Devils' Line
| Honestly, this show is amazing, I dunno how some people hate this, the romance is sublime from the very beginning of episode 1 and it's getting better and better each episode and the plot has the most depth in probably all vampire anime and non-anime out there And someone even tried to compare it to Twilight, wtf you know you're a try hard elitist if your level of hate is that strong. Just bcoz there's a lot of vampire romance out there doesn't mean a quality one doesn't exist |
LairucremMay 5, 2018 7:26 PM
| Just because you perceive the show as good, doesn't mean it is. Perception is perspective, and what you see is not even close to what other people see. The animation / art quality is frankly awful. A fair amount of the animation is severely lacking in quality. They look like children's outline art filled in with singular colors. The animation is often stuttery or lacking detail. It jumps around from average to poor, to a second of good quality. The background character's voice acting is often extremely poor, and a lot of the "I'm suffering" scenes are also very poorly done and quite obviously fake. When Anzai is going feral his guttural sounds are painfully fake. The concept is extraordinarily ordinary and has been done a million times by a million different authors often. It's a piss poor monster controlling his nature for the woman he loves. A mediocre imitation of a Beauty and The Beast concept. None of the story or character progress feels genuine or seems logical. Merely forced shoujo crap. People are comparing it to Twilight because it is basically Twilight with more angst and less self control and amplified with anime logic. Crap vampire romance is what they both break down to. Like they say, if the shoe fits. If you think the story is good, fine, I disagree and will bring up as many points or counter points as necessary. However, there are things that are some facts that are unassailable when speaking of the quality of the show. The animation and sound are inconsistent at best, the story is not at all special, and there are countless logical and literature issues with it. How about instead of asking a rhetorical question in plan to receive comments which align with your views, you read the reviews, comments, forums discussions and make an effort to understand why people dislike it. What you're doing is fishing for confirmation bias comments, and if you actually wondered why people think this show is trash, asking such a poorly framed question with a passive aggressive attempt to bolster your views is the worst way possible to go about answering it. |
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Yautja said: Just because you perceive the show as good, doesn't mean it is. Perception is perspective, and what you see is not even close to what other people see. The animation / art quality is frankly awful. A fair amount of the animation is severely lacking in quality. They look like children's outline art filled in with singular colors. The animation is often stuttery or lacking detail. It jumps around from average to poor, to a second of good quality. The background character's voice acting is often extremely poor, and a lot of the "I'm suffering" scenes are also very poorly done and quite obviously fake. When Anzai is going feral his guttural sounds are painfully fake. The concept is extraordinarily ordinary and has been done a million times by a million different authors often. It's a piss poor monster controlling his nature for the woman he loves. A mediocre imitation of a Beauty and The Beast concept. None of the story or character progress feels genuine or seems logical. Merely forced shoujo crap. People are comparing it to Twilight because it is basically Twilight with more angst and less self control and amplified with anime logic. Crap vampire romance is what they both break down to. Like they say, if the shoe fits. If you think the story is good, fine, I disagree and will bring up as many points or counter points as necessary. However, there are things that are some facts that are unassailable when speaking of the quality of the show. The animation and sound are inconsistent at best, the story is not at all special, and there are countless logical and literature issues with it. How about instead of asking a rhetorical question in plan to receive comments which align with your views, you read the reviews, comments, forums discussions and make an effort to understand why people dislike it. What you're doing is fishing for confirmation bias comments, and if you actually wondered why people think this show is trash, asking such a poorly framed question with a passive aggressive attempt to bolster your views is the worst way possible to go about answering it. You've already lost all credibility when your argument is animation qualityand sound lol You're no animation expert just trying to act smart and feeling expert just so you could use this weak opinionated argument that is "animation quality" this level of animation is okay for this average budget show. You sound like you're expecting an animation like OPM again proves how biased and opinionated a try hard elitist like you. Stop it dude you're embarrassing yourself You try hard elitist are always hilarious Concept? Lol I said plot depth smfh your poor comprehension exposes a try hard elitist So just bcoz you perceive the show as bad, doesn't mean it is, Perception is perspective, and what you see is not even close to what a NOT filthy casual sees, I get that you're probably a twilight fan but don't spread the cancer here. Your inability to make an objective argument proves my point, that only die hard vampires fans hates this, basically casuals |
| @TsundeReaper , seems like @Yautja post does have some truth to it. You're baselesly calling someone an elitist just because he doesn't like the same shit you like basically proves that last paragraph of his. It's not even trying to act smart. smh I'm no animation expert as well but you can really see how clunky the animation is. Have you seen that Vampire running animation on the first episode? Freaking awful. Of course animation isn't everything, it's basically a supplement but then again, the romance in this anime feels really forced. I've watched my fair share of shoujo as well but the relationship between the two feels unnatural as what Yautja has already said. I don't really see any chemistry between them. If you want real hidden gems that are pretty solid in actuality this season, there's Gurazeni or even Dorei-ku. I can appreciate low-rated anime too but this one's honestly just bad. Whatever floats your boat I guess |
EGOIST said: @TsundeReaper , seems like @Yautja post does have some truth to it. You're baselesly calling someone an elitist just because he doesn't like the same shit you like basically proves that last paragraph of his. It's not even trying to act smart. smh I'm no animation expert as well but you can really see how clunky the animation is. Have you seen that Vampire running animation on the first episode? Freaking awful. Of course animation isn't everything, it's basically a supplement but then again, the romance in this anime feels really forced. I've watched my fair share of shoujo as well but the relationship between the two feels unnatural as what Yautja has already said. I don't really see any chemistry between them. If you want real hidden gems that are pretty solid in actuality this season, there's Gurazeni or even Dorei-ku. I can appreciate low-rated anime too but this one's honestly just bad. Whatever floats your boat I guess Again, this is no high budget show, this level of animation is just to be expected of this, you'd just make yourself look like a fool if uses an animation quality argument for it. "truth" lol how can you not see how opinionated his biased argument is? I'm mind blown by you tbfh |
| @TsundeReaper , I feel like you didn't read my post |
| @EGOIST animation quality is also the weakest argument someone can ever make, seems to be getting quite popular argument for casuals bcoz cancerous YouTubers are also filthy casuals who brainwashed them into using that argument even angsty and edgy are favorite words of casuals now for trying hard elitism. Sad they can't think for themselves Animation quality hardly takes anything to a show, it's all about the story, characters and depth |
| That's cool and all, sadly Devils Line doesn't have any of those, at least the anime doesn't |
| You don't know how well educated I am on animation and audio. Ironically I am an 'expert' to a degree. I study computer systems, digital processing and computer generated art and animation at college. So I do in fact have a fucking clue what I am talking about. The fact that to you discussing the quality of video invalidates my 'credibility' proves my point. As @EGOIST said. You're not looking for an answer or discussion. Merely a mutual jerkoff session to validate your views in the presence of others. Because lord knows you have no confidence in your beliefs when you're alone. You're so insecure with your taste that all you can do is try to attack me and poorly change the subject or argue semantics. I also don't think you're in any position to argue objectivity. That word probably doesn't fit into your narrow frame of mind. You don't even have faith in your opinions, because your entire response focuses on me. Not what I said. Not the show. Me. You can't muster up the confidence to challenge my statements or speak your own. You also seem to have an awful inferiority complex. The world doesn't give a shit what you like. You're free to enjoy whatever you want. But when you start insulting people and behave like a cry bully because some disagrees with you or calls out your bullshit, your true self shows. Weak. Insecure. And afraid. You won't accept any challenge head on because you don't have the balls to defend your opinions with facts and logic. All you can do is scream and cry and hope people will tire of dealing with you and leave. Because that shallow 'victory' is the only kind you can achieve. |
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| I think if this season wasn't so strong with so many good shows, this would fare better, but with so many (imo) better shows around now, it just seems that it isn't worth the time. It is decent, but could be better, really. |
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Yautja said: You don't know how well educated I am on animation and audio. Ironically I am an 'expert' to a degree. I study computer systems, digital processing and computer generated art and animation at college. So I do in fact have a fucking clue what I am talking about. The fact that to you discussing the quality of video invalidates my 'credibility' proves my point. As @EGOIST said. You're not looking for an answer or discussion. Merely a mutual jerkoff session to validate your views in the presence of others. Because lord knows you have no confidence in your beliefs when you're alone. You're so insecure with your taste that all you can do is try to attack me and poorly change the subject or argue semantics. I also don't think you're in any position to argue objectivity. That word probably doesn't fit into your narrow frame of mind. You don't even have faith in your opinions, because your entire response focuses on me. Not what I said. Not the show. Me. You can't muster up the confidence to challenge my statements or speak your own. You also seem to have an awful inferiority complex. The world doesn't give a shit what you like. You're free to enjoy whatever you want. But when you start insulting people and behave like a cry bully because some disagrees with you or calls out your bullshit, your true self shows. Weak. Insecure. And afraid. You won't accept any challenge head on because you don't have the balls to defend your opinions with facts and logic. All you can do is scream and cry and hope people will tire of dealing with you and leave. Because that shallow 'victory' is the only kind you can achieve. Lol stop embarrassing yourself with this rant? You fool, 100% weak opinionated biased argument again lol have pity on yourself dude Oh some dude on the internet says he's an expert on animation lmao foh You've lost all your credibility the moment you use a weak casual's argument such as animation quality lol go cry somewhere else loser |
| The show is awful imo |
ThreadFazer said: Underrated AF, Which is sad actually.. totally beining ranked over 5700 is not what this show deserves :( |
| Everything you say just validates what I've said. It's truly sad all you can do is try and insult me. |
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Yautja said: Just because you perceive the show as good, doesn't mean it is. Perception is perspective, and what you see is not even close to what other people see. The animation / art quality is frankly awful. A fair amount of the animation is severely lacking in quality. They look like children's outline art filled in with singular colors. The animation is often stuttery or lacking detail. It jumps around from average to poor, to a second of good quality. The background character's voice acting is often extremely poor, and a lot of the "I'm suffering" scenes are also very poorly done and quite obviously fake. When Anzai is going feral his guttural sounds are painfully fake. The concept is extraordinarily ordinary and has been done a million times by a million different authors often. It's a piss poor monster controlling his nature for the woman he loves. A mediocre imitation of a Beauty and The Beast concept. None of the story or character progress feels genuine or seems logical. Merely forced shoujo crap. People are comparing it to Twilight because it is basically Twilight with more angst and less self control and amplified with anime logic. Crap vampire romance is what they both break down to. Like they say, if the shoe fits. If you think the story is good, fine, I disagree and will bring up as many points or counter points as necessary. However, there are things that are some facts that are unassailable when speaking of the quality of the show. The animation and sound are inconsistent at best, the story is not at all special, and there are countless logical and literature issues with it. How about instead of asking a rhetorical question in plan to receive comments which align with your views, you read the reviews, comments, forums discussions and make an effort to understand why people dislike it. What you're doing is fishing for confirmation bias comments, and if you actually wondered why people think this show is trash, asking such a poorly framed question with a passive aggressive attempt to bolster your views is the worst way possible to go about answering it. I saw the anime's ratings and thought "whoa! What's going on here?" I've been reading the manga and just starting watching the anime. First off, I'd like to just say that daaamn you're being so harsh! I mean to each their own or so the saying goes but I think it should get a bit more credit than that. Your first sentence is a bit of a contradiction; perception is just that so that doesn't mean the show is good OR bad. I understand you think it's bad, and that's fine but let's just throw that out there. Also, I watched the dub and can definitely agree that the voice work is laughable. I love me a good dub but this one sits on the much lower end compared to a lot of shows from the past few years. However, disputing a show for how common its concept is is kind of... subjective? I'm not a vampire buff but I can say the hybrid of it being a drama and a cop show is what really makes it interesting. The progression isn't terribly unique but it's got this air of maturity with how the politics of the world fit right into each scenario without bloating exposition. I can't help but wonder what might happen next and can respect the characters because they are realistic in their speech and thoughts. I really hate this word known as "fact" being used to justify anyone's reasoning. It sounds absurd, but think of it poetically: a mother is a woman who has given birth to a child, but can that be the limit to such a definition? Should it be? The answer to that shows how vast a person's imagination can be, but if the word "fact" is used as a means to simplify a person's definition, it kind of throws out the point to a subjective matter. Also, there isn't anything wrong with the OP's post. It invites conversation. It certainly isn't the best wording for what they were trying to say, but your response isn't either, huh? I can't ask anyone to be reasonable with their expression; I can't ask anyone to do anything, really... but just know that we've all got our opinions. The majority doesn't win here. |
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I'm being harsh because this guy isn't looking for a conversation, and is being a cry bully, and vindictive dick. He has an obvious victim complex and is letting it show. What I meant by saying perception is perspective is that what you see depends on how you look at things. I shouldn't have to explain such an obvious sentence. The animation quality and audio quality in both sub and dub are awful. Animation is inconsistent at best, usually drops in face paced scenes and fights, and the audio lacks and genuine quality when expressing emotions such as pain. I'm judging this show as objectively as I can. I am a fan of vampires and werewolves, though not enough to call myself a buff. But the romance and general story is nothing special and has been done before. A common concept that has been done before and has not added anything new is just a money grab or a poor fanfiction. If every great work of art followed the same theme with the same style it would have no worth. Just like an exact copy of the Mona Lisa, or a picture of it. It has been done, and does not add anything to the art. Endless copies of anything depreciates the value of said thing. More copies mean higher standards. It applies to anime, it applies to art, it applies to EVERYTHING. Especially money. Google Hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic. Look, having vampires or vampires and romance is not implicitly bad. What is bad however is that this show does not add anything new, do anything particularly well or is made with great quality. Like I said. The animation and audio is just plain bad. The story is nothing new. Beauty meets Beast, Beast struggles with inner nature, Beauty saves him with her love. The outline is average. The quality is poor. The characters and their romance development is poorly done and paced. I have explained it, and plenty of others have done it too, in greater detail. The three times I used the word fact were to specify that he had no knowledge to my understanding of animation and audio. Take the word fact out my first using of it would not change the sentence whatsoever. The second time I used it was used correctly. Discussing the animation to him invalidated my opinion. That is a fact. And the third time I used it is to challenge him. He would not attack my arguments, or bring up points which would support his idea that the show is good. He would name call and project his inadequacies onto me. If you dislike the word fact, it's probably because you cannot use them or have them used against you. Facts are used to justify reasoning. That is their purpose. A mother is a woman who has given birth. If a woman is taking care of a child and has not birthed any she is not a mother, biologically at least. She can be considered a foster mother though. I'm sorry but your attempt at philosophical reasoning fails to challenge the validity of the use of the word fact and fails to define it. Yes, there is something wrong with it. It does not invite conversation. It invites people who share his opinion to comfort themselves. His responses to me and others who dislike the show are proof of that. He said His first paragraph praises the show, and says that he personally cannot understand the reason for people disliking the show. Then just says that the show is good. He doesn't provide any backing, and plenty of people have contested his points and actually provided evidence for their contests. He also says that the plot has the most depth of any vampire series out there. Which is obvious horseshit. There are countless vampire stories out there with plotlines miles above this. The original Dracula, I Am Legend, Interview with the Vampire, Shiki, Hellsing, Dance in the Vampire Bund, Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Dracula 2013, Salem's Lot, and hundreds of other books, movies, tv shows and anime. This show isn't even in the top 75% of best vampire series. The entire last paragraph insults people for zero logical reason. He says you cannot compare it to Twilight or you're a hater, or an elitist. He provides no reasoning for it. He supplements his feelings and opinions for logic, reasoning or fact. The last sentence is also nonsensical. Obviously the large amount of vampire anime out there doesn't mean that good ones don't exist. In fact it means the contrary. More anime means a bigger chance of finding a good one. It also however means a bigger chance of finding a bad one. If you can't understand why I criticized him the way I did, I think you should reread his original post, and the focus hard on my last paragraph of my first response. If that isn't enough look at all his responses to me and to @EGOIST . It's glaring how obvious his issues are. Notice how he only responds to people disagreeing with him and insults them instead of challenging their words. My response is more than fair. Both you and he have failed to provide any reasoning for why or what I said was factually, or logically wrong or flawed. I welcome you, him or anyone to explain to me why what I said was wrong. Not because it was mean or I could have hurt his feelings. But why it doesn't make sense. The majority shouldn't win, the people who are right should. The people who provide backing for their statements. The people who actually make sense and counter claims against them or what they said. Not people like him who can only call me or others 'elitists' or 'losers'. |
YautjaMay 6, 2018 3:42 PM
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Sigh, okay. I always put myself in these situations and that's fine. I should honestly really quit but I can't help myself. First things first, most of your reply isn't relevant because what I meant by "harsh" I meant your opinion of the show. I didn't intend to sound like I was defending anyone so I'll apologize for not clarifying that and technically waste your time in the process. Why would you say you shouldn't have to explain an obvious sentence? If I didn't understand, you don't have to say it that way, you just risk coming off as pretentious. Also, there's always something off about judging something objectively. All of those things you're worried about that makes a show objectively bad doesn't mean it won't be good. It's hard to accept that as logical, but does every popular piece of media have a logical pattern as to why they are successful? Some would say yes but there's no telling. Some shows become popular just because it's relevant in terms of pop culture, etc. There's no guarantee, so why cling to a stiff formula? "Something that's been done before" but people are still "discovering" something new in the same places, what does that say to the stiff formula? By fact, I was referring to when you said "However, there are things that are some facts that are unassailable when speaking of the quality of the show." I didn't read any other posts between the two of you. Some things can appeal to others despite how "factual" the quality of a show is. It's a bit imposing of someone to say "how can you call this a quality show when the animation is not up to snuff!" Quality is subjective in that it is nuanced in the small details as well as overall production. And yes, I believe mother can be used in different contexts. Take sci-fi and how bio-creations can have a "mother", and so on. I didn't use this philosophy to define the word "fact", I used it to explain that the word "fact" shouldn't be used to justify a person's opinion. Conversation is a conversation, even if it's sparked by negativity. It's like a controversy being discussed on an open forum. It invited those who agree and those who disagreed. We can assume what we want from the OP, but we're here having a conversation, right? As a disclaimer, I don't condone their behavior whatsoever. I clicked on the post because I wanted to see what people had to say, good and bad. I didn't say you were factually wrong because you aren't factually right. No one can be here, specifically speaking of this conversation between us. I just said you were being harsh and offered my personal opinion as to why I thought the show wasn't as bad as you said. I even said and I quote:"I understand you think it's bad, and that's fine." I pretty much nodded to what you said while debating against it with my own thoughts. So no, you're not wrong in your own way, your own feelings. I don't think I'm wrong either. I defended the show based off of my experience and knowledge and I think that's just fair enough. No need to be defensive; it just sounds like you're provoking me when it wasn't my intention to do so myself. XD Edit: I'm not very good at coding, so apologies for the messy quote! |
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___________________________________________________________ If you need help with the code aspects of MAL click the 'BBCode' link next to 'Cancel' and 'Submit' which includes most text boxes on the site. It opens a new window explaining the keywords and how to use the code. I'm saying I shouldn't have to say it because both you and the OP of this forum misinterpreted it, he bent it to meet his fallacious argument and you thought it was a contradiction. But anyways. When I said "Perception is perspective", it was to illustrate that the reason he may think this show is good, is probably because he's limiting himself to only seeing it as good. As was his intention when starting this forum. He is limiting his perspective, and thus ruining his perception of the show. Not to be 'pretentious' but I'm looking at all angles, and listing to why people are saying they think the show is good or like it. As well as people who dislike or don't care for it. And from those angles I have come to the conclusion, the show is bad. No, there isn't something off about judging things objectively. If that were the case having tests on literature and judging literature would have zero basis for existing and nothing could be proven to be true or wrong. Law would also be in complete disarray since context to crimes and lack of would be unable to be judged. To say that judging things objectively is strange is absolute horseshit. Yes, everything does fit into logic. Perhaps not a pattern, but there is almost always underling logical causes to the success of something. Why did people elect Trump? Because they didn't like Hillary, or didn't like the previous President or agreed with him. There is a cause there. In 20 years, people will probably think we're crazy for electing him and considering Hillary. There may not be a pattern, but there is almost always a cause to everything. And we base normalities on the probability of the thing we are observing. ""Something that's been done before" but people are still "discovering" something new in the same places, what does that say to the stiff formula?" I am not sticking to a 'stiff formula'. The show has not done anything new. It has not done anything well. Therefore it is bad. It has little to no redeeming quality. Again, your attempt at philosophy fails to establish a logical base for your statement. While people maybe discovering something new, and think it's great, that does not affect the quality of said thing. Merely their perception of it. When I started watching anime I thought so many shows were great. But years down the line, having watched so many, I now realize how bad or average a lot of them are. It relates to the currency analogy I made. Too many of one thing, depreciates the value of said thing. Also, if things objectively make a show bad, then it is bad in the context of those things. Yes I agree that though a show may have bad aspects overall it could be good, this show however is bad in every aspect that comes to mind. Your statement is broad truth that poorly reflects the show. As not only do those qualities I touched on encompass the near entirety of the show, the only subject I completely ignored is subjective enjoyment which is just that. Subjective and should not effect the rating a show has. The animation is bad. The audio is bad. The story is bad. There is nothing else to judge other than how the show made you feel and that should not majorly influence the overall rating. "Some things can appeal to others despite how "factual" the quality of a show is." If something appealed to someone despite factual evidence, that does not make that factual evidence disappear or invalid. An example is masochism. Pain hurts, pain is often not beneficial to the body. It helps us know that things are wrong and is useful, but being in pain is often an issue or indicator of an issue. Masochists enjoy pain. That does not change the fact that pain is often an indicator of bad things. This show's animation, audio and story is bad. Some people may enjoy it. That does not change the fact that this show is not of high quality and is quite frankly bad. Also, I'm not judging solely on animation as your statement would make it seem. I touched on all aspects of the show. Quality is in no way shape or form subjective. Not a fucking chance. Enjoyment certainly is, but quality is not. Ask any tradesmen, craftsmen or any person skilled in a discipline. You can tell a shit job when you see one if you're versed in said job. Am I to listen to a doctor or Sharon from down the street who is on a health kick when I say my throat is hurting? Say for example you like a particular set of headphones. You like how they feel and sound. You're enjoyment does not change the quality of the headphones. Whether they be of good quality or bad. Quality is not dependent on a person or their interpretation like emotions are. Then that sci fi scientist is not a biological mother. She is a creator, biological template, and or foster mother, but they are not a parent and child in the traditional sense. She did not literally birth said thing. Your philosophy also does not change the fact that facts are used to justify opinions as well as many other things such as logic, decisions and reason. I reiterate. That is their purpose. If you have no fact or reason for holding an opinion, why would you hold that opinion? You are also mixing cause and effect. I am not using facts to justify my opinion. I have my opinion because I've observed these facts. And I continue to use these facts as the basis for my opinion. Not the other way around. Yes a conversation is a conversation, despite it's cause, but the cause bears a great effect on the conducting and outcome of the conversation. If you killed a person, the reason for you killing that person and how you did could put you in jail or keep you out of it. Just like the reason and method that OP used when starting this forum affect how people will respond and should respond. Like I said, read the last paragraph of my first response. This discussion that OP started was not made to understand why people dislike the show. It was made so people who agree with him would say that they agree, and so he could justify his reasoning for liking the show as "a lot of other people like it, so it must be good". He couldn't care less why people dislike it, as shown by his responses. He just wants validation. What are you? Emiya Shirou? When it comes to a fact, facts are binary. 1 or 0. Yes or no, right or wrong. The surrounding context, interpretation and all other offspring made from facts which could be subjective, but being factually wrong or right is binary. There is no in between. The show is bad or the show is good. There isn't an in between when looking at the overall quality of the show. How the show makes you feel, and what people may get out of it could be good or bad, or something in between. But the show's quality is either good or bad. Not in between. You're either alive or dead. Not in between. You can either see or you can't. You either have an arm or do not. Yes my dislike of the show does not changes the facts of the show, nor does your liking it. I however have based my dislike of the show upon the facts that I have observed. You however have either done the opposite and decided you like the show, therefor it must be factually good or, interesting as you said earlier. Like it despite the fact that it is bad. However, that is not to say something that is bad, must be disliked. But that something bad, but liked does not change the fact that it is bad. An apt example would be fast food. Fast food can be liked or disliked. That does not change the fact that fast food is bad for you. I'm being harsh. So what? Is what I said wrong? No. How is it harsh? Does being harsh to an inanimate thing have any inherent problems? No. You just didn't like that I was being harsh. And that's not my problem. You chose to read my responses and respond. I do not have to sugar coat my opinion and subsequent analysis of this show for you. My being harsh and your reaction also does not change the facts regarding the show. You're certainly free to offer your opinion and it may very well change mine. But your opinion does not alter the fact that this show's animation is bad. That this show's audio is bad. That this show's story is uninspired, over done, unoriginal and bad. 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YautjaMay 6, 2018 7:21 PM
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| If they slowed down the pace and took time to develop tsukasa as a character it would be phenomenal, but that's a pretty big fault in my opinion. |
Yautja said: Everything you say just validates what I've said. It's truly sad all you can do is try and insult me. Lol get a load of this guy straight up lying about being an animation expert just bcoz he lost the argument and all of his credibility lmao foh you won't fool nobody, quit embarrassing yourself kid, you sad pathetic loser smfh Your rants proves everything lol cry somewhere else plz you're derailing the thread @Octopusball That Yautja guy is a casual among casuals lol he thinks animation quality takes anything from a show when in fact it's the weakest and the most try hard argument someone can ever make lol can he get anymore try hard elitist than he already is? Lol what a clown |
LairucremMay 6, 2018 7:56 PM
| op knows whats up. 1 to darling in franxx (good job) and 9 to devil's line. good stuff |
Wow, okay. I'm sorry I can't sit here and respond to the entirety of your message, but I'm deciding at this point that I'm done with this conversation. Not to come off rude but my limited vocabulary can't better express that you're some robotic existence that can't think outside of the logical box of textbook science. It's sad because you probably won't ever really understand what I mean, but I'm also partly to blame for not being able to express it in a way you'd get it. There are just too many people who are as uninspired as that and you're just another. It's just so nice to not have to think so earnestly human, I suppose. My bad for trying to learn and engage something like that, yikes. It's okay though, this is the internet and we don't know each other–much less need to care. I'm leaving for the sake of my sanity. Feel free to respond but I won't be replying from here on forth. I'm sure you'd probably want to have the last say anyway. (⁶ੌ௰⁶ੌ๑) Oh, and thanks for the coding tip! Have a good one. |
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TsundeReaper said: Yautja said: Everything you say just validates what I've said. It's truly sad all you can do is try and insult me. Lol get a load of this guy straight up lying about being an animation expert just bcoz he lost the argument and all of his credibility lmao foh you won't fool nobody, quit embarrassing yourself kid, you sad pathetic loser smfh Your rants proves everything lol cry somewhere else plz you're derailing the thread @Octopusball That Yautja guy is a casual among casuals lol he thinks animation quality takes anything from a show when in fact it's the weakest and the most try hard argument someone can ever make lol can he get anymore try hard elitist than he already is? Lol what a clown It's sad you can only focus on one aspect on my argument of the quality of the show and even then, you don't even challenge it. I detailed animation among the other aspects of the show, including audio, and story. Animation wasn't even my biggest criticism of it too. And unfortunately, we never had an argument because you didn't even bother challenging my statements, but instead tried to insult me. And I said expert to a degree. Because that was the word you used to try and devalue me and my response. Even if I wasn't an 'expert', or uneducated, most anyone can see the poor quality. As others have said. I study animation among digital processing, computer graphics, and programming in general. You simply saying something is not true, does not make it so. You also have no way of proving I am not versed in the aforementioned subjects, whereas I do. And if I am a casual, what are you? I have more time watched and read. I watch multiple shows airing each season, participate in forum discussions, and write reviews. What do you do? Ask rhetorical questions and insult people. Also, what does being a casual have to with the quality of the show. Nothing. It's just a poor insult you try to use to invalidate others. Finally, animation is one of three aspects of an anime among audio and story. Hardly unimportant. Hardly weak. Especially when the show in question has no good story or audio. Please, do keep trying. Your poor attempts at insulting me only make me pity you and those forced to deal with you more. |
YautjaMay 6, 2018 8:53 PM
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| Hisone to Masotan is the hidden gem of the season. Yes this is a plug to add this show to your list. |
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Octopusball said: Wow, okay. I'm sorry I can't sit here and respond to the entirety of your message, but I'm deciding at this point that I'm done with this conversation. Not to come off rude but my limited vocabulary can't better express that you're some robotic existence that can't think outside of the logical box of textbook science. It's sad because you probably won't ever really understand what I mean, but I'm also partly to blame for not being able to express it in a way you'd get it. There are just too many people who are as uninspired as that and you're just another. It's just so nice to not have to think so earnestly human, I suppose. My bad for trying to learn and engage something like that, yikes. It's okay though, this is the internet and we don't know each other–much less need to care. I'm leaving for the sake of my sanity. Feel free to respond but I won't be replying from here on forth. I'm sure you'd probably want to have the last say anyway. (⁶ੌ௰⁶ੌ๑) Oh, and thanks for the coding tip! Have a good one. It's sad that using reason qualifies someone as a robotic existence who doesn't use emotion to you. I clearly accepted that emotions are valid, not all things conform to logic and are free to be as they please, but they do not change facts or logic. I don't mind that you like the show. But I will say that you're wrong when you say the show is good without providing evidence to support that. When discussing and evaluating anything, logic will be present. If there was no logic, reason or base for anything, everything would be random and nonsensical. Also known as insanity or chaos. If you are unhappy with that, perhaps you should speak to others and gain what they see from that thinking and this conversation. Think on it yourself, why people like me are like why we are, or talk to a psychiatrist, who most certainly would have interesting views on this sort of thing. Or anyone you think may provide good feedback. I perfectly understand what you mean in every response you've made to me, but I am saying you're generally wrong in most of the statements of those responses. I have detailed why I believe that, and have provided support to that but you have elected to ignore it by not reading it. Being logical and having different views that do not align with your own does not make someone uninspired, but different. Again, you fail to provide any reasoning, support or evidence for your statements. You did no wrong trying to engage, but you, like OP, were not trying to learn anything. You were trying to argue your opinion and I was trying to argue mine. You've decided to leave, and that's fine. Also, you earlier said that I was being defensive or trying to provoke you, but now the shoe is on the other foot. You're playing the victim to a person who has not done anything against you, or insulted you, but has challenged your statements and beliefs. I'm not responding because I want the last word, but because I have something to say. If you made a response I didn't have anything to say to, I wouldn't. Having the last word in a conversation like this is largely irrelevant, and I thought I made it abundantly clear I could not care less for such a childish and pointless sentiment. |
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SeasideLuaMay 6, 2018 8:48 PM
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Yautja said: TsundeReaper said: Lol get a load of this guy straight up lying about being an animation expert just bcoz he lost the argument and all of his credibility lmao foh you won't fool nobody, quit embarrassing yourself kid, you sad pathetic loser smfh Your rants proves everything lol cry somewhere else plz you're derailing the thread @Octopusball That Yautja guy is a casual among casuals lol he thinks animation quality takes anything from a show when in fact it's the weakest and the most try hard argument someone can ever make lol can he get anymore try hard elitist than he already is? Lol what a clown It's sad you can only focus on one aspect on my argument of the quality of the show and even then, you don't even challenge it. I detailed animation among the other aspects of the show, including audio, and story. Animation wasn't even my biggest criticism of it too. And unfortunately, we never had an argument because you didn't even bother challenging my statements, but instead tried to insult me. And I said expert to a degree. Because that was the word you used to try and devalue me and my response. Even if I wasn't an 'expert', or uneducated, most anyone can see the poor quality. As others have said. I study animation among digital processing, computer graphics, and programming in general. You simply saying something is not true, does not make it so. You also have no way of proving I am not versed in the aforementioned subjects, whereas I do. And if I am a casual, what are you? I have more time watched and read. I watch multiple shows airing each season, participate in forum discussions, and write reviews. What do you do? Ask rhetorical questions and insult people. Also, what does being a casual have to with the quality of the show. Nothing. It's just a poor insult you try to use to invalidate others. Finally, animation is one of three aspects of an anime among audio and story. Hardly unimportant. Hardly weak. Especially when the show in question has no good story or audio. Please, do keep trying. Your poor attempts at insulting me only make me pity you and those forced to deal with you more. *Sigh* another meaningless rant lol stop crying dude, you seeking attention or something? You've lost all credibility, you keep proving my point here. You've got brainwashed by YouTubers, if you haven't know they're all casuals and you're a casual among casuals unable to think for yourself, that's sad really, using "animation quality" as an argument lol try harder and the most hilarious was lying about being an animation expert just to justify your weak argument lmao I pity you so much right now |
TsundeReaper said: Yautja said: It's sad you can only focus on one aspect on my argument of the quality of the show and even then, you don't even challenge it. I detailed animation among the other aspects of the show, including audio, and story. Animation wasn't even my biggest criticism of it too. And unfortunately, we never had an argument because you didn't even bother challenging my statements, but instead tried to insult me. And I said expert to a degree. Because that was the word you used to try and devalue me and my response. Even if I wasn't an 'expert', or uneducated, most anyone can see the poor quality. As others have said. I study animation among digital processing, computer graphics, and programming in general. You simply saying something is not true, does not make it so. You also have no way of proving I am not versed in the aforementioned subjects, whereas I do. And if I am a casual, what are you? I have more time watched and read. I watch multiple shows airing each season, participate in forum discussions, and write reviews. What do you do? Ask rhetorical questions and insult people. Also, what does being a casual have to with the quality of the show. Nothing. It's just a poor insult you try to use to invalidate others. Finally, animation is one of three aspects of an anime among audio and story. Hardly unimportant. Hardly weak. Especially when the show in question has no good story or audio. Please, do keep trying. Your poor attempts at insulting me only make me pity you and those forced to deal with you more. *Sigh* another meaningless rant lol stop crying dude, you seeking attention or something? You've lost all credibility, you keep proving my point here. You've got brainwashed by YouTubers, if you haven't know they're all casuals and you're casual among casuals unable to think for yourself, that's sad really, using "animation quality" as an argument lol try harder and the most hilarious was lying about being an animation expert just to justify your weak argument lmao I pity you so much right now I don't watch anime Youtubers. Again, you've ignored most of the response. But hey, keep trying. |
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Yautja said: TsundeReaper said: *Sigh* another meaningless rant lol stop crying dude, you seeking attention or something? You've lost all credibility, you keep proving my point here. You've got brainwashed by YouTubers, if you haven't know they're all casuals and you're casual among casuals unable to think for yourself, that's sad really, using "animation quality" as an argument lol try harder and the most hilarious was lying about being an animation expert just to justify your weak argument lmao I pity you so much right now I don't watch anime Youtubers. Again, you've ignored most of the response. But hey, keep trying. Stop crying dude, you're a clown no one will believe you here lol you've exposed yourself |
| I find the anime good though. I am now downloading the manga and gonna read it while on vacation. |
| @Yautja I'm surprised you still bother. He clearly isn't interested in discussion and just wanted people to approve his opinion. |
Terkhev said: @Yautja I'm surprised you still bother. He clearly isn't interested in discussion and just wanted people to approve his opinion. He couldn't argue objectively so ofc I won't be interested, and most importantly he's forcing his weak opinion on others like it's some "fact" and even lying about being an expert on animation to justify his weak argument lol I respect others opinions but if you're gonna write essays of essays that I already easily refuted and debunked then foh I have no time for attention seeking kid, but no, he's still trying to act smart and crying so hard in his rants with childish insults lol so yeah go ahead and defend the guy |
Terkhev said: @Yautja I'm surprised you still bother. He clearly isn't interested in discussion and just wanted people to approve his opinion. I'm not going to bother further, I just thought I'd adequately illustrate how much of a loon he is and how deep his issues run if he ever becomes an issue to me or anyone else in the future. |
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| As mentioned above, i dont like how the story started. I mean, a naive girl fall in love to a random police officer while he just doing his job. After she fucking ultimate friendzoned her good boy childhood friend ? And the police officer act like he dont have a life beside caring the random victim he just meet. And from my perspective, they meet because 100% unintentional. No plan afterward to the story for this fateful encounter. If you wanted to see reasonable and planned encounter romance story, try Kyoukai no Kanata, its not that good on world building, but i personally satisfied of how the story planned and moving to the end. |
 MAL score and most user-based rating system are all joke, Imagine trusting plebs and hivemind. Find users who have good sense and rating and use them as a reference. Check my guide to rate Your taste is trash. Cope, seethe, mald |
| It's genuinely the worst anime I've ever seen |
evoniee said: As mentioned above, i dont like how the story started. I mean, a naive girl fall in love to a random police officer while he just doing his job. After she fucking ultimate friendzoned her good boy childhood friend ? And the police officer act like he dont have a life beside caring the random victim he just meet. And from my perspective, they meet because 100% unintentional. No plan afterward to the story for this fateful encounter. If you wanted to see reasonable and planned encounter romance story, try Kyoukai no Kanata, its not that good on world building, but i personally satisfied of how the story planned and moving to the end. I wouldn't call it random or them random or a random police or a random victim at least their romantic build up isn't random, she had her interest in him for a while now coz she keeps seeing him in the train and other places like a stalker, and as explained by Anzai, he's investigating her friend so she's a possible would be victim. And this "good boy" friend of hers who killed and raped girls deserves it tbfh and how can you blame her? She's not yet interested in love as hinted by her girl friends, so she only liked him as a friend nothing more plain and simple, and she ended it as fast as possible for him unlike other characters who would have dragged it, those are the real naive girls, Tsukasa is hardly a naive person. You'll understand why Anzai acts like that once you've fallen in love to someone All fateful encounters are always random but generic romance has no romantic build up while Tsukasa and Anzai has a romantic build up Anyways imo Unintentional encounter/fateful encounter > planned encounter Fateful encounters are basically the epitome of romance, ofc planned encounters is nice once in a while (if it works) but they hardly ever works and kind of forced bcoz of something like plot requires it or simply for the sake of it and bcoz it's rare and kind of a try hard only for the sake of being a little bit different I've seen KnK, I HATE the romance there, it's like Subaru meeting Emilia and falling in love with her within 3 seconds of their meeting while being cringey af and mostly bcoz planned encounter is just really a bad combination for a romance I'm sorry but that's just how I see it, but I respect your opinion |
LairucremMay 8, 2018 1:33 AM
Yautja said: Octopusball said: Wow, okay. I'm sorry I can't sit here and respond to the entirety of your message, but I'm deciding at this point that I'm done with this conversation. Not to come off rude but my limited vocabulary can't better express that you're some robotic existence that can't think outside of the logical box of textbook science. It's sad because you probably won't ever really understand what I mean, but I'm also partly to blame for not being able to express it in a way you'd get it. There are just too many people who are as uninspired as that and you're just another. It's just so nice to not have to think so earnestly human, I suppose. My bad for trying to learn and engage something like that, yikes. It's okay though, this is the internet and we don't know each other–much less need to care. I'm leaving for the sake of my sanity. Feel free to respond but I won't be replying from here on forth. I'm sure you'd probably want to have the last say anyway. (⁶ੌ௰⁶ੌ๑) Oh, and thanks for the coding tip! Have a good one. It's sad that using reason qualifies someone as a robotic existence who doesn't use emotion to you. I clearly accepted that emotions are valid, not all things conform to logic and are free to be as they please, but they do not change facts or logic. I don't mind that you like the show. But I will say that you're wrong when you say the show is good without providing evidence to support that. When discussing and evaluating anything, logic will be present. If there was no logic, reason or base for anything, everything would be random and nonsensical. Also known as insanity or chaos. If you are unhappy with that, perhaps you should speak to others and gain what they see from that thinking and this conversation. Think on it yourself, why people like me are like why we are, or talk to a psychiatrist, who most certainly would have interesting views on this sort of thing. Or anyone you think may provide good feedback. I perfectly understand what you mean in every response you've made to me, but I am saying you're generally wrong in most of the statements of those responses. I have detailed why I believe that, and have provided support to that but you have elected to ignore it by not reading it. Being logical and having different views that do not align with your own does not make someone uninspired, but different. Again, you fail to provide any reasoning, support or evidence for your statements. You did no wrong trying to engage, but you, like OP, were not trying to learn anything. You were trying to argue your opinion and I was trying to argue mine. You've decided to leave, and that's fine. Also, you earlier said that I was being defensive or trying to provoke you, but now the shoe is on the other foot. You're playing the victim to a person who has not done anything against you, or insulted you, but has challenged your statements and beliefs. I'm not responding because I want the last word, but because I have something to say. If you made a response I didn't have anything to say to, I wouldn't. Having the last word in a conversation like this is largely irrelevant, and I thought I made it abundantly clear I could not care less for such a childish and pointless sentiment. You don't seem to realize that you don't even input opinion at all. You just point out things and apply your logic to it to make it seems like it's a fact. While the only justification you give is that you're an expert. In other word you say: Dude, trust me. It's sad because you won't accept other's opinion for the only reason that they didn't apply to your logic. And you even brought perception as it could prove something objectively. You barely even make sense yourself. One other thing. Just because someone doesn't provide reasoning to his claim doesn't mean he fail to prove his stances. We're on a forum about anime, not in a courthouse. There's no obligation for anyone to write an essay each time someone want to express his opinion. Not everyone is interested to demonstrate each abstract concept of a show just for bringing some sort of justification of an opinion. Justification that are, and I really need to say that, are just as much subjective than the opinion itself. You better just accommodate to that or you should leave because your long-ass rant is mostly annoying and arrogant rather than contributing to the thread. People like you should know where your place is. |
Hrybami said: Yautja said: It's sad that using reason qualifies someone as a robotic existence who doesn't use emotion to you. I clearly accepted that emotions are valid, not all things conform to logic and are free to be as they please, but they do not change facts or logic. I don't mind that you like the show. But I will say that you're wrong when you say the show is good without providing evidence to support that. When discussing and evaluating anything, logic will be present. If there was no logic, reason or base for anything, everything would be random and nonsensical. Also known as insanity or chaos. If you are unhappy with that, perhaps you should speak to others and gain what they see from that thinking and this conversation. Think on it yourself, why people like me are like why we are, or talk to a psychiatrist, who most certainly would have interesting views on this sort of thing. Or anyone you think may provide good feedback. I perfectly understand what you mean in every response you've made to me, but I am saying you're generally wrong in most of the statements of those responses. I have detailed why I believe that, and have provided support to that but you have elected to ignore it by not reading it. Being logical and having different views that do not align with your own does not make someone uninspired, but different. Again, you fail to provide any reasoning, support or evidence for your statements. You did no wrong trying to engage, but you, like OP, were not trying to learn anything. You were trying to argue your opinion and I was trying to argue mine. You've decided to leave, and that's fine. Also, you earlier said that I was being defensive or trying to provoke you, but now the shoe is on the other foot. You're playing the victim to a person who has not done anything against you, or insulted you, but has challenged your statements and beliefs. I'm not responding because I want the last word, but because I have something to say. If you made a response I didn't have anything to say to, I wouldn't. Having the last word in a conversation like this is largely irrelevant, and I thought I made it abundantly clear I could not care less for such a childish and pointless sentiment. You don't seem to realize that you don't even input opinion at all. You just point out things and apply your logic to it to make it seems like it's a fact. While the only justification you give is that you're an expert. In other word you say: Dude, trust me. It's sad because you won't accept other's opinion for the only reason that they didn't apply to your logic. And you even brought perception as it could prove something objectively. You barely even make sense yourself. One other thing. Just because someone doesn't provide reasoning to his claim doesn't mean he fail to prove his stances. We're on a forum about anime, not in a courthouse. There's no obligation for anyone to write an essay each time someone want to express his opinion. Not everyone is interested to demonstrate each abstract concept of a show just for bringing some sort of justification of an opinion. Justification that are, and I really need to say that, are just as much subjective than the opinion itself. You better just accommodate to that or you should leave because your long-ass rant is mostly annoying and arrogant rather than contributing to the thread. People like you should know where your place is. Except I do and I have. My opinion is everywhere if you bothered to actually read what I said. It's annoying to have to reiterate every point I've made because someone doesn't care enough to read the entire conversation before making an informed comment. But, since I'm bothering to spend my time responding, I'll do so properly. My opinion. I do not like the show. The show is bad. I think the romance is poorly done, the attraction between the two was haphazard. It came out of no where. The story is unoriginal. The entirety that this show can be broken down to is Hot dangerous guy tries to overcome his dangerous nature for shy beautiful girl. The facts. The animation is bad. There is no arguing this. Look at the fight scenes. Look at the background characters. It's colored very flatly, meaning that torso, face, pants, hair are all mono colored. There is no shading, no mixing. It also stutters and jumps around. The animation is of a decent quality only during very simple slow scenes. That is because this requires less effort to make such scenes high quality as the changes are minimal changes as compared to a fight scene which are very dynamic and change a lot. The side characters also lack attention. Look at the bartender's mouth during the latest episode. It's awful. Look at the attacking vampire's animation. The Voice Acting is bad. The background characters are all very monotonous, and again during scenes which require emotion or realism it falls short. The fight scenes or pain scenes sound forced and poorly done. Such as when Anzai is suffering or a random Vamp is attacking. Regular speaking scenes are pretty regular, but scenes which require effort are not. The story is not special. No matter how you look at it. I cannot find one aspect that seems completely original or well done. The main girl fell in love with a guy who she met once or twice who randomly shows up on her balcony and attacked her. This is not likely, and does not provide a reason. Just that she did. The only possible reason is that he saved her from being raped and murdered by her serial killer rapist friend. The only problem with that is he subsequently attacked her. The story's template is common. Beauty and the Beast. Vampire and Girl. So far, there is no bigger plot than their relationship. As such, as things stand, the story is not special, it is not original. It is not high quality. Yes, that's exactly what it means. Someone can say they believe something, or that something is true. That's fine, but if he doesn't provide reasoning or facts to back that, he did not prove it, only that he believes it. I'm not going to believe it. I'm not saying people have to do this in all situations. But if they want me or others to believe something as truth they do, they have to provide reasons and facts. I'm not going to blindly believe something I'm not given adequate reason or support to believe. It's not about demonstrating abstract concepts, it's about properly expressing and vocalizing your opinions, and backing them with reason and facts. If you don't do this fine. But failing to do so results in them failing to achieve their purpose. Finally, justifications, are not subjective if done properly. To justify something is to provide reasoning or prove correctness. If it is done properly it is accepted. Justifications that one does not agree with but must be accepted exist. An easy example would be the US election. The popular vote vs the electoral vote. If a someone wins the popular vote but not the electoral, even though they are the most voted for, they are not president due to the system set in place. That is a justification. Not your poor attempt at misrepresenting my arguments by lying and saying my only justification is my education. You see, you confuse rant with explanation. Addressing every aspect of a persons statement and properly forming your own is scarcely short. A rant is also done by someone angry or passionate. I don't think you've been reading properly if you interpret my responses as rants. I've not been "shouting" as much as one can via text, excessively swearing, name calling, insulting or doing other such common things in rants as you or most of the people I've been responding to. Also, if you want 'proof' of my schooling or 'expertise', which is a word I used to mock a poor attempt at disregarding my statements similar to yours, I'd be happy to answer any questions or provide my location of schooling, and courses. There is nothing more arrogant than telling a person to know their place, so instead I'll tell you to actually give me a reason to believe anything you said, and then I'll care. |
YautjaMay 8, 2018 6:14 PM
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| You guys discussed so much.. but I just wanted to say that I love the manga and the anime is great, but people give it low scores because of the budget. |
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| i can see why people can hate it its not that hard to understand but i personally LOVE IT its really fun to watch and probably first romance anime i can enjoy. |
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mcrta_weeb said: It's genuinely the worst anime I've ever seen BOI if u call this worst then you haven't watched any anime...this is no where near to being worst anime. Comment again after u watch at least 200 series. |
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ItzYaBoiSatan said: Well I can still give my opinion so this is the worst I've seen so far and you can't really say that tbh because you said you like the show so obviously you're gonna disagree with memcrta_weeb said: It's genuinely the worst anime I've ever seen BOI if u call this worst then you haven't watched any anime...this is no where near to being worst anime. Comment again after u watch at least 200 series. |
mcrta_weeb said: ItzYaBoiSatan said: Well I can still give my opinion so this is the worst I've seen so far and you can't really say that tbh because you said you like the show so obviously you're gonna disagree with meBOI if u call this worst then you haven't watched any anime...this is no where near to being worst anime. Comment again after u watch at least 200 series. oh wow a genius... |
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ItzYaBoiSatan said: oh wow someone being salty because someone else dares to hate the anime they love, tragicmcrta_weeb said: Well I can still give my opinion so this is the worst I've seen so far and you can't really say that tbh because you said you like the show so obviously you're gonna disagree with me oh wow a genius... |
mcrta_weeb said: oh wow someone being salty because someone else dares to hate the anime they love, tragic wow u just get smarter and smarter |
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ItzYaBoiSatan said: get a life please or respond something better if you have to respondmcrta_weeb said: oh wow someone being salty because someone else dares to hate the anime they love, tragic wow u just get smarter and smarter |
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