86--EIGHTY-SIX (light novel)
| 86 is a mixed blessing. Thematically it's quite good, nice to see serious and dark anti-war themes picked up. Stands out for sure from the forgettable seasonal bulk ware. The presentation triggers me a bit, characters are too young and there really is no need for a military officer to wear ganter belts other than cheap fan service. But overall: good to see a show like that tailored for a new audience. 86 (2021) Grim-dark sci-fi version of All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) in a racist dystopia. Genuinely good writing and animation. The fly in the ointment is the abnormally young cast, and details like the Major's stripperific uniform. Otherwise a really good show with a very strong anti-war and anti-racism message. What confuses me in particular is the mix of modern, crisp and detailed animation of 10-16 year old protagonists mixed with a deeply disturbing setting of government organized murder, not short of the levels seen in FMA:B. It doesn't help that those kids are presented as veterans of 4-5 years front experience, i.e. soldiers since they were 10 and younger. Same for their commanding officer, a girl of maybe 15-16 years and the rank of a Major. Thematically it's clearly worth a much higher rating, and visually it's impressive as well - the mecha scenes in particular are top notch action. If this is the way to get young audiences interested in more serious and political stories, so be it. I'm struggling with the mix, but in a good way because despite all this it's a show standing out from the ever same mediocre happy go lucky anime shows so prevalent this year. (7/10) |
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Requiemofthewind said: I'm coming to anime from cinema, and never read a manga or light novel. Can't say.inim said: have you seen the light novel yet?is it better than the anime or not?86 is a mixed blessing. |
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| I can only tell about my experience. I dropped it because it was super boring, which means that it isn't well written or well directed enough for how slow it is. The light novel might be better, I don't rule out that possibility. |
| i dropped it at episode 8 of s1.. the mc was annoying and voice was that forced cute voice u find in harem anime.. the other character didn't match the depth and seriousness of the plot or the theme of the anime |
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| i dropped it at episode 8 of s1.. the mc was annoying and voice was that forced cute voice u find in harem anime.. the other character didn't match the depth and seriousness of the plot or the theme of the anime |
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| Yes, it starts off a bit confusing (atleast for me) but it gets better. I'm glad that I stayed for the rest. Normally I hate mecha anime but this one's really good. |
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| Its a bit confusing but I think u will like the story. But the characters are not good |
| I dropped it at episode 6 because I was not able to bear the annoying voice of the white-haired bitch but definitely gonna watch it in dub. |
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| No... It is not that good in my opinion 1st season was average.... 2nd season (or part2) is better but it is not as good as rating make it There is much better anime in this season like Ousama Ranking...... Also, don't judge anime by the cover... |
| "Is 86 really that good?" It's a cringe tearjerker for "drama hog" teenage viewers...if you like such than it's good, personally I dropped it early. |
| 86 it's either an 8 or a 6 for you, simple |
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| Depends on the people you ask, it could be either a 10 or a 1, this show is confusing but I love it and even more after reading some analyses. 86 is probably my AOTY but not yet a masterpiece, I don't think it gets into the serious phase yet |
| It's a mixture of good and mediocre, with some occasional greatness. As in anime form, it's one of the best LN adaptations. I mean, if more LN gets adapted this well, we gucci. |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
| Yeah it's pretty good, the character development is really good in this show and they drip feed you information about the story without telling you too much to keep it quite mysterious. It can start off quite generic though. |
| It deserves an even higher score than it has.I have seen horse-shit rated higher than 86 on this site.The mecha aspect in 86 is only to move the plot forward.It's main focus is racism.military politics and war.It does a great job at deeply exploring all it's themes as well as fleshing out it's main characters.Also,it's narrative structure comes off as rather unique as it features events taking place at two seperate places.I'd say you should definitely give it a try. |
| I think it's really good, alot of people are saying "anime of the year", but I think it's far from that. |
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| That depends on what you mean by "that." If you mean "not even marginally," or "the absolute opposite of," then yes, it is "that good." |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
| No. It's just another bad anime that MAL rates highly because it is popular. MAL being MAL. |
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| I think not. Season 1 was average at best and season 2 was kinda meh. I found Eva better in portraying symbolism. Gurren Lagann for adrenaline action packed story, and SukaSuka for portraying the racist and descrimination part. Lena being a waifu is kinda cringe. But I guess it's MAL. People like to overhype something. |
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EndlessMaria said: Generic lame attempt at killer phrase, poorly researched if at all, and flat out wrong. 86 has significantly above average ratings across very different servers. Anidb 7.27 (normalized), imdb.com 8.1 and anilist 81%.No. It's just another bad anime that MAL rates highly because it is popular. MAL being MAL. You entitled to your own opinion ("No."), but not to your own 'facts' ("MAL being MAL"). |
inimNov 22, 2021 2:56 AM
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| Season 1 is pretty boring with a lot of unnecessary scenes that doesn't really accomplish anything worth talking about (like character development, moving the plot forward, making the audience see the character interactions, etch. NOTHING OF THAT SORT) But Season 2 is pretty interesting because it threw out what makes the 1st season weak (the things I said above) and just make it a completely different anime altogether. |
 I wasted all my time in rewatching to the point of my rewatch total is higher than my overall anime total lmao |
inim said: EndlessMaria said: Generic lame attempt at killer phrase, poorly researched if at all, and flat out wrong. 86 has significantly above average ratings across very different servers. Anidb 7.27 (normalized), imdb.com 8.1 and anilist 81%.No. It's just another bad anime that MAL rates highly because it is popular. MAL being MAL. You entitled to your own opinion ("No."), but not to your own 'facts' ("MAL being MAL"). MAL is just a microcosm of the entire anime fanbase which in general has bad taste. MAL is only relevant because that is where we are. You are just nitpicking because you didn't like what I said. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
EndlessMaria said: Reality denial, putting words into my mouth and interpersonal attacks won't improve your bad argument. It's totally fine when you don't like the show, trying to sound "objective and factual" about it devalues that.inim said: Generic lame attempt at killer phrase, poorly researched if at all, and flat out wrong. 86 has significantly above average ratings across very different servers. Anidb 7.27 (normalized), imdb.com 8.1 and anilist 81%. You entitled to your own opinion ("No."), but not to your own 'facts' ("MAL being MAL"). MAL is just a microcosm of the entire anime fanbase which in general has bad taste. MAL is only relevant because that is where we are. You are just nitpicking because you didn't like what I said. |
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| Pros: It has good transitions scenes (I think it comes under direction or editing, whatever). The Mech fights are really worth the watch. Cons: The characters are so boring. They feel like they have depth, but in the end, I can summarize them in one or two line, and feel like I'm not missing anything about them. It takes so much time to make you feel for characters sorry state and it feels rather frustrating how hard it tries. |
| I dont think the story is anything special, neither are the characters... But the directing and the music are some of the best I've ever seen in an anime, which makes the whole show way more amazing than it should be |
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| It's good, but not ss good as it's made out to be. I liked it, but expected more controversial content. More war crimes, backstory and character development. I got some world and relationship building in s1, but it wasn't enough and it lacked impact. |
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Requiemofthewind said: HELL NO.Ok im gonna stop the bait,but It's seriously Really that good? except for those who simply wanna see how good/bad it is, no it's not. nah. At this rate never. haha. |
| I honestly really enjoy it. I like how it portrays war, corruption, survivor's guilt, basically the ugly side of war that most anime never really touches on. In the end tho, you can't really listen to anyone's opinion and should just check it out for yourself. From what I've seen of Evangelion and Gurren Lagann, it's not at their level but it's definitely an enjoyable show imo |
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Requiemofthewind said: Ok im gonna stop the bait,but It's seriously Really that good?reccomended?is it one of the best Mecha anime yet?or even better than Evangelion and Gurenn lagann? Idk yet still planning to watch 86,it has really high score in mal both anime and light novel. It has a fairly good season 1, but season 2 is really not that great. Biggest problem with the anime is a lack of good characters. You're definitely gonna find way better anime with the themes its trying to convey, so I'd save the trouble and just skip this one. Instead watch Irina: The Vampire Cosmonaut and Kings Ranking from this season. They are not related to 86 in terms of what they are, but they are better anime in every way. |
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| I loved the first season initially but it hasn't aged too well for me. It's just a fine season now but nothing special nor groundbreaking, wish the writing surrounding the politics and conflicts had more nuance to them and better world building overall. Season 1 at least did fairly well with the characters compared to season 2 which has been meh. Good directing and visuals though overall, much more consumable than the LNs. |
| I think it’s an amazing anime, and the light novel is equally great. That’s my opinion. However, at the end of the day, this is your time and choice. It’s better to go watch it than ask MAL, probably the last place to ask for opinions, just like reddit. I mean, you could have watched an episode or two and made your own opinion/impressions instead of waiting for replies here. |
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| I know I have a biasedness for it, but 86 is genuinely a very good show in terms of tackling military drama and the characters associated in a very deliberate and remarkable fashion. I won't say it's unique by any means, but it has that sort of edge to it in terms of visual directing, character highlighting, and emotional tempos that I can't help but adore. I've recently talked with a few mutuals about the show and I can agree that the whole political/racism side of things in the series is quite blunt and could use some work in the future. However, I will disagree to a good extent here, cause I feel like if 86 tried to prioritize more of the political side of things, it would make things feel too inflated, tedious, and boring. I'm not here to listen to extended mumble-jumble about racism and social standings for at least 2-3 more episodes worth. Then again, I have quite a personal disliking for political-heavy plot elements in general, especially within sci-fi/mech premises, hence why stuff like Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu and most Gundam series really didnt' click with me at all. In the end, I know it's more of a preference thing, but 86 has always intended to be more character & drama-driven than necessary with the political hullabaloo, the latter is more so an asset than a necessity, anyways. The worldbuilding in general CAN use polishing down the stretch, though, if anything. Other than that, it's overall a fine dandy series that deserves more attention nowadays, especially with how overly saturated the mech and sci fi genres have been over the decades. |
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| the story was needed more intelligence like eva or tatami galaxy or more pretentious shit like that, good characters were only nouzen and lena, rest mid, especially that loli in 2nd cour |
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| Premise gets flimsy at times but thematically touches on lots of interesting stuff. |
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