Rascal Does Not Dream of Bunny Girl Senpai (light novel)
| God damn, 6 years. This anime is from 2018, I swear it feels like it was a recent show. |
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| The desecration has arrived. |
Yuno4444 said: But sub is better than dub That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”. There are subs that are done better than the dubs. There are also dubs that are done better than the subs. Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality. This has been my experience with anime. |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
| Looks like it's time for a rewatch then, dubs have been getting better and better in recent years so I'm interested to see how this one stacks up. |
Ripperdoc said: ejleon said: That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”. There are subs that are done better than the dubs. There are also dubs that are done better than the subs. Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality. This has been my experience with anime. Give me some examples where dub was better than sub. I have never watched a single dubbed episode and it will stay like that, but I am just curious. I don't watch many dubs but Witch from Mercury and Love is War are the two shows where I've watched both versions and I'd say their dubs are better. |
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ejleon said:
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
Yuno4444 said:
But sub is better than dub
But sub is better than dub
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
There are maybe 2% shows where the dub is better.
| @NegativeRei That is false, you really should analyze objectively rather than subjectively. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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ejleon said:
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
Yuno4444 said:
But sub is better than dub
But sub is better than dub
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
Give me some examples where dub was better than sub. I have never watched a single dubbed episode and it will stay like that, but I am just curious.
| @Ripperdoc I will give 3 examples... 1. Sub is better than the Dub: Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. "My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU" 2. Dub is better than the Sub: Darling in the FranXX 3. Sub & Dub are pretty equal in Quality: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei The Irregular at Magic High School ------ Most people claiming "Sub is better than Dub" are just like you, people who have never even watched Dubs, so for them to make such claims without any experience or evidence is just unfair and biased opinions. I don't speak the beautiful Japanese languager, I speak English, meaning I can't watch RAW ( No Sub ), but I do watch Subs & Dubs, so I have much experience and evidence with anime that have both, so I try to be objective about this topic. English Dubs, as with other language Dubs, will adapt the dialogue to fit that culture’s way of speaking, feeling, thinking, so the people can relate more to the anime, which if done right, can be a very good experience, but if done wrong, it sucks really badly. |
ejleonDec 4, 2024 7:15 AM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| I loved the sub very much when I watched it 4 years ago but since I prefer romance anime in dub, I'll definitely be rewatching this peak in the dub now. Feels good. |
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NegativeRei said:
There are maybe 2% shows where the dub is better.
ejleon said:
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
There are maybe 2% shows where the dub is better.
Not really, there are 2% dubs that are tolerable…
| @FutoiOtaku Like the "2% comment", your comment is also not true. There are a lot of well made and tolerable dubs, even if the sub is "better". |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Ripperdoc said: ejleon said: That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”. There are subs that are done better than the dubs. There are also dubs that are done better than the subs. Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality. This has been my experience with anime. Give me some examples where dub was better than sub. I have never watched a single dubbed episode and it will stay like that, but I am just curious. For the record, I’m not saying these dubs are better than the subs because they aren’t but they’re excellent nonetheless. Full metal panic! (Entire series) Chihayafuru (all 3 seasons) Kill la kill Kaguya sama love is war (first 2 seasons, I wasn’t a fan of Miyuki’s VA change in season 3 due to illness) Cowboy bebop Samurai champloo Inuyasha These are some of my favorites so maybe I’m a little biased but I did enjoy the dubs on my rewatching of them. I watch the sub first, the dub on my rewatch and whichever I enjoyed better for my 3rd time through. |
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ejleon said:
@FutoiOtaku Like the "2% comment", your comment is also not true. There are a lot of well made and tolerable dubs, even if the sub is "better".
@FutoiOtaku Like the "2% comment", your comment is also not true. There are a lot of well made and tolerable dubs, even if the sub is "better".
It’s all subjective, I’ve already said in assorted threads on the topic that dubs have their place and make anime accessible to a wider audience. But to actual English people the ‘English’ dubs are mostly irritating American child accents that detract from the characters they represent. The fact that a Japanese character sounds better in the original language is indisputable therefore NO dub is better than sub, although it can allow a viewer to take in the visual aspects without staring at the writing and therefore is not altogether bad. My preference is sub, but dub has its value although dub can never be better ever period.
| @FutoiOtaku I agree that most opinions on this topic are subjective, but I have been trying to have an objective perspective on this topic, comparing the sound and acting of the voice actors per character in each anime. For example, I have tried watching anime in other languages and also watched videos that compare Japanese voice actors to translations into American English, British English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, etc etc etc, in order to be informed of the range of interpretations for characters in different regions of the world. So please keep that in mind as we discuss. I have seen your comments on other anime and I have often agreed with your perspective, but specifically on the topic of Sub vs Dub, I don’t know if I have seen those comments, so thank you for explaining. “dubs have their place and make anime accessible to a wider audience … it can allow a viewer to take in the visual aspects without staring at the writing and therefore is not altogether bad.” I agree with these statements, having translations into other languages does bring in a larger audience, no question, and that’s its purpose. I do not speak the beautiful Japanese language, so I cannot watch the RAW ( no Sub ), can you? I am from the American West Coast, speak American English, but I watch both the Japanese Version (American English Sub) & the American English Dub Version, for all the anime it’s available for, so I do hear the Japanese vs English voice actors a lot, and I have done this for many years now. By ‘English people’, I think it’s safe to assume you mean from the United Kingdom, so do you watch the British Dubs of anime? I think that there are some available, sorry if I am wrong about this. I love the British accent and I have great respect for English actors and their incredible contribution to plays, shows, movies, animations, etc etc etc, but I will admit that British speak, humor, drama, and their cultural references are unknown to me about 50% of the time. The same thing happens with Japanese speak, humor, drama, and their cultural references. So it is no surprise that American English Dub voice acting and their cultural references are going to sound strange to you as well, being from the UK. ”But to actual English people the ‘English’ dubs are mostly irritating American child accents that detract from the characters they represent” Considering that most Japanese voice actors in anime sound like little kid voices in their character roles, except for some male and female actors that have deeper voices, this comment is a rather unfair diss of American English Dub voice actors, who work hard to provide good voice acting for their characters. I would even state that the American English voice acting is trying to follow the Japanese style of voice acting, in having more youthful sounding voices for the characters, so your comment seems rather illogical. Unfortunately, it also sounds like you have a bias against American Voice Actors, or maybe even America in general, but I hope I am wrong, and perhaps I am reading more into your comment “actual English people”, than you meant. As someone who loves learning about History, it is hard for me to separate British & American history, being a former British colony, using the British governing system as a model for our own National Government & Constitution, being united together in fighting WWI, WWII, & the Cold War, our histories are intertwined in my mind, so I have great respect for the UK and it’s people. ”The fact that a Japanese character sounds better in the original language is indisputable therefore NO dub is better than sub” I would understand this perspective for actual movies with live actors that have a face to the voice. For example, trying to translate The Godfather or Seven Samurai, into other languages. I would argue that hearing the original actors is better than the translations that are made, which take away from the experience, even if it brings in a wider audience. However, this perspective does not work for fictional animated characters in shows, movies, games, etc etc etc, because there is no face to put to the voice. For example, I grew up watching Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Card Captors Japanese shows with American English Dubs on TV, but I had no problem watching their movies that had the original Japanese voice acting with the American English Sub, because I had no attachment to a live actor and their voice. It is a fictional animated character, so they can be voiced by different people. It has even happened in Japanese anime, where an original voice actor / actress has been replaced (for various reasons), so the character sounds different than it did previously. Whenever I watch an anime, I first watch the Japanese voice acting (American English Sub), then second I watch the American English Dub, and I am always comparing their voice acting for each and every character. There are times I like the Sub better than the Dub, other times I like the Dub better than the Sub, sometimes I think they are both pretty equal in quality, and there are even times in the same anime, I will prefer a Japanese Voice Actor for one character and an American English Voice actor for another character, it really depends on how well the voice acting is done and if it matches the character. And it’s not that I speak English and not Japanese, I am comparing there voice acting per character. ”My preference is sub, but dub has its value, although dub can never be better ever period.” As you said in the beginning, this is a subjective opinion you are giving, but that does not mean that this is the ultimate truth on the topic, especially when there are others that have a different subjective opinion on this topic. I disagree with this statement, based on years of experience in comparing voice acting in anime, per character, and in different languages, to have a more objective opinion on the topic, without bias or unfair loyalty to any particular voice actors. It is possible to have an American English Dub that is better than the Japanese version, one example is the anime Darling In the Franxx. [ whether you like or dislike this anime is not the topic, this conversation is specific to voice acting only ] I watched this anime multiple times, (a) to try to understand everything that was going on in the story & (b) to compare the Japanese voice acting (American English Sub) vs the American English voice acting. The American voice actors did such a good job per character, that it sounded better than the Japanese version. Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying the Japanese voice actors did a bad job. I am saying that for the characters, the American Voice Actors really stood out more in their performance. For example, for the characters Zero Two & Hiro, I preferred hearing the voice acting of Tia Ballard & Matt Shipman over Tomatsu, Haruka & Uemura, Yuuto. The American Actors brought life to these two characters that the Japanese version did not have. Their interactions with each other sounded so much more genuine. I was really surprised at the difference in how they chose to voice these characters. Anyways, that’s my take on this topic, but I am interested in hearing your response. |
ejleonDec 4, 2024 8:40 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| @Yui_Suzumiya69 first movie got a dub a long time ago... all 3 movies got a dub well before the TV Season 1 got one. |
just an ol school American otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either.  |
Reply to 1v9machine
But sub is better than dub
| @Yuno4444 no. they're both valid forms of entertainment media. |
| just an ol school American otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
Reply to Zarutaku
The desecration has arrived.
| @Zarutaku be nice or go away. both sub and dub are valid forms of entertainment media. |
| just an ol school American otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
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Yuno4444 said:
But sub is better than dub
But sub is better than dub
As always I guess.
| @Bejitto no. they're not. they're equally valid. |
| just an ol school American otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
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ejleon said:
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
Yuno4444 said:
But sub is better than dub
But sub is better than dub
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
Give me some examples where dub was better than sub. I have never watched a single dubbed episode and it will stay like that, but I am just curious.
| @Ripperdoc Bleach, the whole thing. Naruto, the whole thing. Rave Master, the whole thing. SAO the whole thing (except for the new GGO i haven't heard the dub on that one yet). FullMetal Alchemist, the whole thing. Cowboy Bebop. Dragonball, the whole thing. Black Clover. Orphan Star. Tenchi Muyo, the whole thing. DanMachi (inches out the sub a TINY bit on that one). High School DxD, the whole thing... because you do NOT have to hear Issei say 'oppai' five thousand times. Kobayashi's Dragon Maid, the whole thing. My Teen ROMCOM is SNAFU, the whole thing. The Demon-Lord is a Part-timer. Saga of Tanya the Evil. MHA. The Unwanted Undead Adventurer. TenSura. The Dangers in my Heart. Skeleton Knight in Another World. Jobless Reincarnation. Moonlit Fantasy. In Another World with my Smartphone. Deathmarch to the Parallel World Rhapsody. Asterisk War. Daily Life of the Immortal King (yes i know this one is Chinese but Funimation's dub on that one was excellent!). the entire A Certain Scientific/Magical World's franchise. Accel World. Amagi Brilliant Park. frankly i could keep on typing but that'll be enough. |
| just an ol school American otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
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Would the movie be alao dubbed?
| @Spartan-30 all three movies are already dubbed. |
| just an ol school American otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
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NegativeRei said:
There are maybe 2% shows where the dub is better.
ejleon said:
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
There are maybe 2% shows where the dub is better.
Not really, there are 2% dubs that are tolerable…
| @FutoiOtaku real numbers please. put em out there or just hush. |
| just an ol school American otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
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ejleon said:
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
Yuno4444 said:
But sub is better than dub
But sub is better than dub
That really depends, I watch both the subs and dubs of the anime in my “completed list”.
There are subs that are done better than the dubs.
There are also dubs that are done better than the subs.
Then there are subs / dubs that equally good in quality.
This has been my experience with anime.
There are maybe 2% shows where the dub is better.
| @NegativeRei hand out some real numbers or hush. |
| just an ol school American otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
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ejleon said:
@FutoiOtaku Like the "2% comment", your comment is also not true. There are a lot of well made and tolerable dubs, even if the sub is "better".
@FutoiOtaku Like the "2% comment", your comment is also not true. There are a lot of well made and tolerable dubs, even if the sub is "better".
It’s all subjective, I’ve already said in assorted threads on the topic that dubs have their place and make anime accessible to a wider audience. But to actual English people the ‘English’ dubs are mostly irritating American child accents that detract from the characters they represent. The fact that a Japanese character sounds better in the original language is indisputable therefore NO dub is better than sub, although it can allow a viewer to take in the visual aspects without staring at the writing and therefore is not altogether bad. My preference is sub, but dub has its value although dub can never be better ever period.
| @FutoiOtaku actually YES dub can be better than sub all. the. time. guess how? somebody never watches sub, ever. so they can't give an opinion on it. also, you do know there are now SEVEN languages Funi-Roll is producing/paying to be made for both subs n dubs on their services? so. are you going to critique Hindi, Russian, German, Spanish etc. dubs as well in the future? not just English? |
| just an ol school American otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
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