Bottom-Tier Character Tomozaki (light novel)
| I personally think Season 1 was better than Season 2. Season 2 did have good character progression but was also a bit boring at times. They dragged out the Erika arc a bit too much. The drama in it was alright for what it was, but I feel they could have shortened it if need be. Then there's the Kikuchi play arc, which was also meh. The interaction between the characters felt really bland and I feel like even though the show is trying to get kikuchi and tomozaki together, it failed to do so at times.The chemistry shown between Tomozaki and Mimimi was also much better.This is a small thing but I found it quite annoying when they used quarter of the episode to show the short play which didn't add any significance and too for what ? I think 2 episodes... |
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| S1 was much better IMO. |
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| When I finished the first season, I was expecting the second season to be more of the same: Tomozaki continuing to learn social skills from Aoi, but with more opportunities for conflict between them when Tomozaki's own goals don't line up with Aoi's goals of turning him into generic Chad. But the stories of Erika's arc and the preparations for the culture festival made it so that Tomozaki's development, as well as Aoi and her missions, took a back seat. Instead we got a lot of drama and development for the old side characters, which I enjoyed, but not everyone will. |
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| i liked it but it was a bit inferior to season 1. i'm hoping we get a season 3 someday, i want more kikuchi x tomozaki screentime but now in romantic context. |
 The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
| I totally agree with this one. The ending is kinda rushed or im just dumb who didn't understand the meaning behind their words |
| Why do I feel disappointed at the ending of this season? Maybe I expect too much. I enjoyed the season 1 & season 2 except ep.13. |
| too much skippable stuff, they could probably throw away 40% and that would only make the season better |
| Am I a good person? No. But do I try to be better every single day? Also no |
| I agree with you. 4 episodes of Erika and Hanabi were too much. Kikuchi arc was boring for me, it was dragged 'till the end. Funny how Kikuchi didn't even see Mimimi as rival, instead kept dragging Aoi. Author decided that Mimimi should stay number 2 in everything she does, no matter how much effort she puts. I don't know what to expect if they adapt more, probably side characters romances and MC and Fuuka dating, and I'm not interested in any of it. I would only be interested in adaptation of spin off Mimimi route. |
| I thought it was very good, the beginning was a bit turbulent, as they had to rush, but overall it was very good. The first season was the simplest part. Since the protagonist had many obvious things that he should improve. The second season is more complex, since to develop the protagonist and his friends things had to be much deeper. I saw complaints about Erika's arc as if they hadn't seen or ignored all the evolution that Tomozaki had during that arc. He got along much better with his friends, and for the first time, he started leading a group. He also discovered someone who wanted to change, but in circumstances completely different from his. Tama's entire evolution was incredible. And this arc also shows group dynamics, often seen even on the internet. We saw another side of hinami, and that she might be even scarier than we thought. The festival arc focused on the love triangle, but it's much more than that. At this point another person is shown who wants to change, but the answer this time is completely different. Not everyone needs to change, everyone is different. It was incredible how the anime worked with different perspectives on what it means to change. The part of the play was phenomenal for those who pay attention and don't just want something quick and impactful(tiktok). It showed Kikuchi's entire worldview and how it changed as she interacted with Tomozaki. Mimimi became particularly adorable in this arc, I really liked her. She tried her best and had a lot of courage. It was extremely painful to see that she was once again not going to get what she wanted, but she is strong. Anyway, as I mentioned, it is a more complex season and goes much deeper than the first, which is precisely why many may not like it. It also doesn't focus that much on romance and the favorite was rejected. I think such an interesting and well-written show deserved much more, but it can't be helped. |
Reply to BioticKhajiit
Im a Mimimi fan but that isnt the reason Ive not liked the 2nd half of this season (the first half was pretty decent).
I dislike it because not only does the best girl lose he gets with THEE most boring fucking npc tier character. I already know how it goes in the LN but its still obnoxiously boring that its a pain to sit through. Not because my pick didnt win but because Tomozaki picks and therefore the narrative focusses on the most none character character in the show. Fuuka segements are all REALLY dull and are just meaningless exposition. The play bits eat up loads of screentime and are barely worth watching even on 2x (her story is alright but its still a slog to watch) and interactions with her also like this. She is a blandly written character and thus her taking up so much screentime causes my opinion of the show to nosedive.
Theres be cope responses along the lines of 'oh but her segments are deep', or projections like 'she's just shy/introverted, do you think all shy people are boring characters?' etc. She is NOT particularly any deeper than the rest of the show beyond it being hamfisted/not subtle about it (which is why its both boring and annoying to watch) when the plot/narrative demands it. She is not developed at all beyond going in circles. Heck her negative traits in later points in the LN barely even make her an interesting character but its at least something. Here she and she basically alone ruins what is a good story (in all its media formats).
You could cut her out of the show and it would be better. Or replace her if she's that cruicial to the intended direction of the narrative but fuck me as she is now she is a boring soulless npc character that needs revisions just like her play. she isnt a flawed meek character by smart writing/intention. She's simply just bad.
I dislike it because not only does the best girl lose he gets with THEE most boring fucking npc tier character. I already know how it goes in the LN but its still obnoxiously boring that its a pain to sit through. Not because my pick didnt win but because Tomozaki picks and therefore the narrative focusses on the most none character character in the show. Fuuka segements are all REALLY dull and are just meaningless exposition. The play bits eat up loads of screentime and are barely worth watching even on 2x (her story is alright but its still a slog to watch) and interactions with her also like this. She is a blandly written character and thus her taking up so much screentime causes my opinion of the show to nosedive.
Theres be cope responses along the lines of 'oh but her segments are deep', or projections like 'she's just shy/introverted, do you think all shy people are boring characters?' etc. She is NOT particularly any deeper than the rest of the show beyond it being hamfisted/not subtle about it (which is why its both boring and annoying to watch) when the plot/narrative demands it. She is not developed at all beyond going in circles. Heck her negative traits in later points in the LN barely even make her an interesting character but its at least something. Here she and she basically alone ruins what is a good story (in all its media formats).
You could cut her out of the show and it would be better. Or replace her if she's that cruicial to the intended direction of the narrative but fuck me as she is now she is a boring soulless npc character that needs revisions just like her play. she isnt a flawed meek character by smart writing/intention. She's simply just bad.
| @BioticKhajiit Tomozaki is only who he is because of Kikuchi. She played a crucial role in his entire evolution, as she was the one who showed that it was okay for him to change. She is also "a person who wants to change", but of a different type from Tomozaki and Tama, her perspective is completely different from them. She is a lost and purposeless teenager, the most common thing nowadays. Honestly, I like Mimimi more, but it makes perfect sense for Tomozaki to choose her. She's always the guiding light for Tomozaki when he doesn't know what to do or feels lost. It's been like this since the first season. |
Reply to Seansy
@MaouHero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha7HAG6jVqc
I'm glad to find someone else that appreciated all of that stuff like I did. This series is so much more than just another romcom to fight about waifu wars over. I hope more people appreciate the depth to it going forward as it goes even deeper into psychological issues if it gets a 3rd season...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha7HAG6jVqc
I'm glad to find someone else that appreciated all of that stuff like I did. This series is so much more than just another romcom to fight about waifu wars over. I hope more people appreciate the depth to it going forward as it goes even deeper into psychological issues if it gets a 3rd season...
| @Seansy Exactly. It's much more about development and social dynamics than romance, but it seems like a lot of people don't understand that yet. So for these people, anything that doesn't involve romance is useless and meaningless. I also really hope there is a third season. And if possible, I would like a better studio. |
| conpared to season 1, for some reason i did not care for this season at all. it weird |
| bad, simple as that |
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Reply to BioticKhajiit
@MaouHero
>Tomozaki is who he is due to Kikuchi
First this is cope as you can apply it to most of the characters he's had more than trivial interactiosn with and its laughable if you compare it to Both Aoi who actually molds him actively, and his passive growth by hanging out with Mimimi. He becomes more normal via this even before S2 started hamfisting strained on the nose dialogues with Fuuka. Its badly written.
Her wanting to change is irrelevant and doesnt mean she is a well written character because 'muh she has deep trait bro'. This also doesnt mean she is good with Tomozaki (seriously the chemistry is terrible and them gettign together there as its purposefully written that way / the plot demands it occur). The 'muh most common type of teenager' part is again meaningless in this discussion and doesnt make her a well written or interesting character. Tropes, descriptions, personality traits DO NOT inherently make a character actually interesting or useful to the narrative.
She isnt a guiding light at all. She's literally a mouthpiece (and arguably self insert for the writer) for the author to hamfist some deep concept discussion when they either cba to write it another way / be subtle. You could have any other character will this role and Aoi arguably does. Fuuka is there purely to at best make him do introspection (again this DOES NOT make her valuable as a character).
More to the point. Its just a fucking bore that is painful to both watch and read. She isnt even interesting when she's havign her minor character moments and her play eats up far too much screentime to hamfist the SAME FUCKING messages again and again with minor differences to make some deep point. Its just fucking shit. Its not about Mimimi losing, its about her losing to a none character. Heck he could just reject Mimimi and itd be more interesting (even if stupidly written). Hence when Id applaud the author if they have Fuuka and Tomozaki break up for him to go for either Mimimi or Aoi. The later of the two actually being something interesting and both being actually well written characters than a shitty narrative theme mouthpiece.
>Tomozaki is who he is due to Kikuchi
First this is cope as you can apply it to most of the characters he's had more than trivial interactiosn with and its laughable if you compare it to Both Aoi who actually molds him actively, and his passive growth by hanging out with Mimimi. He becomes more normal via this even before S2 started hamfisting strained on the nose dialogues with Fuuka. Its badly written.
Her wanting to change is irrelevant and doesnt mean she is a well written character because 'muh she has deep trait bro'. This also doesnt mean she is good with Tomozaki (seriously the chemistry is terrible and them gettign together there as its purposefully written that way / the plot demands it occur). The 'muh most common type of teenager' part is again meaningless in this discussion and doesnt make her a well written or interesting character. Tropes, descriptions, personality traits DO NOT inherently make a character actually interesting or useful to the narrative.
She isnt a guiding light at all. She's literally a mouthpiece (and arguably self insert for the writer) for the author to hamfist some deep concept discussion when they either cba to write it another way / be subtle. You could have any other character will this role and Aoi arguably does. Fuuka is there purely to at best make him do introspection (again this DOES NOT make her valuable as a character).
More to the point. Its just a fucking bore that is painful to both watch and read. She isnt even interesting when she's havign her minor character moments and her play eats up far too much screentime to hamfist the SAME FUCKING messages again and again with minor differences to make some deep point. Its just fucking shit. Its not about Mimimi losing, its about her losing to a none character. Heck he could just reject Mimimi and itd be more interesting (even if stupidly written). Hence when Id applaud the author if they have Fuuka and Tomozaki break up for him to go for either Mimimi or Aoi. The later of the two actually being something interesting and both being actually well written characters than a shitty narrative theme mouthpiece.
| @BioticKhajiit Apart from Hinami, no other character besides Kikuchi had as much influence on Tomozaki. Mimimi doesn't even come close. This is evident because his biggest evolution in S1 was due to Kikuchi. And that was just to refute you saying that she should be cut and the show show would be better. Is her wanting to change irrelevant? Did you watch the same thing as me? One of the main points of this arc is that not everyone needs to change, Tomozaki realizing this was a big development for him. I have no idea what "an interesting character" is for you and I honestly don't care, but to say she's not an important character is to deny reality. She has always been Tomozaki's guiding light: She made him feel comfortable being himself, without worrying so much about the rules taught by Aoi. She was the one who made him reconcile with Aoi when he wanted to give up everything, etc. The only girl with whom Tomozaki has had a romantic relationship since the beginning is Kikuchi, unlike Mimimi who only happened in this second season (or volumes 6 and 7). It was obvious who he would choose. I've seen that you're a Kikuchi hater and I honestly don't care. I also don't pretend to understand what you find "interesting" or "well written." |
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