of now when I think of the manga. It felt rushed and over-all depressing. It's kind of like the main hero going on a long quest only to find out there was no princess or treasure at the end of it at all. Sure he learned things and had an awesome up and down ride along the way, but the end lacked a real ending punch. I would say the endings was a "life goes on" type ending which I must say are not my favorites to begin with. But to add to that, this "life goes on" ending was more of a "life ended abruptly so just make due" which is sudden and disappointing. |
May 18, 2008 1:56 PM
#2
I personally didn't mind the ending all too much, even though it did feel somewhat rushed as if the mangaka just thought "This has gone on long enough... might as well finish it.". At least it wasn't a completely cheesy ending and we got a jist of the kind of lives they lived after school. ^_^ |
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Jul 10, 2008 1:28 PM
#3
I completely agree. I loved the series itself but the ending just lacked alot. I didn't like that Junpei ended up with Tsukasa, but I heard the Mangaka did a poll and she won. It seems to me like the story was heading in one way the entire time and then just did a 180 at the end for no apparent reason. And it was really rushed. To me it ruined the entire series, and made me really not want to re-read. |
Jul 26, 2008 10:22 PM
#4
I thought the ending was okay. And I was sort of expecting him to end up with Tsukasa the whole time. I was a little disappointed he didn't choose Aya though. This is one of those very rare occasions where I actually wanted him to pick the main girl, even rarer that he didn't pick the main girl. I found that the series as a whole emulated I"s a lot. I think the manga-ka was a fan of the series. The ending had Kimagure Orange Road written all over it. It was still enjoyable despite all that. So I gave it an 8. All the ecchi was largely unnecessary but at least it wasn't abused as much as in other series, most notably Love Hina. Not sure if I'm going to want to re-read it anytime soon though. It was pretty long and drawn out at times. |
Aug 2, 2008 11:14 PM
#5
Hugely annoying male lead for almost the entire series, but I'm glad that he decided to stick by Tsukasa. The mangaka made the right choice by finally getting that damned Manaka to grow up a bit. His indecision towards the girls got borderline homicidal for me (I seriously wanted to strangle the guy). The maturity of both Manaka and Tsukasa make them an ideal couple in my eyes, and their separation and eventual reunion made reading through 160+ chapters of Manaka's stupidity all the worthwhile ^_^ |
Aug 18, 2008 10:36 PM
#6
i did feel that the ending of this manga was rather depressing because i was just expecting that manaka-kun would end up with aya but i still loved it and i think they should continue with the episodes because this anime has so much emotion that it takes on an essence of realism that is just addictive. i love ichigo 100% it was my first harem anime and it remains my favorite =) |
Feb 17, 2009 11:58 AM
#7
This end isn't a typical end for a Weekly Jump series. I think because that, the final was "shocking" as this. I got depressed too. And I really wanted to Manaka and Toujo being together. Mizuki Kawashita is suprising good. Maybe in other anthology, were she don't need to put fan service into pages, a great masterpiece can born. (I almost cry in the final chapters) ¬¬ |
Mar 17, 2009 9:19 AM
#8
Haha, the ending chapters were pretty intense. Probably a majority of us, if not all of us, wanted Aya and Manaka, but I guess we can't change whats published :] I still expected this ending though, although I would of personally chose Aya, she's just to MoE! |
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Mar 24, 2009 8:23 PM
#9
I kind of understand this ending. Amachi said very good thing to Aya. She can't write only for one person. Manaka understood that he can't live only with support of his... man-side by Tsukasa and his "art"-side Aya. He needed to stand up on his feet without Nishino. And Also find his inspiration without Aya's direct involvement. With girls around he couldn't mature. Something like that =) Why Tsukasa? IMHO, Tsukasa>>>Aya. I think she earned this. Maybe because the love between was most pure. Without any other parts (Aya=inspiration, Satsuki=friendship etc). Only love. But you can also think of this manga as date-sim. When the character can choose the person he wants to stay with. And i can't think of any other realistic ending, with any other girl that would lead them to both personal and "dream" happyness. |
Mar 29, 2009 12:17 PM
#10
I watched the anime then read what happened in the rest of the manga on wiki. I thought it was horrible. First off it start's with Aya, so you'd think it would end with her, nope. That dont bother me as much as the fact that out of all the girls it seemed like Nishino was the one he had the least connection with. Aya and Satsuki sacrificed alot for him. Second, this really bothered me by just the end of the anime, god forbid I read the manga. This guy basicly has Satsuki and Nishino who seem willing to have sex with him and cute Aya who he probably could of tagged too with a little work. What's he do when one of them even try's to kiss him, he push's them away like there a disease. Is this guy a homo? I can understand him not wanting to go to far before he finds out who he likes, cause he dont want to hurt them. To act like he does is just rediculous though, I mean a kiss, come on. Third, 3 girls. Does it really take someone 3 years to find out who they like. I really just thought this was weird and one of the things that make the story really generic. If it was me it would only take me a couple months of really getting to know all 3 before I knew who I could really love and be happy with, Satsuki cough. It isnt fair for the girls he's leading on either cause there wasting whats suppossed to be some of the funnest years of your life chasing him around. Its just unrealistic for these girls to chase around such a boring guy for 3 years in the first place. I'd have to say out of all the anime I've watched and all the manga I've read, the story and plot of Ichigo 100% is the most annoying, irritating and generic I've experienced. |
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May 13, 2009 12:53 PM
#11
I didn't like how rushed the ending seemed to be. However, of most of the manga I have read have rushed endings with maybe a chapter of their life after the main time line of the story. Unfortunately maybe I've gotten used to it? As for the whole getting into college thing and the end of high school for them, I liked how it seemed rushed because honestly I think a transition like that in real time feels rushed. But it also could have been a good cop-out for the mangaka to finish her manga. It's strange, because I took a year gap after reading the first 100 chapters. So when coming back and finishing the manga a year later perhaps I have lost some sense of duty when it came to pairings. I can distinctly remember wanting Aya and Manaka/Junpei to get together, but when I finished the manga I liked how it all turned out not because of the pairing but because of desiring what I thought was a more realistic situation. In some ways I was happy for Aya and her decision to move on from a guy that was so fickle in deciding who he liked. I think Kawashita made a good point in her ending note that because of situations in life and timing love doesn't turn out the way you expect it to. |
May 14, 2009 5:42 PM
#12
PimpToad said: Hugely annoying male lead for almost the entire series, but I'm glad that he decided to stick by Tsukasa. The mangaka made the right choice by finally getting that damned Manaka to grow up a bit. His indecision towards the girls got borderline homicidal for me (I seriously wanted to strangle the guy). The maturity of both Manaka and Tsukasa make them an ideal couple in my eyes, and their separation and eventual reunion made reading through 160+ chapters of Manaka's stupidity all the worthwhile ^_^ Agreed. The ending made the series worthwhile for me. He could have made Manaka a bigger star and a little more time with Tsukasa.(That'd be my desired ending) I loved the ending. XD |
Jul 15, 2009 3:05 AM
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Jul 15, 2009 3:16 AM
#14
Quintessence said: I thought the ending was okay. And I was sort of expecting him to end up with Tsukasa the whole time. I was a little disappointed he didn't choose Aya though. This is one of those very rare occasions where I actually wanted him to pick the main girl, even rarer that he didn't pick the main girl. I found that the series as a whole emulated I"s a lot. I think the manga-ka was a fan of the series. The ending had Kimagure Orange Road written all over it. It was still enjoyable despite all that. So I gave it an 8. All the ecchi was largely unnecessary but at least it wasn't abused as much as in other series, most notably Love Hina. Not sure if I'm going to want to re-read it anytime soon though. It was pretty long and drawn out at times. Same here. This is the first time I have ever wanted to see the guy end up with the main girl. It's also the first time I've seen them NOT end up with the main girl. And it's also the MOST disappointed I've ever been in a manga. Hated the ending, loved the rest of the series. |
Jul 21, 2009 2:10 AM
#15
i liked the ending because it gives the reader a message that even love which seems to be fated, the best symbolized by the school festival's love sanctuary game, can fail if you can't bring up courage or take the chances given to you. toujos confession and manakas rejection was really painful to read. actually this ending is really refreshing and one of my most memorables |
Aug 14, 2009 12:04 PM
#16
I just finished reading it, and well I'm pretty happy with the ending (even if I was rooting for Satsuki all along, being my favorite char). Looking at the whole story, Tsukasa always symbolized the "girlfriend" the most, since Satsuki was most of the time depicted as the "best friend" (or the fantasize), and Aya was like a muse for Manaka. Speaking of him, his hesitation between each girl was pretty irritating, and made me dislike him a lot. I think Tsukasa is the most well depicted character, close to a real girl in her attitudes, emotions, her pursuit of her dream and everything, she just fealt real to me, and with all she did for Manaka, she's the one of deserved to stay with him at the end. Moreover, I don't like the overshy and introvert characters like Aya, so I was hoping all along that he didn't choose her :p |
Aug 19, 2009 2:37 PM
#17
Hmm..hmmm it surely long wayyyy..well it is seem to be a little bit rushed, but i don't mind, it's about romance and harem all the way, it's not about Movies, Dream or anything like that. I hate Manaka entirely on this series, this is the first time that i root for the female protagonist rather than the male, and i'm always thinking that guy is surely LUCKY, but the last chapter hmm i think Manaka is cool too. And i'm glad that he ended up with Tsukasa, it is not about the face, polling or anything, compare to Aya or Satsuki, Tsukasa is below of them on sex appeal, it's just that they are suited each other, not a destined pair just like Aya x Manaka, but they are surely filling each other, and i'm glad that from the beginning the story already heading that way, and on top of that Tsukasa is defenietly fit the role of Girlfriend IMO. |
Sep 4, 2009 8:10 AM
#18
A history of boy who want to eat a cookie and keep the cookie...for 3years Manaka was thinking, thinking, thinking and thinking only to get to a conclusion that he likes the best his first girlfriend (a genius or what?). When I was on chap 157 i thought "how they are going to end it with only 10 chapters left?!" and when i ended reading i was unsatisfied with such a short ending. And what was the point in suggesting that Aya is best suited for Manaka(love sanctuary, shared dreams, etc.) through whole manga, when in the end they split up and met after whole 6 YEARS(it is possible that i made a mistake in number of years)!!! And whats up with Satsuki still being alone, does she plan to wait for Manaka for eternity? Aha and Manaka is retarded or what? for the whole time he was thinking about Toujou(that is why he broke up with Nishino) and in the end he decided that his true love is Nishino? And what is up with Toujou and Satsuki? after 3 years of thinking only about Manaka they was able to just go farward without looking back on their lovely Junpei?! I have to stay calm or i'll get a heart atack. But one more thing, Manaka thought about every girl he liked and he was always trying to be honest with all of them, but he never explained Kozue what is the situation between Nishino, Toujou, Satsuki and him, did he forget about her? After writing this i feel a little relief! |
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Sep 4, 2009 8:26 AM
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Starrk said: Good for you, 3 years he think which one is the best, and 4 years he wait for her to returned..A history of boy who want to eat a cookie and keep the cookie...for 3years Manaka was thinking, thinking, thinking and thinking only to get to a conclusion that he likes the best his first girlfriend (a genius or what?). When I was on chap 157 i thought "how they are going to end it with only 10 chapters left?!" and when i ended reading i was unsatisfied with such a short ending. And what was the point in suggesting that Aya is best suited for Manaka(love sanctuary, shared dreams, etc.) through whole manga, when in the end they split up and met after whole 6 YEARS(it is possible that i made a mistake in number of years)!!! And whats up with Satsuki still being alone, does she plan to wait for Manaka for eternity? Aha and Manaka is retarded or what? for the whole time he was thinking about Toujou(that is why he broke up with Nishino) and in the end he decided that his true love is Nishino? And what is up with Toujou and Satsuki? after 3 years of thinking only about Manaka they was able to just go farward without looking back on their lovely Junpei?! I have to stay calm or i'll get a heart atack. But one more thing, Manaka thought about every girl he liked and he was always trying to be honest with all of them, but he never explained Kozue what is the situation between Nishino, Toujou, Satsuki and him, did he forget about her? After writing this i feel a little relief! Aya is a dream girl, the best suited for Junpei, while Tsukasa is the one who support Junpei, and knew what the best for him, and Tsukasa fight well. All about Aya being a perfect match for Junpei, is to tell readers that love is not kind a think that you can depend on something like that. that's what i'm thinking. |
Sep 5, 2009 1:42 AM
#20
"Laevantein" said: All about Aya being a perfect match for Junpei, is to tell readers that love is not kind a think that you can depend on something like that. that's what i'm thinking. Yeah maybe you're right, in series like this one, you often can say which girl the main character is going to choose from the begining, and here you read, read, read and suddenly <cough...cough...heart atack> he chose the other one! Somehow the ending felt a little sad, but I don't know why exactly... |
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Sep 10, 2009 3:44 PM
#21
So i finally finished it too. I was reading it for the last three months and i really enjoyed it even though it got a bit ridiculous at times. Too bad there aren't much threats about each chapter and people talking about them. Anyway. In terms of Manaka even if he didn't end up with Toujo that seemed like it was the destined girl through the whole manga, life is still very good. The guy got to travel the world, started a career in the movie business, his outside looks improved and he still has one very attractive and nice girl at his side. Yeah it's not Toujo but still that's one fucking happy ending. All that and his still only 24. I wish i had that kind of life. Not to mention that he has some very good memories and friends from his high school years. The whole ending with Tsukasa was probably the mangaka's way of not taking the usual outcome and maybe show that things like that happen in the relationships of people. Now i didn't like how Yui ended up as a ghost character in the end and how the mangaka completely forgot of Kozue. The poor girl confessed her heart out and he didn't reject her but he ignored her, something that is a lot worse. Why was she even in th manga if it was gone end up like that with out us even knowing what happened to her. Also Tojou even with out Manaka she's doing pretty fine for her self. But what about Satsuki? I mean i don't think her high school memories are that pleasant. The girl chased that guy for 3 whole years and in the end she got rejected. She could have had fun with some other guys since so many liked her but she completely wasted her teenage years. The best she got was an innocent kiss. Am wondering if she's at least enjoying that job. It kind of looks like she will end up alone there being an old hug serving food to people passing by ( i mean she is not in college she doesn't have a career, why the hell isn't she married or at least have a man?). Well despite how annoying Junpei got with his indecisiveness i still enjoyed the manga and had a good time reading it. But i must admit, i to get depressed reading staff like this. By the way Misuzu had the best change ever over the years. What a beautiful woman she became.She was always a pretty girl, to bad she got little appearances. |
MonadSep 10, 2009 3:48 PM
Oct 3, 2009 4:44 PM
#22
Laevantein said: And i'm glad that he ended up with Tsukasa, it is not about the face, polling or anything, compare to Aya or Satsuki, Tsukasa is below of them on sex appeal, it's just that they are suited each other, not a destined pair just like Aya x Manaka, but they are surely filling each other, and i'm glad that from the beginning the story already heading that way, and on top of that Tsukasa is defenietly fit the role of Girlfriend IMO. Agreed. I'm really glad he didn't end up with Aya. She was such a boring character. |
Oct 4, 2009 3:07 AM
#23
i went all teary :( |
Oct 11, 2009 5:28 AM
#24
Nooo, it's finally over for me.. I'm going to miss reading Ichigo 100% every day. I really liked the ending and I loved how Junpei ended up with Tsukasa, she was definitely my favorite girl throughout the manga and I was cheering for her. As for everyone else, looks like everyone grew up and had a bright future in front of them. I felt that Amachi was cast aside. I always thought he would end up with either Aya or Satsuki and think Amachi and Satsuki would've really fit together and made her ending happier. Kozue and Yui got cast aside towards the end as well but they weren't main characters after all. And I think/hope Kozue got over her fear of guys and went out with that guy she helped study. I went "wow!" when I saw Misuzu in the final chapter, she became so beautiful. I liked the bonus chapter with her, it was great. I don't know.. Somehow the ending did feel a bit rushed and kinda sad and depressing.. Why? It was a happy ending. I can say though that I fully enjoyed this manga. |
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Nov 1, 2009 12:41 PM
#25
For all those who think that the ending felt a bit rushed, OF COURSE IT DID. What do you think when manaka couldn't choose for nearly 150 chapters long (that's 3 years), and all of a sudden, he realizes that he had to decide at that moment. I agree that the last 20 chapters, the pace of the manga went up. But I think this is a positive thing, as I grew tired of the drawn out plot. Kawashita-sensei (the writer) did a great job at timing the ending. Just as it seemed like it would just go on forever and ever, she let Manaka finally decide what to do. And because of the speed-up, the ending was even greater than it would have been with the usual pace. Great story development and a very natural choice to let Manaka end up with Nishino. She decided on the flow of the story, not on the fans. That's the essence of a good mangaka. |
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Nov 5, 2009 2:24 AM
#26
I thought it was a great ending. I totally didn`t see that one coming. Thought he was going to end up with Aya... |
Nov 13, 2009 3:21 PM
#27
I don't think the ending really fit with the overall series, with the way the manga-ka went I would have preferred if Manaka ended up with NONE of the girls. For a majority of the latter half of the series, Manaka's thought process was "Who will put out?" followed instantly by "No, I want an orgy of some sort!". I saw this as kinda disappointing. For most of the people who see Tsukasa and Manaka as being the mature couple, I'd disagree. Look at Manaka's reasoning for getting back with her, he only did it because he PRESUMED Aya had a boyfriend. He didn't ask her beforehand, nor wait to see if it was true, he just went straight back to the last piece of ass he had. Besides, what suddenly happened to girls like Yui and Misuzu? Misuzu was introduce, then forgotten for about 40 or so pages! Then once Manaka started getting ready to do one of the main girls, Yui was instantly forgotten (specially in the final chapter, shouldn't she be in an important enough role to get in the reunion scene?). If he was looking for sex, he would have gone with Satsuki. If he was looking to be able to make his dreams a reality sooner, he would have gone with Aya. No, he chose the girl that he accidentally asked out and had only "fallen" for him in the latter half because of how popular he had become with the other girls! I personally wanted to see more of the Sotomura siblings, if would have been great if they gave them a chance (story-wise) at love. Manaka was highly disrespectful to the girls. He should have taken the easy route and dated them one-by-one, then decided which one. It would have been much more touching and dramatic than "OMG RUMORS AT SCHOOL!". "Monad" said: Also Tojou even with out Manaka she's doing pretty fine for her self. But what about Satsuki? I mean i don't think her high school memories are that pleasant. The girl chased that guy for 3 whole years and in the end she got rejected. She could have had fun with some other guys since so many liked her but she completely wasted her teenage years. The best she got was an innocent kiss. Am wondering if she's at least enjoying that job. It kind of looks like she will end up alone there being an old hug serving food to people passing by ( i mean she is not in college she doesn't have a career, why the hell isn't she married or at least have a man?). I think Satsuki's destiny was to end up like the old man at the theatre and the old woman at the bakery, which in a way suited her character. |
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Nov 14, 2009 2:12 AM
#28
@Onibokusu Well, this is a harem manga to begin with. If you don't like that genre, you shouldn't read it. As for why Manaka got back together with Tsukasa: his feelings were real for her. Aya was just too passive. She had a huge crush on Manaka but she didn't do anything. She also gave of mixed signals which confused Manaka whether she liked him or not. Of course Manaka would be scared to ask her out if he presumed that she had a boyfriend, it's logical. He didn't just go to the last piece of ass he had. If he did, he would go to Satsuki who'll wait for him every single day of her life. If you think about it, Tsukasa is the only one who calls Manaka by his OWN name! She even did a pull-up at the school to show her feelings back to Junpei. Tsukasa is the most popular girl at the school. Manaka can't just return to her as if it were nothing. Your reasoning that he goes back to the last piece of ass he had doesn't make sense at all. If Manaka would want to make his dreams come true, then maybe Aya would be the right person to do it. But only as a friend. A relationship with her would not last long as their only topic of conversation is movies. You can't build a relationship like that. Aya is just a copy of Manaka with tits. |
Nov 16, 2009 10:33 PM
#29
@Rezk No, I like the genre. However, this is more romance than harem. You would have been correct there, if Manaka was still 15 at the end of the manga. No, Manaka was 18, a man. Acting spineless like he did doesn't mean that his feelings for Tsukasa were real, it just means he got himself locking into something. I guess you must have missed the several times where Manaka just about went for Tsukasa's cherry, even against his "A guy should only do those things with a girl he is dating" moral. I guess you also missed the arc with "pastry boy", Tsukasa gave Manaka many mixed signals of her very own. Ah, you missed what I meant, I see. Tsukasa and Manaka had already dumped each other, Satsuki wasn't his 'last piece of ass', she was his second last. But, let's not forget he branded all as equal, which gets us to "who will put out first". Calling someone by their given name is a choice in Japan, and it was only natural as they had once dated. Junpei, on the other hand, explicitly called her Nishino. If you think about it, he called Satsuki by her first name. There, that didn't hold well for you, did it? Ahem, Aya and Satsuki are the most popular at Manaka's school. Don't disclude the other mains. If I remember correctly, there is a lot more to a relationship than a topic of conversation. Tsukasa is just a copy of Okusa, with tits. |
Nov 17, 2009 1:31 PM
#30
@Onibokusu I never said that Tsukasa never gave off mixed signals. I only implied that she gave of the least mixed signals. Tsukasa was always clear in her speech and actions. She always tells other people what she wants and has a clear view of her future. Satsuki does not. In fact, she didn't even knew what to study. And don't even start about Aya. She let her writing skills depend on her relationship with Manaka. That's just an insane way of giving mixed signals. This was made clear when Aya sent her novels to Manaka by mail, including the ending of the novels. They were sent AFTER she was dumped. This was a sign that she could move on and finally decide on the end of the story, which would mean that she was giving of mixed signals WHILE she was writing the novel because she couldn't decide on the ending of her novels. You are correct about calling someone in Japan by their given name. However, Satsuki told Manaka at their first encounter, when they became friendly, to call her Satsuki. This was mainly because Kitaoji was too difficult for Manaka to say. Junpei called Nishino by her family name as a sign of respect as Nishino was his first girl ever he dated. You could feel throughout the entire manga that Satsuki never actually was a potential girl he would end up with. And I was talking about the GIRLS calling MANAKA by his given name, not the other way around. So my argument holds just as well in my previous post. Aya and Satsuki are quite popular at their school yes, but they always keep coming back to Manaka, even if he acts like a total moron. Tsukasa will not. She has a personality that's exactly between Satsuki and Aya and expects Manaka to equally love her back as she loves him. So she won't come back if Manaka was acting like an idiot. If Tsukasa is just a copy of Okusa, she would be flirting with all the good-looking boys in school and go out with a boy that already has a girlfriend. Tsukasa is NONE of those so your argument is false. Heck, she even freaked out when her girlfriend tried to blind-date Tsukasa with a guy at the restaurant. I guess you missed that important scene. |
Nov 18, 2009 10:19 PM
#31
You never implied that, you implied that she gave off none. Where were you when they went to her childhood home? Satsuki was always clear about her liking Manaka, from the start to the very end. That's because Aya got support from Manaka, because he was a NICE GUY. You may be right about Kitaoji being hard to say, however, it was still her choice for him to call her that. It doesn't matter that she was never a potential girlfriend, the fact remains that her and Manaka were very friendly with each other. Satsuki and Tsukasa were the only two girls giving up their body to Manaka, which obviously swayed him. That's only one half of the equation, there are usually two people in a relationship. The fact of the matter is that what you call someone has little to do with how romantically involved two people are anyway, which I proved with Satsuki. You can't suddenly go up to someone in Japan and call them by their first name, without honorifics. It's extremely rude. Ahem, Satsuki often confided in that other bloke and Aya had her senpai in the literature club. Both relationships were potentially romantic. Satsuki was stubborn and wouldn't give up, and Manaka was Aya's inspiration. You can't blow those two things off, because that's WHY they kept coming back. Besides, you act as if the guy is always at fault in a relationship. Tsukasa dumped Manaka simply because he's spineless and won't make a move on a girl, even when she wants to have sex or make out. Tsukasa hasn't got a spine herself, neither did Satsuki, nor Aya. He's a copy of him in both popularity and appearence. You know what, Manaka isn't popular with all the ladies himself, how is a he a copy of Aya? Yoru argument was never there to begin with. That wasn't an important scene, an important scene would be Tsukasa stopping midway when her mother called. Compare that to Satsuki jumping Manaka in the park. |
Nov 19, 2009 9:58 AM
#32
How could I possibly imply that she would give of no mixed signals at all? Such a human being doesn't even exist to begin with. Use some more common sense when you read someone's implications in a text. Tell me how it's clear to Manaka that Satsuki likes him when she says things like ''I hate you!'' and ''I never want to see Manaka-kun ever again!'' every time they get in a little argument. Off course he will begin to have his doubts. And the fact that he didn't tell her his feelings when it looked like Satsuki would just transfer to another school, is proof that Satsuki was giving off mixed signals and therefore she was not clear with what she wanted. Yes, Manaka is indeed at fault in this relationship. It's impossible to love three girls at one time. Manaka has to decide and was only hurting all girls because he couldn't. Just like you say: Satsuki only came back because she did not want to lose from the other girls and Aya only came back because she needed inspiration for her book. These two things CAN be blown off because these are no source whatsoever of feelings of love. How can you love someone when you only do it because you hate losing or need inspiration. And just when you're saying that Satsuki was always clear about liking Manaka and giving her body up to him, you say that all three including Satsuki do not have a spine. You are ruining your own argument in the same post. Aya is a copy of Manaka in terms of personality. They are both very scared in a relationship and cannot decide what to do to advance a relationship, even if they want to. That's why they do not fit together. The exact opposite, Satsuki, also does not fit Manaka. Tsukasa, between the other two, does. And it was a very important scene. That scene showed that Tsukasa really liked Manaka and that she wants to have a relationship that lasts with him. She thought that a handshake was very underrated and therefore she wanted to give Manaka a handshake. This scene proved that she loved Manaka dearly, as she thinks handshakes are very important just like kisses. |
Nov 20, 2009 2:02 AM
#34
@Rezk This isn't real life, so don't delude yourself. You can't use common sense when dealing with a romance/harem, as it's mostly idealistic. Tell me how clear it's to Manaka when Tsukasa backs out half way, just like the other girls? Besides, Tsukasa was more of the "ignore him when you gets mad at him" types. I didn't ruin my own argument, because Satsuki also backed out every time she went to force herself on Manaka. Manak was pretty much forcing himself on Tsukasa, and she was still too spineless to do any more than deliver him confusing innuendo. But the fact that she always flung herself at Manaka, and also deliberately kissed him, is proof that she was one of the girls who was the most direct and the least confusing when it came to her feelings. After all, Manaka felt the most comfortable around her. However, you are an obvious Tsukasa fan, which is why you see that particular scene as important. It's actually just a general scene that shows she doesn't like being paired up against her will, and that she likes to choose the guys she dates, and not have others do it for her. It doesn't show much about her feelings towards Manaka, because I guarantee her reaction would have been the same with or without Manaka in her life. Heck, why am I fighting for Satsuki? Yui was my favourite girl. |
Nov 20, 2009 12:37 PM
#35
@Onibokusu Haha, I now understand why you just keep arguing with me: you're angry because Yui was totally forgotten in the end =p. Just to be serious, common sense is a must in this kind of manga as it's indeed idealistic as you say, but it's far from fantasy. It's a very realistic portrayal of human relationships and therefore needs reasoning with common sense. Or else we wouldn't have this nice little forum-conversation. Well in my opinion, Manaka really isn't the kind of guy who takes the first step. But Tsukasa has this attribute that she can push a guy just enough to let him take a step forward. Like, Tsukasa was pushing Manaka just enough to let him take the first kiss. Satsuki just did it by herself all the time, and when she did, she couldn't do anything more than an innocent little kiss. That's confusing for Manaka, as he always thinks that Satsuki would go all the way. I do consider myself a Tsukasa ''fan'', but I do not think that this has to be something negative. As you can clearly see, we're having this conversation that's quite objective. We're talking about the manga in a rational way with arguments on both sides. Therefore, ''fan'' is not a valid term to call me if you mean it in a negative way. And it was an important scene! It displayed the very personality of Tsukasa and shows how she thinks and handles in important situations. Personally I think she was the most ''womanly'' of the girls to do those things in that scene. All girls had such scenes where their personalities are shown. I just took this one as an example because we were talking about Tsukasa, so don't blame me and jump to conclusions that I'm a fan. You could make my argument fall by just displaying an important scene of Satsuki, but you didn't. I find this quite disappointing because I was expecting you to show more of the good sides of Satsuki (or Yui, now I know that's your favourite girl =p). |
Nov 21, 2009 4:26 PM
#36
Rezk said: @Onibokusu Haha, I now understand why you just keep arguing with me: you're angry because Yui was totally forgotten in the end =p. Just to be serious, common sense is a must in this kind of manga as it's indeed idealistic as you say, but it's far from fantasy. It's a very realistic portrayal of human relationships and therefore needs reasoning with common sense. Or else we wouldn't have this nice little forum-conversation. Well in my opinion, Manaka really isn't the kind of guy who takes the first step. But Tsukasa has this attribute that she can push a guy just enough to let him take a step forward. Like, Tsukasa was pushing Manaka just enough to let him take the first kiss. Satsuki just did it by herself all the time, and when she did, she couldn't do anything more than an innocent little kiss. That's confusing for Manaka, as he always thinks that Satsuki would go all the way. I do consider myself a Tsukasa ''fan'', but I do not think that this has to be something negative. As you can clearly see, we're having this conversation that's quite objective. We're talking about the manga in a rational way with arguments on both sides. Therefore, ''fan'' is not a valid term to call me if you mean it in a negative way. And it was an important scene! It displayed the very personality of Tsukasa and shows how she thinks and handles in important situations. Personally I think she was the most ''womanly'' of the girls to do those things in that scene. All girls had such scenes where their personalities are shown. I just took this one as an example because we were talking about Tsukasa, so don't blame me and jump to conclusions that I'm a fan. You could make my argument fall by just displaying an important scene of Satsuki, but you didn't. I find this quite disappointing because I was expecting you to show more of the good sides of Satsuki (or Yui, now I know that's your favourite girl =p). An important Satsuki scene: Sastuki jumps Manaka in the park, she then decides to be his friend just to keep her love going on the way it is...and also to catch Manaka off guuard later. I shows that she can do the full frontal (no pun intended) attack, as well as simply go in at the right time. |
Nov 27, 2009 6:21 PM
#37
story is rushed and the ending was kinda dissapointing because he should of ended up aya. one reason is because of the event with the numbers and their dreams pairs up pretty well |
Dec 19, 2009 12:36 PM
#38
Aya is a copy of Manaka in terms of personality. They are both very scared in a relationship and cannot decide what to do to advance a relationship, even if they want to. That's why they do not fit together. I think that's not a good argument. I mean, Aya did confess to Manaka, after all. It was too late for her but it shows that she can do it. And through the whole series Manaka liked Toujou and wanted to be as close to her as he could. The author implied through these many chapters that he really likes Toujou but suddenly he chooses Tsukasa. It doesn't make any sense. What irritates me the most is the fact that it's all a matter of "the situation and timing". I mean, if Manaka didn't see "that guy" (her brother), he would propably ask her out. And when he saw that scene, he suddenly stopped liking Aya? Love cannot die in just a moment. If we want to be realistic, I think Manaka should've asked Toujou out, even knowing that she has "boyfriend". Why? Because he knew Toujou liked him a lot and he liked her too. And even if it wouldn't go as he planned, he could choose Nishino then. Oh, I could write more but I can't do it now. I'm too pissed off to do it (I finished reading it two days ago) and don't want to now... Not to mention that both sides (Nishino's fans and Toujou's fans; Satsuki didn't stand a chance from the beginning) has their arguments and they won't be convinced, no matter what. So, this discussion is somewhat pointless, but let it be. I really like the series but the ending disappointed me. Oh, and omake about Misuzu was very good. In fact, it's a pity it's only an omake. I can see it as a different, separate story - not too long, but warm and exciting. And Misuzu got so much prettier over those four years... I would be very happy if I could find a doujin/fanfiction which goes an alternative way (he chooses Toujou while still in high school) or which tells the story after what happened in the series. For example: Manaka and Nishino are together. They are living happily. But some day Nishino dies due to some illness. Manaka is depressed. When he is nearly at the bottom (not literally), Toujou shows up and saves him. She doesn't want to be "only" friends, but she doesn't want to rush things as she knows how Manaka must feel. Manaka is opening his heart bit by bit, though. Then happens something that could part Toujou and Manaka (death, another guy, whatever...). Manaka realizes that he has always loved Toujou (but he loved Nishino too) and that he wants to be with her (and realizes that Nishino would surely want him to be happy). And so, they lived happily ever after. I know that this kind of story is common, it's plot looks pathetic and all, but I would be satisfied with even something like this. |
Dec 19, 2009 2:04 PM
#39
darksamurai said: I would be very happy if I could find a doujin/fanfiction which goes an alternative way (he chooses Toujou while still in high school) or which tells the story after what happened in the series. For example: Manaka and Nishino are together. They are living happily. But some day Nishino dies due to some illness. Manaka is depressed. When he is nearly at the bottom (not literally), Toujou shows up and saves him. She doesn't want to be "only" friends, but she doesn't want to rush things as she knows how Manaka must feel. Manaka is opening his heart bit by bit, though. Then happens something that could part Toujou and Manaka (death, another guy, whatever...). Manaka realizes that he has always loved Toujou (but he loved Nishino too) and that he wants to be with her (and realizes that Nishino would surely want him to be happy). And so, they lived happily ever after. I know that this kind of story is common, it's plot looks pathetic and all, but I would be satisfied with even something like this. It looks a lot like Kimi ga Nozomu Eien in fact, except the main girl doesn't die, but lose her memory. |
Dec 19, 2009 11:15 PM
#40
It looks a lot like Kimi ga Nozomu Eien in fact, except the main girl doesn't die, but lose her memory. I said it isn't original, didn't I? Another exapmle - Manaka breaks up with Nishino but doesn't make the promise with her. Four years later they meet at their reunion. Then Manaka and Toujou start meeting and so the story goes... |
Jan 4, 2010 1:58 AM
#41
Well I just finished reading the series... I didn't get bothered by the end.But what bothers me was rushness.Mangaka was trying to finish as soon as possible? Last 3 chapters wasn't enought charming for the whole story. Rushness really kills the story. He could've built much more satisfying story development in just 20-30 more chapters? I wish he could've done this. With this kinda ending i just feel like there is a hol in the story. Aw damn it. I hated the rushing ending. :) |
Jan 4, 2010 9:44 AM
#42
i've just read this over the course of a few days and, well... i'd say i'm disappointed by the ending, but for large parts of the story, i really wasn't enjoying myself. so i was disappointed with large portions of the story. i can't work out why the ending felt so rushed when there were parts of the story that seemed to drag on forever. and filler. so why waste time on those when the ending could have been fleshed out a bit more :| |
Jan 4, 2010 12:47 PM
#43
filmworm said: Well I just finished reading the series... I didn't get bothered by the end.But what bothers me was rushness.Mangaka was trying to finish as soon as possible? Last 3 chapters wasn't enought charming for the whole story. Rushness really kills the story. He could've built much more satisfying story development in just 20-30 more chapters? I wish he could've done this. With this kinda ending i just feel like there is a hol in the story. Aw damn it. I hated the rushing ending. :) There's only one explanation for your comment: the writer is a female =p But to be serious, I don't think the ending is actually rushed. The series went in a speed-up mode in the last twenty-fifteen chapters or so. After all those filler-like chapters it seemed that those last chapters were going really fast. Indeed, the pace went up but this is especially made clear by the fact that there were fillers and then a large amount of plot developement. It only SEEMS like it was rushed but actually it was the same pace as the beginning/early-mid of the series. The mangaka didn't wanted to end it quickly but she felt that the story has been told. Junpei fell in real love with the girl and confessed each other's feelings. They became a pair. This is a very deadly strike in the harem genre as a pair with the main character means that the other girls will stop to do ''harem'' around him. It's all over then. He made his choice, the other girls were turned down and the story was over. There's no material and no need to make more chapters, it was done. |
Jan 4, 2010 2:32 PM
#44
Yeah I learned the writer was a female later. :) Well,Actually you are right.It did actually happened a lot o things in last 20 chapters. Pace was really fast. I realized when i read your comment. Maybe That's why it feels there is a rushing in the story. I know that harem was dead when they got together. But how she role the story, you feel this isn't the end. I mean they got together. Nishino got mad. Aya confessed blah blah. So this was the problem i dunno. Maybe this is why i felt she rushed to end this manga. Well with a weird happy ending, İchigo is sure a special manga for haremers. :) Well it was hell of a ride. Although i kinda dont remember some parts of it.:) |
Jan 5, 2010 1:40 PM
#45
filmworm said: Yeah I learned the writer was a female later. :) Well,Actually you are right.It did actually happened a lot o things in last 20 chapters. Pace was really fast. I realized when i read your comment. Maybe That's why it feels there is a rushing in the story. I know that harem was dead when they got together. But how she role the story, you feel this isn't the end. I mean they got together. Nishino got mad. Aya confessed blah blah. So this was the problem i dunno. Maybe this is why i felt she rushed to end this manga. Well with a weird happy ending, İchigo is sure a special manga for haremers. :) Well it was hell of a ride. Although i kinda dont remember some parts of it.:) Well 170 chapters for a harem manga is preeeetty long =p. But indeed, it was a hell of a ride. I was a bit sad when it actually ended. I loved the series and didn't want to see it end. The last 20 chapters I was like ''how can it end in 20 chapters? There's so much that still can happen!''. But yeah, although I couldn't accept that it ended at that time, I'm kind of happy it ended this way. Displaying my love for the series in my avatar. =D |
Jan 20, 2010 1:04 PM
#46
Why didn't it just end at 165, when Nishino left... |
Jan 28, 2010 7:01 PM
#47
I thought the ending was real good. I have always hated open endings, a lot of harems tend to end that way, with the guy never making up his mind in the end. Maybe it's because I'm biased though, after all, Nishino is my favorite XP |
Apr 8, 2010 11:49 PM
#48
The ending is rushed and last volumes didn't make sense to me. I'm really depressed he chose Nishino. Well, so sorry for him. |
May 27, 2010 10:40 PM
#50
what an anime. |
sabrac |
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